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Sirona
03-04-2006, 04:24 PM
It is my post you are commenting on and so I just wanted to be clear that I would feel the same way regardless of the gender of the person.

Call me a prude if you wish but if fucking several men all while letting them videotape the action isn't being a disgusting pig then what is ? I mean come on they approached her at 4 am outside an apartment complex for cripes sake !

And seriously how likely do you think it is that condoms were used in this situation ? My guess is the odds are less than 10% . The cherry on top is that then she turned around and cried rape.

Sorry but unless she was drugged then the term pig suits her perfectly (in my opinion). Actually that would be putting an real pig down unjustly because they aren't that disgusting.

Keep in mind though that I have never and will never have sex outside of a monogamous relationship so that does color my opinions on these types of subjects.

Well I guess i'm a disgusting dirty pig then according to your supreme judgement.

It'd be nice if the points you made were remotely valid but they aren't....

She CLAIMED she she was approached by five or six "French men" in her apartment complex at approximately 4 a.m., and said the men physically carried her to the Gables Commons Apartments, where she was held down and sexually battered by at least four men. Of course we all know her claims were false and she was full of shit so i'm not sure where you're going by pointing it out.

I'd also like to know what condom use has to do with anything. Most women I know have at some point had unprotected sex so I suppose according to you they're all dirty pigs too. By the way, the whole thing is pure conjecture on your part anyhow and not a known truth so why bother saying it at all.

I'm amazed by the fact that out of this whole thing you are most bothered by her sexual predilections and not her lying (most likely in an attempt to sue for big cash) which if it hadn't been caught would have ruined the lives of mutiple people. Since when does someones sexual preferences have any bearing on the type of person they are? I've been with more than one man sexually at a time. I'm now automatically a pig? I've statistically been with less sexual partners than the average woman of my age (i'm 34, there have been ten) and yet according to you i'm disgusting.

Sorry if I come off as pissy but I find you to be insulting and judgemental and that fucking blows. No one says you have to like the same things, or do the same things as I or anyone else would but for crying out loud to judge someone based on one incident is ludicrous and closed minded.

ps - How many women think YOU'RE a pig for working in the sex industry? How's that make you feel? Are you your job or are you a mix of many different facets? The same goes for a persons sex life...

azcustomer
03-04-2006, 07:05 PM
I don't see how that is clear. That is a fourth party, not a third party. He could have simply misunderstood what his girlfriend said, or she could have misunderstood something that her friend said, or both. For example - many women are more sensitive to the idea of manipulation while another person is drunk.

OK - I didn't want to paint the girl as a slut, but she was. I didn't get her drunk, she got drunk so she could get up the nerve to pick ME up. She was the clear aggressor - pushing me against the wall and kissing me - putting her hand down my pants, etc.

Also, her friend didn't just tell her boyfriend - she tried to spread a rumor amongst friends of mine. About a month later, she got in my face in front of a date of mine. Luckily she had a reputation as someone who like to stir things up. And luckily, I've never had a reputation as being aggressive - actually gals I've dated have complained the opposite.


Well, this goes back to what I said before: rape is very pervasive. Certainly the most pervasive violent crime. I would never argue that it is okay to make false accusation, but I do resent it when people use the rare instances where girls do just lie - and people lie about everything, so yes, they lie about this too - to bolster a position that rape is not a real problem, or to tell us that if you were on a date then obviously you were consenting.

It sounds like you have different experiences from me. It is not rare that girls lie about this - it's very common. Women know about this too - I've been warned many times from gal friends of mine about this problem. As for rape being pervasive - each person has their own opinion about what constitutes rape - it is a very complex issue - as the rest of your post points out.

I will reiterate though, girls lying about the circumstance by which they had sex / almost had sex is very, very common. I will also admit that there's a whole bunch of guys out there who are absolute pigs. I've got plenty of guys I consider friends but also know them well enough to never associate with when meeting women.




Now, this is not rape because there is no intercourse, but is it sexual assault?
Her consent was obviously withheld, and he was obviously applying force.
If so, would it still be sexual assault if she hadn't been bruised?
Would have been sexual assault if she hadn't had that accursed female problem of being reluctant to be rude and impolite, even when someone is being very, very impolite to you (because this is characteristics of a lot of "almost rapes" - far from saying "Get off me right now, you sick fuck" the woman is reluctant to say something like that and instead says things like "no, not right now, I've got to get up early, I have to go home" or whatever. Women, for some reason feel the need to be polite when people are forcing themselves on them.
If I hadn't been kissing his friend, would it have been sexual assault?
If she hadn't been talking to him for and hour and a half earlier (keeping in mind that at no point did she say or imply that she would sleep with him or make out with him or anything) would it have been sexual assault?

I wasn't there but - In my opinion, it was definitely assault with possibly the intent of sexual assualt. Your friend was too polite. The guy was a pig and a jerk.

Deogol
03-04-2006, 07:22 PM
Well I guess i'm a disgusting dirty pig then according to your supreme judgement.

It'd be nice if the points you made were remotely valid but they aren't....

She CLAIMED she she was approached by five or six "French men" in her apartment complex at approximately 4 a.m., and said the men physically carried her to the Gables Commons Apartments, where she was held down and sexually battered by at least four men. Of course we all know her claims were false and she was full of shit so i'm not sure where you're going by pointing it out.

I'd also like to know what condom use has to do with anything. Most women I know have at some point had unprotected sex so I suppose according to you they're all dirty pigs too. By the way, the whole thing is pure conjecture on your part anyhow and not a known truth so why bother saying it at all.

I'm amazed by the fact that out of this whole thing you are most bothered by her sexual predilections and not her lying (most likely in an attempt to sue for big cash) which if it hadn't been caught would have ruined the lives of mutiple people. Since when does someones sexual preferences have any bearing on the type of person they are? I've been with more than one man sexually at a time. I'm now automatically a pig? I've statistically been with less sexual partners than the average woman of my age (i'm 34, there have been ten) and yet according to you i'm disgusting.

Sorry if I come off as pissy but I find you to be insulting and judgemental and that fucking blows. No one says you have to like the same things, or do the same things as I or anyone else would but for crying out loud to judge someone based on one incident is ludicrous and closed minded.

ps - How many women think YOU'RE a pig for working in the sex industry? How's that make you feel? Are you your job or are you a mix of many different facets? The same goes for a persons sex life...

When does the hair pullin and ripping off of the tops begin?

(And would that be rape?)

Sirona
03-04-2006, 07:52 PM
I apologize if I was bitchy. I just hate the whole, ew she's a slutty whore thing. It takes the whole focus away from what was truely reprehensible, the girl lying about something as serious as rape.

I'm speaking as both someone who has what some would consider a kinky sex life and someone who was the victim of an attempted rape (I was barely 15 and ended up taking out one of his eyes with my thumb, otherwise he would have succeeded).

I've just seen all too often people getting all holier than thou and judgemental about someone's sexual history and using it to discredit someone who HAS been raped.

TarynJolie
03-04-2006, 07:59 PM
Please do not put words into my mouth that I did not say( or in this case write) You did that SEVERAL times in your response to my post.

Furthermore, I guess you missed the other post where I wrote :


I generally try to keep it in check and remember that lots of people in the world sees my dancing in a club as pretty much the same thing as what porn stars do in their line of work. However it's hard for me not to judge when I get a such a strong gut reaction to someone's behavior.

Also you might keep in mind that just like you others are entitled to have their own opinions and express them as well. Which is all that I did in my posts. There is no need for name calling if you disagree with what I wrote.

As for my condom comment. Do you not think that someone who has unprotected sex with several strangers in one night gross ? Neither of us know for sure if that is what happened in this story ofcourse but in general is that type of behavior not reckless at the very least considering sex can kill people.

Are other people not entitled to have opinions on if a sexual predilection is disgusting to them ? Do you never find a sexual preference disgusting ? What about those who like to be pissed on or eat shit ? What about sex with animals ? Is there nothing that you find disgusting ? Are you being ( as you called me) ludicrous and closed minded when disgusted by whatever disgusts you ?

Also you were completely incorrect when you said that her allowing a gangbang bothered me more than her lying about rape. I find the lie to be far worse.

In closing , I will remind you that you can add me to your ignore list if my opinions are that offensive to you.

Have a nice day.



Well I guess i'm a disgusting dirty pig then according to your supreme judgement.

It'd be nice if the points you made were remotely valid but they aren't....

She CLAIMED she she was approached by five or six "French men" in her apartment complex at approximately 4 a.m., and said the men physically carried her to the Gables Commons Apartments, where she was held down and sexually battered by at least four men. Of course we all know her claims were false and she was full of shit so i'm not sure where you're going by pointing it out.

I'd also like to know what condom use has to do with anything. Most women I know have at some point had unprotected sex so I suppose according to you they're all dirty pigs too. By the way, the whole thing is pure conjecture on your part anyhow and not a known truth so why bother saying it at all.

I'm amazed by the fact that out of this whole thing you are most bothered by her sexual predilections and not her lying (most likely in an attempt to sue for big cash) which if it hadn't been caught would have ruined the lives of mutiple people. Since when does someones sexual preferences have any bearing on the type of person they are? I've been with more than one man sexually at a time. I'm now automatically a pig? I've statistically been with less sexual partners than the average woman of my age (i'm 34, there have been ten) and yet according to you i'm disgusting.

Sorry if I come off as pissy but I find you to be insulting and judgemental and that fucking blows. No one says you have to like the same things, or do the same things as I or anyone else would but for crying out loud to judge someone based on one incident is ludicrous and closed minded.

ps - How many women think YOU'RE a pig for working in the sex industry? How's that make you feel? Are you your job or are you a mix of many different facets? The same goes for a persons sex life...

Sirona
03-04-2006, 08:48 PM
Hey I apologized for being bitchy so what the hell, I also missed the other post you made 'cause the boards been screwey today. I'm not looking for a fight here, just voicing my opinion as you did. I reread your post, you made no mention of her lying just her sexual activity, hence I drew the conclusion that because that was the only thing you reacted to it was the thing you were most bothered by. Not a real leap. Like I said it's my opinion.

Ps -I'm not sure where I put words in your mouth OR called you names?