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Yekhefah
06-15-2006, 10:07 AM
So that is why they might seem a little out there sometimes, if its going to cost them a whole days pay for 15 minutes, then they are going to make sure they get a damned good 15 minutes to make it worthwhile!

I guess we have different concepts of what constitutes a "good" 15 minutes. Personally, I HAVE blown a whole day's pay in the strip club before, and yeah, I wanted my money's worth. That means having a good time and enjoying an erotic experience with a beautiful dancer.

To me, it does NOT mean violating a dancer's clear boundaries, making her cry, or feeling like a sleazy pervert. If that's what you think you're paying for, then I think you really need to do some hard thinking about why that turns you on.

Optimist
06-15-2006, 10:41 AM
And that's the problem with the way most clubs are run. It's not exclusive, it's a free for all. They will let ANY predator stay all night even if he assaults girls on the floor, in the dance room, wherever. They hire too many girls so predators feel empowered to take whatever they want. It's a free for all.

Contact girls underestimate how quickly they will be psychologically destroyed by daily sexual assault. Girls have to save themselves by putting their sanity before anything else.

mollyzmoon
06-15-2006, 11:24 AM
^^and that's why I have this new "whatever" motto about work. Until I feel myself back to full stripper tenacity, I will go in at 5pm, and stay until I make $400 or $500 (after tipout). Even if there's loads of money in the room and I leave as the place is filling up at 11pm. Whatever. I'll take the happy hour crowd, and leave the freak show. If I can't muster up the moxy to make $700 when it's possible, that's just too bad. Right now it's not worth my psychological wellbeing. I'm not a night person, so getting home and asleep before 1 am does me so much good lately anyway. I'm healthier when I can sleep! And it's nice to say goodbye to perverts.

shwankie
06-15-2006, 12:05 PM
Yeah, it gets to me. Especially right now, in the summer, when guys know the clubs are slow and believe therefore you'll do more to make money. I gave a custy a bloody nose the other day at my club for trying repeatedly lick my nipples. Then I got my $20 and walked away. Detroit has always been hard contact, but seriously, it's just gotten WAY out of hand. And what the customers expect (and frankly what the girls are giving) for $20 is ludicrous. It's not wonder they come into the clubs instead of calling an escort--it's cheaper in the clubs. Ergh.

So out of hand I am done. In 13+ years of dancing I NEVER made under $100 on any one shift--ever. No matter how slow, I always came out with more than that. Tuesday was a day of assholes, and the only day I've come out with under $100 (and I was did better than all but one girl in terms of bringing in cash that day).

I will stick to doing private parties where, scarily enough, the guys are better behaved. And the money is FAR better. Far, far better.

Paris
06-15-2006, 02:27 PM
"I have to keep my voice under control and keep them in line as cheerfully as I can fake to get a measly $60 or $80 out of them"

I don't know about where you live, but here in my area $10 bucks an hour is pretty well the going wage scale for 90% of the guys. So just remember, your "measly" $80 bucks for 15 minutes work, is a whole days pay for them having busted their asses for 8 hours. So that is why they might seem a little out there sometimes, if its going to cost them a whole days pay for 15 minutes, then they are going to make sure they get a damned good 15 minutes to make it worthwhile!

Okay, read this slowly so that you can understand what I'm saying.

Strip club visits are a LUXURY. Getting your "money's worth" is not an option in this case. There are no clearence sales, there are no discount coupons, fer Christ's sake!!

Would you walk into a BMW dealership and bitch out the sales man because the price of their cars are three times as much as you make in a year?? No, because owning a brand new BMW is a LUXURY.

If you can't afford the strip club, go buy a Playboy and beat off to that. I'm sure you'll get your money's worth.

Optimist
06-15-2006, 03:25 PM
Preach on, Paris!

I see that at my current club. They foolishly depend on the local yokels when rich men fly and drive in from all over to gamble and golf. It's crazy. Dances are a luxury item. Cheap marketing and NO marketing doesn't work. This is for the financially secure set and especially the older set.

tampadancer
06-15-2006, 03:33 PM
I could not deal with it anymore- it is what ultimately caused my breakdown as a dancer. My view of men became so distorted because of the scumbag pig men I was encountering on a daily basis. It really is sad, what the industry is becoming. I started dancing four years ago, at the club that penny works at now, and it was NOTHING like what she described. Tampa, alone, has spiraled violently downward since then. According to current trends among strip clubs and patrons, I can only imagine what the industry will be like in five more years.

Low contact clubs and true, quality, entertainment and performance are a thing of the past. I put so much into my dances on stage - I worked hard to be engaging and seductive, sexy but demure. But in the last year or so of dancing, I noticed that nobody cared. My shows, which used to draw men to stage were "prude," but the men clammored over each other to get to the girl rubbing her pussy in someone's face, in a tasteless, disgusting show of complete lack of self respect.

It's sad. My advice is to get out while you can. Retain your sanity. Unless you are one of the lucky few who have found a club that is both low contact AND lucrative- OR - you're able to put up with the shit every night without it breaking you.

Miss. Kristina Lee
06-15-2006, 03:42 PM
i dont think your view of men is skewed. they really are like that....they just hide it most of the time otc...

smartcookie
06-15-2006, 03:51 PM
Does anybody like working as a stripper? Because it sounds like the answer for most is an emphatic no.

Is there anyone here who enjoys providing high mileage? I kind of wonder what the average clubgoing male might thing reading this thread.

Optimist
06-15-2006, 04:03 PM
About half that I encounter don't care what we think when we say no. I have my doubts that they would change their attitudes after reading this. The other half probably would care.

miabella
06-15-2006, 04:10 PM
for me, it really does depend on the customer. and probably on the definition of high mileage. i feel my dances suffer if there's not some small amount at least of mutual touching.

hell, it was a major component of my sales technique, that i enjoyed being touched and wanted to be touched.

but otoh, i danced for few customers overall as a general rule. for a long time i only danced for about 3-4 guys in a night and still did pretty well overall.

i often felt kind of brittle and irritable on nights when i had to make my money dancing for a dozen guys or more in a night.

shwankie
06-15-2006, 04:13 PM
I used to *love* being a stripper. Absolutely love it. And I was GOOD at it--sales is my forte. Even higher-milage/contact didn't bother me (two-way touching of legs, arms, stomach--no pussy, tits or ass, and certainly no lips or tongue involved--and some grinding), when the customers were respectful, and when stipper didn't equal hooker in their eyes. When it was about good entertainment and fun, and not about getting off and disrespect.

Now, I can't stand working at clubs, so I am not doing it. No, I don't like being a stripper at clubs (though I still love doing parties). It's become completely about how much customers can get away with, even at nice clubs, and I am not an extras girl. I am an entertainer. I provide fantasy, escape, and fun. If I wanted to provide extras, I would just be an escort--as many ladies here have pointed out, it pays better and is actually safer than doing these things inside a club.

You are correct that custies reading this thread will probably get the impression that most girls don't like their job these days. I'll go out on a limb here and say that is probably true. It's not that we don't like stripping itself, it's that we don't like where the industry is going, and therefore we can't like our jobs. This happens in many fields: I am fairly certain a high number of office workers don't like their jobs when management clearly doesn't care about them and their curstomers (or equivalent) try to pump every last scrap of humanity out of them instead of valuing their talents.

Just my 2cents.

Paris
06-15-2006, 04:22 PM
I enjoy dancing. I just do it now for myself or for my husband. If I get the itch to return to stripping, I'll hit up ameture contests, just for the stage thrill.

When I first started dancing I felt like a movie star. Men would hold the door, hold a chair, offer to buy me drinks etc. I never had to hear about all of their sex fantasies, rarely had to deal with grabby guys and was just generally too busy to see the depravity in some of these guys faces. The majority of the Strip club customers I met were gentlemen.

Of course attitudes have changed. The club I worked for paid an hourly wage (and this was as recently as 2001), and held their dancers to a certain standard. Each house dancer had to perform a feature style show each shift she worked. I preferred to do my feature as my first stage set of the night. I would easily earn over $200 a shift FROM STAGE TIPS ALONE!! This is not BS, this is really how it was 6-8 years ago! I've had at least half a dozen nights a year that I made over $800* with out doing a single lap dance.

*when you think about it, I was on stage roughly 12 times in an 8 hour shift, that is only about $65 per stage set average. Often I had stage sets go close to $200 for a single set. The stage seated roughly 30 customers, so in a $65 stage set that is only $2-3 per customer per set.

candie00
06-15-2006, 05:21 PM
I dont mind contact dances as long as they can only touch my boobs and ass cheeks nothing more and only aloud to touch with hands. Definitly NOT the mouth....

mollyzmoon
06-16-2006, 04:46 AM
Well I don't enjoy high mileage. The 'high mileage' around here is two way touching everywhere but the crotch. Nude lapdances with men going at me with open mouths and wandering hands. Those are the generous rules and it seems that the more lenient the rules, the more they think they can get it all.

I'd say 70% of the guys I dance for try to put their mouths on my boobs or touch closer to the crotch than I allow. And that is what gets to me. I say "no kissing", and this guy yesterday says "why?"- like all genuinely surprised. I say not in my stripper voice but just me, probably sounding as exhausted with this shit as I feel- "because I don't like it." And that oddly shut him up. And when this other guy did the whole i'm-gonna-slyly-reach-around-your-ass-and-touch-between I grabbed his wandering jackass hand and jumped back and made this weird scream/growl thing. "Oh no way" I said "I honestly can't stand that shit. Keep your hands to YOURSELF". Being more assertive lately has helped. It sucks that I have to keep half of them in line with freak outs, but c'est la vie.

Gentlemanly dancing does not exist anywhere around here. I'd have to drive hours away I think. Also it's no fun when they yank my clothes all off the second the song starts- just grab the side of my thong and pull it down. I am the stripper. Let me strip, for chrissake. I try to keep the thong on until the end of the second song- I try to tease. And yes there still are some nice customers who enjoy a sensual dance. But lately these just seem fewer and farther between than I like. Go figure- the more polite the customer is, the more he's usually likely to spend.

What I do enjoy is that I make good money where I work. I can go in at 4 or 5 and leave before 10:30 with $400 basically every night. If I stay til 2 I can make over $800. But you see what I have to put up with. And dammit I'm a tough cookie. All those tongues coming at me though, as I forcibly pull myself away- being manhandled to grind harder and having to again pull myself off them as they PULL BACK- it doesn't take a fragile girl to get fed up with this shit I don't think. There's no way I can handle this job this way for all that much longer I'm afraid.

Miss. Kristina Lee
06-16-2006, 09:21 AM
molly i dont think that i could put up with that at all. i would end up punching mother fuckers.

the extent of our hard contact here is 2 way soft grinding and hands on everything lightly but no nipples or kitty. id say i get one man a month that tries more then that, and he swiftly gets the boot.

colleen
06-16-2006, 09:30 AM
Mollyzmoon--

I have found there are certain things I can say to help the guys understand that I am serious when I say "no touching." Try these:

--If you do that again, I am going to charge you double (Amazingly, this works 100 times better than "no")

--If you deposit any spit on my body, I am going to charge you $5 for baby wipes.

--(stepping away from customer) Do you want me to stop? No? Then don't do that again.

--I don't care that the ohter girl did it. I'm better than she is, so I don't have to do it.

--Just relax and let me do all the work. When was the last time you heard that?

--I wouldn't lick there if I were you. THe last guy jsut licked there. (Or, My boyfriend came there befoer I came to work today.)


I work in a high-contact, heavy-grind bikini bar, and the extras are rampant around there. I still like my job. Learning how to keep control over the assholes and idiots is key. Also, develop your regulars with a passion. And never underestimate how satisfying it is to dig you r nails into some asshole who desperately needs it!

kandie_kitten
06-16-2006, 07:29 PM
Just to clarify...many pressure points require NO strength, whatsoever. There is an old woman at the karate school...she's is, no exaggeration, 65...4'11, and 89 pounds. I have watched her drop a 6'5, 300 man by holding his pinky.

If you are well skilled, the barest touch can completely immobilize someone.


Hehehhe, poor grabby custy's.

thechaosfairy
06-17-2006, 05:09 AM
In the city of Portland, where I work, there are apparently like five clubs where girls can *regularly* make $200+ a shift. Out of about seventy. I keep thinking it's me, but then I try a new club -- generally one that's reputed to be good -- and get the same old crap money, and see everyone around me making the same old crap money too.

And yet! I like the job. I find it minimally stressful, not particularly worse than working retail. I like not having a boss to be intimidated by, I like the sense of humor in the clubs where I work. And I like doing private dances.

Which depending on the place, around here, are either enforced 3-plus inches distance, or non-enforced 3-plus inches distance (which means, generally, that in the course of things somewhere I brush up against the customer slightly or put my hands on his shoulders or something.)

I like to think I give really good, sensual, INTIMATE private dances regardless and while a lot of people around here don't try them, usually those who do, come back for more.

I would also say that any customer who walks into my club and buys a dance from me is getting MORE from me than he would in a two-way or heavy one-way contact state. Why? Because I am fully present and engaged! I can make eye contact and smile and mean it. I can be expressive, creative, and sensual. I can be intimate in the personal sense of the word.

I could be none of these things if I felt like a piece of meat.

I would actually not mind working in an environment with more one-way contact but no heavy grinding, etc. But any more and I would lose my ability to stay "on", stay "real", and I'd just act like a talking blowup doll.

GoldCoastGirl
06-17-2006, 12:23 PM
Does anybody like working as a stripper? Because it sounds like the answer for most is an emphatic no.

Is there anyone here who enjoys providing high mileage? I kind of wonder what the average clubgoing male might thing reading this thread.

I have had some of best and most memorable sensual experiences thanks to the two-way touching allowed (everywhere except my inner thigh, pubic area, groin and anus) so it isn't like I totally dislike the two-way contact.... just that I don't like the "everyday" aspect of the two-way contact... the fact that the majority (to my recollection as I havn't worked in such an environment for near on or over a year now .. tho' I'm going back on Tuesday.. so I'll find out if my memory is correct) will grope not fondle.. will basically man-handle you like a piece of meat.. pink your nipples, try to lick you etc.. plus having to be all over the smelly guys (bad body odour and/or bad breath)... that's the distasteful side.

The taste-ful and most rewarding side is when I come out of the dance blissful... when they give me massages (and know how to massage!), when they touch me in a nice sensual way, when they lightly touch me all over (ah.. the tease.. it's heaven), when all they want is a hug or a dance that has alot of 'hugging' in it as such (yet won't touching you so much), when you can almost totally trust the guy's hands (I've had a few moments like that.. only a few!!)... that's the rewarding side... that's the side I like and enjoy about two-way contact... and I kinda miss...

Ultimately tho' ... if the guy can just make the experience sensual within the pre-set boundaries not trying to push the limits... then hell yeh I will love dancing for him.. if he tried to push the limits or treats my body like it's a piece of meat (takes all the sensuality out of the experience and is all about groping etc)... then yeh.. I'm not so keen.

Granted, I do much prefer private party dancing if only if was more lucrative for me personally... that's the only reason I'm starting up locally again... the private party thing is just not working out for me as much as I would like it to work out ...and I can't always afford to travel away for work (the up-front cost of airfare etc).