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merely_lurking
01-24-2006, 02:05 PM
I don't think anything is wrong with you Kikin. Strip clubs are pretty dull places to be after the novelty of it wears off. And the novelty does wear off if you go enough times.

mr_punk
01-25-2006, 05:51 AM
The former was confined to stage dancing. To me, it was a rather picky semantics debate over the word service. (Is viewing a movie the act of receiving a service? I think it is, but apparently some people don't casually apply that word to spectator activities.) I assume the latter was what I consider a case of sloppy semantics, tossing out the word sex to mean only FS and also addressing what's within the offical policy of the SC, but I admit I'm not going to go back and try to sort that one out.actually, he said a LD was a sexual service and SD was not. frankly, he was quite adamant about SD not being one. which is strange considering that strippers complain about not getting tipped on stage.

My brethren? I have trouble with it. Considering it's often used as a way of dismissing people. However, I'll hold nothing against anyone using it neutrally. Still, it's so vague. If I were a car salesman, you'd say so, not refer to me as an auto worker.and you can just as easily be dismissed with the word 'stripper'. yet, you don't seem to have a problem with the word. the word 'dancer' is vauge. yet, you don't seem to have a problem with it's vagueness. i'm sure you still sell the same product, no matter what you are called. so, what is the problem? 'sex worker' isn't as soothing as the other two? in any case, i'm sure you can understand how a customer might justify a night at the sc equivalent to performance art.

Again, I don't think the justification you're describing is going on universally, but if it is within the examples you cited, so be it. Your boundaries may not make sense to anyone else either, but I assume you have some and that you delineate in your own belief system what's justifiable for you and what is not. I don't see the difference.

I simply don't see the need to limit oneself to generalization. As long as being specific doesn't lead to judgmentalism toward others, it's fine to categorize different actions and say I'm all about this but not this. I don't understand your apparent obsession with lumping everything together in one general category as if it were needed to validate your behavior. I realize validation is not your motivation, but I don't get what is.first of all, i'm not implying that customers justify in the manner i described universally. some of them know exactly what's being sold. however, the act isn't as unusual or rare as you seem to think. secondly, there is a difference. the difference is that it isn't based on my alleged belief system, judgmentalism, obsession, behavior, etc. nor is it based on one's preference, comfort level or justification. it's simply based on what your industry sells.

there's nothing amorphous and nebulous about what a sc sells. the product itself is as easily identifiable and immutable as it has been for years. Toyota builds and sells automobiles. people don't seem to have a problem accepting that Toyota makes billions of dollars producing and selling cars. they don't argue that Toyota instead profits from the production of flying saucers, ping-pong balls and fresh-squeezed orange juice. however, for some strange reason, when it comes to sc. that's exactly what happens to some customers (and dancers) after taking a sip of the grape kool-aid. so, exactly what does your industry sell, evan? is it in the business of selling sex (in one form or another) or is it in the business of selling prawns and chateau lafite?

Obviously a strip club stage show is about sex. However, I think it would be going to far in the opposite direction to say that everything that goes on in a strip club is about sex and only sex.see what i mean, evan?

dlabtot
01-25-2006, 12:40 PM
see what i mean, evan?

I certainly don't. Are you taking issue with my comment? Are you claiming that everything that goes on in a strip club is about sex and only sex? I'd like to hear your rationale for espousing such an incredibly simple-minded viewpoint.

evan_essence
01-27-2006, 02:19 PM
so, exactly what does your industry sell, evan?The strip tease industry sells flirtation and foreplay. The strip extras industry sells sexual intercourse.

-Ev

mr_punk
02-04-2006, 11:36 AM
I certainly don't. Are you taking issue with my comment? Are you claiming that everything that goes on in a strip club is about sex and only sex? I'd like to hear your rationale for espousing such an incredibly simple-minded viewpoint.no, i don't have an issue with the comment at all. i think it's a perfect illustration of the point i was making to evan. also, the only claim i'm making is what's being sold to the customer is sex in one form or another. call me crazy, but i'm pretty sure sc aren't depending on the tasty creme brulee to draw customers to sc.

The strip tease industry sells flirtation and foreplay. The strip extras industry sells sexual intercourse.whew! for a minute there. i thought you were going to start throwing around nebulous, industry catchphrases like, "upscale", "entertainment experience", or the ubiquitous "fantasy". still, the strip tease industry? the strip extras industry? two wholly separate industries operating under one roof. sort of like the sc version of dunkin donuts/baskin-robbins. who knew? i mean, i've seen sc signs that advertise, "live! nude girls!", but i have to admit. i've never read one that says, "live! nude wet nurses/FS girls!". perhaps, that's a new marketing campaign.

dlabtot
02-04-2006, 11:47 AM
no, i don't have an issue with the comment at all. i think it's a perfect illustration of the point i was making to evan.

You seem to be having a reading comprehension problem, lol.

It can be hard to make subtle distinctions, but you should try to do so anyway... it might be worth the effort.

mr_punk
02-04-2006, 11:54 AM
You seem to be having a reading comprehension problem, lol.or perhaps you aren't being clear. after all, you did say:


However, I think it would be going to far in the opposite direction to say that everything that goes on in a strip club is about sex and only sex.why would it be going too far? after all, if a sc isn't selling sex. what are they selling?

dlabtot
02-04-2006, 12:02 PM
or perhaps you aren't being clear. after all, you did say:


However, I think it would be going to far in the opposite direction to say that everything that goes on in a strip club is about sex and only sex.
why would it be going too far? after all, if a sc isn't selling sex. what are they selling?

Yeah, there's the reading comprehension problem in a nutshell, since I never, ever said that "a sc isn't selling sex".

The clubs I go to do sell alcohol as well as sexual entertainment. One doubles as a liquor store. One sells food. They both have pool tables, one has poker tables...

Since you seem to be either unwilling or unable to respond to what I actually did say, this conversation seems pointless.

mr_punk
02-04-2006, 12:38 PM
Yeah, there's the reading comprehension problem in a nutshell, since I never, ever said that "a sc isn't selling sex".LOL..yeah, i know. however, you also said, "it would be going to far in the opposite direction to say that everything that goes on in a strip club is about sex and only sex". so, if a sc is selling sex and if's it going too far to say that sc are only about sex and only sex. then what are sc selling?". you don't see the ambivalence in your statements?

The clubs I go to do sell alcohol as well as sexual entertainment. One doubles as a liquor store. One sells food. They both have pool tables, one has poker tables...no, it's not pointless. that's exactly the point i was making to evan about customers drinking the kool-aid.

dlabtot
02-04-2006, 12:49 PM
LOL..yeah, i know. however, you also said, "it would be going to far in the opposite direction to say that everything that goes on in a strip club is about sex and only sex". so, if a sc is selling sex and if's it going too far to say that sc are only about sex and only sex. then what are sc selling?".
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LOL, I guess you just don't get it. I'll try one last time to explain it in terms simple enough to understand,

The strip clubs I discussed in my post above (the ones that are selling sexual entertainment, alcohol, gambling and food) -- what are they selling?

They are selling sexual entertainment, alcohol, gambling and food.

LOL

Get it now?

mr_punk
02-04-2006, 01:55 PM
LOL, I guess you just don't get it. I'll try one last time to explain it in terms simple enough to understand,

The strip clubs I discussed in my post above (the ones that are selling sexual entertainment, alcohol, gambling and food) -- what are they selling?

They are selling sexual entertainment, alcohol, gambling and food.

LOL

Get it now?yeah, i get it. it's called drinking the kool aid. here, let me help you. an analogy would be a vegas hotel/casino. now, they offer food, drink, shopping, shows, etc. however, people don't invest in multi-million or billion dollar buildings hoping to make a profit by selling cheap buffets and Celine Dion tickets to the rubes from Wyoming. no, they offer those amenities so guests have no reason to leave the hotel and hopefully, lose their shirts at the tables. despite, what other anemities the hotel sells. the gambling is the straw that stirs the drink for the hotel. but hey, like i said:


there's nothing amorphous and nebulous about what a sc sells. the product itself is as easily identifiable and immutable as it has been for years. Toyota builds and sells automobiles. people don't seem to have a problem accepting that Toyota makes billions of dollars producing and selling cars. they don't argue that Toyota instead profits from the production of flying saucers, ping-pong balls and fresh-squeezed orange juice. however, for some strange reason, when it comes to sc. that's exactly what happens to some customers (and dancers) after taking a sip of the grape kool-aid.so, whether it's alcohol, gambling ,food or flying saucers, ping-pong balls and fresh-squeezed orange juice. that isn't the draw for a sc. one can get those things at any number of places and customers will still show up at sc without them.

dlabtot
02-04-2006, 03:10 PM
yeah you've said the same thing, how many times now? now you are even quoting yourself! lol

kikin
02-04-2006, 03:48 PM
heheheh

mr_punk
02-05-2006, 05:42 AM
yeah you've said the same thing, how many times now? now you are even quoting yourself! lolfunny, i don't recall speaking about the amenities (ie: the alcohol, gambling and food) of the sc i attend. the fact that you did mention them. tells me that you completely missed the point because you seem to think it's relevant. then again, i suppose it would be relevant to someone who has a passion for interior design and grape kool-aid. so, what next? are you going to start splitting hairs over marble floors and 5-star kitchens too?

hehehehanother boy wonder from CC. this coming from a guy who likes to talk about finger banging strippers and then claims it isn't about the sex. yeah, it must be about the poker, prawns and $1 beer night.

Feiticeira
02-05-2006, 08:59 AM
Maybe you're going too much?Too much of a good thing can lose its sparkle sometimes. I know if I go too much I get bored, so I try to space out my visits. Good luck!

evan_essence
02-06-2006, 06:56 AM
still, the strip tease industry? the strip extras industry? two wholly separate industries operating under one roof.Yeah, amazing what you get with a bunch of independent contractors, huh? Of course, I thought you understood that the level of activity varied from dancer to dancer. You've indicated in the past that you've experienced it firsthand. Perhaps it doesn't suit your argument to acknowledge that fact today.

-Ev

mr_punk
02-11-2006, 07:14 AM
Yeah, amazing what you get with a bunch of independent contractors, huh? Of course, I thought you understood that the level of activity varied from dancer to dancer. You've indicated in the past that you've experienced it firsthand. Perhaps it doesn't suit your argument to acknowledge that fact today.nah, that's not it. i didn't disagree with the assessment you made. i even gave you credit for not blowing smoke up my ass. however, at the same time, it would be careless of me to think most of the people who run and work in your industry would be as forthcoming. but hey, i understand. of course, there are the obvious reasons. however, let's not forget that a lot of time, energy and money was spent getting the rubes to line up in front of the punch bowl by creating this veneer of respectability. i suppose, it would be a shame to see all that hard work go to waste by having them puke it up.

zeke
03-20-2006, 12:10 PM
Here is a good change of pace...dont go to the club for a weeks and save up the $ u would have spent...then go to a massage parlor...this way u still get a naked chick and even some extras...not too shabby !!

Versalia
08-08-2013, 02:51 PM
Cause you guys become f*cking spoiled and cannot appreciate womens beauty anymore. WTF is wrong with you going to strip club every week anyway? Get a girlfriend, or better, get a life!!

yoda57us
08-08-2013, 04:15 PM
Cause you guys become f*cking spoiled and cannot appreciate womens beauty anymore. WTF is wrong with you going to strip club every week anyway? Get a girlfriend, or better, get a life!!

So I'm guessing you don't have any regular customers....