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fancygirl
06-05-2006, 01:25 PM
-whistles- wow on that article. It's not really all that surprising since a lot of girls on different campuses act like that, but the fact that the Lacrosse players and fraternity guys get any chick regardless of what the guy looks like...that's something unusual, in my opinion. At least, to have it so across the board.
And it's sad about the smart women knowing they're smart, and yet allowing themselves to have shitty bf's just because said boyfriend is one of the Core Four.
But I couldn't believe the ignorance: it seems a lot of the females trust the lacrosse players in the case because the alternative is to trust a STRIPPER, but then someone is quoted in the article as being surprised that there's a taboo anymore about hiring strippers. ummm, you can't have it both ways.
And the part about "these guys don't need to stoop that low to get some sex" (not a direct quote) um....rape is about power ladies. ya'all need to take a course on sexual politics, sexual power, self-defense, SOMETHING that could pound this into your heads.
-shakes her head-
francescadubois
06-05-2006, 01:32 PM
Amen, Fancy Girl!!
Melonie
06-10-2006, 04:48 AM
But I couldn't believe the ignorance: it seems a lot of the females trust the lacrosse players in the case because the alternative is to trust a STRIPPER, but then someone is quoted in the article as being surprised that there's a taboo anymore about hiring strippers. ummm, you can't have it both ways.
Unfortunately, as more and more facts see the 'light of day', it would appear that the STRIPPER in question is far from trustworthy.
"Officer's 'omissions' targeted in lacrosse motion
By John Stevenson : The Herald-Sun
[email protected]
Jun 8, 2006 : 10:43 pm ET
DURHAM -- The exotic dancer who has accused three Duke lacrosse players of gang-raping her was drinking while taking medication that night, and had sex with at least four men and a sexual device in the days immediately leading up to the off-campus party, according to court papers filed Thursday.
And despite what Durham police have contended, a medical examination showed no signs of the sort of sexual or physical attack of which the dancer complained, according to the motion filed by defense attorneys for Reade Seligmann.
Among other previously undisclosed details, the motion says the woman at one point accused her female dance partner of helping the lacrosse players rape her and of stealing her money.
And she told one medical staffer she drank at least 44 ounces of beer, and told another she took a powerful muscle relaxant and drank beer before going to the party at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. on March 13.
Lawyers Kirk Osborn and Ernest Conner contend in the motion that police Investigator Benjamin Himan and the Police Department illegally and deliberately withheld those and other details that were damaging to their investigation. "(snip)
"n addition, the dancer told her driver she was "involved in some sexual manner with at least four different men" between March 10 and 12, and she admitted to a physician the next day that "she was drunk and had had a lot of alcohol that night," according to the documents.
The accuser's medical records were among nearly 1,300 pages of documentation defense lawyers got last month from District Attorney Mike Nifong.
Although the records remain sealed to the public, attorneys Osborn and Conner quoted from them extensively in Thursday's paperwork. "(snip)
IMHO this case will wind up doing a great deal of harm to the future trustworthiness / credibility of ALL dancers - as more and more info is now leaking out in regard to the accusing dancer's alleged involvement with sexual promiscuity, drug and alcohol use, lying, stealing, etc. In other words, this high profile case is increasingly making the point in 'mainstream' media that all of the Hollywood Stereotype attributes really do apply to the accusing dancer, and by implication to all other dancers as well !
I also suspect that eventually the Duke Lacrosse Rape case is also going to cause 'rape shield' laws to be weakened, on the basis that the accusing dancer herself has been able to remain anonymous while at the same time being able to 'ruin' the lives and future careers of the accused (and who would otherwise have been sitting in jail for months had they not been able to afford the $400,000 bail !). IMHO either accused rapists are going to also get 'rape shield' protection from general publicity of the charges, or the accusing rape victim is going to lose her current 'rape shield' protection such that her identity can be publicized and her background investigated as soon as she brings charges.
Perhaps most damaging of all, if it does indeed turn out that the District Attorney in the above case used political motivation to suppress 'exonorating' evidence - i.e. that the District Attorney was in effect using black vs white and poor vs rich as an election issue - then other District Attorneys will undoubtedly bear this in mind when other future rape charges come across their desks. This could very well lead to an across the board policy change requiring that any future rape accuser, and particularly any future rape accuser who is a member of a minority or is poor or is a 'stripper', will now be expected to provide 'hard evidence' that a rape actually took place before the DA's office will move forward and bring charges against the accused rapist.
I'm very concerned that if this goes badly for District Attorney Nifong, that in the future if a dancer is raped it will be entirely possible that other District Attorneys will give the rapist the benefit of the doubt unless the dancer can come up with sperm samples + bruises, video tape, or corroborating testimony from a witness who is not associated with a strip club in any way. This has the potential for announcing 'open season' on dancers involved in OTC activities, as well as putting dancers in a more vulnerable position vis-a-vis rape even in non-business related situations. Like bogus club busts, it's very possible that dancers are going to be faced with the prospect of being considered 'guilty until proven innocent' in this legal arena too ... i.e. a new general assumption on the part of DA's and judges that dancers are predisposed to bringing false rape charges against 'customers' or 'short term boyfriends' in an attempt to extort extra money, as a means to satisfy quirky personal drama stemming from
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mark45y
06-10-2006, 09:33 AM
This story mentions a few thing left out of the above story including the vibrator show.
DURHAM -- The exotic dancer who has accused three Duke lacrosse players of gang-raping her was drinking while taking medication that night, and had sex with at least four men and a sexual device in the days immediately leading up to the off-campus party, according to court papers filed Thursday.
And despite what Durham police have contended, a medical examination showed no signs of the sort of sexual or physical attack of which the dancer complained, according to the motion filed by defense attorneys for Reade Seligmann.
Among other previously undisclosed details, the motion says the woman at one point accused her female dance partner of helping the lacrosse players rape her and of stealing her money.
And she told one medical staffer she drank at least 44 ounces of beer, and told another she took a powerful muscle relaxant and drank beer before going to the party at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. on March 13.
Lawyers Kirk Osborn and Ernest Conner contend in the motion that police Investigator Benjamin Himan and the Police Department illegally and deliberately withheld those and other details that were damaging to their investigation.
For example, they say, Himan knew but did not mention in a probable-cause affidavit that two examining physicians said the dancer complained only of vaginal rape, even though some charges in the case are linked to allegations of oral and anal penetration.
Himan also neglected to note that the accuser told one doctor she was not hit and did not complain of any pain, or that she told the sexual assault nurse examiner she was not choked, according to the documents.
That conflicts with statements from police that the woman was kicked, strangled and beaten while being sexually assaulted.
Police officials wouldn't respond Thursday to questions about the documents.
"The Durham Police Department is not commenting on any specifics of the Duke lacrosse case," said police spokeswoman Kammie Michael.
The defense lawyers say the omitted information is critical to the case. Had it been included, they contend, police may not have gotten permission to perform a photo lineup that led to charges against three team members.
As a result, the lineup and any identifications obtained from it should be thrown out, Osborn and Conner argued.
If Himan had been forthcoming in an affidavit seeking the lineup March 23, they said, Superior Court Judge Ron Stephens would have had no legal basis for allowing the photographic identification procedure in the first place.
The new documents come as national media, three months after the alleged attack, continue to zero in on the lacrosse case.
USA Today ran another story Wednesday, Inside Higher Ed had a piece Thursday and the latest edition of the magazine Vanity Fair has an interview with Kim Roberts Pittman, the second dancer at the lacrosse team party. The latest edition of the Duke alumni magazine also features an account of the lacrosse case as its cover story.
The paperwork filed Thursday includes lengthy, handwritten statements from the second dancer and from the alleged victim's "driver," along with insights into the accuser's medical condition on the night in question.
Among numerous revelations, the documents say the alleged victim performed with a vibrator for other spectators before going to the North Buchanan Boulevard house late on March 13.
Defense lawyers said the vibrator, rather than a rape, might have caused "signs or symptoms of vaginal penetration."
In addition, the dancer told her driver she was "involved in some sexual manner with at least four different men" between March 10 and 12, and she admitted to a physician the next day that "she was drunk and had had a lot of alcohol that night," according to the documents.
The accuser's medical records were among nearly 1,300 pages of documentation defense lawyers got last month from District Attorney Mike Nifong.
Although the records remain sealed to the public, attorneys Osborn and Conner quoted from them extensively in Thursday's paperwork.
The other suspects in the case are David Evans, who graduated from Duke in May, and Collin Finnerty, like Seligmann a sophomore at the time of the alleged attack.
All three have claimed innocence and are free under $400,000 bonds as they await further legal developments.
The paperwork filed Thursday largely targeted Himan and omissions he allegedly made in seeking a photo lineup.
After seeing the lineup, the alleged victim said she could identify Seligmann and Finnerty with 100 percent certainty as being among three men who allegedly assaulted her. She said she was 90 pecent certain Evans was among them.
But defense lawyers recently revealed details of an earlier photo lineup in which the woman failed to identify Evans at all.
The lineups reportedly contained only pictures of Duke lacrosse players.
Bridgette
06-10-2006, 11:52 AM
IMHO this case will wind up doing a great deal of harm to the future trustworthiness / credibility of ALL dancers
[snip]
the accusing rape victim is going to lose her current 'rape shield' protection such that .... her background investigated as soon as she brings charges.
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a 'stripper', will now be expected to provide 'hard evidence' that a rape actually took place before the DA's office will move forward and bring charges against the accused rapist.
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that in the future if a dancer is raped it will be entirely possible that other District Attorneys will give the rapist the benefit of the doubt unless the dancer can come up with sperm samples + bruises, video tape, or corroborating testimony from a witness who is not associated with a strip club in any way.
[snip]
a new general assumption on the part of DA's and judges that dancers are predisposed to bringing false rape charges against 'customers' or 'short term boyfriends' in an attempt to extort extra money, as a means to satisfy quirky personal drama stemming from
[email protected]#ked-up sex/drug/alcohol soaked personal lives etc.
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Gee, I thought it was basically that way already. I know rape victims' identity can't be publicized but they most certainly DO use any information possible to discredit her story. If she happened to have discussed having had sex (gasp!) previous to the rape, that seems to be reason enough to believe she's a liar ::) Not to mention that nobody believes we get sexually assaulted in the first place; we're such willing, drug-addled sluts. IMO this crap only serves to solidify all previous shitty notions about us, and confirm to the masses that not only were they right about us all along, but that we deserve exactly what we get in terms of sexual (or other) assault. I don't think it will really change all that much regarding the way a stripper's case might be handled - we already know we're facing an uphill battle AT BEST in such cases; doesn't seem like it will make that much difference in the status quo. Do I sound jaded/cynical yet?
Still, even with the latest "evidence" against the girl (and considering who her alleged attackers are), I am still inclined to wonder who's paying whom to make her look so bad. Nurses, attending physicians, "drivers", all can be bribed fairly readily ya know....
francescadubois
06-10-2006, 02:27 PM
Bridget, you have a good point. I mean, how long are these guys' families' money? Who knows what people will say when you pay them enough (and hell, for a lot of people, it ain't necessarily the largest sum of money either)?
azcustomer
06-10-2006, 03:29 PM
The system unfairly gives those with the best lawyers and most money an advantage. Certainly the boys have a lot more to lose (status of "priviledge") than she does. What is playing out is a sad torture of the gal and her family.
One of the accused's families 'is close with the Bushes'. And one mother runs the LPGA. The 'system', especially the media, goes way out of its way to protect the privacy of the "priviledged" while pulling her through the mud. I'd love to see an investigative reporter have the balls to look into the three families' background - everyone has some leftover dirt in their closet they just can't get rid of.
It sucks.
Vaughn
06-10-2006, 03:53 PM
One of the accused's families 'is close with the Bushes'Really? If that is in fact true that explains alot of things for me but I'll refrain from saying more at this time :-X
I happen to think it would be best for all involved to wait until a court verdict before pasing judgement.
goo321
06-11-2006, 12:57 PM
Still, even with the latest "evidence" against the girl (and considering who her alleged attackers are), I am still inclined to wonder who's paying whom to make her look so bad. Nurses, attending physicians, "drivers", all can be bribed fairly readily ya know....
Really? If that is in fact true that explains alot of things for me but I'll refrain from saying more at this time
I happen to think it would be best for all involved to wait until a court verdict before pasing judgement.May be for the best to wait, but more fun to talk about it now.
You have inside info on Bush family? Please let it not be a vast conspiracy theory.
I realize this is a stripper website, but i think it's now officially entering into denial.
Do you think everyone involved is being bought off?
From what I've seen plenty of the damaging info recently released is from the police reports, including comments from victim and the other dancer.
For me, the three attackers all offered to take lie detector tests from the DA's office. DA refused. One took one anyway and passed.
The other dancer initially said the allegations were a crock and she was with the other dancer for all but five minutes. The victim also allegedly accused other dancer of helping the lacrosse players rape her and of stealing her money.
Credibility to me is tested by the ability to predict the future. The DA claimed the DNA in victim would watch the duke players. It did not.
I think the effects of these type of things are vastly exaggerated. I'm sure in the future any future rape and DA charges will be far more affected by the individual circumstances than a previous duke allegation.
Melonie
06-11-2006, 05:48 PM
I think the effects of these type of things are vastly exaggerated. I'm sure in the future any future rape and DA charges will be far more affected by the individual circumstances than a previous duke allegation.
Allow me to respectfully disagree with this conclusion. I would make the strong case that, if and when a dancer goes to a DA in the future with exactly the same sort of rape accusations and facts as exist in the Duke case, that the future DA will refuse to prosecute due to insufficient 'hard' evidence.
I would further speculate that DA's with future rape cases before them will carefully evaluate the background and lifestyle of the future rape accusers before taking their accusations seriously, such that in the absence of 'smoking gun hard evidence' any rape accuser who has a legally questionable background (among these girls who are 'strippers') are likely to be 'farted off'.
fancygirl
06-11-2006, 06:33 PM
lie detectors aren't status quo in the police departments, from what I remember. They're not proven to be accurate.
But...it does seem like there's a lot of stuff coming up. I'm still thinking there's a chance that the rape took place, but not as much as before. I do think that money can persuade people to change testimony, not necessarily with outright bribes, but just with the thought of what that money could influence in the future.
Now, the drugs and alcohol thing doesn't surprise me in the least. How many people have worked with new girls (especially on their first night, especially going into a party)? I remember one girl who did both muscle relaxants AND alcohol and got fucked up.
We already know from outside witnesses that the party was hostile. Maybe the girl got raped, maybe she didn't. The lack of choking of fight marks doesn't surprise me if she did, IF she was on muscle relaxants and alcohol.
I'm wondering about the testimony of the other dancer. Is it true that she didn't leave the other girl alone for longer than five minutes?
How much of this info is being fed from the Defense to the media to do public spin?
If anything, we do know that there was hateful behavior at the party and we also know that there's a current of hostility that runs through the males at the Duke University (may I remind you of the "killing and skinning the bitches" email?)
If this woman was not raped (and I'm not saying a verdict could establish that, we may never know) or if the verdict is not guilty, it WILL set back rape protection laws and prosecution of rapists by at least a decade, if not more.
But I hope that the silver lining is that Duke University will reign in the sports section of the university and try to root out the type of entitlement that would make rape not such a surprise for us in the dance world.
Edit: I heard about some sort of vaginal insert that was going to be marketed to women in Africa because there's such a high rate of rape. Wasn't it discussed here a few months back? A man would try to insert his penis into the vagina and this insert would grip into his penis with spiney type things? If there's going to be open season (even more so) on dancers, and just regular women on proving rape, then they need to mass produce this item (even though before women on the board were debating about how that would just increase the hostility especially in gang rape situations.)
fancygirl
06-11-2006, 06:39 PM
Allow me to respectfully disagree with this conclusion. I would make the strong case that, if and when a dancer goes to a DA in the future with exactly the same sort of rape accusations and facts as exist in the Duke case, that the future DA will refuse to prosecute due to insufficient 'hard' evidence.
I would further speculate that DA's with future rape cases before them will carefully evaluate the background and lifestyle of the future rape accusers before taking their accusations seriously, such that in the absence of 'smoking gun hard evidence' any rape accuser who has a legally questionable background (among these girls who are 'strippers') are likely to be 'farted off'.
And considering that rape is in a lot of cases premeditated, with men hunting for a prey that fits into a specific category, don't ya'all think that the rapists read the news just like us? They're going to take advantage of this information to target those who wouldn't be believed, and not just dancers but women with drug or psychological issues.
Granted, this is probably already a target population anyways, but think of what a literal "free for all" hunting season it could turn into?
fancygirl
06-11-2006, 07:22 PM
Yeah, what's up with the withdrawn accusation? It is very possible for a woman to be raped more than once in her lifetime, but what were the circumstances of that debacle?
goo321
06-11-2006, 08:14 PM
An article in Essence magazine, based on interviews with the woman's parents, said that the woman reported another gang rape 10 years ago. She filed a report saying three young men beat and raped her three years earlier, when she was 14. Neither she nor the local police followed up on that report.
yes many rumors. who knows?
saw 1 article some while ago speculating about some of the duke players might become prosecution witnesses.
//sad that the biggest fault line by far is race (not including the minority on this site where it is by profession)
Bridgette
06-11-2006, 11:04 PM
Uh, you think the word "stripper" doesn't enter the general public's mind when deciding guilt??? Given the way strippers are perceived by the general public?
I do believe the defense is spinning all they can here.
Melonie
06-12-2006, 10:12 AM
today's news leaks look even 'dirtier' on Nifong's part ... as he has 'coincidentally' approved a motion to have the 'second dancer's' bond revoked from a previous conviction (a previous conviction for what kind of charge was not stated in the news story - but it certainly perpetuates the Hollywood Stereotype of 'strippers'), which if successful will likely send the 'second dancer' back to jail. The 'second dancer' of course had her statement published in the press last week stating that the rape charges brought by the accusing dancer were a 'crock' and that she was present with the accusing dancer for all except 5 minutes during the evening when the rape incident allegedly took place.
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Pinup Girl
06-12-2006, 10:42 AM
Why would Nifong approve a motion to have the second dancer's bond revoked from a previous conviction? Is this some sort of punitive measure?
fancygirl
06-12-2006, 12:57 PM
so did the second dancer say that before or after they threatened to throw her in jail for a previous charge?
Bridgette
06-12-2006, 01:11 PM
Ehh, the truth will never be known on this one. Too much bullshit and money involved.
Melonie
06-12-2006, 04:15 PM
^^^ agreed this whole matter is really starting to smell of political ambition vs old money. Where the revocation of the 'second dancer's' bond is concerned, best info has it that DA Nifong came up with that little idea AFTER the 'second dancer's' statements appeared in the press last week. One can only think that being sent back to jail would conveniently cut off the press from conducting additional interviews with the 'second dancer' for a while. Publicity of the bond being revoked also would tend to send a pretty clear message to anybody else that might be thinking about stepping forward with additional information / testimony re the events of the night the alleged rape took place.
My own concern with this case has nothing to do with this case, actually. Given the amount of exculpatory evidence coming out re the lacrosse players, and the amount of conflicting information given by the accusing dancer to different people at different times, IMHO there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that any of the players will be convicted. As I posted earlier, the REAL tragedy stemming from this case is that, thanks to the Hollywood Stereotype being 'proven' true by two different girls, 'strippers'are going to wind up having zero future credibility with cops, DA's and courts when they attempt to report future crimes committed against them.
missalovelady
06-12-2006, 04:29 PM
I think what had happened is these were some of those jock type assholes and didnt pay the girls and try to rip them off.Then I had heard reports about the girls friend calling about racial things to the police then later the reported rape.I t hink they didnt get paid for the money so they went ahead and tried to get even.But this is just a theory,it might of happened.
Bridgette
06-12-2006, 04:54 PM
As I posted earlier, the REAL tragedy stemming from this case is that, thanks to the Hollywood Stereotype being 'proven' true by two different girls, 'strippers'are going to wind up having zero future credibility with cops, DA's and courts when they attempt to report future crimes committed against them.Yeah, I think it's already that way in most cases. This particular case being a bit different in that we have a DA looking for re-election. Otherwise I doubt this case would've ever even seen the light of day, whether that girl had any hard evidence or not.
Hidendragon75
06-27-2006, 05:59 AM
Here is one cartoonists take on the Duke rape case. I tend to agree with what the cartoonist is saying here. But to me the case seems to have so many ups and downs its hard to follow.
http://www.cagle.com/working/060623/schorr.gif
Melonie
08-25-2006, 11:30 AM
well, this case is a shoo-in now ... because the New York Times just took a 'stand' ...
space_Cadet_28
08-29-2006, 05:43 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2148546/
they dont seem to like the times article.
tootsie
10-16-2006, 06:21 AM
javascript:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/news?ch=334515&cl=981282&lang=en','playerWindow','width=793,height=608,scro llbars=no'));
on this the public can make comments, scroll down and read number 4!!!!!!!!!
tootsie
10-16-2006, 06:22 AM
http://60minutes.yahoo.com/segment/9/duke_rape_case
oops, sorry here it is.
Jillian
10-16-2006, 08:39 AM
lovely comment mr. #4...........
(sarcastic)
(mr. #4 from the link tootsie posted)
sassfire
10-28-2006, 12:16 AM
I haven't read all 13 pages, but from the gist of it many of the response were on the side of the dancer (I could be wrong). The dancer falsely accused these men, and there is no proof that she was raped or didn't have consensual sex with these men. Her story was all over the place. She wasn't even sure what she did before she got to the party. It is not that she was a dancer that she has no credibility. It is because her story just doesn't fly.
I for one am annoyed of women who are do something that they feel ashamed of or embarrased later on, and then pull that victim crap. Women who were actually raped know the difference. Women who pull that victim stuff in a false way are victims of their own stupidity. How can us women demand equal rights when we want our mistakes to be fall under the "I was a manipulated victim" side. If you messed up, you messed up no one should make excuses for you or turn you into a matyr.
Melonie
11-07-2006, 03:18 PM
^^^ it would appear that, now that the election is out of the way (i.e. district attorney Nifong), the 'truth' can come out !
"DURHAM - Four days after she said she was raped, the accuser in the Duke lacrosse case told co-workers at a Hillsborough strip club that she was going to get money from some boys at a Duke party who hadn't paid her, the club's former security manager said.
"She basically said, 'I'm going to get paid by the white boys,' " H.P. Thomas, the former security manager at the Platinum Club, said in an interview Friday. "I said, 'Whatever,' because no one takes her seriously."(snip)
Deogol
11-07-2006, 04:11 PM
Look. Listen. White men are the source of all of today's problems. I know this for fact because my women's studies professor told me so.
Andygirl
11-07-2006, 04:29 PM
Look. Listen. White men are the source of all of today's problems. I know this for fact because my women's studies professor told me so.
Heh, if you guys aren't then who is? Who else has ever had a chance to run this country? It's not exactly a rainbow over in Washington.
Deogol
11-07-2006, 05:09 PM
Heh, if you guys aren't then who is? Who else has ever had a chance to run this country? It's not exactly a rainbow over in Washington.
Obviously the competition is not up for the task even when they make up over 50% of the population in a democracy.
(Ya gotta stop throwing those slow balls.) }:D
Just IMAGINE the mess the unelectable could make. (That was semi-serious since they are unproven.)
Andygirl
11-08-2006, 06:10 AM
Obviously the competition is not up for the task even when they make up over 50% of the population in a democracy.
(Ya gotta stop throwing those slow balls.) }:D
Just IMAGINE the mess the unelectable could make. (That was semi-serious since they are unproven.)
Yeah, I'm not taking the bait. This is StripperWeb, not a political debate website.
sassfire
11-08-2006, 02:46 PM
Look. Listen. White men are the source of all of today's problems. I know this for fact because my women's studies professor told me so.
White men are a source of today's problem because white men are leading in everything. In nations where other races are leading they are the problem. Taking the lead means taking the ups and downs with it. Also women studies classes are biased man-hating feminist classes.
Look. Listen. White men are the source of all of today's problems. I know this for fact because my women's studies professor told me so.
Greed and need to have ultimate power is the problem with humans PERIOD. I dont think those two things have a paticular "race" to them, they do have a common color though and its green
Melonie
11-08-2006, 03:37 PM
my comment wasn't intended to stir up a political discussion ... only to point out that, as many had theorized and these latest news stories seem to document, that there appears to have been a conscious effort on the part of the dancer in question to 'extort money' from her rich 'Ivy League' customers. This of course follows along very similar lines of the girl involved in the recent Kobe Bryant rape charges, who was attempting to do the same.
The point that I AM trying to make is that this latest development in the Duke Rape case, piled on top of the Kobe Bryant case, will establish a 'pattern' in the minds of many 'ordinary people' that strippers are not above threatening to press charges of rape against rich customers who don't play along with an extortion scheme. Thus if a stripper is actually raped by a club customer in the future, that customer can easily claim that he is actually the victim of a would-be extortion scheme on the part of the dancer, and is totally innocent of rape - a claim that the vast majority of DA's will take very seriously before deciding to press charges, and a defense that the vast majority of 'ordinary people' sitting on rape trial juries are likely to believe over the word of a stripper that was actually raped by a customer.
Because of this new contribution to the 'stripper stereotype', any dancer who is actually raped in the future will A) have very little probability of proving that rape took place versus a sex for money business transaction defense on the part of the customer, and B) that any dancer who brings such a rape charge now runs the risk of having charges levelled against herself by the customer (prostitution, extortion). In a customer's word versus 'stripper's word situation, this is a BIG risk !
BANHammerGoddess
11-24-2013, 01:31 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/woman-who-falsely-accused-duke-lacrosse-players-of-rape-found-guilty-of-murder-112313
and the Duke accuser is now going to prison for 14 years on second-degree murder charges in the stabbing death of her boyfriend...
Red Velvette
11-24-2013, 08:15 AM
Once a sociopath...
DonaDiabla
11-28-2013, 07:28 AM
I have a different take on the Duke rape case than other people and I will say this from a woman of color point of view. I believe she was raped by white men just not the guys from Duke university. I also believe that she was a victim of domestic violence at the hand of a black man plus she dealt with men violating her as a young girl.She became a stripper and escort because she learned her self worth was tied up with men and sex .No one gave her the help she needed before she took that man's life or crush the hopes and dreams of young men. Crystal Mangum was the victim of sexual abuse and domestic abuse from a young age. I believe that she learned how to live by playing into those sexual and ethnic stereotypes of the black hyper-sexual jezebel. Crystal learned that men wanted to abused because she abused and violated. Her father was there yet he could not stop her daughter from hating men. She hated white men because I believe that she might have been raped or sexual abuse by a white male. She also was abused by several black men which made her take out her rage and pain on men. During interviews, her father look so hurt and confused over what happen to his daughter. He tried to provide for her as best as can but he could not cure the rage inside of her. The Duke students are just pieces in her sick life game; she was full of lust, angry, and revenge when she accused them. Also with black men..Crystal would go into a rage over them telling her what to do. This leads me to believe that a black male must have violated her as well.
Sometimes, women who are abused over and over again response with violence and cruelty. I believe that when she danced for those Duke students...those guys said something to her that made her freak out. So she decided to make those men pay for the sins of others. I watched show," Wives with knives",on Discovery ID... she came from a good home with two middle class African-American parents. However, her life changed for the worst after she got raped and went missing for a period of time between the ages of 13-15.Sorry, I am not too sure about the time frame of the first attack .Then she came back different...sex and violence can affect women in ways. So she blamed every man for what happened to her when she was a child. Blaming white men with power and wealth was her way of getting her power back and killing her black boyfriend was for her to get power. I feel bad for her parents because they did not know how to comfort her before she torn men's lives apart. Now she can placed in prison away from society because she is dangerous to men. You should read her book and then you can see that someone broke her long before her stripper/escort days. I feel bad that no one stepped in to save her from herself and her pain. Her poor parents and children are left heartbroken. While her victims are left wondering what their life would be life if they never met her. Sad but true.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?436134-The-sad-pathetic-case-of-Crystal-Mangum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Mangum
http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Dance-Grace-Crystal/dp/0981783724