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mark45y
05-12-2006, 12:42 AM
Damn Mark, you get banned every other week.

I think I know why I keep getting banned at least from my point of view.

1. The majority of members are in denial about what constitutes prostitution.

2. The majority of the members are in denial that stripping is a gateway profession to prostitution.

3. The majority of members are in denial about the attitudes of most people towards strippers.

It is a little like the emperor’s new clothes.

The members get so much positive reinforcement from the stripper peer group that they have forgotten the attitudes of the rest of the world.

It is not uncommon the same thing happens to Popes and Presidents. They have so many yes men that they are totally out of touch with reality.

I guess I could change and get a little closer to the company line and not get banned but it seems to me someone has to stand on the street corner shouting, “he don’t have no clothes on.”

yoda57us
05-12-2006, 06:24 AM
I think I know why I keep getting banned at least from my point of view.


Since you know the things you post are going to get you banned and you choose to post them anyway my conclusion is that you want to get banned. Classic martyr complex.

lunchbox
05-12-2006, 07:02 AM
1. The majority of members are in denial about what constitutes prostitution.

2. The majority of the members are in denial that stripping is a gateway profession to prostitution.
And the majority of people here think your making terribly universal accusations. How about getting into some detail instead of the same general rhetoric, or do you like pissing into the wind?

3. The majority of members are in denial about the attitudes of most people towards strippers.
You're an idiot or dyslexic. There is a new thread almost daily where the girls here complain about being thought of money grubbing coke whores. That is not denial, that is a complaint.


It is a little like the emperor’s new clothes.
So? You're an old guy who thinks his age makes him the smartest guy in the room.


The members get so much positive reinforcement from the stripper peer group that they have forgotten the attitudes of the rest of the world.

It is not uncommon the same thing happens to Popes and Presidents. They have so many yes men that they are totally out of touch with reality.

I guess I could change and get a little closer to the company line and not get banned but it seems to me someone has to stand on the street corner shouting, “he don’t have no clothes on.”
How about covering up yourself first.

mark45y
05-12-2006, 08:09 AM
Lunchbox that is a thoughtful answer. Not name calling but a well thought out answer.

So I will tell you.

I have known in the biblical sense thousands of women. Not hundreds or not five hundreds but thousands. I am old.

Cocktail waitresses do it for money and can get away with it without it effecting their lives.

Strippers start out thinking it is a dance thing. Not all, but a lot of them. They end up knowing it is a sex thing. But damn it, they can’t admit that.

So new girls come on this site asking for information. And they are treated to a Walt Disney version of stripping. The kids try it. They get hooked on the easy money. The kids get hooked on the easy availability of drugs. The kids get hooked period.

Money grubbing crack whores? I didn’t say most people think strippers are money grubbing crack whores.

I said most people think strippers are prostitutes.

I don’t think most strippers are prostitutes. I think a lot of strippers are prostitutes. I think stripping is an easy way to get into prostitution. I think most strippers have at one time or another sold sex for money. I don’t think most strippers do crack. Pot and coke, ya. I don’t know a stripper who has not at some time done pot and coke. Regular people, I know a lot of them who have never done pot and coke.

My age? Little to do with anything. I knew everything at 27 now I know a lot less than I knew then.

Covering up myself first? You have to explain that to me because I am not nearly as bright as I was at 27.

mark45y
05-12-2006, 08:15 AM
Since you know the things you post are going to get you banned and you choose to post them anyway my conclusion is that you want to get banned. Classic martyr complex.

No, Yoda. I don’t really want to get banned. I think of myself as more of a Don Quixote. You know that thread where the kid asked about the kissing? And he got ripped by a couple of strippers saying kissing never happens. None of you guys came to his defense. You DFK every day. But none of you said anything. Why?

Jenny
05-12-2006, 08:17 AM
Um, maybe because they are here to amuse themselves, and don't really see themselves as tilting at windmills? And because that guy sounded like a tool, and people frequently don't want to associate themselves with toolishness? And neither of us said it never happens. We said we didn't believe his story. Difference.

kdogg247
05-12-2006, 08:24 AM
No, Yoda. I don’t really want to get banned. I think of myself as more of a Don Quixote. You know that thread where the kid asked about the kissing? And he got ripped by a couple of strippers saying kissing never happens. None of you guys came to his defense. You DFK every day. But none of you said anything. Why?

The kissing part was believable, but he appeared to keep adding more and more details that made me question the validity of his story.

sander8son
05-12-2006, 10:22 AM
I think I know why I keep getting banned at least from my point of view.

1. The majority of members are in denial about what constitutes prostitution.

2. The majority of the members are in denial that stripping is a gateway profession to prostitution.


1. how is it that i've never been banned?

2. i disagree with point number two. stripping is prostitution. sex constitutes way more than vaginal intercorse. even air dancing from 5 feet away is prostitution. the ladies know the guys are paying them. they know the guys are using the experience to fulfill a sexual desire. its sex for money. they just can't and won't accept the fact that they're prostitutes. THEY(the dancers) view prostitution as illegal and dirty. but prositution is way more than just penis in vagina. there are varying degrees. pole dancing being the lowest degree. there's nothing inherantly wrong or immoral about any level of prostitution as far as im concerned.

if you went up to a girl on the street(non-dancer) and told her you'd pay her $100 to get naked and rub her ass on you for 10 minutes, and she accepted, wouldn't that be prosititution? ofcorse. but do it inside the walls of a building owned by a sleezebag with terrible music playing and all of a sudden its art. ::)

lunchbox
05-12-2006, 11:58 AM
Mark, please don't cloud and change the subject without at least admitting you were wrong first.

It's really simple.


1. The majority of members are in denial about what constitutes prostitution.
Who gives a shit? You can broaden the definition to encompass everyone who has ever had a job, or has done something for someone else if you really wanted to.

2. The majority of the members are in denial that stripping is a gateway profession to prostitution.
If they are in denial, why are they constantly complaining about how dirty the business is getting, and how hard it is to compete?

3. The majority of members are in denial about the attitudes of most people towards strippers.
Again they bitch about it, they don't deny it.

If I'm wrong, can you please link me to a dancers post, or name someone who fits the majority you are describing?


Covering up myself first? You have to explain that to me because I am not nearly as bright as I was at 27.
Don't yell at someone for looking foolish, if you look worse.

Thanks for looking up my age, I suppose you can figure the date as well, send a postcard next year.

mr_punk
05-12-2006, 03:57 PM
1. how is it that i've never been banned?because pryce is afraid that you'll hunt him down, disembowel him and make a nice pate from of his liver?

yoda57us
05-12-2006, 05:01 PM
No, Yoda. I don’t really want to get banned. I think of myself as more of a Don Quixote. You know that thread where the kid asked about the kissing? And he got ripped by a couple of strippers saying kissing never happens. None of you guys came to his defense. You DFK every day. But none of you said anything. Why?

Mark: I didn't answer initially because I think the guy is full of shit. I did answer today because I had a day off and had time to review the thread and throw in my two cents. The issue with that thread, for me, was that I thought the guy was a troll. I'm still not convinced that he's not.

Also, quite honestly, as soon as you start pulling your BS stunt of lifting quotes from LO on the pink site in an attempt to turn the thread into another episode of "woe is Mark" I tune it out.

FYI, I DFK and more on a regular basis but we are talking about maybe a dozen dancers spread out over hundreds that I've known. Am I that picky? Maybe, but it's more a case of the percentages not being as high as you would like us to believe.

mark45y
05-13-2006, 12:30 AM
Dear Lunchbox honest I did not look up your age. 27 was for me a banner year. I had a great job a great wife a great mistress and a dynamite local strip club. At 27 I thought I was brilliant. I bought my plane tickets by the year, unlimited flights to anywhere anytime. I had a big house, expensive cars, life was great. I thought I knew everything. Two years later I was broke, jobless, the mistress left and the wife was packing. I realized I was not as smart at 29 as I had been at 27.

As far as my posts yesterday, a friend recommended I try a new beer just released a couple of weeks ago. It was only 5.5% alcohol but there must have been some additive in it because it sure wound me up.

I am now eating chicken broth and trying to get rid of the shakes and my head feels like a crushed watermelon.

I don’t drink much but that stuff really kicked my butt.

And my GF number one and number two just informed me they are checking into a monastery for a week and want me to promise not to go to strip clubs while they are gone.

I am trying to convince them I will just go and watch, they are not convinced.

lunchbox
05-15-2006, 06:18 AM
Did you by chance ever get divorced in Texas?

IvoryDancer
05-15-2006, 11:25 PM
As far as my posts yesterday, a friend recommended I try a new beer just released a couple of weeks ago. It was only 5.5% alcohol but there must have been some additive in it because it sure wound me up.The old "someone must have slipped me a Mickey" line, eh? :crazy:

In a fantasy world I might have accepted your claim that you were drugged by additives the Russian Secret Agency planted in your beer to control your mind, but that doesn't explain your attitude in the days prior to drinking this special "brew". This is the first time I have read your posts and I just thought you were a typical woman-hater who takes his anger out on strippers and has no other intention other than busting a nut in his pants when he goes to a strip club. I know that type well, you would rather get a BJ by a toothless busboy than a sensual dance from a beautiful woman. You are like the people who hype stocks on forums to artificially inflate prices. By telling lies about your "readily available" extras, you get other guys to believe this bull in hopes that the unsuspectiing men will go into clubs expecting extras, and in turn this just might increase the availibity of extras. But...after reading some of your prior threads I would need more suspension of disbelief to believe your stories than when I read 'Lord of the Rings'!

Seriously...Mark, you have a severe thinking disorder...about the ONLY thing I believe from all the BS you have posted is that you were in the Vietnam War, because you most certainly must have spent some R & R in Thailand recovering from a massive head wound you suffered after taking some shrapnel in your cranium, which would explain your delusions about buying brothels in Pattaya. Your bragging is nothing less than pure lunacy. Thousand dollar cowboy boots? You got game? That's funny considering how many of your posts focus on drink prices and how to get cheap hand jobs at sleazy clubs.

If you really were a business associate of Michael Jordon and Wilt Chamberlain, why in the world would you start a thread essentially bitching and moaning about the price of a drink in a high class club in America when you claim to live in exile in Thailand? I have been a dancer for many years and one thing is certain, guys of that stature could care less what a highball costs when they are ordering Crystal by the case! And furthermore, if you are spending hundreds of dollars on lap dances then who cares what the drink costs? Most people I know go to a certain bar based on the level of entertainment they want and not really what the drink costs, unless of course you are a college student or a welfare case living on a mental disability pension.

In this thread and others you claim at age 27 to have had the world at your disposal complete with a great wife, great mistress, a strip club and airline tickets anywhere in the world anytime you wanted that you paid for by the year. Hmmm, where do you buy those? The only package I have ever heard an airline offer is the 'Round the World' ticket that allowes you to fly to a limited number of cities and each subsequent flight has to be in an east to west direction and must end at your starting destination. What you describe is not a ticket but actually a LEAR JET! :)

The parallel universes you have created for your self almost always contradict one another. You're not even creative enough to lie convincingly. After reading your other posts I see that - like stated above - you spent your 20's leading up to a great life owning a club that allowed you to fly all over the world, but then you lost it all by 29. Then in the thread 'Ten Years Wasted' you spent your 20's bartending your way through your 20's and by your own admission you turned down better jobs just so you could bartend and "party party party", and then you claimed to have an epiphany at 30 realizing you had wasted 10 years. And of course the more reasonable story that you were out shooting commies 35 years ago in Southeast Asia. The latter story explains a possible head injury and your obsession with prostitution in Thailand.

And now you are trying to get us to believe that you have gotten your life back togther after (take your choice here) 1) you lost litterally millions by age 29, or 2) you partied your life away and never graduated from bartending school, or 3) your massive head wound has healed and you are now in the market to purchase a bar in Pattaya Thailand? Now that's suspension of disbelief! There is no way in hell that you could run a club judging by the way you talk about your supposed employees. You call all DJs "oafs" who could have their job done by 8 year olds or even monkeys. You call strippers dumb who are immature and silly and are mainly prostitutes. You're not exactly the type of manager who wins friends and influences people. If you did own a club at 27 then it's no big surprise you lost everything by 29.

I originally was going to respond to this thread because the local closet case here asked if anyone had been to Rick's of Houston in the early days. Well, I was a dancer at Rick's in the glory days for many years - I even appeared in the famed Penthouse photoshoot at Ricks's - and I can tell you that the "extras" Mark speaks of were nowhere NEAR "readily available" as Mark claims. Sure, there were always exceptions to the rule, but that is exactly what they were...EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE. And the extras that WERE available were very expensive as Mark claims. The girls were also much better looking in those days. The money was so much better in those days. Now the extras ARE readlily available and the club is no longer hopping and the girls are not as hot...Mark, what happened to your ideal that "extras" enhances a club?

Your delusions of grandeur normally wouldn't be so offensive but funny if you weren't such a downright mean person Mark. I mean, that's a real hoot how you quote anonymous "surveys" and then use TUSCL as an industry "guide". If you were really a sucessful businessman who uses "bean counters" in his "business" you wouldn't be here makin all this up, and you would be quoting industry journals and not TUSCL...lol.

I have been dancing forever and I can tell you from experience that there are all kinds of men that go to strip clubs. All strip clubs do not have to be brothels. Variety is the spice of life, if it weren't then Hooter's would be out of business by your twisted logic. Some clubs are like Treasures and then some clubs are like Disneyland, but the fact can't be changed that the level of "talent" has dropped dramatically over the years at clubs like Treasures when they become more of a brothel than a strip club. Sure, I don't mind full nudity, mutual touching, straddling, ass grabbing, boob fondling and some good grinding - which I am very good at if I do say so myself, giggle - and I don't mind if some men cum as long as they aren't grotesque and wearing a sheer slip, but of course, your mileage will always vary greatly due to classless and mean people like yourself Mark.

It certainly does not surprise me that you have been divorced several times as stated by your mention of "ex-wives" repeatedly, and it is certainly no mystery as to why they may have left. But what does boggle my mind is that you actually duped a few women to marry you in the first place! Truth is stranger than fiction...but of course you are most likely lying about that too.

The bottome line is Mark, you are the Elephant Man of the psychriatry world, you are NOT "the market"! Quit blaming strippers or the additives in your beer for all your troubles and seek immediate professional help to get that melon of yours checked! :)

P.S. I probably won't be responding much to anything else Mark has to say as I can already tell that would be futile, plus I also will be busy traveling on a stripping vacation in Little Rock, Memphis, Chicago, and Des Moines! ;D

yoda57us
05-16-2006, 12:09 PM
:great: :worship: :cheers:

Phil-W
05-16-2006, 05:17 PM
In a fantasy world I might have accepted your claim that you were drugged by additives the Russian Secret Agency planted in your beer to control your mind...after reading some of your prior threads I would need more suspension of disbelief to believe your stories than when I read 'Lord of the Rings'!

Seriously...Mark, you have a severe thinking disorder...about the ONLY thing I believe from all the BS you have posted is that you were in the Vietnam War, because you most certainly must have spent some R & R in Thailand recovering from a massive head wound you suffered after taking some shrapnel in your cranium...

...The bottom line is Mark, you are the Elephant Man of the psychriatry world, you are NOT "the market"! Quit blaming strippers or the additives in your beer for all your troubles and seek immediate professional help to get that melon of yours checked! :)

I bow in reverence before Ivory Dancer.

If there's a Hall of Fame for sarcasm, this has got to quality.

Not so much flamed, as barbecued.

Phil. ;D

Katrine
05-16-2006, 06:37 PM
:worship::worship:.....Ivory

VenusGoddess
05-16-2006, 07:27 PM
IvoryDancer...I think I love you. :heartbeat :cloud9:

Definitely PM me when you get to Chicago...I think I'll give you a $100 bill just because. ;)

Rhiannon
05-16-2006, 08:37 PM
Shit.. I'll give her $100 too.

::gets in line::

Wait! You're coming to Memphis? Woot! Heh

Cally
05-16-2006, 08:42 PM
*bows down to IvoryDancer*

I love you already girl ;)

NoCoverLover
05-17-2006, 07:41 PM
2. The majority of the members are in denial that stripping is a gateway profession to prostitution.
Mark, that's one of the more intelligent things you've posted here so far.

OK... wait for it... wait for it......... ::)::)::)

Please don't insult my intelligence by asking me if I'm being sarcastic. Trust me, I am!!

I'm guessing that you also subscribe to the "pot is a gateway drug to coke" theory.

You are an uncontested asshat dude! :(

SportsWriter2
05-18-2006, 01:40 PM
The parallel universes you have created for your self almost always contradict one another. You're not even creative enough to lie convincingly. After reading your other posts....
Incredible that someone would read all the Marky episodes... ::)

IvoryDancer
05-18-2006, 04:08 PM
Incredible that someone would read all the Marky episodes... ::)What's even more incredible is that Mark not only took the time to type all those episodes, but he actually thought someone might buy his garbage...and I see your name in his threads as well, so it would seem that you have even taken the time to read them - as well as participate in them - so what's your point, other than to show off your hypocritical prowess?

Just an FYI, I only read 3 Mark threads in the course of an hour or so while I was watching a movie, and as is the etiquette for most public forums the FAQ's ALWAYS state that one should read previous threads or waiting awhile to post...for obvious reasons that you should undrestand without me filling you in. Since I have never read Mark's posts before, I figured it would be a good idea to read some past posts to get a feel for the guy...and I got a feel alright...I feel sorry for him.

P.S. I certainly hope to run into some of you in Memphis and Chicago! :)

yoda57us
05-18-2006, 05:34 PM
What's even more incredible is that Mark not only took the time to type all those episodes, but he actually thought someone might buy his garbage...and I see your name in his threads as well, so it would seem that you have even taken the time to read them - as well as participate in them - so what's your point, other than to show off your hypocritical prowess?


OMG Ivory Dancer! Mark and Sporty in one week! This is more than I can take! I'm practically orgasmic right now....:dance: :dance:

I'm seriously bummed that I'm going to be in Austin in a couple of weeks and you will be on the road. I'd love to shake your hand and spend a lot of money on you...

Yes, I am a shameless suck-up

Katrine
05-18-2006, 08:48 PM
OMG Ivory Dancer! Mark and Sporty in one week! This is more than I can take! I'm practically orgasmic right now....:dance: :dance:

I'm seriously bummed that I'm going to be in Austin in a couple of weeks and you will be on the road. I'd love to shake your hand and spend a lot of money on you...

Yes, I am a shameless suck-up

Ivory is the cat's meow.8)

Yodachka, back in Austin...<swoon> You've got to come take a look at my new place, I'll be moved in by then, yippppeeee!!:P

SportsWriter2
05-19-2006, 09:43 AM
I see your name in his threads as well, so it would seem that you have even taken the time to read them - as well as participate in them - so what's your point...
You can read a little Marky and wonder, or you can write a long analytical indictment. Whatever angst drives your bus... :-\

yoda57us
05-19-2006, 04:00 PM
Ivory is the cat's meow.8)

Yodachka, back in Austin...<swoon> You've got to come take a look at my new place, I'll be moved in by then, yippppeeee!!:P

Yes!, my trip scheduled for Houston morphed into a return visit to Austin. Fine by me, I wouldn't know what to do with all those "extras" girls anyway....:O

I'll be in touch Kat, I'd love to give you some decorating tips (lol, you have no idea how funny that would be);)

IvoryDancer
05-25-2006, 12:48 PM
You can read a little Marky and wonder, or you can write a long analytical indictment. Whatever angst drives your bus... :-\

Angst? You certainly are the epitome of hypocrisy, aren't you? Here you are giving me grief because of one post out of SEVEN I have posted since September of last year, and you have posted TWO THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SIX times? Good Lord, that's almost 3000 posts! There is certainly nothing wrong with posting a lot, but when you act as if I can't post an indictment of a lying egotistical woman-hater, then there is something wrong. You post nearly a thousand times a year and you get your panties in a bunch for one of my half dozen posts? /:O

Seriously, you must have missed the point. Mark consistently lies and refers to strippers in a derogatory manner and I flamed him for it. He deserved it. Cased closed. Everybody, except for Mark and his mother (and apparently you, since you refer to him affectionately as "Marky") thought my post was funny. It was comedy gold (which was the actual point), and I even got a standing ovation for it. I am sorry you felt it was overly long and analytical, but at least I only post an everage of less than once a month while you average 2 to 3 posts a day everyday for more than 3 years in a row! :banghead:

Phil-W
05-25-2006, 01:43 PM
Angst? You certainly are the epitome of hypocrisy, aren't you? Here you are giving me grief...

Yo!!!

Set flame-throwers to incinerate.

Ivory Dancer might only post once a month but can I nominate her for the "flaming" World Championship. Definitely a contender.

Phil. :D

Casual Observer
05-25-2006, 02:05 PM
IvoryDancer...with guns blazing.

<S> ID

lunchbox
05-25-2006, 02:15 PM
...you act as if I can't post an indictment of a lying egotistical woman-hater, then there is something wrong. You post nearly a thousand times a year and you get your panties in a bunch for one of my half dozen posts? /:O

Seriously, you must have missed the point....

Talk about missing the point and gettign their panties in a bunch.

note to self: never tell IvoryDancer to do whatever floats her boat...

SportsWriter2
05-25-2006, 02:25 PM
Mark consistently lies and refers to strippers in a derogatory manner and I flamed him for it. He deserved it. Cased closed.
Okay, case closed. Let Marky burn in his bunker. Personally, I think what TOO does to Hooters girls is much more dangerous. :D

IvoryDancer
05-25-2006, 03:25 PM
Talk about missing the point and gettign their panties in a bunch.You're right, sometimes those darn panties of mine do get into a bunch, but men seem to like it when I let my panties ride up the crack of my ass as I occasionally point out liars and hypocrisy! :)


note to self: never tell IvoryDancer to do whatever floats her boat...That was my point...telling people to do whatever floats their boat is pretty pointless since people usually do whatever floats their boat...plus it allowed me to inject a little more comedy gold! :)

IvoryDancer
05-25-2006, 03:28 PM
Okay, case closed.Deal ;D


Let Marky burn in his bunker.I haven't seen him for weeks...I hope his third degree burns are healing nicely }:D


Personally, I think what TOO does to Hooters girls is much more dangerous. :DWho is TOO and what do they do to the Hooter's girls?

GenWar
05-25-2006, 04:27 PM
QUOTE=IvoryDancer:
Who is TOO and what do they do to the Hooter's girls?
---------------------

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65358&page=2#post732159

TOO is my hero. ::)

-gen

yoda57us
05-25-2006, 05:36 PM
You're right, sometimes those darn panties of mine do get into a bunch, but men seem to like it when I let my panties ride up the crack of my ass as I occasionally point out liars and hypocrisy! :)


You don't even have point anything out ID, just let me bask in the glow of the visual you have created in my depraved mind....}:D

mark45y
05-27-2006, 03:31 AM
Dear Ivory,

Sorry it took me so long to answer your very well written post. I was out of town and there has been quite a bit of flooding here and the transportation and communication has been interrupted.

I wanted to respond to a couple of things. I didn’t mean to imply anyone slipped me a “Mickey”. One of the most popular local beers has something in it resembling embalming fluid to preserve it in the heat here. A lot of people including me have a very adverse reaction to it. I was told they did not put it in the draft version but my information was in error.

Would I rather a sensual no extra dance from a beautiful woman or a BJ from a toothless busboy? That’s a hard question to answer since I have had the pleasure of hooking up with a couple of strippers who wore dentures. I guess it would depend on how much I had to drink. If I had a lot to drink I would probably opt for the stripper.

You are correct I did sustain a head wound in Vietnam.

There are a lot of brothels currently available in Pattaya because this is the off season. They are called beer bars. There are a few beer bars that are not brothels but they are few and far between. The price range for the smaller ones is 8 to 10 thousand US dollars. The brothels in the prime locations go for 25 thousand. Americans have an advantage doing business in Thailand because of the American treaty which allows Thai citizens to conduct business in America and Americans to conduct business in Thailand. Although the act expired last year it is still being honored.

When I was 27 one could purchase airline tickets from one airline that allowed you to fly anywhere that airline flew as many times as you wanted in one year. Ask anyone who was in the airline business in the early 70’s.

I never went to bartending school I worked my way through college as a bartender. My apologies that my writing is not clearer.

Just for my own personal information, what industry journals should I be quoting from?

I do agree with you about being surprised at getting women to marry me. It was always a constant source of amazement to me also.