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FONDL
12-21-2005, 06:28 PM
I'm of the opinion that with declining business in many areas, an increasing number of dancers, and rising house fees, that one of the fastest growing segments of the adult entertainment industry will be one-on-one private dancing parties. I'm not talking about full-service escorting, I'm talking about doing what you now do in the VIP room but doing it somewhere else privately with a customer who you may already know. It costs him less and you make more. Anyone doing this? Do you see this happening? What do you think? No question there will be problems, but I think it's happening more and more.

Yekhefah
12-21-2005, 06:38 PM
I wouldn't do it. Doesn't sound safe enough to me, and too much potential to get mixed up with escorting. When you show up and he thinks he's going to get laid, and there are no bouncers, things could get pretty ugly.

ctstriptease1
12-21-2005, 07:13 PM
I operate a stripper agency in Connecticut: http://www.ct-striptease.com

I own an agency and I wouldn't send a female dancer for a "private one-on-one". "One-on-One" is too closely associated with escorting and prostituiton; however, I will arrange for male dancers to do private one-on-ones. Who else would be calling for a guy to come over and entertain them ... other guys!

Candy Apple
12-21-2005, 07:20 PM
I won't do them either. I've been asked about it but there's too much that can go wrong.

cinammonkisses
12-21-2005, 09:32 PM
It costs him less and you make more. Anyone doing this? Do you see this happening? What do you think? No question there will be problems, but I think it's happening more and more.

Uh hemm *clears throat*

Before I started working in a club, I private danced for about 5months. You're right there is a risk involved, but what job in the adult industry isn't? Private shows do for the most part tend to cost less than VIPs in a strip club. I have found that shy guys or out of state business men tend to frequent private shows more. Face it, some men do like to be in the company of beautiful women. It's just that some don't like to be so out and "open" about it. They'd rather you come out to see them, and have a nice encounter rather be in a smoke filled club with 18yr old boys.

Yekhefah: You have just as high a chance at getting mixed up in escorting as you do in working at a club. I've actually had more men in the club try soliciting me for acts then when I would go do a private show.


When you show up and he thinks he's going to get laid, and there are no bouncers, things could get pretty ugly.

The best way to avoid a bad situation like this from happening is to be up front with the custy.At the agency I worked for, there were girls who would go out to a show after a man SPECIFICALLY said he wanted to have ______. All the dancer would say to our phone guy is "oh, I'm just gonna bs and dance with him. By the time he gets down to thinking about sex, the show will be over" This is BAD news!! I've always been upfront and honest with my customers as to what the show will entail. I discuss what will go on in the show. When I arrive, I receive money upfront. I let them know that there is no touching what so ever. I DO NOT perform lapdances in a 1 on 1 show (unless there is another dancer present)

Sure, I've had customers telling me over the phone that I am just not what they were looking for, that in fact they were looking for sex. Hey, at least I was honest. I could've made a situation turn really bad had I went along with his sexual fantasies.

Private dancing is not for everyone. Just like dancers at a club have bad nights, so do private dancers. You don't get a show unless the phone rings. Then you also have men who have specific preferences as to what he will/will not spend his money on.

cinammonkisses
12-21-2005, 09:35 PM
I won't do them either. I've been asked about it but there's too much that can go wrong.

Oh, and that reminds me. It's best to have security present. If there is a show with 2+ males, then it's MANDATORY that my bouncer is going inside with me. I also make sure that I call my agency upon arrival to a show to let them know I have arrived, that I have collected money, and I give the address, and room # once again. I do this ALL IN FRONT of the customer so that they know there is no way he's doing anything to me without getting caught.

Yekhefah
12-21-2005, 09:47 PM
Cinnamon, thank you for that. I found it very enlightening and I appreciate the correction.

I *personally* wouldn't feel comfortable with it, but I'm overly paranoid sometimes. :)

Lena
12-21-2005, 09:50 PM
I have been, but mostly only for submissive men. When I know what they really want is to lick my feet/be walked on/be hypnotised/smell my ass then I feel pretty safe.

smartcookie
12-21-2005, 11:39 PM
I'm of the opinion that with declining business in many areas, an increasing number of dancers, and rising house fees, that one of the fastest growing segments of the adult entertainment industry will be one-on-one private dancing parties. I'm not talking about full-service escorting, I'm talking about doing what you now do in the VIP room but doing it somewhere else privately with a customer who you may already know. It costs him less and you make more. Anyone doing this? Do you see this happening? What do you think? No question there will be problems, but I think it's happening more and more.

No. This sort of scenario has existed for years; it's known as a Private Viewing or PV for short. Men who go to SCs go for a reason: they like the bells and whistles that come with VIP, and they like the variety in the selection process. Some also enjoy the thrill of being caught.

Katrine
12-22-2005, 12:19 AM
I'm of the opinion that with declining business in many areas, an increasing number of dancers, and rising house fees, that one of the fastest growing segments of the adult entertainment industry will be one-on-one private dancing parties. I'm talking about doing what you now do in the VIP room but doing it somewhere else privately with a customer who you may already know. It costs him less and you make more.

I think you're more concerned about the "costs him less" and being able to be "the man" who gets the most bang for his buck without her seeing the influence of other dancers around her actually hustling and making money......

With the rare exception, "one on one" private dancing without the extras isn't going to be lucrative except for with long-time trusted regulars and adequate security.

thechaosfairy
12-22-2005, 02:38 AM
Cinnamon: You've made money doing 1-on-1 shows without doing full contact dances? Wow, cool! That gives me some hope for my own notions of striking it rich. I am willing to do light contact, but the whole grinding thing just "rubs me the wrong way" . . . LOL.

Lena
12-22-2005, 08:24 AM
Chaos, Cinnamon lives in a conservative area where there are basically no stripclubs without a lot of driving. It's a much different market than Portland. JMO, of course

cinammonkisses
12-22-2005, 09:30 AM
ahah yea I was trained to never do lapdances alone because of the risk involved. But if there is me and another dancer then yea', I'll give lapdances. Not a full fledged grind on lol but yea they'll enjoy it.

When you private dance, you have to be more sensual. I think that is why I'm doing so well in the strip clubs now. I actually look my custy in the eyes while I dance. I'm also more fluid in my movements...more eyecontact and touching over my body. Most dancers here I notice are just looking around in space while they dance.

Pamela
12-24-2005, 11:33 AM
I'm of the opinion that with declining business in many areas, an increasing number of dancers, and rising house fees, that one of the fastest growing segments of the adult entertainment industry will be one-on-one private dancing parties. I'm not talking about full-service escorting, I'm talking about doing what you now do in the VIP room but doing it somewhere else privately with a customer who you may already know. It costs him less and you make more. Anyone doing this? Do you see this happening? What do you think? No question there will be problems, but I think it's happening more and more.

Your right! I started out just doing a strip and ld's at my private parties. Made all the money...but then learned i could earn more $$$ doing shows along with a strip and dance. It's damn good money imo!!!!

Pamela

Heaven
12-26-2005, 07:33 PM
I did a one-on-one for a millionaire regular that I had. He was a perfect gentleman and very respectful so I felt really safe and comfortable.

Before I went he already knew he wasn't getting any. We discussed exactly what was acceptable and what wasn't (him touching me, kissing me, or exposing himself). I made about $800 for 1 1/2 hours of talking, laps, and no extras.

He was really sweet, but unfortunately we lost touch when I moved. :(

It's definitely not something that I reccommend for just anybody or everybody. I knew my reg for over a year and I had a lot of his personal information.

Ultimately, I trusted my instincts and everything worked out great. But I'm not naive to the fact that things can go wrong. I do think that going through an agency with either security and/or a buddy system is the best way to go.

RS
12-27-2005, 12:06 AM
you should all be carrying pepper spray wherever you go... works better than anything else!

FONDL
12-27-2005, 11:22 AM
The main reason that I posted this thread is because the number of girls advertising services variously called private viewing, body rub, or erotic massage, depending where you are, seems to be increasing. Some are independent, some work for agencies that specialize in these services, and a lot of these girls claim to be ex-dancers, which may or may not be true. I think it's both a cause and an effect of declining strip club business. I think a lot of guys are asking themselves, why should I pay $300 plus for a half hour in a VIP room when for $200 I can spend an hour with a girl privately? I think a lot of strip clubs are pricing themselves out of the market. My most recent favorite club lost me for exactly that reason. Just an observation but I expect to see more SC customers going the private route in the future.

yoda57us
12-27-2005, 12:32 PM
I'm seeing more adds for private dancing services as well around Boston. I haven't and probably wouldn't answer an add since I'm fairly skeptical. I have a dancer friend who has accepted a couple of offers for private viewing and both times she was pressured for sex so she stopped doing it. In a perfect world it seems like a great concept but I still think a dancer with good hustle can make a lot more on a shift in a busy club then she can sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring.

BTW FONDL, Body Rubs and Erotic Massage both involve, at minimum, a hand release. I don't have a probelm with that (duh!) but it's a far cry from private viewing.

RS
12-27-2005, 11:44 PM
is this really becoming common... the private dance thing? I've never heard of such a thing... anybody doing this in Portland (for any of you pdx folks)?

1.) I think that'd be awkward for the dancer since you're kind of stuck with one guy that could turn out to be a sketcho character...
2.) would be super high pressure for customer... kind of hard to turn down more dances when you've solicited the services of this one individual...

hmm... the whole thing seems weird... who provides the music? where does this take place? seems like all the same variables as hiring an escort without the sex part... bizarre...

yoda57us
12-28-2005, 08:51 AM
hmm... the whole thing seems weird... who provides the music? where does this take place? seems like all the same variables as hiring an escort without the sex part... bizarre...

Bingo! And most guys who read the adds assume that, for extra money, sex will be available-even if it's not. What really cracks me up is the adds that I do see are all priced outrageously. Women won't post a picture trying to get $200-$300 an hour for private viewing. Even if they wdo post a picture it's a good chance it won't be a picture of the girl who answers the door when you get there. In a club you get to pick your poison and negotiate what's going to happen-if that's your thing-before you pony-up the cash.

As I said before, the concept is interesting, I could even see doing it with a dancer I already knew from a club, but there are too many risks involved for the possible pay-off. On both sides if you ask me.

FONDL
12-28-2005, 09:59 AM
RS, the term "dancing" is a euphemism, typically little or no dancing occurs, it's often more of a mutual massage. And Yoda is correct, there are usually some sort of "extras" involved. But it's not really all that different from what's happening in an increasing number of clubs. More and more clubs have been adding private VIP rooms to increase their income. And when they do, two things often follow: higher prices and more contact, often including extras. From there it's a pretty small step to move into private "dancing."

As for where it takes place, it operates much like the escort business does except that there's usually no "full service." And Yoda is correct about the customer risks involved, but those can be minumized by dealing with girls or agencies who have a lot of good reviews and good reputations. I've known several dancers who have taken this path and done very well (and their real photos are prominantly displayed on various web sites.) As clubs keep raising prices, moving upscale, and increasing their dancer fees, I think it will become more common. A lot of dancers are being squeezed by what's happening in many clubs. Some of them will react by going private.

yoda57us
12-28-2005, 11:59 AM
FONDL: The way you are painting the picture here it looks like you are talking about escorting-call it whatever you want but that's what it sounds like to me. I have no problem with that but I beleive that most dancers will. Most dancers don't want to be escorts. Most dancers don't do extra's. The problem with the whole concept is that, once human nature get's involved, men will expect more than dances and women will feel pressure to deliver. That's OK if that's what both parties want but I think you will find the vast majority or dancers will prefer staying in a club with the associated conveniences and protections that apply. BTW, those agency girls with thier pictures on the websites, they are not keeping all of the money that they earn doing private shows either.

FONDL
12-28-2005, 01:38 PM
Yoda, I agree that the vast majority of dancers have no interest in either private dancing or providing extras in their clubs, and that private agencies take a big cut. And I dont care what you call them, they're called different things depending on what services they provide and where they are located. The only points I'm trying to make are that it seems to me the number of girls who are becoming interested in providing private erotic entertainment of all kinds is growing. In fact the existance of this new board is probably an indication of that. And I also think that rising prices, increasing extras and declining business in clubs are all factors that are helping to generate this increased interest for both dancers and customers. BTW, haven't you and I had this discussion elsewhere?

RS
12-28-2005, 11:14 PM
the lines are so blurry (or I'm just ignorant)... in addition to exotic dancers and escorts there are all these gray areas... hmm...

anyone care to list all the different erotic dance formats? or should that be reserved for its own thread?
I'm thinking for clarity's sake... first of all you've got this weird private dance thing discussed in this thread... you've also got VIP dancing at a club... then I've recently come to learn about clubs here in portland that have private "suites" where the men pleasure themselves... then of course there are the peep shows...
hmm... lots of different flavors... makes my head hurt. ;)

Lena
12-29-2005, 07:37 AM
is this really becoming common... the private dance thing? I've never heard of such a thing... anybody doing this in Portland (for any of you pdx folks)?


I believe thechaosfairy is doing shows in Portland (kinky, intellectual shows even!) and ParisLove travels but is sometimes available in Portland.

FONDL
12-29-2005, 11:49 AM
RS, there is a very broad variety of customer desires out there. And it's safe to say that whatever the desire there's bound to be someone willing to satisfy it for the right price. The internet has made it easier for them to find each other, which is one of the reasons this business is growing.

GoldCoastGirl
12-29-2005, 07:54 PM
With private dancing there is the one-on-one kind however that does not seem common in my area as the most common kind of private dancing is reserved for parties/functions/groups. Then with this type of dancing you have GString, Nude, Nude with Open Leg (explicit) and start to go into XXX (which typically involves insertion of something into the pussy) with 'natural masturbation' (no toys, just fingers), toy (dildos) and frut-n-vege (using various fruits and vegetables) shows.

As for strip clubs, there are usually two types here in Australia:
Those with a brothel license can have the more explicit shows on stage and offer more out the back like a show where the guy is allowed to 'wack it out' so he can release himself but no actual sexual intercourse or hand relief or such like.
Those without a brothel license (cabaret liquor license) which is like the majority of strip clubs in most cities here (aka 'adult nightclubs').

In the end, personally, I prefer private PARTY dancing not one-on-one as that is too close to escorting for my tastes.

RS
12-30-2005, 12:53 AM
if i were a girl in this business, the private party dancing would sketch me out... anyone see requiem for a dream? ugh...

FONDL
12-30-2005, 10:39 AM
I wouldn't be interested either and I don't think most dancers are likely to be. But we all know that there are girls out there who are already doing essentially the same things in their clubs. For some it's probably an attractive option worth considering. It's sorta like halfway between dancing and escorting with a little massage parlor element thrown in. Definately not for the vast majority of dancers (or customers either for that matter) and yet it seems to be growing in popularity in some areas. It's become quite common in the DC area for example. And I often wonder if that isn't partly because of the strict club rules in the area.

yoda57us
12-30-2005, 07:06 PM
FONDL: It seems like we agree on what is going on out there but we are each calling it something different. Yes, girls are offering FBSM and yes some dancers are turning to FBSM and out and out escorting. My contention is that, in the vast majority of cases we are talking about ex-dancers who turn to escorting or other sexual sevices. To me, that has nothing to do with performing ITC dances in an OTC environment. I'm a customer of both strip clubs and many of the services you are talking about. There isn't really any comparison beyond the woman being naked most of the time.

FONDL
12-31-2005, 09:30 AM
Yoda, the commonality is that they are all different forms of adult entertainment that compete with each other. My contention is that there used to be distinct price breaks: strip clubs are cheaper than bodyrubs/PV are cheaper than full-service escorts. Similarly with contact levels: strip clubs allow less contact than bodyrubs/PV which allow less contact than FS escorts. But as strip clubs have become more expensive and allow more contact, those distinctions are becoming blurred, which benefits the latter two forms of entertainment and hurts SC's. And that is putting a lot of pressure on dancers and makes it harder for a "clean" dancer to earn a good living. I think many SC's are making a big mistake by giving up their low-cost advantage because they can never provide the levels of contact that the other two groups routinely do.

Paris
12-31-2005, 03:22 PM
The main reason that I posted this thread is because the number of girls advertising services variously called private viewing, body rub, or erotic massage, depending where you are, seems to be increasing. Some are independent, some work for agencies that specialize in these services, and a lot of these girls claim to be ex-dancers, which may or may not be true.

I don't know about in your area but in Oregon there is no money to prosecute low level misdemeanor crimes (like solicitation). The only time it is even persued is when a complaint is filed, and who is going to complain about an add in the yellow pages or a weblink on a porno site? The hookers are off the street, and sensual rub downs and masturbation shows are easily availble. Now, actual FS is a little harder to come by.

Or, like in my case, I get fed up with paying high fees and high tip outs to the club w/o any guarentee of earning money while I'm working. Obviously, I enjoy club dancing or I wouldn't do it, but having a party to go to insead of working a club is definately my preference. I have never done a one-on-one show, but I have gone with a girlfriend and danced for two guys.

I have tried to set up one-on-one shows with out an agent. I tried 4 times while at the club. All four times when my driver and I arrived at the house/motel there was no answer at the door. I gave up after that. I guess if I could find an agency that I could trust, I would feel okay with it, but really most of them in the area are just kind of sleezy, and send their drives to make sure they get their "cut" more then for the protection of the dancer.

Gosh it is easy enough to become a credit card merchant, and realitively inexpensive with web software for processing cards. Any agency that can't do at least that is probably ne to be avioded.

sexy_celeste
01-01-2006, 12:10 AM
As for strip clubs, there are usually two types here in Australia:
Those with a brothel license can have the more explicit shows on stage and offer more out the back like a show where the guy is allowed to 'wack it out' so he can release himself but no actual sexual intercourse or hand relief or such like.
Those without a brothel license (cabaret liquor license) which is like the majority of strip clubs in most cities here (aka 'adult nightclubs').

In the end, personally, I prefer private PARTY dancing not one-on-one as that is too close to escorting for my tastes.

I always thought that it was only AFTER any contact that you needed a brothel licence??
Or maybe thats just WA - we do stuff weirdly over here!

FONDL
01-01-2006, 09:27 AM
Paris, what I find amusing is that in some states they don't care what acts the girls are performing if you're unlicensed but if they call it "massage" without a license they'll be fined.

The other thing I find interesting is that we all have different standards of behavior that often make no sense to anyone else. There are a lot of dancers out there who would never do what the massage girls do. But guess what, I'm sure there are massage girls who would never do what dancers do. Weird.

There are several agencies in the DC area that were started by massage girls, and some of those girls still have their own clients in addition to running the agency. Since customers sometimes want 2 girls, the independents often recruit other girls, and next thing they know they've got an agency. Then they go out and rent an apartment. And some of these groups are remarkably stable - the same girls have been there for years. Obviously some girls enjoy the money and the work. And doing it that way probably makes it a lot safer, because there's always someone else in the apartment.

yoda57us
01-02-2006, 04:43 PM
The other thing I find interesting is that we all have different standards of behavior that often make no sense to anyone else. There are a lot of dancers out there who would never do what the massage girls do. But guess what, I'm sure there are massage girls who would never do what dancers do. Weird.

FONDL: You're absolutely right but it's not wierd at all, just a matter of the woman's personal preferences and comfort zones. I've known dancers who had no problem getting naked in front a roomfull of men but would never dream about escorting-no surprise since it's an awfuly big jump from dancing naked vs. having sex with a strange man. On the other hand, I've known some absolutely gorgeous escorts who never danced and never would. They say they could never get up in front of a room full of strange men and get naked. They have no problem with a one on one sex act however. It's just a matter of what works for you.

Obviously there are women who are comfrotable with both as well.

ksalerio
01-11-2006, 05:49 AM
^^^^Hey i noticed you wrote basically the same thing in every thread, maybe start your own thread with these websites :)

cinammonkisses
01-11-2006, 08:15 AM
^^ LOL hey I was just thinking the same thing.

xoxoGracexoxo
01-11-2006, 09:57 AM
To the gentlemen who patronize both clubs and escorts: when you can get full sex with an escort, often for less than you would pay for dances, drinks, cover, tips ITC, why do you keep going to clubs where you (normally) can't have sex with the dancer? Or do you find dancers that you can have sex with?

Please note: this is not a rhetorical question, and I don't ask it a snide or spiteful way. I have no problem with escorting, or any other facet of the sex industry. I just really want to know what it is dancers offer you that escorts don't, so I can do my job better. Thanks!

xoxoGracexoxo
01-11-2006, 10:01 AM
^^^Well, I don't want to hijack the thread. I'll post another in the "Customer Conversation" forum. But please do respond. I'd love to hear your answers.

Tigress
01-11-2006, 10:52 AM
I have just had a dilemma that has quite a bit to do with this exact topic!
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60197
I am a dancer and I have expanded from the club to doing private shows for my customers.
I just had one the past Friday which I describe in my thread. Where I had sex with the customer.
I offer private dancing and recently a toy show and also will do girl girl.

FONDL
01-11-2006, 11:13 AM
Grace, it's my thread and you have my permission to hijack it since you're question is directly related and it's a good question. I think a lot of customers are asking themselves that same question, and I think that's one reason that ono-on-one's (with or without full service) are growing and strip club customers are declining - too many strip clubs are pricing themselves out of the market. But there are also a lot of SC customers who aren't looking for sex, they enjoy what the SC has to offer and are happy with that. Just like every dancer is different, so is every customer, and some will always prefer the SC experience.

birdguya
01-11-2006, 06:20 PM
Where I liveI can see a escort for $$ to$$50 . Which is cheaper than going to a SC. Also the escorts are great looking, so are the strippers. Both are fantasys, both have there good points, bad points. But both enjoyable.

GoldCoastGirl
01-13-2006, 06:24 AM
So, in the end, is the argument that there is a niche for strippers to do private one-on-one shows with no sex promised nor given ??? It has me intrigued at the very least esp. in regards to fetish customers who wouldn't be able to satisfy thier fetish within a strip club (nor have the nerve to visit a strip club).

ie doing a show for a foot fetish customer where you would allow him to suck your toes and what-not but never have sex with him.

Whilst it has me intrigued at this moment... I still don't feel like I would ever be able to offer something like it.

sarahdancesinchica
01-13-2006, 04:46 PM
I haven't visited this site in a little while due to going on a short work hiatus due to the holidays and a vacation. So my apologies for entering this discussion so late.

As far as the topic at hand goes, there is a market for one on one shows, they can be profitable, but of course there is a problem and that's that once you do your dance (be it themed or whaever) then give a lap dance there isn't much else for you to do and your customer becomes bored and the situation becomes awkward. I generally try to avoid one on one appointments unless it's really slow, if I do take them I explain ahead of time that due to the nature of the appointment it will not be any longer than a half hour.

Etoileslair
01-24-2006, 09:02 AM
FONDL

I actually just stopped working for an agency that did one-on-one and offered various other sexual acts in the DC area, including FS. We had an apartment setup, like you described. And there were girls who just did massage and dance, but our "boss ladies" as we called them were every bit as bad as some sketcho SCs in that they were constantly pressuring the girls to do more so they could make more money. And often, the money wasn't much better than what one would earn stripping, as about half of it went to the agency.

As long as you're seeing escorts and other ladies who offer erotic services, see the independents- they've got a lot more job satisfaction and you'll know that they aren't turning around and giving someone else half of what you paid them.