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Sirona
05-26-2006, 04:39 PM
Uh, sorry what?

I've never used the chat option here ever.

*** Could a moderator back me up here? Maybe do an IP trace for me? This is bullshit. There's no way i'm letting someone make shit up and throw it around like this.

JustJayda
05-26-2006, 04:42 PM
Back on topic, yep Ms. Tatum, I as you know am trying to acheive the same look. I am so excited about getting this info soon;)

Maybe it wasn't you Sirona, my bad. Just refrain from sending me those childish PMs. I want to talk about butt shots on this thread.

Sirona
05-26-2006, 04:46 PM
How was it childish in the least? I reiterated that I was curious about the procedure and looking for info.

Please for the love of god explain to me why i'm suddenly a bad guy simply for asking questions and sharing what information I have?

Wow, i'm concerned for other peoples health and want to know about a new procedure, you're right, i'm a horrible person. /:O

JustJayda
05-26-2006, 04:50 PM
Sirona, that is NOT what your private message to me said, and you know it! You didn't reiterate Jack Spit!

Also, nobody called you horrible. I personally try to listen to all opinions, but you seem to be soooo negative, and it's annoying as phuck. You are sharing your OPINION, not facts. You don't know if this person is a hack...yet .

Hell, I'm not the butt-shot mafia, but who's gonna wanna tell YOU anything about it now anyway.


Cheez and Rice! You are trying to deflate our ass-dreams before they are realities.

Paintbaby
05-26-2006, 05:22 PM
This thread is hilarious! It's giving me visions of a woman laying across her kitchen counter, with some quack injecting crisco into her butt with a turkey baster! LMAO!!! :rotfl:

JustJayda
05-26-2006, 05:23 PM
^^^LMAO( as I head to the kitchen to find my turkey baster)

p.s. From now on LMAO means laughing my ass ON (not off);)

Sirona
05-26-2006, 05:24 PM
You are completely right, i'm crazy for being somewhat leary of a guy who performs cosmetic procedures in clubs and private homes.

Once again, i'm not being negative, i'm being cautionary. There's a huge difference.

ps - I confused my PM to MsTatum with yours. MY bad.

Taken directly from the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery's website:

Listed under how to choose a surgeon:
Ask where your surgery will be performed. Cosmetic surgery is performed in various facilities such as hospitals, surgical centers and office settings. An accredited surgical facility must meeting certain minimum standards to obtain and maintain its accreditation. Facilities may be accredited by the Accreditation Association of Ambulatory Healthcare (http://www.aaahc.org/eweb/StartPage.aspx) (AAAHC) or the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations (http://www.jcaho.org/) (JCAHO).

Listed under:
What “red-flags” should I look for?
An environment that is unsterile.

How about this article:

American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery Stresses Caution With Injectable Cosmetic Treatments
Thursday, February 17, 2005
CHICAGO, Feb. 17 /PRNewswire/ -- The American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery (AACS) is issuing a cautionary statement to those interested in receiving cosmetic treatments such as Botox(R) or soft tissue filler injections. With the recent proliferation of "copy-cat" injectables, the risk for potential harm to patients has increased.

Therefore, the AACS is advising those patients interested in having a cosmetic procedure, such as these injections, to ask the following questions of your medical professional:



-- What is the substance that you will be injecting me with? -- Where was the substance obtained? -- What company is responsible for the production of this material? -- Is the product being used FDA-approved for my condition?

"It is critical that patients have an ongoing dialogue with their cosmetic surgeon. A positive doctor-patient relationship is essential with any cosmetic procedure, even those deemed minor by surgical standards," said Claude H. Crockett, Jr., MD, President of the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery.

For more information about the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery, patient safety or tips on how to find a cosmetic surgeon, please contact the Academy at 312.981.6760 or via the web at http://www.cosmeticsurgery.org (http://www.cosmeticsurgery.org/) .

The American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery is a professional medical society whose members are dedicated to patient safety and physician education in cosmetic surgery. Most members of the AACS are dermatologic surgeons, facial plastic surgeons, head and neck surgeons, general surgeons, oral and maxillofacial surgeons, plastic surgeons, or ocular plastic surgeons -- all of whom specialize in cosmetic surgery. AACS is the organization that represents all cosmetic surgeons in the American Medical Association through its seat in the AMA House of Delegates.

SOURCE American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery

Sirona
05-26-2006, 05:27 PM
Plastic Surgery Societies Raise Concerns About Cosmetic Procedures Performed by Unqualified Personnel


Non-clinical settings may expose patients to unnecessary risks

NEW YORK and ARLINGTON HEIGHTS, Ill., Jan. 13 /PRNewswire/ -- The American
Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery (ASAPS) and the American Society of
Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) have joined forces to raise awareness about the
dangers of unlicensed personnel performing medical cosmetic procedures in
non-clinical settings. Recent cases of patients receiving BOTOX(R) and tissue
fillers at shopping malls, beauty salons or in their homes by individuals
without sufficient training or licensure caused concerns among clinical and
public health experts. Cosmetic procedures, including tissue filler
injections, laser therapies, chemical peels and skin resurfacing, should only
be done under the care of properly credentialed and trained medical
professionals using only products approved by the Food and Drug Administration
(FDA).
"There are some misconceptions among patients about the true nature of
non-surgical cosmetic procedures. Non-surgical does not mean non-medical,"
said Mark Jewell, MD, president of the Aesthetic Society. "Patients deserve to
know who is treating them, what their qualifications are, who the supervising
physician is, and where the product is coming from. These are questions
patients should ask."
Over the last few years, there has been explosive growth in non-surgical
cosmetic procedures, often performed in retail or spa-like settings. Unlike
physician offices where clinicians oversee the treatment and maintain medical
records, spa-type centers may have limited or no full-time medical staff and
may lack the experience or training to handle more than routine beauty
services. Patients need assurances that a qualified and trained practitioner
will perform their procedure appropriately, under sanitary conditions, and
with product where the quality and source is known and FDA approved.
"In many situations, physicians appropriately provide oversight for
patient care in a variety of medical settings," said Bruce Cunningham, MD,
president of ASPS. "Our concern here is that physician supervision in
non-surgical cosmetic procedures may be inadequate or non-existent and that
the individuals performing the treatments lack adequate training to safely
perform the procedures. Our purpose in convening a patient safety group on
this issue is to ensure that patients have the information they need to make
the right decision. While spas and salons are convenient for cosmetic medical
treatments, this should not be at the expense of safety and expertise."
The Societies will continue to be vocal advocates for patient safety as it
relates to these procedures and work collaboratively with other medical
societies, allied health professionals, and industry to raise awareness of the
dangers of such procedures being performed by unqualified or untrained
professionals. A Joint ASPS and ASAPS Advisory on Injectables and Fillers:
Legal and Regulatory Risk Management Issues, released last year, underscores
the two societies' position: "The administration of injectables and fillers is
a medical procedure and is subject to the same precautions of any medical
procedure ... It is the physician's responsibility to ensure that the
non-physician administering the injectables or fillers possesses the proper
education and training."

About ASAPS
The American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery (ASAPS) is the leading
organization of board-certified plastic surgeons specializing in cosmetic
plastic surgery. ASAPS active-member plastic surgeons are certified by the
American Board of Plastic Surgery or the Royal College of Physicians and
Surgeons of Canada. http://www.surgery.org

About ASPS
The American Society of Plastic Surgeons is the largest organization of
board-certified plastic surgeons in the world. With more than 6,000 members,
the society is recognized as a leading authority and information source on
cosmetic and reconstructive plastic surgery. ASPS comprises 94 percent of all
board-certified plastic surgeons in the United States. Founded in 1931, the
society represents physicians certified by The American Board of Plastic
Surgery or The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada.
http://www.plasticsurgery.org


SOURCE American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery

JustJayda
05-26-2006, 05:31 PM
Sirona, off the soap-box please. Nobody said you were crazy either. You are right to be cautious, but why trip/bug-out before Monday???, or whenever there's more info???, is all I'm saying.

We don't know ANYTHING first-hand yet, and like I said before, who's gonna want to share with you, when you sound like the neighborhood snitch??

We all read you warnings, and your info is detailed and wonderful. Thanks for your advice. But this thread, as stated by the starter, isn't really about that;)

MsTatum
05-26-2006, 06:46 PM
The neighborhood snitch.....LMAO.....Crisco....LMAO......

Hint:Sirona create a thread ...."PEOPLE WHO HATE BUTT INJECTIONS" ....for those who really care, because I dont care for your research nor your PM'S.

Cristalla
05-26-2006, 07:05 PM
hah! those prices are ridiculous, 19 k?
all he does is suck the fat from other areas blend it and re inject it.
i had it done for 4 k here s a pic

JustJayda
05-26-2006, 07:10 PM
He's charging that much, cuz he sorta has the monopoly I guess. I think he should be beat in the face for gouging!

Vyanka
05-26-2006, 07:13 PM
Here's an old thread on butt injections, below this thread actually.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31317

MsTatum
05-26-2006, 09:34 PM
Who asked you??Before you respond read the forum.We are still waiting for furthur info.

Sirona
05-26-2006, 09:43 PM
fo·rum
n. pl. fo·rums

1. A public meeting place for open discussion.
2. A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or a radio or television program.
3. A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.


It would seem she doesn't require your direct invitation to participate.

seraya
05-27-2006, 08:45 AM
Wow why do i feel like im back at school! Can we please show some class ladies and GROW UP!


hah! those prices are ridiculous, 19 k?

all he does is suck the fat from other areas blend it and re inject it.

i had it done for 4 k here s a pic

The reason as to why it is so expensive is because you are having multiple procedures at one time. You are having LARGE amounts of fat removed from different body parts (tummy, waist, back, flanks, thighs, arms... where ever you wish to have fat removed). You are then having your stomach and waist sculptured and then lastly the butt injections using MICRO fat grafting (different from fat grafting). The whole procedure tales close to 7 hours where as ALL over surgeons take no longer than 3.

If you was to have these procedures done at different stages you would be probably be paying over 19K especially with a doctor of his calibre.

Seraya.

VenusGoddess
05-27-2006, 10:58 AM
Who asked you??Before you respond read the forum.We are still waiting for furthur info.

Ok, hold on a second. Who do you think you are? You are a complete newbie and you think your tone here is going to go over well? I would suggest you check the attitude at the sign-in screen. >:(

This is a forum...anyone can post. If you do not like the post or if you find it of no help to you, then leave it be. Otherwise, you are just going to cause problems for yourself.

Chill out.

JustJayda
05-27-2006, 11:01 AM
Smartcookie, it has been stated numerous times, that we won't know anything until at least Monday. Yes, we think its generally a good idea to know what's in a syringe that's puncturing our skin. We've established, and stated that already too.

How many times do I have to say it? WE DON'T KNOW YET!!!!!!

Nobody said they knew they were right, or wanted to die to be pretty. But, if I DO infact want to die for something, that's my mf choice, regardless of logic, and anything else. But since you feel like you know so much about how we feel, and our convictions etc. What's ur point and purpose for posting?

Do you wish to point out how crazy, silly, absurd, idiotic you think we are??? Okay for arguments sake, you're right and you win. We heard your opinion, it's an open forum, now that we have your opinion, we're all set, thanks;)

BAM!
I have nothing personal against anyone for sharing their opinion, I would just like to give this thing the benefit of the doubt, until we (that will actually get the info) have further information.
Now, can we move on w/o the "hateration", and talk about BUTT SHOTS, please;)

VenusGoddess
05-27-2006, 11:19 AM
But This Guy Injects Saline Or Collagen I Have To Ask My Friend And I Would Definetly Ask Him Everything I Would Want To Know. I Am Pretty Sure He Is Not Supposed To Be Making House Calls Though...

If anyone decides to have this specific doctor do the injections, there are some things to be aware of and cautious of:

1) Doing this procedure in your home will prohibit you from being able to pursue full legal means of suing this doctor should he do something wrong. With no paper trail...and I'm assuming that he's collecting cash...there is no way to PROVE this doctor did or did not do the procedure.

I would strongly advise anyone getting this done to get it done at an office, with an appointment and paying via credit card...etc.

2) If this doc is accepting straight cash for the "in-home" procedure, he's evading taxes...most likely. I would be very wary of a doctor who is willing to "cut corners".

Definitely do a consult with the guy and make sure you know exactly what he is doing, etc. I had a friend who got collagen in her lips and the doctor fucked up...if she'd had done some more research, she would have seen he was not the right choice...but she just wanted something quick, cheap...

So, definitely do the consult, office visit, and research.

Sirona
05-27-2006, 11:59 AM
I think it's also important to take into consideration the ASAPS, ASPS, AACS, etc., all state that the administration of injectables and fillers is
a medical procedure and is subject to the same precautions of any medical
procedure.

ChloeTheRed
05-27-2006, 02:21 PM
While I've definitely seen some terrific booty-enhanced ladies (I'm a white girl, but good god do I ever want that perfect peach butt), it's a tricky thing to do right. For one thing, it seems like it's almost like sculpture; every booty will be different to start with, and everybody wants different results. Just like with a tattoo artist or piercer, with a plastic surgeon you're paying more for experience and skills than for anything else. You can get somebody to do it for less, but it's more of a crapshoot, as they aren't as experienced/don't have the proven track record.

As a microbiology technician, I have to put a couple cents in about the "doing it in somebody's home" thing. Getting something to what is clinically considered "sterile" is a tricky thing. Collagen is very supportive of the growth of certain microorganisms, so it has to be procured from a top-quality source (extremely expensive) and treated with great care to make sure it stays "good." For all the tools/bandages/etc, it requires an autoclave and a decent bit of experience with that particular autoclave to make sure that everything (pathogens, molds, spores) that may potentially be contaminating the things to be sterilized are all killed. This can be done way ahead of time with autoclave envelopes, but if you aren't in the doctor's office, they don't have access to a ready store of extras or to the autoclave if something gets contaminated. If something gets dropped/opened early/damaged and the doctor doesn't have enough spares, you would have to stop the procedure right then and there or else take the risk of getting a serious infection. And let me tell you, those are not just incredibly ugly-making but can be hugely life-threatening. If you don't have medical insurance, a few nights at the hospital on IV antibiotics can put you in debt for months or years to come.

I know I sound alarmist, but this is all reminding me of all the cases I've heard of fraudulent doctors injecting people with industrial silicon lubricant or even motor oil they called collagen. It works and looks nice for a few days to a few weeks or even a year, but sooner or later you start getting migration, necrosis, and infections.
http://www.ergogenics.org/silvestre.html
http://www.info-implants.com/BC/0024.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4994476.stm

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you're a goddess already, and while I totally understand the desire to be even more gorgeous, make sure you're getting the good treatment you most definitely deserve.
With apologies to Westley,
"There's a shortage of perfect bootys in this world. 'Twould be a pity to damage yours."

Djoser
05-27-2006, 03:14 PM
"There's a shortage of perfect bootys in this world. 'Twould be a pity to damage yours."

Since this is a public forum, and open to everyone's opinion, I'll give mine--as a man who has put many women onstage in hopes they will appeal to the customers, so they will spend money on her.

Bigger isn't necessarily better. Time and time again I hear how you have to have a big booty to shake it well--not true...

I have seen so many women with great big booties who clearly thought it looked great for the guys to see all that flesh jiggling and bouncing--not true...

I cannot bear to see it anymore, and I'm a fan of booty shaking. I have also seen customers clear away from the tip rail when this happens, perhaps waiting for a nice, natural, toned ass to reappear.

Many women have perfect asses, but knuckle under to media pressure to look like J Lo, or whothefuckever. I have seen at least one really horribly botched booty implant on an otherwise perfect girl, whose ass looked absurd. It totally destroyed her onstage appeal.

I'm sure if it's done correctly by a reputable and skilled practitioner, it could be a good thing, but I'm skeptical of the need for it. Cristalla's picture looked great, but it's hard to tell from the size of the picture, and I have no idea what the 'before' looked like, either.

Bigger is not better.

Of course, everyone has the right to do what they want with their bodies, but I wish women would relax and quit trying to mess with a good thing.

Cristalla
05-27-2006, 04:05 PM
ok then in my case was different ,being a liposculpture surgery 3 hours long, to lose inches from hips and having upper ass lifted with blended fat injections,so is not comparable to buttocks implanting ,but this doctor

(http://www.bodyimplants.com/costs_financing.html)

performs gluteal implants - same as the 20k doctor does - and his credentials and resume are great as well . he doesnt charge 20k though.
his prices for buttocks augmentation are still way lower than 20k
- about $ 7500 -

Djoser
05-27-2006, 05:11 PM
Well, from what I can tell from that picture, you might be the exception to the 'rule' I've noticed, Cristalla. It looks as though you have a quite admirable derriere, indeed...

I'm not saying no one could ever benefit from cosmetic surgery or injections, or whatever. I'm just observing that bigger isn't at all necessarily better, and is often far worse, when it comes to booties.

Not something to jump into lightly, without checking out credentials of the person doing the alteration, or due to a totally mistaken consensus from women who think that it requires a big booty to shake it well.

Cristalla
05-27-2006, 05:36 PM
is not about big or small i think is about proportions :)

if you are a big girl a small butt is not proportioned and vice versa

i noticed though ,in the USA vs EU ,many more dancers enhance their breasts to bigger cups+++

but americans have sometimes the idea of bigger=better... which i respect .

JustJayda
05-27-2006, 06:23 PM
Djoser, you like what you like, and of course that's cool;)

A bigger booty IS better, FOR ME, and MS. TATUM, and whoever thinks it is better for their own body. I could care less about guys moving away from a tip rail. I'm Black, that happens anydamnway.

I don't just want a bigger ass for stripping, I want it for "ME", and If I do get something done to my ass to have it enlarged/enhanced, and it turns out well, it will be greatly apprieciated in the clubs where I work. If it does not turn out well (botched), which could happen, I will have no choice but to deal with it.

Not to be smug, but stripping, is not my my main/only source of income, and fortunately it NEVER, will be.

I want a bigger booty, created by a procedure that I deem safe, and am comfortable with.
I hope anyone who's considering any procedure, would also be cautious, and well-educated before jumping in.

Chloe, personally, I don't think you sound like an alarmist. You provided some info I didn't have. Thank you, very sincerely.

Djoser
05-27-2006, 07:28 PM
A bigger booty IS better, FOR ME, and MS. TATUM, and whoever thinks it is better for their own body....

I don't just want a bigger ass for stripping, I want it for "ME"...

I cannot and will not argue with that. I hope you get a good job done, and it turns out the way you want it to...

MsTatum
05-27-2006, 09:38 PM
Ok, hold on a second. Who do you think you are? You are a complete newbie and you think your tone here is going to go over well? I would suggest you check the attitude at the sign-in screen. >:(

This is a forum...anyone can post. If you do not like the post or if you find it of no help to you, then leave it be. Otherwise, you are just going to cause problems for yourself.

Chill out.


Problems......ooohhhh I'm scared I'm shaking in my stilletoes..... ::) LoL!!! :D

Anyways moving on to bigger and better things......

Thanks Chloe those are really good sites....See you Monday Jayda...when they 're is useful info on here

JustJayda
05-27-2006, 09:44 PM
I'll be around, but a lil birdy told me the info will probably be delivered via email(not PM on SW), due to too much negative attention;( I think the little birdy is being cautious;)

LuckiCharm
05-27-2006, 10:00 PM
i live in atlanta, and i was actually wanting to get butt injections also. so i really wanna know about this guy too. the idea and prices of implants just dont do it for me...i wanna know more about this mysterey injection man! can one of yall ladies pm me when you get the info? and if u want i can give you my real email and u can send me the info that way. thanx alot!

JustJayda
05-27-2006, 10:11 PM
Lucki, I have spoken to the Godfather, you will not be forgotten. ;D

JustJayda
05-29-2006, 12:16 PM
I meant to post this link a while ago. It's approx. $1900 usd

www.belomed.com/services_cosmetic_hydrogel_butt.htm

seraya
05-29-2006, 12:29 PM
^^^ I have never heard of hydrogel fillers but i did a research and it is becoming quite popular. Apparently the results are permanent and hydrogel is made up of 97% water and the other 3% is made up of a substance (can't remember the name) which is FDA approved.

Anybody know of anyone who has used hydrogel as a filler (also for other body parts such as lips, cheeks)

Seraya.

JustJayda
05-29-2006, 12:35 PM
Dr. Belo said to let her know if/when I'm coming back, and she'll have a couple gals there at her office, so I can see/feel their asses!!! How cool is that!!!!

She said it wasn't approved for use in the US to her knowledge, but I haven't spoken to her since just after New Year's.

Sirona
05-29-2006, 01:47 PM
That's a female doctor in a clinic...

What happened to guy who did his work out of patients homes and clubs? I suppose if you're going to get it done at least your going with a doctor in an actual medical setting so the best of luck to you (i'm not being in the least bit snotty btw, i'm being sincere).

Incidentally hydrogel is the stuff the lining of baby diapers is made from, the little gel beads inside...

I know in the UK hydrogel breast implants were pulled off the market due to safety concerns. Standard polyacrylamide hydrogel is capable of sustaining bacteria which can cause later infections and inflammation which can lead to extrusion and excess scar tissue or capsular contracture in the case of breast implants. Furthermore the risk is higher in injectible form compared to contained implants.

There unfortunately isn't a lot of long term health data around relating to it so just be sure to carefully consider the risks.

JustJayda
05-29-2006, 02:07 PM
Yes, I know she's a female doctor in quite a few clinics. My posting that link has nothing to do with Layla's guy/Dr./source. Its just relevant to the thread (butt-shots) ;)

Sirona
05-29-2006, 03:48 PM
Ya I know, thought it was a better option that the weird dude. The hydrogel thing is interesting. Differing forms are used in everything from scar healing things to soil moisture retention to (I think) being in Restalyne (sp?)

There's a lot of differing opinions on it apparently. Looks like implants are better received than the injectable form.

*shrug*

You never know. Either way it's better than the other thing.

FrustratedBunny
05-29-2006, 09:20 PM
I would love for someone to just reshape my butt, sort of lift it and reduce my thighs. The super expensive guy seems like he's really good. I don't know though, maybe by the time I have $20k or more for my ass and thighs to be reshaped all the work I do in the gym will have the same result.

Vyanka
05-31-2006, 06:57 AM
Keyra, is that girl enhanced back there?

I thought hers was real if so.

Jacki
03-30-2013, 05:04 PM
can someone help me find a contact?

GlamourRouge
03-30-2013, 05:58 PM
can someone help me find a contact?

Yes, go read every one of the posts in these threads and you'll find several!




!


!

Jacki
03-30-2013, 07:17 PM
Yes, go read every one of the posts in these threads and you'll find several!




!


!






i cant find any contacts in the links??

safado
03-31-2013, 07:20 PM
i cant find any contacts in the links??

Try these two women for contacts, their names are in the articles but I think it may be a while before they take on new patients.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173037/Kimberly-Smedley-Woman-responsible-botched-buttock-injections-sentenced-years-jail.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216042/Padge-Windslowe-Friend-tells-Black-Madam-closed-surgery-Krazy-Glue--fled-dancer-went-arrest.html

GlamourRouge
03-31-2013, 09:41 PM
Try these two women for contacts, their names are in the articles but I think it may be a while before they take on new patients.





Look, you did the work for her! How nice :). Those are the 2 best and most sought-after contacts in the silicone injecting industry! Good luck, I'm sure you'll be really happy with your results Jacki :)!

missyqueenb
06-15-2013, 07:05 AM
Lol y'all gonna end up looking like the next vanity wonder. Women are so stupid with their health these days y'all sound like 5 yr olds talking bout " I don't care if its not FDA approved". If you did research like you claimed then you would know its not safe point plank period. Any doubts? Look to Columbia and Dominican and Brazil. The certified popular doctors don't use injections they use fat grafting. Yaris Sanchez, SoBlessed, Curvy J to name a few are prime examples of the procedure. Burns my heart to see black women as the leaders in this new trend of self mutilation. Do your research ladies. I don't need to sit here and give you the stats if you did proper research you will learn the truth. Hydrogel, Pmma, and whatever else is not safe for injections into large regions In the body. And if you find a doctor claiming to inject hydrogel but the price is under 30k then it's not hydrogel. Anyways that's my 2 cents. When you experience negative side effects please come back and post it here so you can help other ladies learn the truth. Thanks in advance.

Nickirose20
12-03-2013, 11:06 AM
How much fat do you need?

Can you use out of your breasts?

Where is it done?

TheWaitress
09-03-2014, 12:32 PM
Does anyone know who does the injections for the girls at V-Live? Pm me please.