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Tart
06-13-2006, 10:23 PM
yah im just posting the info because i cant decide myself on whether its true or not.

I have no real reason to doubt anything she would say., because i dont know her but it just struck me as odd. the entire thing.

And again im going with " the police just left my house". it was like..whoa did she really just say they JUST left her house..and she's really got right on here?! i mean maybe she wrote it that way but meant it another ..like they had left earlier that day or something.

I blog like a mad woman., infact I blog more then I talk to people in the real world. Im sorta one of those that shares shit with the entire world but through writing only. So naturally if something happened ..tragic etc I would blog about it. But truthfully it would be very short if it was the same day, or it would be nonsense and babble about how much I miss and love .. why can't they come back .. is it really happening. Grief basically is what would show.

Asking for money... what? I mean yah given her situation ..pregnant with a very small child still in diapers. Still very dependant at that... her husband supposedly gone .. she is going to go into the entire survival mode...however, . So survival one would think would be .. her daughter .. her unborn son..his first child..his first son.

her husband's website and buisness is still up

( with no mention of his death no memorial etc..no link to a donations page ) ., so she would get residuals ( or so you'd think ) from his buisness etc. although she's out of porn she does have her merch., not that its enough to keep her afloat but for right now till the dust settles and she gets his arrangements made it will tide over.

So why the rush on asking for money on the same day his death is mentioned .. I can't really grasp.

and with the fact i can give a situation that has nothing to do with me in the least thismuch thought goes to show how fucking bored and how much nervous energy i have waiting on my brothers wife to have their first child lol. I swear after 2 kids of my own., i had no idea how long it took..or how crazy everyone in the waiting rooms and at home are going.

kittenkat
06-13-2006, 11:22 PM
I know that she doesn't own the house she's in, and she hates Utah.

I feel terrible for her loss, but I'm not sure about how she's going about asking for money. If she has a lot of stocks, I think she needs to liquidate some of it before she starts begging for money. I'm not saying she has to be bankrupt or anything... but if you have a million bucks in stocks and you're begging for money because you don't wanna liquidate them, then I think you've got issues.

Djoser
06-13-2006, 11:26 PM
It does seem quite strange that she would immediately get online and ask for money, yes.

I have twice had people close to me die unexpectedly, once my brother, and once my best friend, who happened to get killed four days before my mom died (who was, sadly, expected to go). You tend to go into shock.

The exceptions are out there, and actually, looking back, I was very together when my friend got killed, but I was already in the process of dealing with my mom dying--a long drawn out ordeal. Also there was a lot of commotion with people from the club there, and a strong presence was required. When my mom went 4 days later, though, I went into a totally weird, dazed state for a while--prepared or not--until I helped my friend's Gfriend move, and I worked again.

Maybe the hormones and the worrying about what to do took over--and everyone's different, too.

It's still really weird that she's asking for money online, though. I don't think I'd do such a thing.

kittenkat
06-14-2006, 12:11 AM
DJ, I've always enjoyed your posts. I'm a sporadic poster so ppl here don't remember me.

Hello!

I do feel really sorry for Asia's loss.

I do feel for Asia and her family.

You can't expect a person in her situation to be able to think logically, so I'm going to cut her slack. She has my condolences. I can also understand her panic in a way- her MENSA membership doesn't do jack shit without the formal education or job experience that can help her in the job market. Sorry, but stripping/porn is not something to put down on the resume' in the real job market... she's been doing porn since 19 and not much (if anything) else. Being socially phobic makes getting a job harder. So, here's a widow with 2 kids and a rough future in terms of career because of a lack of formal education or job experience... WITH a mental disorder.

Personally, if I was her, I would try to cash in my retirement (if it exists) for a while, lose weight, get back into porn for a few years while she can still re-enter at the top, live in a small house (no more mansions in Malibu or Corvettes...) save like a motherfucker, get some formal education in the process, and get psychological help for her social phobia. Asia has a rough road ahead of her, and I wish her the best of luck.

On the other hand, I can understand why people think her actions are fishy. She constantly talked about how she was making a buttload of money, investing it, etc on her blog. I've been reading her blog for years. When you ask people for money, people will want to know what your financial state is, and that's going to be expected. If she isn't destitute, it's dishonest (again, I cut her slack because of her situation) to make yourself sound destitute if you're not. The reason people are suspicious come from the fact that she has been talking about her financial prowess for years, and showing the lifestyle to go with it (vacationing at the Bacara in Santa Barbara is expensive as fuck). Being a public figure, she's bound to have haters and receive criticism. It's possible that she invested a lot of money into her husband's business. I know that her house in Utah isn't paid for. Some porn stars live well above their means, so if that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised.

I will never, ever be financially dependent on another person unless I can help it. I've seen this type of thing happen one too many times.

kittenkat
06-14-2006, 03:07 AM
I'm too pragmatic for funerals too. When I go, I simply want to be cremated becase I fail to see the point in paying loads of money to preserve a body that I'm never going to use and get a plot of land that I'm not going to use. Funerals are just another stress and expense, and not really worth it unless s/he was a wildly popular person and people need to pay their respects so they won't trickle in and out of the house all the time.

Funerals aren't really for the dead- it's for the surviving people to pay their last respects. Generally, you won't be paying for a funerla- the survivors do. I'm practical too, and don't care for a funeral. On the other hand, if Don had a family and they wanted a funeral, it can be kinda rough for a family member to be denied a funeral of immediate family by a spouse (dunno if that's the case, I'm just speaking as a generalization).

kittenkat
06-14-2006, 03:18 AM
Did you guys know that she graduated from Stuyvesant High School?



She didn't- if you check out her Bio, she graduated from a school of performing arts, which Stuyvesant is not.

Djoser
06-14-2006, 03:23 AM
...She constantly talked about how she was making a buttload of money, investing it, etc on her blog. I've been reading her blog for years. When you ask people for money, people will want to know what your financial state is, and that's going to be expected...The reason people are suspicious come from the fact that she has been talking about her financial prowess for years, and showing the lifestyle to go with it (vacationing at the Bacara in Santa Barbara is expensive as fuck)...

Exactly. There are plenty of people in just as bad a shape, though it sounds harsh to say so.

And I hate asking people for money--hell, I have 1400$ left in a joint account that is mine by inheritance, and I dislike asking for any of it from my stepdad, lol--unless there's a damned good reason--even if there's several thousand more coming on a regular basis.

Kids will make a big difference, as could an emotional state of shock. Nonetheless, I wouldn't send her anything until I had proof that 1) her husband was indeed tragically killed, and 2) she really was destitute. Even then, I'd be inclined to donate to someone in similar straits who hadn't blown large earnings on luxury hotels, etc.

mermaidnz
06-14-2006, 05:13 AM
maybe somone hacked her site?

VenusGoddess
06-14-2006, 05:53 AM
No, no no! No you, not anyone here on SW! I was referring to the website who's links were provided earlier, to a porn forum site. It seemed so brutal how they were ripping Asia, even for people who may be in doubt that her husband even died at all. I don't know, I just assumed that he really did die and thought it cruel that people were saying she was stupid for not having life insurance w/ her husband, not having saved her money, not being more self-sufficient considering her popularity. All those things may be solid gold truth but it seemed really cruel the way they were posing those facts, as if they hated her or something. I in no way meant SW people were "f-ing assholes". I love SW.

I know...I apologized a few posts back. ;)

WiseGuy_TX
06-14-2006, 06:10 AM
She didn't- if you check out her Bio, she graduated from a school of performing arts, which Stuyvesant is not....according to the net it's Stuyvesant High.

List of Stuyvesant High School people (http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-stuyvesant-high-school-people)
Where Celebs and Socialites Got Schooled (http://www.jossip.com/gossip/stuyvesant-high/)
Asia Carrera - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Carrera)

...her bio2 (http://www.asiacarrera.com/bio2.html) concerning her life and money/investments is interesting.

As for me, as Djoser said, i can accept her being in shock and feeling intense fear of being alone with young ones. Then, in shock, going overboard worrying about how to take care of her family and posting asking for money even though she may have money. Which all kinda plays into her "bio2" about being a runaway without money which seems to have had an affect in that regard. I find it fishy but can accept it until more info says otherwise.

Darcy Foxx
06-14-2006, 06:37 AM
the thing that really strikes me as particularly odd, is when you google "don lemmon" absolutely nothing turns up about his death.

for those of you saying it's strange how she posted so immediately after the cops supposedly left her house, people deal with shock in different ways. a few years ago, one of my very good friends was on her way out of the house when she found her father dead on the couch (he'd had a heart attack). she called the paramedics, then immediately went online and posted a coherent and factual blog about what had just happened, purely in a state of shock. so i can understand why asia may have come and written that straight away.

even so, as much as i would hate to find out that it is a lie, it does seem really, really suspicious.

mermaid: it's possible that maybe the site WAS hacked. i mean, she makes a point of saying her email address is asiac not asia... i guess there's a chance someone has hacked it and set up an asiac email address & paypal account as a way to make some easy money?

kikin
06-14-2006, 06:39 AM
She didn't- if you check out her Bio, she graduated from a school of performing arts, which Stuyvesant is not.
True, her bio says she "attended performing arts high school". I got my info on Stuyvesant from her :

"She studied piano as a child, and she had performed at Carnegie Hall twice before the age of 15. When she was 16, she ran away from home because she felt her parents put too much pressure on her to succeed academically. She claims to have had her IQ tested at 155 and she was a salutatorian of Stuyvesant High School"

Now I'm confused. :-\

Emily
06-14-2006, 08:35 AM
I thought that someone had hacked it, but it's been up there for 3 days now. Even if she was out of town, someone would have informed her of this!

kittenkat
06-14-2006, 09:14 AM
Her site has not been hacked. Go to the chat room on her site. Me2 is a longtime friend of hers, and he'll tell you that the updates are *hers*.

smartcookie
06-14-2006, 09:52 AM
It's my understanding that it takes at least 5 business days to obtain a copy of a death certificate, and the same or longer for a police report. 42,000 people a year die in vehicle accidents. Is every single accident written up papers with RSS feeds? I would think not. Why was Anna Malle's death picked up? Well, she was a pornstar who had retired less than a year before her death. In this case, it's the husband of a pornstar who hasn't been in the public spotlight for years.

People really like conspiracy theories, I guess. Would we be so quick to discount Asia if she had not been in porn?

Emily
06-14-2006, 09:56 AM
It's my understanding that it takes at least 5 business days to obtain a copy of a death certificate, and the same or longer for a police report. 42,000 people a year die in vehicle accidents. Is every single accident written up papers with RSS feeds? I would think not. Why was Anna Malle's death picked up? Well, she was a pornstar who had retired less than a year before her death. In this case, it's the husband of a pornstar who hasn't been in the public spotlight for years.

People really like conspiracy theories, I guess. Would we be so quick to discount Asia if she had not been in porn?

it is an interensting story because she was in porn, but also because she's 8 months pregnant and completely broke. And the only reason people are questioning her is because she's asking for money....not because she was in porn.

smartcookie
06-14-2006, 10:28 AM
Only time will tell.

kittenkat
06-14-2006, 10:49 AM
smart cookie, I see what you're saying. From a non-sex related industry crowd, I'd expect people to question her based on her work- but here on SW? I don't think that's the case.

This is a woman that has posted about making lots of money and being a financial wizard. She obviously worked hard and lived well. Unfortunately, to many people's eyes, she did flaunt her financial "prowess" to distinguish herself from the people in the industry (to put it mildly)... She's criticized or commented on women that don't save money for a rainy day.

As a public figure, claiming destitution and asking for money is always going to be scrutinized and criticized, especially if you've always made sure people know how smart you are, and blogged about having a nice lifestyle. Unfortunately, she's made her own bed... and she gets to sleep in it, by being an open public figure.

her latest post:

06/14 - Talked to the mortuary people about writing up the obituary (how do I fit a life as full and wonderful as Don's into just a few short sentences? The obit will be woefully inadequate I'm afraid, esp given my weak state of mind when he was asking me questions. But it will have to do, I guess.) When I looked at the prices for urns and keepsake jewelry for the loved one's ashes, I fliped out at the prices. Did you ever see "The Big Lebowski", where they want to bury their buddy Donny (!) but everything is just so expensive they wind up putting his ashes in a Folger's coffee can and tossing them off a cliff. I was pretty close to doing that myself... $220 for a little gold locket, $470 for a small wooden jewelry box... jeez, kick 'em while they're down, why don't ya... I finally settled on a green and brown box with wooden pineapples carved into it, to remind us both of the happy times we shared in Hawaii. Maybe when I die, one of our kids can spread our ashes out together in one of the KoOlina lagoons in Hawaii. If I do have and keep this baby in my belly (I was contemplating adoption at a forlorn moment of despair) I am thinking I want to change the baby's name from Devin to Don. He will be Donald Edward Lemmon III in respect to his father and grandfather, who Don loved very much. It's the least I could do. I feel like it's going to be a long long time before I can get through a day without collapsing in tears about every half hour. I hear it does get easier... doesn't feel like it yet though.

If she's really upset about being criticized, I think she needs to e-mail her friends that personally know her and not blog for a while until she's got her mind straight. I've seen bizarre behavior due to grief and shock, so this could be an example... but she's just asking for criticism by blogging more right now, IMHO. Many ppl would think the Big Lebowski comment was inappropriate, I think. While I understand the underlying practicality... I just hope she gets through this with her psyche intact.

I'm not suspicious that her husband died. I also feel for her and I sympathize with her and her family. That said, I can see where certain criticisms and questions are coming from... Asia apparently told me2 who helps her run her site to ask for donations of diapers for her baby (my friend's roomie is a big fan of hers, I heard this through him and he feels really bad for her- even donated money). It's just bizarre...

Djoser
06-14-2006, 11:40 AM
In my case, a strange sense of empowerment came over me, that lasted at least a month or two--except the day or two after my mom died. I became absolutely fearless about anything, both physically and in terms of social situations--like walking up to a large group of hispanics I didn't know (not in any way connected with my friend's shooting--those guys I wanted to kill) and talking in a completely frank way about racial tension. People just don't do that sort of thing.

The seemingly flippant reference to the treatment of his ashes isn't as bad as it sounds, either, my stepdad and I have joked about his keeping my mom's ashes in the cradboard box (a very nice one, but still) on the bedroom dresser for a while. The guy worshipped the ground she walked on, so I didn't think it inappropriate at all.

Maybe something similar could happen to her, and she might have lost her natural fear of violating the 'normal' social rules, I suppose. But it does make her look bad to ask for money on the same site she has been talking herself up as being a high roller on. I wouldn't send any, even if I do feel bad about her situation and her kids, if he really is dead.

smartcookie
06-14-2006, 03:54 PM
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This is a woman that has posted about making lots of money and being a financial wizard. She obviously worked hard and lived well. Unfortunately, to many people's eyes, she did flaunt her financial "prowess" to distinguish herself from the people in the industry (to put it mildly)... She's criticized or commented on women that don't save money for a rainy day.

As a public figure, claiming destitution and asking for money is always going to be scrutinized and criticized, especially if you've always made sure people know how smart you are, and blogged about having a nice lifestyle. Unfortunately, she's made her own bed... and she gets to sleep in it, by being an open public figure.


I don't know Asia Carrera and it's highly doubtful that I ever will. But I do know a thing or two about fucking for a living, which is probably why I feel sympathy rather than scorn for her. I have known former colleagues to boast of realities that were not, in fact true. Why do they do it? Marketing, in part, and the other part, the biggest part, is self-delusion to be able to get through the job you're doing.

When did she make these claims about her intellect and investing prowess? Eight or nine years ago, when she was a Vivid girl? Shit, if you're going to hold me accountable for the things I said almost ten years ago, shoot me now.

Last, porn doesn't really pay all that much, and porn performers don't receive royalties. There's a popular misconception about what porn people make, just like the misconception that strippers regularly make thousands of dollars every night. Today, a contract girl with Vivid or Digital Playground might get $75K a year plus $2,000 per scene, max, and less than that years ago. That's why most pornstars feature danced then, and now they escort. Asia has done neither. The average DVD porn release sells only five thousand copies, and porn is all about the flavor of the moment, so online sales of her old movies wouldn't have amounted to much. Whatever money she had, if she ever actually had it, is kaput.

I'm not encouraging anyone to send her a check, and I myself, am not, but as I've said before, I don't know that my reaction to my spouse's death would be purely rational, especially if I were a pregnant, jobless virtual recluse.

The Germans have a wonderful word called schadenfreude, which means taking a malicious pleasure in the misfortunes of others, particularly those who we thought lived off the high horse. I don't like schadenfreude, and I wish Asia all the best of luck going forward.

miabella
06-14-2006, 04:15 PM
and even though i am kind of up in the air on it all, investing one's income doesn't magically equal enough money to live on, even if she was investing most of what she made (and of course we have no way of knowing what her income was, or what % she was investing). a five percent return on investments totalling 300k, for example, is only 15k a year. so either way, even if she heavily invested, it may simply just not be returning enough money to cover her living expenses.

Djoser
06-14-2006, 07:58 PM
Well, to be sure, if she hadn't said anything about her acumen for investment on the same site, or for several years, any cold-hearted questions about inconsistency would be out of place. It's easy to talk yourself up if you're on a roll, and it's easy to fall out of a roll, as well.

I'm sure as hell not saying 'tough shit'! I'm just saying I wouldn't send money, and wondering what the true situation is, and wondering if she has suddenly reversed herself or not vis a vis her financial situation (based solely on what I've read here, how the hell would I know?).

If her husband's dead and she's left in this predicament, it's very sad indeed, and I feel bad for her--who cares if she was a porn star or not? Actually, though she never did much for me the few times I saw her in a video (which is purely personal preference--by definition very subjective), I always thought it was very, very cool that a MENSA member was in porn.

kittenkat
06-14-2006, 11:19 PM
I have friends in the industry so I know they don't make as much as people perceive them to. It sucks that they don't get royalties. It's a hard industry.

I'm saying that people will probably continue to criticize her unless she explains her situation somewhere along the way. Mainstream stars come out on E to talk about their financial problems... even when they're not asking for money, but especially if have have received help. They clear the air, so to speak, to avoid speculation. It doesn't remove the criticism but it removes some of the suspicion factor. She's consistently talked about her stocks and such on her website and in her chat room- it wasn't a one-time thing. She had talked about investments and how well she was doing on her husband's bulletin board as recently as last year.

I've also said being in her situation, she deserves sympathy. I'm only saying that the suspicion and criticism is part of being a public figure.

Krazyjane
06-16-2006, 02:07 PM
Don Lemmon's obituary (http://www.reviewjournal.com/obituaries/individual_display.jsp?obitID=4724265)

Gynger
06-16-2006, 04:41 PM
It takes approximately 60 days to obtain a certified death certificate.

I have read her blog, and yes, some of the content is, well, a bit odd. But, take into consideration that each individual deals with tragedy in different ways. I believe Asia to be in a complete state of disarray and shock based upon the way she has written her blogs, just as anyone else would be.

Place yourself in her situation, although one can not do so, because to even fathom losing someone so loved, close is hard to imagine.

In any event, I do hope that she gets through this.

GoldCoastGirl
06-16-2006, 06:50 PM
I was also told that obits usually take at least a week before they are published ??? We have to give this one time before we can be certain. Yet I'm not doubting her. Why would she do such a thing so publicly (online) ?? It's her way of dealing with such a loss.

GoldCoastGirl
06-27-2006, 02:12 PM
Anyone been keeping up2date with Asia via her page? http://www.asiacarrera.com/bulletin.html

It seems that it might be real after all and the way she dealth with it was just her way.. unusual yes however grief can do things to people.

I know the media made me out to be this financial wizard, and I guess I WAS, at one time. When I was around 27, I had a lot of money invested in the stock market. I had almost enough to buy a nice house in LA for cash, which is a lot of money for a 27-year old kid to have saved up. But then came the tech collapse, the stock market tanked, and I lost half my savings overnight. I was sick about it, but I know bigger and better people than me got burned, so what could I do? All I could do was keep working and keep saving.

But then came another knockout punch, my boyfriend of 5 years got deported back to England, and my world just fell apart. I suffer from extreme co-dependancy, in addition to social phobia, so I was trapped at home alone with my overwhelming grief. I worked just enough to pay my bills and keep travelling to England every few months to see my boyfriend, and I saved nothing. In fact, I am ashamed to admit, I developed a terrible online gambling addiction, and blew through half of my savings yet again, over the next two years. I never cashed out, because I didn't want to stop gambling - then I would have to feel my loneliness and despair! There were days I wouldn't even get out of bed because I couldn't see any reason to. The rest of the time I spent gambling and blowing my savings.

That's from her BLOG and may explain why she seemed to panic and ask for money after being a wiz "back in the day" ....

242_fair
06-27-2006, 02:45 PM
Yes I didn't really doubt her. It is nice she made an explanation about the money statments in the past and what she is saying lately.

But damn, after all that porn is it so depressing to see she is broke as a joke.

kittenkat
06-27-2006, 04:22 PM
I really hope she gets over this co-dependency thing she talks about. It's too bad that she's phobic about being left broke with no money after her experience as a teen, yet her addictions and insecurities placed her in a spot where she was dependent on another person and left financial control to another person. Her husband seemed like a loving guy and a sweetheart, but it's too bad she's suffering from his carefree attitude that's sadly leaving his family in dire straits. She seems to be doing better, she was livelier during chat on her site. I hope she has her gambling under control, because personal tragedies can trigger former addictions like crazy.

I never doubted that her husband was dead, and I had heard that she had a gambling problem- but I never thought she really blew everything away and was left with nothing. Poor lady.

GoldCoastGirl
07-18-2006, 11:38 AM
She updated her site with pictures of her with Catty

I realise she is overwhelmed with life and all its little details as it is right now however I totally think she could've made some money doing pregnant nude photographic work. It doesn't have to be pornographic! Ah well....

http://www.asiacarrera.com/pregnant2/pregnant2.html


At least she seems to be okay for now.

Am I the only one who checks in on her website every so often to see what's happening?

madmaxine
07-18-2006, 11:42 AM
I've been checking. I looked her whole site over months ago & was very impressed with her. She would have been fine if not for the gambling addiction- I have always hated gambling & consider it the WORST vice.

She'll be OK in the long run... I have an inkling of what it feels like to have a great Love in your life ripped away unfairly & I imagine having a baby with one on the way during new widowhood is a living nightmare.. Sometimes the world seems too cruel.

madmaxine
08-01-2006, 09:21 PM
*Ping*

She had her baby early, yesterday. See for details.

hardkandee
08-01-2006, 09:42 PM
Is it safe to have a baby all by your self?

Krazyjane
08-01-2006, 10:18 PM
Is it safe to have a baby all by your self?
It's only been done for thousands of years. Childbirth isn't a medical condition or illness, despite what doctors like to tell you.

kittenkat
08-01-2006, 10:52 PM
Well, she's deciding whether to keep baby Donny or not- her good friends have expressed desire to adopt him if need be.

Too bad that her husband's blood sugar was twice the legal limit when he died...

In any case, I wish her all the luck in the world.

Krazyjane
08-01-2006, 11:13 PM
Too bad that her husband's blood sugar was twice the legal limit when he died...

Where did you read this?

kittenkat
08-02-2006, 03:13 AM
she expressed it on her thread at her husband's forum, lies and propaganda, a while back.

I meant blood alcohol level, not blood sugar.

Tart
08-02-2006, 03:20 AM
Its going to be rather hard when she comes home with her daughter being so small and dependant on her still. and having to care for a new baby.

Sleep isn't going to come easy for a long time for asia. I wonder if anyone has thought to offer to pay for a service that some nurses do ..where they come to the houses of unwed or in this case a widowed woman.., who has a baby etc.

I had the service and my god did it help. They come in and for 3 hours a day take care of the baby or babies while you shower...sleep etc. Its a godsend and its rather cheap

in some areas its even free.

How in the hell do you birth a baby all by yourself ...holy fuck would I freak out.

But I swear by this.If asia can do that that girl can do anything. I have total faith in her!

Madcap
08-02-2006, 03:22 AM
One wonders what we did 100,000 years ago... No sterile forks or stitches then...

madmaxine
08-02-2006, 11:32 AM
My great-grandfather & grandmother (his daughter) were midwives. Back in the day, people did the best they could, since the rate of death by childbirth was high.
Hospitals seriously overcharge for labor & birthing services. I hope home birthing becomes a trend.

GoldCoastGirl
08-02-2006, 05:01 PM
I'm just really aw-ed (sp?) how she had the kid all by herself. Yes, the question now is will she keep it and raise this baby and Catty by herself ? I think she will or at least she should definately look at gaining support from her local community (and those that have offered).

Krazyjane
08-02-2006, 05:22 PM
Back in the old days, the biggest problems were dirtiness (although birthing at home was safer than a hospital in those days b/c at hospitals, doctors would handle other patients and corpses before delivering the babies), women's hips were destroyed by malnutrition, rickets, and perhaps corsets, and lack of knowledge (you should push the placenta, not yank it out, etc). If you wash your hands and follow basic procedures and pretty much let the woman go with the flow, things will generally be all right. Face it, the first thing on a doctor's mind will not be the woman, but his/her own ass. In this stupid litigious society, you can sue for anything, especially if there's a cute little baby involved. I have a friend who was anorexic while she was pregnant because she didn't want to get fat. Big surprise, her kid is severely mentally retarded. She still managed to get some settlement money out of the deal.

The worst thing that happened to childbirth was lying them on their backs, which male doctors did "for the ladies' modesty." It also made it more convenient for doctors to be allowed to do their thing, especially when leather restraints were used. Uh, the uterus points downward. Lying them on their backs made contractions more futile, as gravity couldn't assist. Before doctors took over childbirth, women gave birth in special chairs or kneeling positions. Obviously they never tried to take a shit lying down.

I'm not saying that we should totally shun obstetrics, especially in the case of high-risk pregnancies. When I have kids, I plan to have the full battery of prenatal tests like AFP, untrasound, chorionic villi sampling, etc, b/c I have worked with the mentally retarded and people with congenital disorders, and I would not have the energy to have a kid who would remain a kid all his life. I also have nothing against women who choose to have epidurals and stuff. I just hate how childbirth has such a negative stigma and women are encouraged to treat all births like higher risk ones. I'm not saying it's wrong to get an elective C-section or request an epidural, but it should be the woman's choice. It's not a choice if a woman is not made awaer of all her options or is browbeaten into it by a doc who just wants to cover his ass.

kittenkat
08-02-2006, 05:25 PM
She's really people-phobic. Ppl have offered to live with her and help her, but she doen't want any rommmates.

It's not uncommon- my friend is a paramedic and there have been enough calls where the baby comes so quickly (esp if it's not the first labor for the mom) that the baby was essentially born by the time they got there. Asia was waiting for the midwife and she couldn't arrive on time. I'm glad nothing went wrong, and that the labour was easy on her. This woman doesn't need additional medical bills on top of her problems.

NinaDaisy
08-03-2006, 09:29 AM
That is a HUGE baby!

Rhiannon
08-03-2006, 10:04 AM
While it's admirable and impressive that Asia gave birth all by herself, I think it's even more impressive when a woman gives herself a C-Section, like a while back.. This woman took a few drinks of really strong alcohol to get herself all nice and numb, and then did it. I hope someone gave her a Klondike Bar.