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Susan Wayward
03-24-2006, 01:04 AM
Well, the key there is diversity--all of one thing isn't good. When I was in clubs in Ohio and Indiana (and thankfully that's over) there would frequently be nothing but white girls there, and I was asked by customers on several occasions if there were any women of color working there. Hell, at the tiny club in Indiana the manager was actively seeking a hot black dancer because the only one they'd had had left! Of course, if I were African-American I'm not sure I'd want to work somewhere where people think that calling someone "colored" is polite . . . shit, I'm white and I didn't want to be there (to clarify, the majority of people were perfectly nice there, but after being in bigger, more diverse cities, any level of open racism or even plain ignorance was pretty jarring).

I've seen how the money changes in a club when they start hiring anyone who can walk in heels, regardless of ethinicity, and that is symptomatic of a downward trend, too. You know how at some clubs, when a customer tells you you're the best looking girl there, you're flattered? Well, I've been in some where you don't necessarily know it's a compliment, if you know what I mean.

Money is always going to be better in a club with a diverse array of hot girls who can sell; they're there because that's where the money is, and the money is there because they are. I mean, I'm sure you noticed that when you switched clubs, Emily.

And I don't know if Tina is necessarily saying that clubs should hire more women of color to increase spending, just that they shouldn't automatically assume they can't sell to the customers they have.

Emily
03-24-2006, 01:15 AM
I agree, so why the comment about too many college-aged WHITE GIRLS hurting business?

If she were saying ugly girls or girls that can't hustle, then I'd agree....but white girls....that I don't get.

miabella
03-24-2006, 05:07 AM
it could be because many college aged white girls do not know how to work with the club to retain spending customers. our customer base is getting all fucked up because a lot of those college-aged white girls want to dance to hardcore rap music. dancers of other ethnicities have always had to work to keep their appeal as broad as possible, which means working with the club a little bit so that spending customers keep coming in. they also know they can't afford to piss off the spending customers with the wrong type of demeanor.

i mean at my club for example, all the girls are hot, and management has allowed a slightly higher percentage of black dancers to work. but the girls driving the high-spending customers out are college aged WHITE dancers specifically who dance to music the spendy crowd doesn't want, who scam the customers and who cheat the club out of its vip cuts. but while an ethnic dancer pulling that stuff always gets fired/suspended, they don't consistently get dealt with (and no, they don't tip management either). meanwhile their antics attract guys who aren't going to pay full price for dances and who want to touch girls onstage and other such bullshit. i suspect that is the sort of thing tina is getting at, white girls dragging the club down but management blaming the decline on the 4 black dancers out of 50 that the club has.

mollyzmoon
03-24-2006, 10:33 AM
Personally, I try to tailor my stage set to the crowd. Older guys on a Sunday night? I dance to Heart, Depeche Mode, or David Bowie...retro stuff I can still look sexy/cute dancing to.

But anyways. I think maybe I'm spoiled here- our club is fairly diverse. It's true they only allow x-number of black girls work per shift (five out of twenty I think is the maximum ratio), which I've said before I see is racist and bullshit. But we do have about a dozen black girls who work at our club, as well as about half a dozen Asian girls (Vietnamese, part-Japanese, Chinese, etc), and three or four Middle Eastern or part-middle eastern girls. An Indian friend of mine just started dancing- being young, pretty, and exotic, she BANKS. I think the diversity of our dancers really helps bring in all kinds of customers. It works very well. Maybe that's why I didn't get the 'college aged white girl comment', because here anyway, we're actually not the typical dancer.

cinammonkisses
03-24-2006, 10:48 AM
i mean at my club for example, all the girls are hot, and management has allowed a slightly higher percentage of black dancers to work. but the girls driving the high-spending customers out are college aged WHITE dancers specifically who dance to music the spendy crowd doesn't want, who scam the customers and who cheat the club out of its vip cuts. but while an ethnic dancer pulling that stuff always gets fired/suspended, they don't consistently get dealt with (and no, they don't tip management either). meanwhile their antics attract guys who aren't going to pay full price for dances and who want to touch girls onstage and other such bullshit. i suspect that is the sort of thing tina is getting at, white girls dragging the club down but management blaming the decline on the 4 black dancers out of 50 that the club has.

I think you hit the nail on the head on that one. That's pretty much how I look at it too.

cinammonkisses
03-24-2006, 10:52 AM
When I was in clubs in Ohio and Indiana (and thankfully that's over)

No, you gotta come back, we never even got to hang out :-[


Of course, if I were African-American I'm not sure I'd want to work somewhere where people think that calling someone "colored" is polite . . .


Yes, I've had customers tell me that before. His exact words, "wow! You're so pretty for a colored girl" >:(

Yes, the shit does still get said, and alot of times customers think they are complimenting me. They aren't! I dont want to hear "wow, you're so pretty for a black girl" or bs like that...grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

cinammonkisses
03-24-2006, 10:57 AM
It's true they only allow x-number of black girls work per shift (five out of twenty I think is the maximum ratio), .... But we do have about a dozen black girls who work at our club, as well as about half a dozen Asian girls (Vietnamese, part-Japanese, Chinese, etc), and three or four Middle Eastern or part-middle eastern girls. An Indian friend of mine just started dancing- being young, pretty, and exotic, she BANKS. I think the diversity of our dancers really helps bring in all kinds of customers. It works very well.

That is diversity, and I can totally see why your club is doing well. Alot of clubs think that in hiring "to many" of one thing will change the clubs layout. That isn't true at all. All men don't come into the club to see blonde hair and blue eyes. Some come for the Brunettes, the red heads, asian girls, black girls, etc. My club only has 1 yes one BLACK GIRL (ding ding ding, that would be me ::)) and 2 asian girls. What sorta diversity is that?! I cant' work 7 days a week to meet the fantasies of every man who come into the club specifically for a girl like me, so their should be more.

I often get black, latino, and indian customers who tell me they are happy that I'm there because they are usually so uncomfortable being the only people of color out there. "tell me about it" is what I say lol...

Tina
03-24-2006, 02:16 PM
The only reason I mentioned college aged "white" girls wasn't to really be racial, but to mention that when you go into a lot of clubs nowadays that's ALL you see. Club managers and owners seem to think that young white girls is all customers want to see. Are they really that stupid?

I wasn't mentioning that clubs need to hire a busload of black girls. If you read through my post, you'll find the words BALANCE and TRAINING. If the clubs were full of college aged, untrained, Mexican, Asian, or Black girls, the club would be in the same bad situation.

You have many many types of customers who come into clubs on a daily basis. One type of girl won't suit everyone. There are different types of dancers WITHIN a single race. In CK's club just because she's black does she satisfy everyones tastes who likes women of color?

Don't some men like women that are maybe a 38-27-38 over girls who are 34DD 22-32? Some men might prefer the latter and not the former.Don't some men like older dancers, no matter what race, who are well kept and articulate, as they go to the clubs for converastion as well as dances?

A DJ can also keep balance in the club by announcing CONSTANTLY that he tries to play all genres of music to appeal to all the customers in the club, and also let the club patrons know over his mike constantly that the club prides itself in being non prejudiced and hiring all different types of women to appeal to different mens tastes.

Having waitresses in the club who are in matching themed outfits and low heels, and who give excellent service and are EXTREMELY friendly to the customers would do a lot to make guys feel comfortable.

Clubs have become too much of a hustle, and young unknowledgeable dancers brought in by the busloads who see the men as jerks and who are only dancing because they think big bucks are there to be made, is a HUGE problem.

What's up with all the cones around the close up spaces in big city clubs to indicate valet parking. Why the fuck do you need valet parking in parking lots which in many cases are smaller than the ones at your local corner Walgreens?

Lot's of guys feel clubs have become too much of a hustle and have become too greedy. Clubowners just don't get it.

TaraDoll
03-24-2006, 02:24 PM
Yeah I've seen a little change in my money, but then when I think that I'll pull in a really good night. It all just depends. But yes, to me there is a change. The economy is pretty low right now and as crazy as it may sounds some guys prefer to pay their bills rather than go to a titty bar?? Who knew? lol

Lysondra
03-24-2006, 05:00 PM
No, you gotta come back, we never even got to hang out :-[



Yes, I've had customers tell me that before. His exact words, "wow! You're so pretty for a colored girl" >:(

Yes, the shit does still get said, and alot of times customers think they are complimenting me. They aren't! I dont want to hear "wow, you're so pretty for a black girl" or bs like that...grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


I don't say "Wow you're so pretty for a coloured girl" but when I see a lovely dark girl I say, "You're so pretty, I love your skin tone!"

Is that okay? o.O;

dlabtot
03-24-2006, 05:07 PM
as crazy as it may sounds some guys prefer to pay their bills rather than go to a titty bar?? Who knew? lol

Yeah that does sound crazy... where are these guys priorities? Don't they know they might die in their sleep tonight?

exotisch23
03-24-2006, 05:28 PM
You are a rarity my dear. I am a rarity at my club too. Alot of our peers (18-mid 20's) cannot hold a conversation AT ALL with older gentlemen. No matter how cute you are, some men do actually like conversation, and alot of the girls at my club just can't give it to them...no matter how hard they try.


so true!! I had a guy like this last night, I was commenting about how beautiful a dancer on stage was & he goes on to tell me about how he'd rather have a nice conversation with a girl than stare at a naked one on stage or get a lap dance, of course he ended up getting dances with me but that's because I chatted him up for a bit first. But when I first asked him for a dance, he was like, "I'd rather just pay you to talk."

Pure
03-25-2006, 03:20 PM
IMO, college age white girls somtimes posses an air of entitlement and that can spill over into work. These girls see faces that look like them on Maxim magazine, the O.C, Laguna beach... whatever and can sometimes have the attitude of "I'm hot, I'm whats popular...customers should just throw money at me".There is not a good work ethic there.That said ,let me restate that I am not saying all are like this but it's my observation.

Tina
03-25-2006, 04:25 PM
I also think that the conservative political climate in this country coupled with conservative media = prominent businessmen seen patronizing strip clubs is detrimental to their careers.

A lot of target customers who have money to spend seem more worried about being seen in a strip club or what being seen there by the wrong person can do to their careers/marriage. In the 90's going to a strip club was hip and cool for middleaged men. Now being seen there can be reason for termination or resignation from a job.

All you see on TV and read in the paper is moralistic crap. The conservative takeover of this country is causing a lot of older men to feel guilty, although I do think the incall and escort businesses, since they are discreet are doing well.

CallieErotica
03-26-2006, 09:41 PM
hmmm, I just talked to a few bouncers at my club and our rumors were true.... the last 4 weeks our income on credit has been the worst in the clubs 15 year history... what gives??

anabella
03-26-2006, 09:42 PM
I guess I must be working in an unusual club, but black girls clean up in our club. We don't have a lot of black girls, I think we could definitely use a couple more, but I think that benefits the girls who are there. They profit not just because of their skin color but because they are also good at selling. Our club is all about hustling, no one makes shit on stage. If you make 15 dollars for two songs that's above average, hence why top-selling girls don't even go on stage anymore.

Back to the original topic, money varies day to day and girl to girl. On one Wednesday I made 200 while some veterans couldn't even pay house, the next night I left with 50 dollars while brand new girls made 300, and the next night everyone made at least 300-400. You never know which nights will be good, which is why you have to spread yourself out.

Paris
03-27-2006, 04:30 AM
Gosh, I wish I worked at the same club from one year to another, so I could track my earnings by comparing apples to apples.

But for me my lowest earning month every year since 1999 is March. My highest earning months every year are May and July tied for first (within $100 for the whole month) and November running a close second to those two.

We have had a particularlly long winter this year, with record high heating costs. Also Fuel is $0.49 per gallon higher than last year at this time. Add to that tax season, a stale real estate market and increasing interest rates and people are just feeling really pinched.

On the up side the stock markets are strong and making a nice comeback for the first time in six years. People will begin to feel a little more comfortable with their investment earning, even CDs of 6 months and under can be had for as much as 5% interest. This will effect the spending habits of businessmen, and they will be returning to shower their favorite dancer with money soon.

Ladies, you will see a shift in your customer base, as the real estate investors (and the people who work with/for them) will tighten their belts, and the guys that perfer the stock market start feeling flush again. Personally, I plan on working around resort areas in the near future, as day traders can be anywhere, and are more likely in pleasent enviroments with great golf courses!

Alexis81
03-27-2006, 07:44 AM
I know where you are all coming from. I was having a great Dec/Jan/Feb and I thought things were finally looking up then, starting March 1 my money went to nothing, literally. I went from averaging $1000-1500 a week working fulltime dayshift to being lucky if I average $400 a week (mainly thanks to my regulars). I'm working at a different club over in Tampa this week so maybe that will help me out a little bit (i hit the burnout point at my old club so I need to start bouncing around again). I'm really nervous about after working there last Thursday. They don't have a pole and I looked like a complete a$$ up on stage but anyway thats a different topic completely. ugh. If any tampa dancers know any good clubs on that side of the bay please let me know.

pipermarau
04-11-2006, 01:07 AM
i've noticed things going down hill since mid december. they have yet to pick up at my club. if i could travel i would but i'm stuck here for now :(

red red red
04-12-2006, 05:10 PM
Philly's been okay for me, too. Not awesome, and lots of girls bitching... but okay, and do-able, and fairly consistently so.

daphnecat
04-19-2006, 11:12 AM
It's been bad here also,I've been coming in early a couple hours before the night shift begins and staying until 3 am to compensate. :P