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Korina
06-08-2006, 10:33 AM
Is there any club, any where, where a dancer can earn even $200 on average w/o doing lap dances?

That's what I'm talking about when I say that things are changing![/QUOTE]

The club where I work is mostly stage tipping. A year ago, i could make $200 per 5hour shift just from stage dancing. That social change I spoke about it making it harder. For some reason, Sunday afternoons are the ony shift I even get close to that amount.

I walked last Friday night w/ only $89 after tip out :( !!

That's how bad it has become.

RoseWhite
06-08-2006, 07:00 PM
There has always been those clubs that are considered "dirty". The issue is that clubs that were once pretty tame are now becoming "dirty". The tame clubs don't offer much in the way of income. Tipping stage side is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. I once could pull a $300-500 shift w/o doing a single table dance. That was all from stage tipping. Pamela used to work in a club where she never gave a lap dance, ever, and still made good money.

Is there any club, any where, where a dancer can earn even $200 on average w/o doing lap dances?

That's what I'm talking about when I say that things are changing!

Lily Burana deals with this throughout her book "Strip City"; having taken a long break from dancing, she decided to give it a cross-country grand finale, and found that even within a few years, things had changed drastically. "Stripping didn't always used to be so touchy-feely", she writes. In her relatively recent heyday, table dances were the norm, all done airdance-style. Contact (even one-way, dancer-->customer) as a taken-for-granted norm was a shock to her. In club after club, she found herself having to make the choice: violate your own boundaries, or make no money. It didn't happen everywhere, but the trend was as undeniable as it was unstoppable. I wonder what her thoughts on this thread would be?

RoseWhite
06-08-2006, 07:10 PM
Good point.

If you think about it, though, just plain dancing has gotten a lot more dirty over the years. A high school prom looks like an orgy of dry sex, whereas in the mid nineties contact (civilian) dancing was considered more scandalous. Now everyone who dances with ANYONE is usually grinding.

It's kind of gross. :-\

And THIS is also a good point. Very true. Social dancing has always been something of a thinly-veiled excuse to touch the opposite sex in socially acceptable ways, among its loftier functions, but yeah. Think about how they danced at a sock hop in the fifties, and look at any nightclub today. Maybe what's happening in our clubs isn't totally separate from other cultural trends, even though we sometimes feel isolated in or insulated from it.

Food for thought: We often think of good old-fashioned burlesque as being the tradition from which modern day stripping has evolved, which is certainly true, but it may not be our only lineage. Watch the movie "Sweet Charity" - is the 'taxi dance' that the girls do, in a sense, really the predecessor of the modern day lap dance? Discuss.

Paris
06-09-2006, 11:07 AM
Food for thought: We often think of good old-fashioned burlesque as being the tradition from which modern day stripping has evolved, which is certainly true, but it may not be our only lineage. Watch the movie "Sweet Charity" - is the 'taxi dance' that the girls do, in a sense, really the predecessor of the modern day lap dance? Discuss.

I totally see Taxi dancing as the predesessor to the modern Lap dance. Many people don't even know what the term "Burlesque" means, and I'd be willing to bet that even less know what Taxi dancing is.

Check it out here. (http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3taxi1.htm)

It appears that these girls showed up about the end of era of the saloon girl/ can-can dancers.

PhillyDancer1982
06-09-2006, 12:29 PM
I felt this way at Wizzards sometimes. Even though diversity of looks is a good thing, admittedly I look back now and realize that some of the girls were not the best-looking or thinnest(no one in particular). There were dead day shifts where us skinny, better-looking girls would get screwed outta money because while we'd be on stage, one of the hard-hustling, sometimes-heavier girls would go over to the guy, and practically drag him back to the couch room with his dick as if it were a leash. The one manager was all about following the rules and was outraged when he'd hear girls talking about other girls who did "dick-grabbing," but there was only so much he could do; a lotta girls surprisingly got away with extras, even when bouncers and managers tried to keep an eye out for it(mostly b/c of the dark lighting & way the couch room was set up) Meanwhile, I'd be dancing on stage and I wouldn't even have a chance to get $1 from the guy when I finished my set, simply b/c this "extras" girl would have him occupied in the couch room, all stemming from grabbing his crotch then telling him the extras that she'd do.

One way that I fought to compete, was to LIE about doing extras LOL!! I only did this ONCE, when completely drunk at a bachelor party within the first month I started stripping lol. Basically I needed money bad(I was in a dire BAD financial state), had to leave work soon, and I wasn't getting any tips or dances from the so-called money-making bachelor party we had at work that night. I wanted at least one goddam dance so I could feel like I made literally SOMETHING for the 40mins I spent back in the bachelor party room. So in my drunken state, I started telling the young guys that I got caught giving head during a dance before(COMPLETELY UNTRUE!!). The guys looked skeptical but then one guy finally got a dance from me, to find out what my head was like I guess. I just gave him an ordinary non-extras dance but he was pretty pissed at the end of it, he was like "liar, heh she doesn't give head or anything she said." They weren't very willing to get subsequent dances from me, so this lying/teasing thing only worked for 1 dance. I don't usually lie though, because I wouldn't want the wrong people overhearing me and then me getting in trouble for something I don't even do!

And as for what red red red said about sometimes the good-looking girls doing extras too...I've noticed that too. Yeah sometimes the uglier girls do more extras because they need an extra edge on the competition, but I've seen/heard of pretty girls getting caught doing extras. Not long ago at my old club, apparently a girl that I thought was very nice got caught having sex in the champagne room. Someone who'd vented about how horrible it was when her customer told her that another girl had tried to give him a handjob in the champagne room before. It just makes you wonder how well you know people.

AnnaPDX
06-09-2006, 02:39 PM
One of the clubs in Portland is advertising as a taxi dancing club and I've been curious ever since I saw their ad (in the newest local strip club magazine, SX, which debuted last month). It's this super divey club called Roosters. I kinda want to check it out, to see if they're really doing taxi dancing in the traditional sense, or if that's just code for something else.

mark45y
06-09-2006, 09:05 PM
It was 1961 in Detroit Michigan.

There were two theaters that offered stage strip dancing that included burlesque comics with baggy pants and the whole show thing. There was a runway down the middle of the theater. Half of the guys were normal the other half were the raincoat guys with newspapers on their laps.

There was another run down movie theatre that had old couches in a back room for some kind of lap dancing and doing drugs.

In the 13th precinct there were about a hundred brothels and at least 100 girls walking the street every night.

There were also 20 or 30 blind pigs. A blind pig was a illegal drinking and gambling club that did not check id’s at the door.

Rock was just beginning and was not too big but there were a lot of jazz clubs and a couple of blues clubs and folk clubs where the drug of choice was heroin and you could hook up most night in the rest rooms. I remember watching Miles Davis shoot up in the men’s room at a club called Moon something.

There were also two taxi dance clubs. The taxi dance clubs were very close to Wayne State University in downtown Detroit. There were also a number of brothels close to these clubs.

They did not check id’s at the taxi dance clubs. A a 16 year old male had no trouble gaining admittance to the brothels, blind pigs or jazz clubs.

At the taxi dance clubs you bought a strip of tickets for dances. The ladies sat in kind of a bull pen and you walked over and asked them to dance.

If you danced in the middle of the floor nothing went on. They were all slow dances. If you danced at the edge of the floor or in the darker corners you could have sex standing up or some derivation of that depending on the price.

It was common for the high school guys to come in from the suburbs a couple of times a week to visit the downtown establishments. Birth control had not been invented and HS girls were not putting out much back then.

I became much more familiar with these establishments a few years later as my first job out of college was with HUD as a VD investigator, tracking down and trying to stop the spread of STDs.

The advent of Birth control pills radically changed the sex scene. With pregnancy removed as a threat the college and HS girls began to have sex in numbers equal to men and the demand for paid sex dropped radically among young men. The 60’s, hippies and love ins and all the other trappings of the era took over and the brothels and taxi dance halls and old style burlesque faded into the background.

I left the US in 1968 and returned in 1971. I went home to Detroit to visit and they were all gone. No brothels (or very few). No burlesque and no Taxi dance. The jazz clubs were gone, the folk and blues clubs had moved to Chicago and strip clubs with poles had begun to show up in the suburbs but downtown was a wasteland.

RoseWhite
06-09-2006, 09:22 PM
At the taxi dance clubs you bought a strip of tickets for dances. The ladies sat in kind of a bull pen and you walked over and asked them to dance.

If you danced in the middle of the floor nothing went on. They were all slow dances. If you danced at the edge of the floor or in the darker corners you could have sex standing up or some derivation of that depending on the price.

Thanks for posting that, Mark. It's funny, I've been thinking about this topic today, after posting earlier. As chaste as taxi dancing seems by today's standards, I wondered if there wasn't, in reality, a lot of what we consider 'extras' going on as well - maybe on the sidelines, in another room, or offers to meet outside the dance hall. And there you go! I guess it's true - the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Lysondra
06-09-2006, 09:29 PM
Um, there was birth control in 1961.

Fuck, there was birth control in 200AD

RoseWhite
06-09-2006, 10:03 PM
True, methods of birth control have always been around, with varying degrees of effectiveness to say the least. But the cultural impact of the birth control pill really was huge, a major factor in the "sexual revolution", though thtere were certainly other factors as well. As for what birth control methods were available pre-1960, this is pretty interesting:
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/71/81244.htm?action=related_link

I particularly like this. "1930-1960: The most popular female contraceptive is Lysol disinfectant. Ads tout it as a feminine hygiene product, with testimonials from prominent European 'doctors.' Later investigation by the American Medical Association showed that these experts did not exist. Despite its longstanding popularity, Lysol does not work as a contraceptive."

LYSOL!?! Give me a moment to thank my lucky stars for being born when I was . . .

Melonie
06-10-2006, 03:45 AM
yeah, well, I've worked in a few clubs where some of the girls would have benefitted from using Lysol as a feminine hygiene spray !!!!

I'll even elaborate ...

In a small city club a few years back, there were originally 12 'clean' dancers. One dancer quit, and the owner quickly hired a new girl ... who immediately started to monopolize VIP room business. It didn't take long to figure out where her huge customer appeal was coming from (extras). The 11 'clean' dancers got down on the clubowner to fire this new girl, which he did (initially at least ... but that's another story).

However, as the days passed after the extras girl was fired, the other dancers noticed a strange smell in the dressing room ... which seemed to be getting more and more objectionable every day. We eventually started to think that a rat had died inside a wall partition or something. After a week or so the stink was getting so bad that we formed a 'search party' to find and remove the source of the stink, whatever it was.

Under a pile of boxes and papers in the corner of the dressing room, we discovered that the 'fragrant' object was actually one of the extras girl's G-strings which she apparently flung into the corner the night she was fired. There were so many layers of 'residue' built up on the G-string pad that it was like counting the rings on a tree stump !


The 'another story' part, which is more on topic, is that the owner of this club got to thinking about the fact that he earned way more money from his cut of the extras girl's VIP room business than he did from the 'clean' dancers. As a result, within a couple of months after the above incident, he hired back the very same extras girl as well as a couple of her 'friends' who also did extras. The remaining 'clean' dancers again attempted to come down on the clubowner - but this time he balked about firing anybody. After another week or so all of the remaining 'clean' dancers put an ultimatum to the clubowner to either fire the extras girls or all of the 'clean' dancers would quit. The clubowner thought about it for about 30 seconds, and then said 'see ya' to the 'clean' dancers. He reached for the phone and called some clubowner buddies in neighboring cities, and before the 'clean' dancers could change back into street clothes, pack up, and cash out, five or six additional extras girls had already arrived at the club !

In case you're wondering, about half of the 'clean' dancers were able to get hired in non-extras clubs in nearby cities ... the other half wound up leaving the dancing business. The clubowner in question kept operating with virtually 100% extras dancers for a few months, and made a fortune. However, as word of the goings-on at this club began to leak out, the city passed an anti-dance club ordinance, then started regularly busting this club. After about six months of revolving door busts and court appearances, the club closed down altogether. However, the anti-dance club ordinance is still on the books, and no other club has been able to open in that particular small city due to the anti-dance club ordinance requiring any 'new' clubs to meet zoning and minimum exposure requirements (i.e. located next to the city dump, with dancers required to wear full bottoms and pasties).

This early example of the 'extras cycle' has seemed to hold true in lots of other cities. First the extras start. Next the 'clean' dancers start to be driven out of the business. Next the club culture changes from a 'show' club to a 'sex' club. Next the local gov't responds by passing new ordinances and busting the club in an attempt to clean things up. Next is a revolving door of busts, court cases, appeals etc. which cost both the local gov't and the clubowner/dancers a lot of money. Finally the local gov't prevails, but in the process conditions have been created which makes it impossible for a 'clean' club with 'clean' dancers to ever operate profitably in that city again. This either results in no clubs staying in business, or clubs and dancers being forced to operate in a technically illegal mode in order to earn any money (with the revolving door of low key extras, occasional club busts, court cases, plea bargains, criminal records etc. becoming a regular part of the club's business model)
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mark45y
06-10-2006, 09:26 AM
Um, there was birth control in 1961.

Fuck, there was birth control in 200AD

I didn’t say there was not birth control. I said the advent of the birth control pill. Condoms are far from foolproof.

I know it might be hard for a person who has never been exposed to a society where the worst thing one could catch from unprotected sex could be cured by a shot of penicillin (with the exception of herpes). But that was the reality between 1960 and 1980. Honest, everybody fucked like bunnies.

It effected every facet of life. Personal relationships, strip clubs, prostitution; every thing that was touched by sex. No consequences, no kids no incurable disease no downside to having indiscriminate sex.

Throw in the fact that LSD was legal for a couple of years and the availability of drugs was not complicated by gang bangers and thugs. Pot was legal in some cities in the US like Ann arbor the home of the University of Michigan and tolerated in many other places. Heroin was a literary drug and poets and writers and musicians were heroes with a habit. Poets actually drew large audiences and people tripped for weeks at a time and dancers danced on real or induced highs and you have the 60’s.

It was all really caused by a lot of things the birth control pill being central to the whole scene. It gave women the same independence that men had had forever. The freedom felt by those women for the first time to be equal to men in determining what happened with their bodies and lives seemed to ignite a generation into freedom of expression and music and arts.

Korina
06-10-2006, 11:43 AM
Um, there was birth control in 1961.

Fuck, there was birth control in 200AD

I heard this on the radio: The oldest unused condom recorded is on display in a museum in Austria. Apparently, this condom is dated back to 1640.

just a bit of trivia :)

francescadubois
06-10-2006, 02:30 PM
what was the condom made of ?

xoxoGracexoxo
06-10-2006, 02:32 PM
^^The intestinal linings of animals. True.

Yekhefah
06-10-2006, 02:44 PM
The ancient Egyptians used to use crocodile dung for contraceptives. They'd stuff it up the vagina to block semen. And in the Middle East, during ancient times they used a half a lemon inserted into the vagina up by the cervix. It worked quite well - the rind acted as a barrier, and the citric acid gave an additional spermicidal bonus.

Nonetheless, I am happy for the Pill.

francescadubois
06-10-2006, 04:10 PM
OMG, I'm gonna be ill. Crocodile dung?!?!

azcustomer
06-10-2006, 05:27 PM
The ancient Egyptians used to use crocodile dung for contraceptives. They'd stuff it up the vagina to block semen. And in the Middle East, during ancient times they used a half a lemon inserted into the vagina up by the cervix. It worked quite well - the rind acted as a barrier, and the citric acid gave an additional spermicidal bonus.

Nonetheless, I am happy for the Pill.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


I can't believe you actually know this! This had to come from some research you've done for a script. All right, now I'm going to watch for the movie or tv show which incorporates this into it's story line. Don't worry Yek, when I find out your true identity, I'll keep it to myself (and laugh some more).

Thanks!

Yekhefah
06-10-2006, 07:42 PM
LOL! Actually I've never used it in a script... I'm interested in the history of feminism, birth control, and the sexual revolution. I've done a lot of personal research in these areas just because I find it interesting, and I wrote a few papers on these subjects when I was an undergrad.

Yeah, I'm just a hopeless nerd. :blush:

fiery_lady
06-10-2006, 08:33 PM
There is really only two ways to eliminate prostitution from your clubs if you don't want to have to do it yourself. One is for a group of clean dancers to get together and complain to management and go up the chain of command all the way to corporate. If that doesn't work: Than I'm afraid that you are stuck with option 2 which most of you aren't going to want to hear.

This option concerns going to law enforcement and lawyers as a group and making the arrest these girls and bust the club for pimping and pandering which is in fact what they are doing if they choose to turn a blind eye while it's going on. I know that the idea of 'snitching' on people doesn't turn anyone on, but you need to do what you need to do. If you don't make sure the laws are enforced, you will all end up turning tricks for $10 a pop or have to get a regular job.

I know a lot of ladies don't think that clubs can get that bad ($10 a fuck), but believe me, I've seen it happen. Once you start going downhill, it will continue if it's not stopped. When I started stripping, I was 18 back in 1988. Back then I got paid $15/hour plus I kept all my tips. I was making $300-500 a night just to dance in a bikini out in Jersey. These same clubs that I used to work in are now whorehouses where girls will do anything for a buck. Needless to say, I got out of the business when table dances became bump and grind lap dances.

If you guys are showing up to work an 8 hour shift, you damn deserve to get paid for it even if it's minimum wage. Also, you deserve to keep all your tips -- you earned them. If you want to tip out waitresses and bouncers as a friendly gesture, that's fine. But, you shouldn't be forced to. I don't care how many dancers are out there, the club needs to pay them. If they can't afford to do so then they need to cut back on some of the girls or find another business.

Djoser
06-10-2006, 11:16 PM
...some of the girls were not the best-looking or thinnest(no one in particular). There were dead day shifts where us skinny, better-looking girls would get screwed outta money...

...I'd be dancing on stage and I wouldn't even have a chance to get $1 from the guy when I finished my set, simply b/c this "extras" girl would have him occupied in the couch room, all stemming from grabbing his crotch then telling him the extras that she'd do.

...And as for what red red red said about sometimes the good-looking girls doing extras too...I've noticed that too. Yeah sometimes the uglier girls do more extras because they need an extra edge on the competition, but I've seen/heard of pretty girls getting caught doing extras....Someone who'd vented about how horrible it was when her customer told her that another girl had tried to give him a handjob in the champagne room before. It just makes you wonder how well you know people.

I have seen all this, it's very true in some clubs, especially.

There are some very attractive women who give up extras, but from my experience they are outnumbered.

Djoser
06-10-2006, 11:44 PM
The ancient Egyptians used to use crocodile dung for contraceptives. They'd stuff it up the vagina to block semen. And in the Middle East, during ancient times they used a half a lemon inserted into the vagina up by the cervix. It worked quite well - the rind acted as a barrier, and the citric acid gave an additional spermicidal bonus.

Nonetheless, I am happy for the Pill.

I have read accounts of Cleopatra combining these methods...

Of course, much of the lore concerning Cleopatra being a total slut comes from Roman sources. The Romans were quite happy to slander her, having no great fondness for her after she seduced Marc Antony into abandoning his Roman wife. Continuing the cycle of the Civil Wars which ended the Republic, he went to war with Octavian, and came close to saddling Rome with an Egyptian-born ruler.

They called her 'The woman with 10,000 mouths', a reference to the number of men she'd supposedly satisfied orally.

Theodora, the consort of Justinian, and arguably the real power behind the throne, was another famous profligate historical figure. Accustomed to prostitution from childhood, she once entertained a large group of people by using trained geese to nibble from her kitty.

Once she married Justinian, however, she stopped being naughty, and instead became one of the most ruthless and powerful women in history.

Casanova used a condom made from sheep's intestine.

Of course, the Pill, with it's ease of administration, reliability, and a lack of unesthetic qualities, did bring about a kind of Sexual Revolution--in spite of the fact that inferior methods had been in use long before its introduction.

Yekhefah
06-11-2006, 01:18 AM
Glad to hear I'm not the only geek who's into this stuff. :D

Melonie
06-11-2006, 01:51 AM
This option concerns going to law enforcement and lawyers as a group and making the arrest these girls and bust the club for pimping and pandering which is in fact what they are doing if they choose to turn a blind eye while it's going on. I know that the idea of 'snitching' on people doesn't turn anyone on, but you need to do what you need to do. If you don't make sure the laws are enforced, you will all end up turning tricks for $10 a pop or have to get a regular job.

I would point out that in today's club culture this could be a very 'risky' tactic to contemplate. Law Enforcement could turn an equally blind eye towards the accusations, or Law Enforcement could choose to charge the accusers with the same transgressions that they are accusing other dancers of doing. Clubowners will also not respond favorably to such accusations, potentially resulting in the accusing dancers being 'blacklisted' from all area clubs in the best case (and I won't even speculate about a worst case scenario).

Djoser
06-11-2006, 02:12 AM
I'd have to agree with Melonie. If you tried this in some clubs, they'd find you in the trunk of a car, or never find you, period...

fiery_lady
06-11-2006, 05:14 AM
I would point out that in today's club culture this could be a very 'risky' tactic to contemplate. Law Enforcement could turn an equally blind eye towards the accusations, or Law Enforcement could choose to charge the accusers with the same transgressions that they are accusing other dancers of doing. Clubowners will also not respond favorably to such accusations, potentially resulting in the accusing dancers being 'blacklisted' from all area clubs in the best case (and I won't even speculate about a worst case scenario).


I understand what you are saying about law enforcement being corrupt which would mean they would have to go over their head or higher up the chain of command. I also know that their are rumors, true or not true, that organized crime plays a part in the operations of some of the clubs. Even so, I doubt they could kill all of us. If they were able to put Gotti away, they can put the rest away as well. Also, I believe there was a club in Atlantic City that was mob run that was busted for the same thing by an FBI investigation?? I'm not sure.

If all these women stuck together, I doubt they could blacklist all of them especially if it became public knowledge through the press, etc. what was actually going on. I think a lot of the problem is that women who are strippers are scared to come out of the closet so to speak. But, I feel they need to speak up for themselves and stop being so afraid of being known as a stripper. To quote the gay saying that Silence equals Death. Also, another quote, "well-behaved women seldom make history."

Phil-W
06-11-2006, 06:18 AM
I think an underlying problem is that the shock factor has gone out of striptease.

If you go back 30 years, (when I first saw a dancer), the nudity was less explicity. I first saw a stag show when I was 18. One of the dancers was introduced as the "dirtiest dancer in Brighton" and she got this accolade by opening her legs and showing her kitty. The other dancers kept their legs together, (although they let guys briefly rub baby lotion into their boobs).

Even in the pubs, it was seldom explicit. Pub dancers would typically do two strips. The first was topless, and the second full frontal, (but generally no kitty).

By the standards of the time that was far more nudity that you normally saw. There was little or no nudity on television and no topless sunbathing. There was accordingly shock value to it.

If you fast forward to today, nudity is far more prevelant. There's nudity on demand available on satallite TV or over the internet, there's far more nudity in public, (i.e. on beachs, etc), and everyone has become so much more accustomed to it. The shock factor has gone out of conventional striptease.

This means if guy goes to a strip venue, there's no longer the same erotic stimui from nudity alone. Accordingly, those looking for a greater stimulus tend to gravitate towards the extras girls.

I think you've got to add a changing moral climate to the above - a decade ago it was considered morally wrong to be an extras girl, or to be that sort of customer that went seeking for extras. Now it's become more "acceptable", which means it's less of a moral decision for a dancer to decide to do extras, or less of a "shaming" thing for a guy to buy them.

I've got to be honest; I know several girls who do extra's. (On a friendly basis only, I hasten to add). I did talk to one about it, and she said its as emotionally significant to her as cleaning her teeth. Her bf is also fully aware she does extras and has no problem with it. (He's a perfectly normal and nice guy - I've met him a few times).

I've also had some arguements with guys who buy extras on a UK discussion board. My arguement is "why buy extras from a girl who probably despises you and only sees you as a source of $$$'s?"

There are two broad classes of response:

(a) They enjoy it, and she doesn't do it for more than a few favoured customers. (And pigs might fly!!!)

(b) I don't care what the girls think as long as I get my satisfaction.

Finally, I'll put my own views on the record - never had an extra and never want one. To my mind striptease is escapist entertainment, and I never want to take it more seriously than that.

Phil.

Korina
06-11-2006, 11:23 AM
what was the condom made of ?

They didn't say, but apparently it was quite large.

happygo
08-01-2006, 03:36 PM
Maybe I'm sounding a bit niave since I am new to dancing, but I was told by the DJ who hired me that there were only two areas in the club, the vip area and the champagne lounge, he also assured me that it was a clean club with no tolerance for extras.
After my first night I found out from a customer that there was a special room in the back were there were no cameras, which he asked to go to.
I am wondering if this is a sign that this is a bad club to start off in, since I refuse to do any extras I don't want to waste time in a club where I cant make money.

miabella
08-01-2006, 03:57 PM
it is entirely likely that the 'there's a room with no camera!' thing is a customer's fairy story to get you somewhere you feel unprotected.

Cheif_Bigfoot
08-01-2006, 04:14 PM
See this is a bit old but I'd but I would never want an extras girl. Like everyone said there are guys that look for it and guys that don't want it. I wish you luck in finding the guys that don't want it.

Andygirl
08-01-2006, 06:45 PM
I've been doing air dances for 12 years and I'm still going strong. Fortunately I just started at a low contact club here in town where you don't see many "extras." The place is always busy and it seems like all of the girls make money.

Not all guys want a ho. Some actually like attractive dancers who can hold a conversation. Just because you aren't blowing the guy doesn't mean you can't still give a very sexy dance.

Pretty_Penny
08-01-2006, 07:44 PM
clean girls will always lose money to girls who do extras. there will always be a great supply of men looking for the "most they can get" for their money. that's not to say you can't make money without doing extras, lots of us do it every day. i'm not even saying all men would accept extras. a lot -are- looking for them or -are- willing to take them if offered though. it's just a fact.