View Full Version : Is it really ALL about the money???
pinkkitten
02-09-2006, 07:34 PM
^^^ I completely agree. Teasing people is fun and I'm an exibitionist. And yes, hustling sucks, rude, smelly, fat, grabby men suck. But I find the stage and just the loud environment, and getting to wear cute little outfits to be fun. I guess this is the reason I've manged to avoid getting burned out. I like the job, hate the assholes. But I am happy to be getting paid more to deal with rude assholes than I did when I had to deal with rude asshole sexually harassing me at my minimum wage fast food job I had before.
MzGigi
02-09-2006, 09:15 PM
Money, money money, money! MONEYYYY!
Thats what I do it for.... why else would I *WANT* to take my clothes off and show my 'goodies' to nasty old men who i wouldnt even want to BREATHE THE SAME AIR AS, let alone let them look at my beautiful body, for merely DOLLARS!
kitana
02-10-2006, 08:18 AM
As long as you go home happy, then! :)
I don't need hot young guys to dance for... I rather like the old ones, for the money reasons you mentioned and because they are more appreciative. It's the tease that does it for me!
I like the older men as well, lol. But everyone says I am older than I really am anyway, so maybe that's why.
Make no mistake; not even for one tiny second. I do this solely for the money and nothing more. Not for fun, I would rather be home with my hubby having fun. For money, plain and simple.
Angelique Entertainment
02-10-2006, 08:53 AM
Thanks Threlayer you got it! (#22)
I've read most of the responses 2my thread & this is the only one i'm gonna quote 4 the moment as i don't have much time.
I believe that Threlayer understood my point, I'm not saying to anyone that they should give it up 4free...how did anyone get that idea?i'm saying,if you ONLY do it for the money u end up being miserable!... My serious opinion is that if you have a reason to enjoy your work then you will do a better job and inturn make more money....BUT if you go into work with 'oh god, here we go again' it really affects your work.
When i started this job it was purely 2make some money..of course...but when i saw the advertisement i thought it was just gogo. i went in with my best friend and had the interview with this really stuck up woman who barely spoke english. the most i got out of her that was completely understood was 'you got the job, be here on monday'..when we showed up that day we were in shock...but we needed the money so we did it...and i really enjoyed it.
ok ofcourse i think to myself sometime 'what the hell am i doing here?' when drunken idiots won't leave me alone but eventually i learned to look past that.
That is why i chose to learn what i could from who i could. Ok i've had lots of idiot offers 4 supposed jobs but i did not intend on listening or working 4 anyone...my advice was to learn what u can 2 work ALONE.
Who wants to do this forever anyway? And as for the fun part which i think alot of people didn't quite get...my point is if you could make money out of your hobby, lets say surfing in one reply's case, would u do it? of course u would, & u'd be a hell of alot better at it than the next guy who did it cause that was his only option.
All i'm trying to say is that in the begginging u should make the most of ur learning experiences so that if u want to have something in the future u don't have 2end up scraping pennys together. I mean lets face it, we all grow out of our looks eventually.
Now due to everytihng i've learnt no i don't HAVE to dance but i like it..& my bonus out of just looking at it as a hobby is that
1- i make more money cause the clients see me always in a good mood,
2- Because i don't HAVE to dance i can CHOOSE who i want to dance for or speak to. Ok i did have some problems with the boss in the beginning because one guy offered me a very expensive bottle and i refused it... but the guy was a complete sleaze ball and wouldn't stop touching the girls, annoyed the rest of the clients & in return in the long run would have scared respectfull clients away, thus losing out on money in the long run. When the boss realised my way of thinking he wouldn't stop calling me with jobs.
I've even been called in by bosses when they wanted a day off 2 come in and manage the club.
So u c...u have to think long term.
I respect anyone who does it JUST for the money & i can understand it but if you really don't enjoy it u SHOULD be looking 4 ways & options 2get out quicker!
Oh & as for marrying rich men for money, it does happen alot...i'm not saying thats everyones goal i'm just saying it DOES happen MORE than u think...and not just with dancers..the downfall being that when that guy decides to run off with a jounger girl... you get left with what??.....NOTHING!
So to sum everything up:
LOOK FOR WAYS TO ENJOY WHAT YOU DO!
FIND WAYS TO BE INDEPENDANT...there are so many business ops nowadays...why not steal one 4yourself?
Malibu
02-10-2006, 04:39 PM
I understood the initial post, but this one clarifies it even better.
Good post.
Jenny
02-10-2006, 04:58 PM
Well shucks Angelique. Thanks for letting us know. So you're saying that we shouldn't be so "money, money, money" unless we are applying to ANOTHER business? That asking/gleaning advice from business MEN about other business is viable, but gleaning from other women about this one is money grubbing? We should just be engaging in this particular money making opportunity for joy, and hobby, and the possibility of opening a separate business? Honey, that's not putting the carriage before the horse. It complete unawareness that there is a horse in the equation. You're trying to put cows in front of your carriage.
Those women who are career dancers already HAVE a business. Why in the name of god would you want to tell them that THEIR business is not as legitimate as yours? (and congratulations by the way. I have never met a successful business owner who had time to manage three business and would have time left over to be a dancer. That is really VERY impressive). They come here and talk incessantly about money because they are interested in improving it.
Also - you dance... for fun? I mean I like dancing. I do. But really. Your hobby is exotic dancing? And you think there is something WRONG with us because we are focused on... making money? Huh. That would likely be because most people may enjoy it, but it is NOT a hobby. It is a BUSINESS.
LOGANLAKEN
02-10-2006, 11:09 PM
^ well said jenny! ^
MeganS
02-11-2006, 02:56 AM
^^^hear! Hear!
Djoser
02-11-2006, 02:59 AM
Something fun to do that you decide to do for a business has a way of becoming a lot less fun, especially if the business is stressful.
Fresh out of college, idealistic as hell, and rather headstrong, I decided to follow my inclination to be an artist. It sucked, so I got into the best money-making form of art I could find--architectural illustration. that was better, but it still sucked.
Now I hardly ever want to draw, and only when I know I am getting a large sum of money for it.
I would like to be able someday to get it arranged so that I only do drawings as a part time thing--but I will always want a lot of money for anything I draw for anyone else--I think that part of me has changed permanently.
Lyssa Lynn
02-11-2006, 07:19 AM
Yaaay Jenny!
AudreyLeigh
02-11-2006, 12:11 PM
Well shucks Angelique. Thanks for letting us know. So you're saying that we shouldn't be so "money, money, money" unless we are applying to ANOTHER business? That asking/gleaning advice from business MEN about other business is viable, but gleaning from other women about this one is money grubbing? We should just be engaging in this particular money making opportunity for joy, and hobby, and the possibility of opening a separate business? Honey, that's not putting the carriage before the horse. It complete unawareness that there is a horse in the equation. You're trying to put cows in front of your carriage.
Those women who are career dancers already HAVE a business. Why in the name of god would you want to tell them that THEIR business is not as legitimate as yours? (and congratulations by the way. I have never met a successful business owner who had time to manage three business and would have time left over to be a dancer. That is really VERY impressive). They come here and talk incessantly about money because they are interested in improving it.
Also - you dance... for fun? I mean I like dancing. I do. But really. Your hobby is exotic dancing? And you think there is something WRONG with us because we are focused on... making money? Huh. That would likely be because most people may enjoy it, but it is NOT a hobby. It is a BUSINESS.
Yes! Yes! Yes! ;D
The Snark
02-11-2006, 12:48 PM
This may be a bit of a stretch, and I doubt Angelique would phrase it this way, but I think she is saying that the way in which many strippers discuss their job fits the Marxist definition of alienated labour. That is, they see their work as a commodity they sell rather than an activity they find rewarding and that is integral to their selves.
As the philosopher himself wrote:
All these consequences follow from the fact that the worker is related to the product of his labour as to an alien object. For it is clear on this presupposition that the more the worker expends himself in work the more powerful becomes the world of objects which he creates in face of himself, the poorer he becomes in his inner life, and the less he belongs to himself... The worker puts his life into the object, and his life then belongs no longer to himself but to the object. The greater his activity, therefore, the less he possesses.... The alienation of the worker in his product means not only that his labour becomes an object, assumes an external existence, but that it exists independently, outside himself, and alien to him, and that it stands opposed to him as an autonomous power.
Which is not to say that we all ought to love our jobs, much less do them for free, but rather that it's a lot more psychologically healthy to love a job that doesn't pay well than to hate one that makes you rich. I mean, I'm sure a professional football player does his job for the money, but that doesn't preclude him from loving the game.
Jenny
02-11-2006, 12:55 PM
Hey Snark - I agree that it might be more psychologically healthy. However it is also not an option for the vast majority of people. Also dancers have an intrinsic connection to their own production - we are generally not producing for someone else and that premise is generally pretty essential to a Marxist interpretation?
And, I don't think that is what Angelique is saying. I think she is criticizing the fact that everyone on this site is focussed on making money; and then says that instead of focussing on making money at our jobs we should be cross examining our clients for information on how to open a different business.
Lizette
02-11-2006, 01:55 PM
I am not all about the money!
I'll have you know that I volunteer 2x/week at an underpriviledged strip club to help make sure that every man gets the lapdances he needs. I do it for the greater good. I may sacrifice with bitten nipples, grabbed crotches, and a rash on my butt, but it's this kind of suffering that brings the highest spiritual reward that comes with knowing that, for some man, I put the "happy" in "happy ending" when he doesn't even know my real name. In fact, men rarely notice my fake name. They understand that charitable acts should be anonymous. My work is not for recognition; it's to ensure equal lapdance opportunities for everyone!
Angelique Entertainment
02-11-2006, 02:58 PM
This may be a bit of a stretch, and I doubt Angelique would phrase it this way, but I think she is saying that the way in which many strippers discuss their job fits the Marxist definition of alienated labour. That is, they see their work as a commodity they sell rather than an activity they find rewarding and that is integral to their selves.
Which is not to say that we all ought to love our jobs, much less do them for free, but rather that it's a lot more psychologically healthy to love a job that doesn't pay well than to hate one that makes you rich. I mean, I'm sure a professional football player does his job for the money, but that doesn't preclude him from loving the game.
Thankyou!!!!!
Angelique Entertainment
02-11-2006, 03:06 PM
Hey Snark - And, I don't think that is what Angelique is saying. I think she is criticizing the fact that everyone on this site is focussed on making money; and then says that instead of focussing on making money at our jobs we should be cross examining our clients for information on how to open a different business.
Jenny i'm sorry but you are very wrong....i never critisized anyone.... all i say is make the most out of it...
if you dont like it...i'm not saying don't do it all i'm saying is find a way to get out quicker.
Money is like air... we all need it....but too much oxygen can be dangerous.
And trying too hard to get it even more so.
I love MAKING money...but on my own terms.
All i say is MAKE your own terms.
Katrine
02-11-2006, 04:06 PM
I have established relatationships with clients inside the clubs that have been beneficial to me outside the club, and not in any illegal way. There's nothing wrong with relationship building.
Angelique, you are just not being very clear in your posts, but I think I see what you are saying. Is english your first language?
Emily
02-11-2006, 04:17 PM
I think I see what Angelique is saying too....
if dancing isn't your thing, and you're doing it just for the money, it'll make you feel unwhole.
But I would estimte 95% of the population doesn't love their job. I consider myself part of that 95%. I'm okay with that because of the money. The ease with which I earn it mitigates my disgust for the way it is earned.
DancerWealth
02-11-2006, 04:30 PM
I have actually met a few dancers who truly do what they do for the fun of it and they also are not full-time dancers either. I think virtually all of them only do it one or two nights a month. I also know many dancers who actually have a lot of fun being exotic dancers (minus all the drama and customer crap of course) but every career or chosen profession will have it's negatives. This being said though, I can also tell you that probably every woman I know who truly loves being an exotic dancer would not continue to do it if the money was not available.
Pamela
02-11-2006, 04:31 PM
I will say for me it WAS all about the money!!!!! Hell yes.
Pamela
Lyssa Lynn
02-11-2006, 07:08 PM
I am not all about the money!
I'll have you know that I volunteer 2x/week at an underpriviledged strip club to help make sure that every man gets the lapdances he needs. I do it for the greater good. I may sacrifice with bitten nipples, grabbed crotches, and a rash on my butt, but it's this kind of suffering that brings the highest spiritual reward that comes with knowing that, for some man, I put the "happy" in "happy ending" when he doesn't even know my real name. In fact, men rarely notice my fake name. They understand that charitable acts should be anonymous. My work is not for recognition; it's to ensure equal lapdance opportunities for everyone!
:laughing: :great: LMAO!!!
Angelique Entertainment
02-11-2006, 07:19 PM
hey katerine.... about english being my first language...well.. yes and no...
English is the first language i speak but i only started to learn it at 8years old...not in school either so although i don't remember my original language my english isn't so good either...it ALWAYS takes me 10sentences to get out what most do in 1!!!!
LOGANLAKEN
02-12-2006, 09:17 AM
Thanks SO MUCH for "breaking it" to me that life isn't that easy anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you really think dancers are that stupid?!
Malibu
02-12-2006, 10:05 AM
Personally, I don't understand the aggression directed towards the poster. I believe she's made a fair point. You can choose to take it or leave it. There is no need to flame, her intentions are not to offend people who are dancing "for the money" so to speak.
I too believe a great deal of dancers would benefit from dancing if they changed their mindset and developed a strategy which is what the first post was basically aiming at. Not everyone that reads this board is a seasoned dancer and thinks ahead, a lot of lurkers and posters are newbies or people thinking about starting stripping who haven't even thought about what it can really do for them. In fact, even some ladies I know who have been dancing for ages are stagnant in the way they approach the job. I wouldn't deny anyone from saying such things, because it may be what they need to know.
Anyway, let the thread ensue. I thought I'd just add my :twocents:
The Snark
02-12-2006, 10:26 AM
Also dancers have an intrinsic connection to their own production - we are generally not producing for someone else and that premise is generally pretty essential to a Marxist interpretation?
I think this is a disputable point--I know you'd classify dancers as independent contractors, but that's a bit of a stretch. Technically, someone who's doing piece work at a sweatshop could also be considered an independent contractor, in that she's producing for herself and then selling the product to her manager. But as in a sweatshop, the means of production at a SC--the stage, the bar, the DJ booth, etc.--are owned by the proprietor, who ultimately profits more than his workers.
What's more, I think one of the characteristics of unalienated labour is that you feel an emotional investment in what your doing because you reap rewards from the outcome. When I care for a tomato plant in my garden, it doesn't feel like work because I know that I'll end up eating some delicious tomatoes at the end of the season. The difference with stripping is that you're producing services rather than goods, but if you were unalienated you'd enjoy the service itself and not just the money you receive for it.
Of course, as Emily points out, most people don't love their jobs--Marx would say that wage labour is alienated by definition. (Disclaimer: I am not, nor have I ever been a Marxist, but I am guilty of the youthful indiscretion of reading too much political economic theory.)
Part of the reason I'm writing this is that I was once dressed down by a dancer when I remarked in an offhand way that the only reason strippers work is for the money. "I'm really disappointed in you for saying that," she said. "You know, there are lots of ways of making money."
I wouldn't say this particular dancer loved her job--she also told me she found many of her customers repulsive and could only endure the club in small doses--but she did recognize that her feelings about stripping were more complicated than a simple desire to make money.
Pamela
02-12-2006, 10:41 AM
I mean damn i HATE Burger King....but for $45 an hour i'll fucking work there mopping floors! It's money!!! That's what we work for to survive. I guess if you love your job that's a bonus...but i'lll work for the $$$$$ and hate the job if need be!!! :)
Pamela