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slogan63
04-06-2006, 01:46 PM
Your post actually made me nauseated. I would get a warning for anything else I want to say, so I'm exiting this conversation. Congratulations on making me sick, slimebag.
Typical, BTW I invite you to ask your friend if the customer getting part of his finger in the dancer's vagina should be classified in the same manner as her assault. See if you logic holds up.
Yekhefah
04-06-2006, 02:42 PM
Thank you for editing your earlier post to clarify your position. Anyway, while some rapes are more brutal than others, they are still rapes. Rape is the sexual PENETRATION of an unwilling person, at least in most of the country. Once you've actually penetrated someone, you've crossed the line between rape and sexual assault.
Deogol
04-06-2006, 05:29 PM
Thank you for editing your earlier post to clarify your position. Anyway, while some rapes are more brutal than others, they are still rapes. Rape is the sexual PENETRATION of an unwilling person, at least in most of the country. Once you've actually penetrated someone, you've crossed the line between rape and sexual assault.
OK - it is time for you to start citing some statutes and case law. The stuff I have cited shows it to be "indecent liberties" in many many states. In other states it is NOT rape.
No matter how bad you want it to be - you need to convince the old fat white men in legislatures that it is rape.
Yekhefah
04-06-2006, 05:38 PM
I was just in the shower thinking about this issue, and I remembered the recent Orange County rape. Three guys at a party slipped a girl GHB and when she passed out, they violated her with a pool stick and other objects. They were convicted of rape.
I've seen several other similar references, but I don't remember where I read everything I ever came across. Do you think that the vermin who drugged a teenage girl and violated her with pool cues and other objects (and videotaped it) should receive the same sentence as a guy who grabs a woman's breast on the bus?
I understand what you guys are saying about the trauma involved in violent rapes, but...
(I'm just full of analogies). It's like this. Say someone broke into your house and stole your TV while you were gone. You were robbed. Now say the next week someone breaks into your friends house in the middle of the night, ties him up and holds him at gunpoint, threatening him while his friends clean out the house. He was robbed too. You're being robbed doesn't suddenly become "not robbed" because his experience was more violent. It's just that in addition to being robbed he was kidnapped/assaulted. Rape is the same way. It's the act of penetration that's considered rape, if the person is physically assaulted/threatened/kidnapped/anything else at the same time, that's an addition to the rape and doesn't invalidate the rape definition of a less violent rape.
Also, about the sexual assault/rape thing. In both states that I've worked in rape crisis/advocacy, sexual assault is the legal term for all rape. It went something like this... sexual assault 5 - unwanted sexual contact; sexual assault 4 - unwanted penetration; sexual assault 3 - unwanted penetration with misdemeanor type physical assault; sexual assault 2 - unwanted penetration with felony type assault; sexual assault 1 - unwanted penetration with physical assualt and forced prostitution, gang rape, sharing with friends, etc.
sunnyfla
04-06-2006, 10:58 PM
I agree with leogirl. a nice hard heel to his balls, even a few if necessary.
leogirl876
04-07-2006, 07:42 AM
I see in many posts there are a lot of different opinions and that's the beauty of freedom to have your own opinion. I think perhaps if the laws were changed (if that's the right word to use) some that made any form of several assault, rape whatever, if the punishment was much harsher and longer jail sentence than what it is. Perhaps a man would think twice about touching a woman inappropriately in any way if they knew they'd facing serious jail time. NOw perhaps in some people's minds groaping a woman's breast to fondling a woman's vagina to actually forcing sexual intercourse are different in the severities. But think if you were that woman and the mental hardship it caused you and how long you'd be mentally and emotionally scarred from it?
About 3.5 yrs ago at a New Year's Eve party, this sick prick slipped GHP in my drink and the next thing I know he was putting his hands all over and in me and I was completely not in control. I remember saying to myself " you need to get up and get out of here" and I couldn't! The drug had paralyzed me. I was so scared and knew he was going to rape me (meaning he was going to force sexual intercourse). Luckily, a friend of mine who was looking for me walked in and got me out of that situation before anything else could happen. No, I didn't take this to court or do anything about it because I didn't want to have to go to court or face anymore of it. I just wanted to put it behind me. BUt after 3.5 yrs, that night still haunts me. I don't think those scars ever completely go away. I don't think about it all the time but it does still bother me. I couldn't imagine what a woman would go through who was raped, meaning he forced sexual intercourse. I think that could seriously affect the rest of her life!
Anyway, my point to this post is I think if the laws were made that would punish every type of sexual assault and made it punishable by jail for several years, maybe the man doing would think twice about doing it. If fingering a woman was considered rape by law and not only would that mean jail time but it would also be on his permanent record, that he'd be known as a rapist, maybe he wouldn't do it or maybe it wouldn't happen as frequently.
For some reason, there are some men out there that think they can touch a woman's body any way they want to. Perhaps these sick, twisted men think they have even more of a right to do it to a dancer because she's naked. I can't even comprehend their thoughts of entitlement of someone else's body. I know if they were to go to jail, they wouldn't like if if some big guy named Bubba made him, his bitch. Other than getting the shit kicked out of them, their balls stomped on, and jail time, I think the best punishment of all is to get paid back in jail by getting raped themselves. Because unless it happens to you, you don't ever completely understand what that feels like and what it does to you mentally and emotionally and how long it takes you to heal from it.
Deogol
04-07-2006, 07:48 AM
^^^ I would think it would be good population control because being charged with rape for "moving to fast" and "copping a feel" would certainly be a deter dating.
Perhaps the thread should move to what is unwanted but not considered rape.
P.S. It is the rapists who do the raping in jail. You can put that fantasy away now because in truth the convicted rapist would probably butt fuck a boy in there busted on a bag of weed - not vice versa.
leogirl876
04-07-2006, 07:59 AM
If the guy wasn't gay, I don't think he'd butt fuck a boy in there. I've heard the most hated people in jail are the rapists and people in jail like to pay them back.
hazeljames
04-07-2006, 05:31 PM
hello all. my day job is working as a sexual assault and domestic violence advocate so i thought id chime in
In oregon forcible penetration by anything other than a penis or mouth is classified as follows:
sexual abuse in the second degree
(1) a person commits the crime of sexual abuse in the second degree when that person subjects another person to sexual intercourse, deviate sexual intercourse or penetration of the vagina, anus or pensi with any object other than the penis or mouth of the actor and the victim does not consent thereto.
(2) sexual abuse in the second degree is a Class C Felony
you could try for an unlawful penetration (rape) charge but most likely it would fly. the above charge most likely would. the DA's here in portland are really good about supporting workers in the sex industry and successfully prosecuting for assualts against them
in NO way is being a dancer implied consent in ANY state. I highly reccommend you look up the local statutes in your area. You can get this info from any local dv/sa crisis line or on the web. its probably good info for any dancer to know just in case.
Amadeus Lacuenta
04-08-2006, 03:10 PM
Thank you for editing your earlier post to clarify your position. Anyway, while some rapes are more brutal than others, they are still rapes. Rape is the sexual PENETRATION of an unwilling person, at least in most of the country. Once you've actually penetrated someone, you've crossed the line between rape and sexual assault.
I have to agree with Yekhefah here... a person can be raped with a broom, a gun, a fist, and a penis equally.
We have to remember that rape is an act of violence, not of passion. Therefore, anything that forcibly penetrates is an act of violence, one pf penetration, rape being of both those things. Follow the strain of logic and it leads to rape.
About your friend, I almost cried right after I read that. People say humans are different than the animals because we cry/laugh/use tools, but all of that is wrong anyway. The only difference I see between people and animals are things like torture.
:(
Yekhefah
04-08-2006, 04:32 PM
Actually, other animals torture and perpetrate senseless violence as well. We're not unique.