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gypsy_girlchild
04-20-2006, 03:34 PM
Now I have a sub question..

For the Ladies who have had guys cum while they preformed, either lap dancing or other wise.

Most men wear underwear, briefs have a double layer, then the slacks the "gentlemen"are wearing. That's two or three layers of clothing.

How do you know the guy really cum in his pants?

I'm thinking of fakes orgasms here. I can moan, shiver, pass out in my beer faking an orgasm.

Evidence please... :P
If I can feel it I know it happened, obvious evidence..
Or when the well-endowed custy, yep they are out there, gets smaller soon after his "explosive" sigh.. I know it..
Then again, sometimes I don't really care to find out.. If I think he has come I will move off of him and either give an air dance or sit next to him. Many guys don't want us to continue rubbing (I learned this with my boy friends) and frankly I don't want to continue rubbing after they are done.

PhotographerGene
04-21-2006, 08:37 AM
With me, he splooged while I wasn't on his lap, and then when my ass brushed his lap, it was wet and sticky.

Do you think he failed to wear his underwear? On purpose?

skanklover
04-21-2006, 10:01 AM
ladies and gentlemen isn't the purpose of a grinding lap dance sexual stimulation? Many of you girls dont feel your doing your job if a guy doesn't get hard, but if he pops he's a disgusting PL? What industry do you think stripping is? And I know, NOT the sexual gratification industry. The original poster is one of the lucky patrons who met a girl who gets guys off that WANT to. And lets face it we all want to, its just some guys dont get as turned on with some girls ass in there face. Sure its disgusting and disrespectful to take sexual advantage of an unwilling particapant...but then again I have had many many dancers grab my cock while asking for a drink...and YES in very upscale clubs...whats the message there? Are they being disrespectful of me by sending the wrong message of the services? Even Yekfah stated above that she too took advantage of high milage in a club...so guys are pigs for doing the same? And please remember girls blowing your load has nothing to do with how much ass you get, its a response to stimulation...either we are or we're not stimulated...and when we are, and stop thinking about baseball for a moment or whatever techniques we have a aquired to be "gentelmen", the girl stops talking so we can get into the fantasy she is supposedly selling, once in a while the ending is "happy", at least for us. For the dancer though, I can see the real problem, we are no longer a target to be hustled, the cork has been popped and the party is over.

cinammonkisses
04-21-2006, 10:47 AM
ladies and gentlemen isn't the purpose of a grinding lap dance sexual stimulation? Many of you girls dont feel your doing your job if a guy doesn't get hard, but if he pops he's a disgusting PL? What industry do you think stripping is?

Hmmm I guess that's why I decide to give no-contact dances ;)

yoda57us
04-21-2006, 11:24 AM
I can see the real problem, we are no longer a target to be hustled, the cork has been popped and the party is over.

For the dancers I know who practice "cork popping" it's a sticky situation.

You can make the guy pop in two songs if you want to. He'll be happy and hopefully come back often to see you. If you drag it out and make it take four or five songs he may look for another dancer who can get him off more quickly.

OTOH: You can purr in his ear, make all kinds of fake "I'm enjoying this too" noises and and keep a guy on the edge for five or six songs, maybe even a trip to the VIP room.

OK, I know these guys are not your ideal customers ladies but they are out there and somebody somewhere is making a lot of money off of them.

Different strokes for different fokes.

Yekhefah
04-21-2006, 01:57 PM
Do you think he failed to wear his underwear? On purpose?

I don't think so. He was just some poor geeky kid that never gets near a woman.

Then again, all the guys who I know (well enough to know about their underwear) go commando. I don't have any male friends who wear underwear on a regular basis.

Tara Nicole
04-21-2006, 02:30 PM
do you expect it to happen sometimes.

I've become a regular at a club, always getting dances from the same girl. I usually get three or four dances in private from her and she always makes me cum, just from the intense friction of her dancing. The first time it happened she told me, "Not everyone here can handle that so be careful with the other dancers." As I said I've only been going to see her so this hasn't happened with other dancers, of course. And it's never happened with any other dancer in the past.

So I'm just wondering what some of you might think about this. Does it bother you? Do you expect it?

Do I expect it, absolutely not ! What do I think about it ? I think it's gross and would be very upset if any man other than my man's cum was anywhere near or on me.

On a positive note at least she warned you that the other dancers in her club would react badly to your having an orgasm during a lapdance.

Also I suggest some mental and penis strength training for you so you don't cum so easily. Trust me that any future lovers you may have will appreciate it ;)

Djoser
04-21-2006, 02:52 PM
I don't think so. He was just some poor geeky kid that never gets near a woman.

Then again, all the guys who I know (well enough to know about their underwear) go commando. I don't have any male friends who wear underwear on a regular basis.

You are psychic, Yekhefah--I was just telling someone here in a PM how tempted I have been to start a new thread that partially concerns this. I've been thinking of doing this for quite a while now, I think it would be quite amusing.

For reasons I'm not going into here, and not yet, there can be drawbacks to going commando--not really having anything to do with getting a hardon or getting dances, either.

Now, as to whether all guys go to strip clubs because they want to get off--not always the case, and not a good trend, anyway. Unless you like the idea of stripclubs being whorehouses. A lot of guys do, but most dancers don't.

And how could anyone expect that a woman who wasn't turned on by a guy would actually like getting his semen on her? That's not putting yourself in the dancer's shoes, for sure...

Yekhefah
04-21-2006, 03:00 PM
My concern with customer orgasm isn't the orgasm - I would be flattered by that in some cases - but the semen. That stuff spreads disease. Keep it to yourself, please. I don't want chlamydia or AIDS for a tip.

Jenny
04-21-2006, 03:30 PM
My concern with customer orgasm isn't the orgasm - I would be flattered by that in some cases - but the semen. That stuff spreads disease. Keep it to yourself, please. I don't want chlamydia or AIDS for a tip.

Well, I can't imagine many girls would be thrilled with actually getting the semen ON them. But really, most guys don't have that much ejaculate. Whatever it says in Penhouse Letters notwithstanding, the average guy has about 20 mL of cum. Not gallons. Assuming that he is wearing undergarments and... well, you know, overgarments there really shouldn't be a lot of seepage.

As for the "self-control" issue. I don't really understand that. I'm sitting on the guy's lap, naked, moving around in a way that is MEANT to stimulate him. I'm not going to pissy afterwards because it did. Unless he is not wearing appropriate garments and it DOES get on me. Because you know THAT is not an accident.

Yekhefah
04-21-2006, 03:32 PM
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If he gets off, that's his own business, but I don't want to feel anything wet and/or sticky anywhere on my skin.

gypsy_girlchild
04-21-2006, 03:35 PM
You know, I know that I am stimulating the guy, and yes that's my job.. BUT i am not trying to excite ejaculation. It is stimulation, it's an experience and it's a lap dance. I want him to enjoy himself and if he comes, fine. BUT where does it say that we have to be okay getting it on us? That's not part of the dance. It's also not a common occurence for me so when it does happen, I am polite, but I am not pleased.. Just like they are supposed to keep their friend in their pants, they need to keep their cum as well.
I promise that I have never been rude to nor made a customer feel bad about an "accident". But I tend to resist giving more dances to the guy. He's not my lover, I shouldn't have to worry about having his jizz on my body or clothes.

Jenny
04-21-2006, 03:44 PM
I fully agree, honey. The ejaculate, like the penis, should stay INSIDE the pants. Guys really should take whatever steps are necessary to ensure that this happens. It is an onerous task, I know, wearing underpants.

And like I said - if it gets on you, the guy KNOWS what he is doing. (Or he is a freak of nature. But this is unlikely. Freakishly unlikely, even). He has dressed, deliberately, in such a manner so that he knows his cum will get on you. That is just impolite in my opinion. Whereas the actual ejaculation is just normal biological function.

FBR
04-21-2006, 04:15 PM
I fully agree, honey. The ejaculate, like the penis, should stay INSIDE the pants. Guys really should take whatever steps are necessary to ensure that this happens. It is an onerous task, I know, wearing underpants.

And like I said - if it gets on you, the guy KNOWS what he is doing. (Or he is a freak of nature. But this is unlikely. Freakishly unlikely, even). He has dressed, deliberately, in such a manner so that he knows his cum will get on you. That is just impolite in my opinion. Whereas the actual ejaculation is just normal biological function.

You guys live with it every day, but it seems to me that the customer described above doesnt necessarily dress with the intent of getting his fluids on you...its just that he doesnt care if he does. Ive mentioned before the custie that is an everyday regular at my club. He wears the sweatpants or the basketball shorts (sans underwear of course) simply to maximize his stimulation. His rep is well established, mangement doesnt seem to care and all the dancers know him and his style and complain amongst themselves behind his back. Yet he's flocked as soon as he walks in the door because he makes what I spend look like chump change.

FBR

Djoser
04-21-2006, 04:36 PM
I have dated many women who either complained or laughed about it happening, depending on their mood and general attitude. In my mind they weren't in any way to be considered prostitutes. However, in the eyes of mainstream society, they might be, especially if they invited it (which none of them had, specifically). They were almost invariably taken by surprise.

Without necessarily making a moral judgement on the issue, it would seem to me to be quite apparent that if guys are going to stripclubs with the specific intent to bust a nut, they are pushing the conception of 'stripclub as house of prostitution' that much closer to reality.

Even if the dancer they choose has no intention of being his means of orgasm, since she didn't know this was his intent. So you have a guy who has paid to get off, and a dancer who never intended to get him off, but is nonetheless going to be considered a prostitute by mainstream society, both legally and in the sense of being morally wrong (which latter I disagree with).

As I have said before, I think prostitution should be legalized, and really have nothing against the dancers I work with who give extras, unless they ruin the stage show.

But it's a very bad trend for dancers who don't want to either 1) be considered as prostitutes, legally or in the eyes of society, or 2) don't particularly want to be pressured to give up extras, or have guys coming to them with the specific intent of busting a nut (especially if it gets on them).

If you don't like the idea of your stripclub being a whorehouse, you shouldn't encourage guys who want to do this, that's my feeling.

skanklover
04-21-2006, 05:05 PM
I believe that no one should be cum on if they don't want that. Nor should you be felt up or molested or really anything that is outside of your personal limits. Sure accidents do happen but then appologise and tip accordingly, otherwise you deserve and ask kicking.

Djoser
04-21-2006, 05:23 PM
Oh, they're out there, alright--including, quite possibly, some of them in my club, lol...

I'm really not claiming moral high ground in any way--after all, if the women I work with are prostitutes, this makes me a pimp, not something I particularly admire, in spite of all the current male worship of the word.

Being a pimp is sure as shit no better than being a prostitute, in my mind. Actually, it's worse, and while I don't view prostitution as being morally wrong, being a pimp comes much closer to it--especially as it is done in the street. They feed off the women.

I just see the deliberate intent to orgasm in a stripclub as a dangerous trend, that's all...

Phil-W
04-21-2006, 06:00 PM
I just see the deliberate intent to orgasm in a stripclub as a dangerous trend, that's all...

It's part of a general trend for things to get ever more explicit. When I first saw strippers in the UK nigh on 30 years ago, the knickers came off in thelast 30 seconds of the act, and it was full frontal only. Then it became slowly more gynocological and the degree of contact increased as well.

Part of the strip-tease experience is the shock factor, and as nudity becomes more mainstream, then things have to become more explicit to give the erotic stimuli.

I'll bet the older dancers on this board can chart how they were gradually required to go further and further to keep up with the trend.

Phil.

Djoser
04-21-2006, 06:07 PM
Well, there has always been a certain amount of contact in some of the clubs, and some clubs back in the Day had secret private rooms, etc.

But overall, there's no question that contact, and now 'the achieving of orgasm' is on the rise, and is way more common than it was years ago. I can't really blame some of the guys for liking it, exactly, and I have friends who feel this way.

What I see, every fucking night, is the toll it takes on the clean dancers, and it's not pretty.

Phil-W
04-21-2006, 06:45 PM
What I see, every fucking night, is the toll it takes on the clean dancers, and it's not pretty.

Snap in the UK. I know a fair few dancers in the London area and pick up a number of them from the varying strip venues. You often get 2 - 4 dancers working a shift, with private dances available.

In general it's the higher mileage dancers that make the money from the PD's, leaving the low mileage dancers with a dilemma. Do they walk away with poor earnings, or do they compete?

As one said to me recently when she was rostered with a dancer known to allow a high degree of contact: "How do I compete with that, and if I do, how do I feel the next morning".

The underlying problem is that a higher degree of contact is becoming the norm. This makes it difficult for the dancers who want to keep the degree of contact low. After all, if you can get a high contact dance, will the average custy pay the same for a low contact one?

Personally, I'm quite happy with a low contact environment, cos then it's erotic entertainment in the literal meaning of the word. Unfortunately, the times they are a changing and people seem to want more than just entertainment.

Phil.

onlythebest
04-21-2006, 07:13 PM
It's part of a general trend for things to get ever more explicit. When I first saw strippers in the UK nigh on 30 years ago, the knickers came off in thelast 30 seconds of the act, and it was full frontal only. Then it became slowly more gynocological and the degree of contact increased as well.

Part of the strip-tease experience is the shock factor, and as nudity becomes more mainstream, then things have to become more explicit to give the erotic stimuli.

I'll bet the older dancers on this board can chart how they were gradually required to go further and further to keep up with the trend.

Phil.

I'm one of those older dancers that has not waivered at all in the way I dance and deliver private/table/lap dances.The last thing I want to do is do what's trendy.


Personally, I'm quite happy with a low contact environment, cos then it's erotic entertainment in the literal meaning of the word. Unfortunately, the times they are a changing and people seem to want more than just entertainment.

Phil.

I'm glad you personally feel this way,and you are correct in the latter part of the second part of this post.It's up to us as dancers to stand our ground,not give into the madness and maintain a standard.

Djoser
04-22-2006, 12:13 AM
Personally, I'm quite happy with a low contact environment, cos then it's erotic entertainment in the literal meaning of the word.

Now that, I can relate to.

I wish I could buy you a drink, my friend, you have style...

PhotographerGene
04-22-2006, 09:13 AM
You know, I know that I am stimulating the guy, and yes that's my job. BUT where does it say that we have to be okay getting it on us?

But I tend to resist giving more dances to the guy. He's not my lover, I shouldn't have to worry about having his jizz on my body or clothes.

That ^ is an excellent answer and attitude to have.

yoda57us
04-22-2006, 10:19 AM
It's up to us as dancers to stand our ground,not give into the madness and maintain a standard.

I agree completely OTB. The clubs in Providence that now feature boob and kitty fondling in the dance area and BJ's and Full Service in the private booths where not like that ten or fifteen years ago.

Guys who ask for extras, grab a girl's breasts or expect a grind to completion are a pain in the ass and no girl's favortite customer. However, at some point, some dancers started allowing this behavior, some even encourage it, in an attempt to make more money than the girls who wouldn't allow the same sort of contact. Like it or not, we as customers are ordering from a menu that dancers (not all dancers) created, for better or worse.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong. I accept a dancer's limits at all times. I'm also not going to judge what any woman does support herself and her family. To do so would be rather hypocritial of me since I willingly take full advantage of whatever opportunities present themselves both in and out of strip clubs.

My point is the dancer calls the tune, not the customer. Every dancer has to make the decision about how far she is willing to go to make a living in this business. It's a very personal decision that, unfortunately, effects co-workers both in your club and, in one way or another, clubs everywhere.

Djoser
04-22-2006, 01:36 PM
...My point is the dancer calls the tune, not the customer.

You wrote a great post, and it's pretty much true--but what you aren't quite seeing is the nature, the frequency, and the intensity of the pressure these women get all night, every night, from many customers a night--all of them wanting more than the dancer might want to give up.

I see it quite clearly, since I have to deal with pissed off dancers all night, every night, lol--and they are sick and tired of getting the pressure.

Now you are thinking "dammit, Djoser, we agree, now please shut up already!", lol...

but the fact of the matter is, over time, this pressure works on some of the dancers, and they see how much more the BJ girls, or whoever, is making.

And they start giving up more, too...

So it's maybe a bit more of a two way street than you might imagine. But basically, I agree with you.

yoda57us
04-22-2006, 03:18 PM
but the fact of the matter is, over time, this pressure works on some of the dancers, and they see how much more the BJ girls, or whoever, is making.

And they start giving up more, too...

So it's maybe a bit more of a two way street than you might imagine. But basically, I agree with you.

I have no argument with anything you are saying. I'm not exposed to it every night like you are but I've probably been going to clubs and talking to and befriending dancers since before you hit puberty (ok, I feel old now) and, really not much has changed in the last 20 years or so. Before private booths and lapdances the pressure was to see who would diddle guys under the table and who wouldn't, or who would go back to a guy's hotel and who wouldn't.

I'm not arguing that the pressure doesn't exist, merely pointing out that somebody had to start giving in at some point and it obviosly wasn't the customers who caved.

It is most definitely a two way street now but I've seen it evolve and, at every intersection, it was a certain segment of the dancer population that yielded in the name of making money more easily. Over the years it's come to the point where, in some situations it's a question of making any money at all. I'm not applying blame, just providing historical reference.

I applaud any lady with the patience, self-confidence and determination to just say no and make money the old fashioned way. It's obviously easier to do this in some venues than in others and it's easier for some dancers than for others.

Djoser
04-22-2006, 07:36 PM
Hey, that picture is five years old--and it's time to change it--as soon as I get a digital camera, I will.

Kathleen liked it, and she wouldn't bullshit me, lol, so it's not that far off--but I do look 5 years older, and since I'm a vampire, I'm a lot older than I look. Since I get far more attention now than I did when I was a puppy dog, I'm not complaining about it.

But my puppy dog days are far behind me, lol. So I don't know how old you are, but don't be so sure about that puberty thing...

It is a two way street, but ultimately, if the dancers give it up, they are giving it up, plain and simple. You are so right about that.

onlythebest
04-22-2006, 07:43 PM
Regardless of how much pressure the clean dancer gets,she's not going to sell out on her values and beliefs and start making money the way everyone else is doing.Not all dancers will succumb to the pressure.I know I sure as Hell will never.

unbeleavable
04-22-2006, 08:21 PM
It would definitely bother me if I was sitting next to you.That sould be done in private & take more than someone brushing up against you.

yoda57us
04-22-2006, 08:29 PM
But my puppy dog days are far behind me, lol. So I don't know how old you are, but don't be so sure about that puberty thing...


Dj: I'm 48, been visiting strip clubs since I was in my mid 20's. The more things change the more they stay the same...

yoda57us
04-22-2006, 08:34 PM
Regardless of how much pressure the clean dancer gets,she's not going to sell out on her values and beliefs and start making money the way everyone else is doing.Not all dancers will succumb to the pressure.I know I sure as Hell will never.

OTB: I agree with you. Even in the worst clubs I've been in a clean dancer with the right attitude and personality can do well. It doesn't hurt to be good lookin' too...obviously you've got all the bases covered! ;)

(OK, second shameless OTB suck-up post for today, I can't stop at just one)

onlythebest
04-22-2006, 08:43 PM
OTB: I agree with you. Even in the worst clubs I've been in a clean dancer with the right attitude and personality can do well. It doesn't hurt to be good lookin' too...obviously you've got all the bases covered! ;)

(OK, second shameless OTB suck-up post for today, I can't stop at just one)

Oh Yoda,stop it.

On second thoughts,go on......:P

Phil-W
04-23-2006, 06:37 AM
Regardless of how much pressure the clean dancer gets,she's not going to sell out on her values and beliefs and start making money the way everyone else is doing.Not all dancers will succumb to the pressure.I know I sure as Hell will never.

I think the key words are "not all". If the rents due, and you need another $100 to pay it, and you know that doing an extra will give you the $'s, it's a terrible pressure to be under.


Guys who ask for extras, grab a girl's breasts or expect a grind to completion are a pain in the ass and no girl's favortite customer. However, at some point, some dancers started allowing this behavior, some even encourage it, in an attempt to make more money than the girls who wouldn't allow the same sort of contact.

That said, it's down to the venue to keep things honest. Unfortunately, venues are interested in profit, and if extras being available puts more $'s on the bottom line, then they'll allow them.


The clubs in Providence that now feature boob and kitty fondling in the dance area and BJ's and Full Service in the private booths were not like that ten or fifteen years ago.

Personally 'boob and kitty fondling, BJ's and Full Service' have no attraction for me. No matter what the girl says to you, you can have a pretty good guess at her real thought processes: "God, I hope this loser comes soon, so I can get off home and do something really important like cooking my supper".

That's about the best de-eroticising stimuli I can think of.

Phil.

onlythebest
04-23-2006, 08:00 AM
I think the key words are "not all". If the rents due, and you need another $100 to pay it, and you know that doing an extra will give you the $'s, it's a terrible pressure to be under. Phil.

That's a really f*cked up thing to say.I'm not about to sell my soul for rent or anything else.I bet you're one of those predators that looks for these "extras" girls to exploit your sick fantasies on.You are way out of line for saying this.

Phil-W
04-23-2006, 08:15 AM
That's a really f*cked up thing to say.I'm not about to sell my soul for rent or anything else.I bet you're one of those predators that looks for these "extras" girls to exploit your sick fantasies on.You are way out of line for saying this.

OTB, you've misread my words. The point I'm trying to make is that there will always be pressure on dancers to go further than they are comfortable doing and one of those pressures is economic. There will always be dancers forced to go further than they wish for this reason, and who deeply regret it the next morning. It's a fact of life.

In case you think I was referring to you personally; I wasn't - and my apologies if you thought I was.

As to my personal attutude, I refer you to the end of my previous post, which I requote.


Personally 'boob and kitty fondling, BJ's and Full Service' have no attraction for me.

Phil.

onlythebest
04-23-2006, 08:24 AM
Phil,I'm glad I misread you.I would have hated to have thought I read that correctly,know what I mean???

Thanks.

Phil-W
04-23-2006, 12:11 PM
Phil,I'm glad I misread you.I would have hated to have thought I read that correctly,know what I mean???

Thanks.

No problem - we all misunderstand each other sometimes. I'll try and pick my words with more precision next time. Glad we're friends again.

Phil.

yoda57us
04-23-2006, 04:45 PM
Personally 'boob and kitty fondling, BJ's and Full Service' have no attraction for me. No matter what the girl says to you, you can have a pretty good guess at her real thought processes: "God, I hope this loser comes soon, so I can get off home and do something really important like cooking my supper".

That's about the best de-eroticising stimuli I can think of.

Phil.

I'd be inclined to agree with you Phil but the guys that just reach out and grab obviosly don't see it that way. Actually, I'd be willing to bet these guys wouldn't appreciate a truly erotic moment if it bit them in the ass.

Gia2608
04-24-2006, 03:24 PM
It freaks out some girls but it's better than cumming on the couch!

bianka
04-25-2006, 07:07 PM
ewww. i wouldn't like that .

Casual Observer
04-25-2006, 07:27 PM
However, at some point, some dancers started allowing this behavior, some even encourage it, in an attempt to make more money than the girls who wouldn't allow the same sort of contact. Like it or not, we as customers are ordering from a menu that dancers (not all dancers) created, for better or worse.

Now there's a truth that way too many dancers refuse to acknowledge.

<S> Yoda

PhotographerGene
04-26-2006, 08:57 AM
It freaks out some girls but it's better than cumming on the couch!

I can think of ONE other place that would have decades of impact on a dancers life.

Jenny
04-26-2006, 09:56 AM
You guys live with it every day, but it seems to me that the customer described above doesnt necessarily dress with the intent of getting his fluids on you...its just that he doesnt care if he does.
You know, knowledge and recklessness still count as intent. I mean the guy knows his fluids are getting on us, he knows it is unhygenic, unsafe and unpleasant and does it anyway - the fact that he is doing it for another reason doesn't vitiate the jerkiness of that guy. Like if burglar pays a guy $200 to drive a getaway car. The guy COULD say "but it's not that I wanted to help him get away - I just wanted the two hundred bucks." Either scenario is not convincing.


Ive mentioned before the custie that is an everyday regular at my club. He wears the sweatpants or the basketball shorts (sans underwear of course) simply to maximize his stimulation. His rep is well established, mangement doesnt seem to care and all the dancers know him and his style and complain amongst themselves behind his back. Yet he's flocked as soon as he walks in the door because he makes what I spend look like chump change.
FBR
That's interesting, and have I ever danced for a guy like that? Yes. And although I might approach him last, I would probably do it again. Keep in mind that I don't have a problem with maximizing stimulation - I do have a problem when guys are full out poking me in the crotch with their penis. This does not happen through jeans, and it is full out gross, and I can't give a good dance with that. Ladies - raise hands. Who can actually grind (those of you who don't grind, just imagine) on a penis that is... you know, up there, poking you? From me, at least, you get a less good dance just because of pure logistics.

Before anyone says "well some girls do" keep in mind that you are the same guys who keep telling me that girls also have full penetrative sex for the cost of a lapdance. Still strikes me a really strange thing to do.


Guys who ask for extras, grab a girl's breasts or expect a grind to completion are a pain in the ass and no girl's favortite customer. However, at some point, some dancers started allowing this behavior, some even encourage it, in an attempt to make more money than the girls who wouldn't allow the same sort of contact. Like it or not, we as customers are ordering from a menu that dancers (not all dancers) created, for better or worse. Okay, I'm not an economics person, and frankly, I don't generally care for those who are (they have bad attitudes); but isn't it generally considered kind of naive to insist on the existence of only a supplier driven market?

Edited (no content changes) to add Yoda as the source of Jennys third quote. As originally written it looked like a quote from me.
FBR

NoCoverLover
04-26-2006, 08:31 PM
OK Yek, I'll keep this post handy, in case you decide to pick on us for trying the same thing! ;D


I think you're right, Jay. In Memphis, male orgasm during a lapdance is apparently SOP.

I was a big fat hypocrite in Memphis, LOL! I went in as a customer and took WAY more mileage than I'd ever give. WTF, they were offering it, I might as well...! I'm just glad the cops didn't come in.

Paris
04-26-2006, 11:10 PM
That's a really f*cked up thing to say.I'm not about to sell my soul for rent or anything else.I bet you're one of those predators that looks for these "extras" girls to exploit your sick fantasies on.You are way out of line for saying this.

I just have to say this... I prefer to be a no contact dancer, and have found that this is not always possible, and still earn enough to pay house fees and tip outs. Try dancing in Seattle or San Francisco or Huston and only offering air dances and see how much you earn. You could have a genius IQ and a perfect 10 looks, but if you won't even sit on a customer's lap, you will make NO MONEY.

I also have to think that you have never been hungry. You probably don't know what it is like going with out a meal for a week involuntarily. You think I didn't know what I was doing for grocery money?? I knew damn well that sleeping with a man I wasn't attracted to would net me big $$. I was too proud to ever visit a soup kitchen for god's sake. Those are for people that don't have the option to exploit men for money. The man get's to sleep with a hot chick and I get to stock up my fridge, keep the lights on, pay my phone bill and basically go on being a productive member of society. I've had really lousy sex for free before, I might as well get paid for my efforts, right?

Sorry, this is totally off topic. I do understand what the extras girls are going through, because I've been there.

Oh, and to the OP, just put on a condom before you buy a dance. You won't usually piss anyone off, and if you have a good poker face, your dancer may never know you popped. ;)

Djoser
04-27-2006, 04:30 AM
Oh, and to the OP, just put on a condom before you buy a dance. You won't usually piss anyone off, and if you have a good poker face, your dancer may never know you popped. ;)

Here we go, a nice, polite solution--and one that will save anyone with a conciousness of how other people might perceive them some embarassment, as well.

BTW, Paris, you rock...

Now tonight at the end of my first shift in a very clean club--relative to the old one, anyway (no BJ's allowed in there, certainly no fucking!), I went into the men's room and there was a torn open condom wrapper in the wastebasket.

I initially thought "Oh fuck, here we go again!", but upon further reflection it occured to me that it could have been used by a guy who didn't want a big jism stain on his pants on the way out the door--or might have actually (gasp!) considered the feelings of his chosen VIP dancer.

And yeah, the guys with smaller dicks can hurt the dancers when they poke up instead of going down the pants leg, so I've been told by several girlfriends.

yoda57us
04-28-2006, 05:36 PM
Okay, I'm not an economics person, and frankly, I don't generally care for those who are (they have bad attitudes); but isn't it generally considered kind of naive to insist on the existence of only a supplier driven market?


Jenny, I'm not an economics person either. I'm not saying that extras are strictly a supplier driven phenomenon. All I'm saying is that, way back at the dawn of time, a dancer, or more than likely a group of dancers, had to say yes for the first extras to start happening. Sure a customer probably asked but the option was and is always there to say no. Things have now escalated to the point where the chicken or egg theory is pretty much a meaningless issue.

rockie
04-29-2006, 08:12 AM
I'm not saying that extras are strictly a supplier driven phenomenon. All I'm saying is that, way back at the dawn of time, a dancer, or more than likely a group of dancers, had to say yes for the first extras to start happening. Sure a customer probably asked but the option was and is always there to say no. Things have now escalated to the point where the chicken or egg theory is pretty much a meaningless issue.

Yoda,
I'm disappointed in you. As a Yoda fan, I thought for sure you were there when this first earth shattering event occurred. Boston's Neil Armstrong in the SC universe. "Another step for mankind!" This is not an age tease, as it's written by a birth year contemporary. For the pinkies, the above is strictly written in jest.

SilverSaturn0
04-29-2006, 12:32 PM
It would really gross me out. I'd even be scared of the guy if he came off a lap dance.

yoda57us
04-30-2006, 07:17 AM
Yoda,
I'm disappointed in you. As a Yoda fan, I thought for sure you were there when this first earth shattering event occurred. Boston's Neil Armstrong in the SC universe. "Another step for mankind!" This is not an age tease, as it's written by a birth year contemporary. For the pinkies, the above is strictly written in jest.

Lol, Rocky, age tease, Nah, there are much older and dirtier guys running around strip clubs than I. Besides, I can say with an absolute clear conscience that I have never asked for an extra. I've rarely turned an offer down but I never ask....