View Full Version : Asking what his job is?
AlexxaHex
02-23-2007, 09:00 PM
I am still not seeing signs of a scam from either of the dancers as I go back and read your post. Neither one has handled your money or delivered a service so there is no way you are being cheated out of anything.
How is asking where you are from or discussing a trip the VIP cheating you out of your money?
I am seriously baffled.
Bridgette
02-23-2007, 10:54 PM
Some guys are just oversensitive and defensive. Always thinking the strippers are trying to scam them. So almost anything we say or do can be construed as an effort to scam them, in these guys' heads ::)
I NEVER ask a guy about work at all. I think it's a bad idea. They are not there to talk about work, they are there to have FUN.
I will ask where they're from and what they're doing in town if they're from elsewhere - most guys seem fine with that. If they say they're here for business/work I'll respond with something like "well I hope you're not HERE for business, cuz I just wanna play". If they are from here / live here then I go into something like "ooooh a rare NATIVE!" or something fun about their native city. I like to keep it light, fun and simple. Whatever the case, I try to make them laugh within the first 30 seconds of my approach. It puts them in the right frame of mind and makes them think I am a really fun girl. Because I am! ;D Guys always like to hang out with a fun girl ;)
Avoid any topic that is too serious. If the convo does get into something too serious, I will talk briefly if the guy seems very interested in it and listen to what he has to say for 1-2 exchanges, then after stating my opinion on the subject say something like, "ok enough of all this ___ talk, I'm quite sure you didn't come here to talk about that!" and giggle mischievously. It's a good way to transition back to T&A and asking for a dance.
Chrissy68
02-23-2007, 11:09 PM
GuyPOV if we approach you at step 7, we don't KNOW that you have been through all the "bull" that you have been through, so cut the ladies approaching you some slack. it's not their fault that the waitresses charge you more/less and that the cabbie got paid for bringing you in. And honestly, no one asking where are you from is trying to scam you (or maybe 1 out of 100, small percentage) they are just trying to make conversation. eh well. another lost soul on sw.
Bridgette
02-24-2007, 12:36 AM
^Agreed. Maybe you guys should practice NOT applying your negative feelings about what someone else did to someone who just walked up.
I personally don't mind being asked about my job. I'm not there trying to impress them or anything and it is mostly just something to "break the ice" and to just have something to talk about.
Jenny
02-26-2007, 11:16 AM
I ask customers all time what they do, and if they are local. Nothing to do with scamming or even determining their spending potential (because I know perfectly well that mere possession of money doesn't equal giving it to me, and any money that the guy has that he isn't giving me exists in a sheerly theoretical space that has nothing to do with me), but just something to talk about. It's small talk, and it sometimes reveals something that they might know about, that I don't (so they get to feel superior - guys like that. Like if he is a financial adviser of some kind I tell him that I keep my money in cash, in a pillowcase under my bed. Then he blinks multiple times, has a tiny seizure and tells me I shouldn't do that. But, you know, in a fun way). If guys seem reluctant to discuss, just smooth it over (You don't have to tell me - there are lots of things I don't tell people in here).
GuyPOV
02-27-2007, 02:06 PM
GuyPOV if we approach you at step 7, we don't KNOW that you have been through all the "bull" that you have been through, so cut the ladies approaching you some slack. it's not their fault that the waitresses charge you more/less and that the cabbie got paid for bringing you in. And honestly, no one asking where are you from is trying to scam you (or maybe 1 out of 100, small percentage) they are just trying to make conversation. eh well. another lost soul on sw.
Much love to all the girls on this forum but you have to admit that 99% of you are trying to hone your craft and get support from this forum. You are not scam artist. Unfortunately some club environments have a scam artist type of mentality. (I think I have a topic for another thread.)
All I was trying to do is give my point of view of why you probably shouldn't lead with a sizing up type of question. My whole point which I think I probably can't express in words. Has more to do with a guy feeling like he is going to get hussled so he keeps his guard up and asking the same questions as the scam artist ask only sends off alarms. To put me at ease in a place that is already sending off alarms, I would suggest questions regarding what do you like to do for fun. Do you like my new shoes? Anything other than sizing up questions.
virgoamm
02-27-2007, 02:42 PM
I am so putting that on my locker! HAHAHAHA!!!!! :D
<Dancer Thinking> I need to make sure I get home by 2:30 so I can get to bed by 3:00 so I can get to my math class at 8:00.[/I]
<Customer> Yea I have money.
<Dancer> OMG I BET. YOU'RE ALSO CUTE.
<Dancer Thinking> Just spend it....maybe if I give him a kiss on the cheek.
*Peck*
<Customer Thinking> She totally is into me and thinks I'm loaded. I'm going to spend my 3 months savings on a $170.00 champagne room.
<Dancer> So you want to get a dance?
<Customer> How about champagne? What can happen there?
<Dancer> well I can be more fun in a more private setting. Try me baby.
<Dancer Thinking> Douchebag. I hope you choke on an french fry. I'm not touching you for shit.
<Customer Thinking> I am sooooo getting lucky, if I use a CC for part of the first, maybe I can get 2 rooms. I may need it cause I'll be fucking her like a porn star.
<Customer> sure lets go.
<Dancer> Thanks baby.
*2 hours later on Stripperweb*
Thread title: Does she REALLY like me?
"I bought 2 champagne rooms and got a kiss on the cheek, but I was wondering..."
AlexxaHex
02-27-2007, 06:02 PM
That IS pretty genius. ^^ I'ma save it somewhere too.
Bridgette
02-28-2007, 07:47 AM
Much love to all the girls on this forum but you have to admit that 99% of you are trying to hone your craft and get support from this forum. You are not scam artist. Unfortunately some club environments have a scam artist type of mentality. (I think I have a topic for another thread.)
All I was trying to do is give my point of view of why you probably shouldn't lead with a sizing up type of question. My whole point which I think I probably can't express in words. Has more to do with a guy feeling like he is going to get hussled so he keeps his guard up and asking the same questions as the scam artist ask only sends off alarms. To put me at ease in a place that is already sending off alarms, I would suggest questions regarding what do you like to do for fun. Do you like my new shoes? Anything other than sizing up questions.I know the point you're making, and that's partially why I don't ask guys about their jobs. Also because frankly, I don't care what they do for a living.
But perhaps you can get it through your head that it's not necessarily a sizing up question! I mean really, if we were to expand on your logic here, ANYthing we ask a guy could be construed as "sizing up". So I think you'd have alot more fun at the SC if you could put aside some of that defensiveness and auto-suspicion.
And here's a novel idea: If you aren't having a good time with a girl, don't spend on her, no matter what she says. Rather than try to figure out how many ways she's trying to fuck you over, how about relaxing and enjoying the fun? Take responsibility for your own spending. When you hit your limit, STOP spending.
casaubon1
02-28-2007, 11:54 AM
I don't see how any of this adds up to a "scam". Unless a guy is a complete doorpost, he knows walking into the club that the dancers are there to sell him their time. Once you accept that, how is there any scam? Sure the dancers are doing anything they can to figure out if the guy is going to be a good customer, but the guys are assessing the dancers just as critically.
As for asking a guy what does for a living, it is a pretty standard question at a white-collar, professional cocktail party. It gets a conversation going, at least among people who like (or are at least proud of) what they do. I doubt very many guys like that would mind being asked the same question in a club. Maybe if there is a different clientele in the club it is more sensitive?
GuyPOV
02-28-2007, 05:26 PM
I know the point you're making, and that's partially why I don't ask guys about their jobs. Also because frankly, I don't care what they do for a living.
But perhaps you can get it through your head that it's not necessarily a sizing up question! I mean really, if we were to expand on your logic here, ANYthing we ask a guy could be construed as "sizing up". So I think you'd have alot more fun at the SC if you could put aside some of that defensiveness and auto-suspicion.
And here's a novel idea: If you aren't having a good time with a girl, don't spend on her, no matter what she says. Rather than try to figure out how many ways she's trying to fuck you over, how about relaxing and enjoying the fun? Take responsibility for your own spending. When you hit your limit, STOP spending.
No one has more fun than me in a strip club. However if you travel like me and end up in clubs you are unfamiliar with or haven't been to in years, how do I know which girls to "trust" and which are just out to get as much money from me without doing anything (scamming).
You know the ones who claim a part of a club is VIP and dances are $50 in which the club doesn't even have a VIP. You know the ones who take you to VIP and say the VIP is $300 and gives the host $200 and keeps the extra $100. You know the one who can't seem to understand how much dances cost or only know how to count in multiple of 3's. You know the one who has all of her friends drinks on your tab.
I've been around this business for 12 years. I've probably been scammed two or three times. I hang around a lot of people who travel and they have been scammed more often. For me when the scam alert goes off, I do leave. Right, wrong or indifferent I probably have missed getting to know some very nice dancers because they worked in a club that was scammish (I mentioned the type in an earlier post) and her opening line was "where are you from and how long are you in town." The same line of a scam artist. Just trying to give a perspective from the other side of the table.
Jenny
02-28-2007, 05:40 PM
No one has more fun than me in a strip club. However if you travel like me and end up in clubs you are unfamiliar with or haven't been to in years, how do I know which girls to "trust" and which are just out to get as much money from me without doing anything (scamming).
Well... don't pay them for doing nothing. Problem solved. Honestly, dancing isn't like cleaning houses. You don't need to check under the bed to make sure we dusted. The hard work is getting the money, not doing the dance. The everyone is trying to get the most for the least doesn't strictly apply in that way, because, as I said, when you've said "yes" the hard part of our job is done.
You know the ones who claim a part of a club is VIP and dances are $50 in which the club doesn't even have a VIP. You know the ones who take you to VIP and say the VIP is $300 and gives the host $200 and keeps the extra $100. You know the one who can't seem to understand how much dances cost or only know how to count in multiple of 3's. You know the one who has all of her friends drinks on your tab.
I don't know any of these girls. Seriously. But I don't think stunting innocent conversation or getting your back up about silly, harmless small talk is the answer either. Like if you are worried about knowing the cost of the dance - ask around before you get one. Easy. If you want to know what to pay the host and you think all the girls are lying - ask the host. Easy.
I hang around a lot of people who travel and they have been scammed more often. For me when the scam alert goes off, I do leave. Right, wrong or indifferent I probably have missed getting to know some very nice dancers because they worked in a club that was scammish (I mentioned the type in an earlier post) and her opening line was "where are you from and how long are you in town." The same line of a scam artist. Just trying to give a perspective from the other side of the table.
Umm... okay. But, honestly, you sound, based on this, really paranoid and high maintenance. If you were all "Fuck you, I'm getting out of here" because I asked how long you were town, I'd be all "okay... psycho." I mean, we want to cater to (if we cater at all) to, like, normal customers. Not guys with paranoid fantasies.
Don't get me wrong - you could be a perfectly nice guy. But your reaction here is not rational, and (thank god) not average. Most guys will (if they are, in fact, reluctant to tell - as some few are) either make something up or just say that they prefer to not say.
GuyPOV
02-28-2007, 05:50 PM
^^^You got the wrong impression of me. I can tell by your negative remarks. I will just leave it alone. I'm on your side. You don't have to convince me that dancers are honest. I think very positive about most dancers and most clubs and enjoy myself in them. Unfortunately, I will say it again the bad ones "size you up at the beginning", you as a good dancer can continue doing that as well.
Jenny
02-28-2007, 05:57 PM
^^^You got the wrong impression of me. I can tell by your negative remarks. I will just leave it alone. I'm on your side. You don't have to convince me that dancers are honest. I think very positive about most dancers and most clubs and enjoy myself in them. Unfortunately, I will say it again the bad ones "size you up at the beginning", you as a good dancer can continue doing that as well.
I don't think so - you seem perfectly nice but way, way over cautious on this issue. Like I said; if you're worried about getting ripped off, fine - take steps. I just don't think walking out of a club because a girl asks you where you are from is a measured or rational reaction to this concern. I mean, it's your money and your legs - so up to you. But... okay, I think what I'm trying to say is that the problem in the scenario you are outlining is not with us.
AlexxaHex
02-28-2007, 07:28 PM
I don't think Jenny is trying to convince you that all, most or any dancers are honest. We are not speaking on the honesty issue here.
We simply don't understand how asking where you are from or what line of work you are in would push you to leave.
That's like saying one brand of ice cream advertised large unchopped almonds in it, and you got a few that were chopped up.
Then would you refuse to buy ice cream from that same store again? Or you are wary because some other brand of ice cream has almonds (even though almonds taste really good and they are one of your favorite foods)? To most sane individuals, it would be worth it just to deal with the few chopped up ones, recognize it as a slightly bitter reality and not let yourself be doomed to an ice creamless existence.
Get my analogy?
Bridgette
03-01-2007, 04:23 PM
The thing is Guy, we ALLLLLLL size up customers from the beginning. So to associate that in itself and assume THAT is any indication of a possible scam is just absurd.
Casual Observer
03-01-2007, 08:34 PM
^ Agreed. When you remember that dancers are there to pay the rent (generally speaking), it shouldn't bother you that they want to figure out what they can get from you. Just make sure they earn their money...
All I was trying to do is give my point of view of why you probably shouldn't lead with a sizing up type of question. My whole point which I think I probably can't express in words. Has more to do with a guy feeling like he is going to get hussled so he keeps his guard up and asking the same questions as the scam artist ask only sends off alarms. To put me at ease in a place that is already sending off alarms, I would suggest questions regarding what do you like to do for fun. Do you like my new shoes? Anything other than sizing up questions.
Dude, you're sized up as soon as they approach you, or as soon as you approach them. Basic things like eye contact, general appearance/hygiene and more subtle markers like the kind of watch you wear and what your shoes look like. Nothing wrong with that, just part of the SC environment. Asking what I do for work isn't much different; I don't like it myself, mostly because I don't care to describe it to anyone not in the business. Doesn't make her malevolent for looking for an icebreaker.
AkashaM
03-02-2007, 04:09 PM
Mystery likes bumping ridiculously old threads ive noticed...
Yeah, but the info in this thread is still valid.
Chrissy68
03-04-2007, 11:42 PM
yes, yes it is.
Lola Rose
03-04-2007, 11:57 PM
Don't be afraid to ask them. But is what they tell you true? He could be giving you a fake business card he made up just for dancers.
I must say, if anyone actually does this, they deserve a 5ft tall plastic trophy for Most Pathetic Strip Club Customer. They just won it away from the guy who wants to fuck for 5$.