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Jpac73
07-01-2006, 12:23 PM
When I was at one of my regular clubs a few weeks ago the bartender got mad at this one young guy because she said he had been to the bar 3times but didn't leave a tip. I think she was just mad at this guy because he had her to fix a drink earlier, then when she came back he said it was too much ice in the glass. So she ended up pouring out the liquor and making another drink. So is there a certain amount of times that you should tip the bartender? If you go to the bar 4 or 5times would tipping at least twice be suffcient? maybe it also depends on how big of a tip you leave? I usually sit at the bar instead of at the table because most of the times I go by myself and don't want any unwanted company from a dancer I might not like. I am not a big drinker but I will still leave a small tip, not too much because I want to save the money for the dancers.

Chili Palmer
07-01-2006, 12:26 PM
If you can't afford to tip a bartender a buck everytime (s)he pours you a drink (if you are bypassing the waitress), then maybe you should find a cheaper hobby.

CP

Jpac73
07-01-2006, 12:35 PM
Dude the drinks are already overpricedfor the most part so why keep paying more for it? which is what you are essentially doing. I guess I am smarter with my money than you.

Jenny
07-01-2006, 12:48 PM
No, that is not being smart. When professions and establishments rely on tips it is not "smart" to avoid doing it. Any more than it is "smart" to go to a restaurant, eat a meal and run out without paying. Waitstaff pays out on what they sell; you should tip every time, at least whatever the standard tip is in your area (usually somewhere between 15-20%). The bartender does not set the price of the drinks, and as for them being "overpriced" - that particular evaluation has no application in this context. Drinks in any bar are priced a great deal higher than they would be coming from, for example, a liquor store. In a strip club we like to discourage guys from stopping in for cheap beer. For that purpose, the drinks are perfectly reasonably priced.

Chili Palmer
07-01-2006, 12:51 PM
Ooh, good one. This from a guy who probably thinks Dukes of Hazzard was a documentary.

CP

missalovelady
07-01-2006, 01:00 PM
If you cant afford it you should go buy a 6 pack of Blue Ribbon beer and drink at home.But if you been there all night and start getting near to the end of your money but tipped all night just give the quarters back from the change you get back.I have done that and then next time you go in make up for running low the last time.

Cally
07-01-2006, 01:45 PM
As a former SC bartender I can tell you right now the bartenders only get paid like $2 an hour. We(they) depend on tips. Nevermind the fact that most sc's have the bar staff pay the club a precentage of their sales. I used to have to pay 4% of my sales back to the club. So yea I got pissed if I only got tipped a quarter or a dollar. Because your damn drink cost ME money to make. If your going to be a cheap asshole then dont count on getting decent service. I used to refuse to serve customers that didnt tip... as did the waitresses(they sent the customer to the bar if they wernt tipping then I delt with them).

Jpac73
07-01-2006, 01:53 PM
No, that is not being smart. When professions and establishments rely on tips it is not "smart" to avoid doing it. Any more than it is "smart" to go to a restaurant, eat a meal and run out without paying. Waitstaff pays out on what they sell; you should tip every time, at least whatever the standard tip is in your area (usually somewhere between 15-20%). The bartender does not set the price of the drinks, and as for them being "overpriced" - that particular evaluation has no application in this context. Drinks in any bar are priced a great deal higher than they would be coming from, for example, a liquor store. In a strip club we like to discourage guys from stopping in for cheap beer. For that purpose, the drinks are perfectly reasonably priced.


Eating at a restaurant and not paying is stealing. Not tipping is something different entirely. I am not saying I don't tip, but I just don't think everytime I go to the bar, I should have to leave a tip. I don't do it at a regular dance club so how is a stripclub different?

Richard_Head
07-01-2006, 01:55 PM
I don't do it at a regular dance club so how is a stripclub different?Well, you should be doing it at a regular dance club too.

Cally
07-01-2006, 01:57 PM
Eating at a restaurant and not paying is stealing. Not tipping is something different entirely. I am not saying I don't tip, but I just don't think everytime I go to the bar, I should have to leave a tip. I don't do it at a regular dance club so how is a stripclub different?

Ugh its customers like you that I want to throw beer at. You my friend are a cheap asshole who doesnt deserve to socialise in society. How would you feel if you were working for $2 an hour depending on tips to help pay your rent?

Jpac73
07-01-2006, 02:01 PM
I am pretty sure there are alot of people who don't tip as regularly as they are supposed to. I spend my money the way I want to do so. I don't have any problems with the bartenders. As a matter of fact, I am well liked. Maybe at the clubs you visit you have to spend out alot of cash, I don't.

Richard_Head
07-01-2006, 02:03 PM
I am pretty sure there are alot of people who don't tip as regularly as they are supposed to. I spend my money the way I want to do so. I don't have any problems with the bartenders. As a matter of fact, I am well liked. Maybe at the clubs you visit you have to spend out alot of cash, I don't.I'm guessing that you are not as well liked as you think.

Cally
07-01-2006, 02:04 PM
I love how your ignoring my comments :) Think about it. First off your going to the SC and sitting at the bar to avoid the girls. That makes you a prick. Second off your not tipping even though your bartenders/waitresses are only making $2 an hour PLUS they are paying for 4% of your drink after you pay for it. Your being a cheap asshole. Take your penny pinching ways somewhere else. I promise you if you were ever in any of the bars I worked at you wouldnt be drinking.

Jpac73
07-01-2006, 02:04 PM
Oh look we have another stripper who is trying to flame on someone for stating there opinion. Only on this board do strippers get to talk trash, but if you are a customer you are in the wrong if you say bad things about someone you don't know.

sxybrat07
07-01-2006, 02:04 PM
Jpac, I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it if your boss only paid you for half the hours you actually worked. In the same sense, bartenders need to be paid for every time they work. A dollar is not the end of the world. Pay it, dance club, strip club, or bar.

Cally
07-01-2006, 02:07 PM
Oh look we have another stripper who is trying to flame on someone for stating there opinion. Only on this board do strippers get to talk trash, but if you are a customer you are in the wrong if you say bad things about someone you don't know.


Im flaming by stating the truth? The same truth that everyone else is agreeing with me on? Im telling you how it works. And you say stripper like I dont have an opinion. Bah your a moron ::)

Cally
07-01-2006, 02:09 PM
And btw.. im just just a stripper.. im a lesbian stripper nun and sxybrat is my lesbian stripper nun partner :)

NoCoverLover
07-01-2006, 02:14 PM
Oh look we have another stripper who is trying to flame on someone for stating there opinion. Only on this board do strippers get to talk trash, but if you are a customer you are in the wrong if you say bad things about someone you don't know.Hey dude, it's not just strippers that are gonna flame you for crap like that.

Sounds to me like you're trying to find a way to justify doing something that you know is wrong. >:(

Cally
07-01-2006, 02:16 PM
I think I should hide this thread from GenWar and TOO heh...

NoCoverLover
07-01-2006, 02:20 PM
I think I should hide this thread from GenWar and TOO heh...Naw... Let's get Gen and TOO to pay him a visit when he's out SC'ing! }:D

Jpac73
07-01-2006, 02:22 PM
I love you to Cally.

kdogg247
07-01-2006, 02:23 PM
Jpac - let me refer you to some strip club wisdom:

Rules of Clubbing by GenWar:
"7. Tips are the oil of the strip club. Apply liberally, yet intelligently. (Everyone knows this right? Everyone follows it right? Wrong. Many many customers donít get this and many more choose to not participate. It never ceases to amaze me how much you get in the way of concessions for a simple $10 tip.)"

Seriously, this is just how the system works. If you go in and don't tip very much, things are not going to go very smoothly for you. Try overtipping sometimes - you might like the results.

Cally
07-01-2006, 02:30 PM
I love you to Cally.


Its actually i love you TOO ;)

evan_essence
07-01-2006, 02:42 PM
Oh look we have another stripper who is trying to flame on someone for stating there opinion. Only on this board do strippers get to talk trash, but if you are a customer you are in the wrong if you say bad things about someone you don't know.Wow, talk about selective listening. I guess the fact that some of the customers also were ragging on you didn't hit your radar? The Dukes of Hazard comment wasn't a flame??

Nor have you addressed the point that the wait staff are not being paid a full wage by the club so the club and the staff expect you to make up the difference. I perfectly understand this is a concept that most customers don't realize, and if they did, they'd probably be pissed at the club for taking so much without paying squat. And I understand it's not the customer's fault that the real bad guy here is the club for creating these hidden charges that aren't obvious when you come in. But once you're informed of the operational details, how about modifying your behavior according to the advice you've received here? Or were you asking hoping only to receive confirmation of your already existing ideas?

Trust me, if you're not stingy on the tips whenever the service is good, you will be rewarded. You'll be the one being attended to in a crowd when every other schmuck behaving like the former you wonders why the hell they can't get decent service.

-Ev

missalovelady
07-01-2006, 02:52 PM
I wonder if he orders water

Cally
07-01-2006, 02:54 PM
Wow, talk about selective listening. I guess the fact that some of the customers also were ragging on you didn't hit your radar?

Its kinda like selective hearing as well *giggles* its a male thing he cant help it ;)

*runs n hides from FBR n Jay Z's fly swatters*

Jpac73
07-01-2006, 03:06 PM
Yeah I get the point about tipping, but I never called anyone out of their names. The Dukes of Hazard comment was pretty lame BTW. Never the less I will let this topic rest.

Jenny
07-01-2006, 03:07 PM
I am pretty sure there are alot of people who don't tip as regularly as they are supposed to.
Okay, you need to read that sentence again. In fact allow me to add emphasis:
I am pretty sure there are alot of people who don't tip as regularly as they are supposed to.

I spend my money the way I want to do so. I don't have any problems with the bartenders. As a matter of fact, I am well liked. Maybe at the clubs you visit you have to spend out alot of cash, I don't.
Me neither. I always tip well, because a) I like to, b) it is courteous, c) I had a grandmother who supported a family on these stupid tips and d) you are SUPPOSED to. If I cannot afford the tip, I cannot afford to go. It is part of the bill. But I guarantee that if this is for real (seriously - you are just one of those people who gets off riling us up, aren't you? Well, here - just to make you day: :( :banghead: :bomb: See how riled I am?) that you are not well liked. Like I don't have to know you, see you, hear you or witness anyone interact with you to know that for an absolute certainty. Seriously honey - people in service need to be tipped, every time. They pay out on it. Not tipping is not illegal, I realize - but that doesn't make it okay. It is your money. If you cannot afford to tip the bartender /waitress a dollar, please keep it in your pocket by STAYING HOME.

Btw - you should be doing this in regular bars, night clubs, restaurants, etc. Everywhere with personal service.

evan_essence
07-01-2006, 04:25 PM
Its kinda like selective hearing as well *giggles*Um, yeah, that's the term I meant to use. Cally, are you CORRECTING me?? :eyebrow: I am feeling a bit betrayed by this and, at the same time, a bit turned on. I think I want you to coyly chastize me some more please.

-Ev

mr_punk
07-01-2006, 04:57 PM
Trust me, if you're not stingy on the tips whenever the service is good, you will be rewarded. You'll be the one being attended to in a crowd when every other schmuck behaving like the former you wonders why the hell they can't get decent service.i recall reading this study done for the food service industry that concluded, there's no correlation between good service and tipping. IIRC, many people intuitively think the tip (or the threat of a non-tip) will insure they get good service.

actually, it turns out that people generally don't tip waitstaff according to how good they are at their jobs. the tip mostly due to how the wait staff makes the customer feels. for instance, they may tip according to the waitstaff personality (ie: do they seem personable, solicitous to their needs, etc).

they may tip according to sex. generally, men tip more than women, but men will tip a female waitress more than a male waiter. OTOH, women will tip a male waiter more than a female waitress. BTW, i should mention the author advocates restaurants get rid of tipping and inserting the gratuity into the bill.

doc-catfish
07-01-2006, 05:06 PM
Damn you guys. I take my afternoon siesta and the next thing you know there's a three page thread here on tipping etiquette.

Unless I was running a tab, I'd just pay the bartender $1/drink every time.

doc-catfish
07-01-2006, 05:23 PM
actually, it turns out that people generally don't tip waitstaff according to how good they are at their jobs. the tip mostly due to how the wait staff makes the customer feels. for instance, they may tip according to the waitstaff personality (ie: do they seem personable, solicitous to their needs, etc).

they may tip according to sex. generally, men tip more than women, but men will tip a female waitress more than a male waiter. OTOH, women will tip a male waiter more than a female waitress. BTW, i should mention the author advocates restaurants get rid of tipping and inserting the gratuity into the bill.
Oh but that would take the fun out of going to Hooters. By my own admission my tipping protocol runs on a double standard. Can I blame attractive females for exploiting that?

http://www.alternet.org/wiretap/34988/


The Center for Hospitality Research lists a number of other factors that affect your tip, many of which are completely out of a server's control. Good weather, good moods and a piece of candy with the check are all important tip boosters. For the server, being attractive improves your tip, being a woman improves your tip, and being an attractive woman exponentially increases it.

In fact, Lynn goes so far as to question the legality of tipping in America. According to Lynn, there is conclusive evidence that being white and/or female has a positive effect on a tip. "Tipping as it is currently practiced is probably unlawful. It is against the law to discriminate on the basis of sex and skin color. The Civil Rights Act states that any time race, sex or age has a dispirited impact on the employee, the job is unlawful. If I was the owner of a large restaurant, I would be afraid of a class action suit."

yoda57us
07-01-2006, 07:11 PM
Dude the drinks are already overpricedfor the most part so why keep paying more for it? which is what you are essentially doing. I guess I am smarter with my money than you.

Dude, the bartender works for tips just like the dancers do. I think the problem here is a lack of basic common courtesy and an understanding of what makes the world go round. I'm also with Chili on this, if you can't afford a buck for the bartender or waitress you should just stay home. (By the way, this holds true in ANY bar, not just a strip club)

Casual Observer
07-01-2006, 07:43 PM
If you can't afford to tip a buck a drink, you probably shouldn't be in the club.

shark_bait
07-01-2006, 08:08 PM
SC is an engine. Whether you oil(tip) all the parts or your going to have a breakdown. I myself am a fisherman that depends on tourists but if you dont get at least that buck a person your eating spam this week.

GenWar
07-01-2006, 09:13 PM
QUOTE=kdogg247:
Jpac - let me refer you to some strip club wisdom:

Rules of Clubbing by GenWar:
"7. Tips are the oil of the strip club. Apply liberally, yet intelligently. (Everyone knows this right? Everyone follows it right? Wrong. Many many customers donít get this and many more choose to not participate. It never ceases to amaze me how much you get in the way of concessions for a simple $10 tip.)"

Seriously, this is just how the system works. If you go in and don't tip very much, things are not going to go very smoothly for you. Try overtipping sometimes - you might like the results.
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Wow. It is pretty cool when you don't even have to post your comment on a thread, yourself. :)

The only thing I might be able to add to maybe help Jpac see this is the simple but powerful axiom that "You get what you pay for." It is true of so many varied things...auto repair, toilet paper, event (concert, theater, sporting) seats and, in this instance, personal service. If you are not tipping, either a large sum at the beginning, or with each instance of service, than your service IS deteriorating. You will wait for the drink, or it will be light on alcohol or it may, ultimately, contain foreign matter.

You may not want to tip because you are managing your finances tightly. You may not want to tip because you feel that, technically, it is not mandatory. You may even choose to not tip because the service is not where you would like it to be initially. But consider that your failure to tip WILL be noticed and may be reflected in what you get.

You don't have to like the game. You don't have to like the players. You don't have to like the rules. But you DO have to play by them. *shrug* Or accept the consequences...

Good luck, buddy.

-gen

shark_bait
07-01-2006, 10:14 PM
Sorry Gen, but to us( the people paid by tips) tipping should be mandatory.


Tipping is not just a city in China, it is To Insure Proper Service. You may ask why tip, and all I have to say to that is KARMA. One day you will need these people whether it is to impress your friends/clients or a simple ride after the club after you had too many these are your extended friends and deserve some consideratiion after what they had to do.

mr_punk
07-01-2006, 10:17 PM
Oh but that would take the fun out of going to Hooters. By my own admission my tipping protocol runs on a double standard. Can I blame attractive females for exploiting that?that's it. i think the academic mentioned in the article is the same person mentioned in the article i read.

GenWar
07-01-2006, 10:22 PM
QUOTE=shark_bait:
Sorry Gen, but to us( the people paid by tips) tipping should be mandatory.


Tipping is not just a city in China, it is To Insure Proper Service. You may ask why tip, and all I have to say to that is KARMA. One day you will need these people whether it is to impress your friends/clients or a simple ride after the club after you had too many these are your extended friends and deserve some consideratiion after what they had to do.
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SB:

We'll have to agree to disagree. I tip...I tip a lot. And I believe in tipping, especially a dancer. However, I cannot support it being mandatory. To me, that defeats its purpose. If it were to be mandatory, it wouldn't be tipping, it would be payment. If a club were to add $1 to their drink price and give it to the server, I would not complain. I would still frequent the club. and I would probably still tip. Because that would be payment, and not, gratuity.

-gen

shark_bait
07-01-2006, 10:50 PM
It too bad that not all people thought like that.

evan_essence
07-02-2006, 04:42 AM
i recall reading this study done for the food service industry that concluded, there's no correlation between good service and tipping. IIRC, many people intuitively think the tip (or the threat of a non-tip) will insure they get good service.You and Doc are citing a study that shows the level of service wait staff gives has a weak impact on how much a customer tips. In other words, staff does good, but tips from the customer don't increase accordingly. I think jpac's behavior backs that up. But the study says nothing about how the level of tipping from a customer may increase or decrease the level of service a customer gets from staff. In other words, customer tips good, resulting in continued good service or special treatment thereafter.

Also, there's a difference between a restaurant and a strip or night club. Or I should say, there's a difference between a one-shot and repetition. If you tip a drink waitress or bartender decently for each task, I suspect you'll get better service over the long haul. If you're a returning regular somewhere and build a reputation for good tipping, I suspect you'll get better service. That was the scenario I was focusing my observations on.

-Ev

cherryripeboy
07-02-2006, 06:58 AM
Well I'm in the land of very little tipping. It is just not a common thing here. I'm sure it is only a matter of time, and with the new Industrial Relations laws I'm sure it will soon become a necessity, otherwise no one will want to wait or tend bars.

Right now, everyone is supposed to be getting minimum wage or better for tipping. I'm fairly certain the minimum wage here is higher than in America. The strong opinion of 10+ years ago was that if they are getting paid a good wage, why should anyone bother tipping. Some people still get offended here if you try to tip.

Now I regard strip clubs as a different world. I made sure to tip there and will again. From what Cally told us about bartenders I'm going to make sure they make a tip as well. I had never heard of the house taking a charge for selling a drink. They should give a good waitress a commission for selling the expensive drinks.

Anyway, if youíre in America you should tip. These people are getting paid shit. It is actually one of the things I'm preparing myself for, before heading back. It is not a common occurrence for me here.

So when are where do I tip here:

Outstanding service. An example of which is Mask of China a 5+ star restaurant. They make you feel like a king, have some of the most outstanding food I have ever had in my life. Everything is really and truly fresh. You need a drink, and they are there, your having trouble with chopsticks, forks magically appear. There is always a smile at this place.

Group dinners 10+ people always tip. If youíre serving that many and doing a good job, you deserve it. Especially when you get the order to the right place at the right time.

While I don't normally do it I will tip at my favorite hole in the wall restaurants. There is the one waiter that gave me good advice that night. He earned that tip; I know from his face he had never seen a tip in his life. They had authentic food, but not much else. My friends and I would eat there all the time. This one has always been special to me, because it is where I leant to use chopsticks, over many meals with my mates. It was also either use chopsticks or go hungry. My friends at the time all ate there, and we would go to there at our school lunch break. If I could eat the meal with chopsticks, they paid. If I needed a fork I paid.

There is a nicer restaurant that I have Vietnamese food at. The last time I was going give a tip, the owner told me don't bother you come in too often, always have a good meal, and bring your friends. She got a kick out of one day, I went in and my wife did 2 hours later. I got out a bit earlier than her that day. Did the same thing at the next restaurant as well. I have also had a good 50% of their 200+ item menu. If I don't need fancy I go here. Food is great and I know the menu well. So I feel confident ordering for close friends. They always laugh at how I tell them the number on the menu without looking. One time she asked me if I was going to have 61 again, and that started my adventure in Vietnamese food. The menu no longer has numbers, but I still know where to find what I like.

Same thing at the Korean restaurant, we are like family there. I don't know which one we eat at more, the Korean one or the Vietnamese. I donít go to the Korean restaurant alone, she always gives me hell, as she gets on well with my wife. There is one exception to this. If I am sick and need Kimche Chigae to clear up a cold she does not complainÖ. too much. This restaurant was our kid safe restaurant. They are both family owned, and operated. We have often taken our friends to either of them and they have become repeat customers.

So I may not tip often here, but that is the culture. My habits will be different stateside. I know what they are *not* earning. If youíre a repeat customer or a possibility of one you should do it as well.

Bob_Loblaw
07-02-2006, 05:58 PM
Tip well and often (i.e., for every drink). The staff are just as important in making a trip to the club enjoyable.

mr_punk
07-02-2006, 10:23 PM
You should have seen her go ballistic in Sydney when they brought bottled water, and charged big bucks for it.LOL..did she specifically ask for tap? bottled water is a huge profit center and some restaurants push sales pretty hard.

FBR
07-03-2006, 07:45 PM
I know this is about bartenders but they are sort of like waitresses except they dont move around the club, right?

Hit the club last night...an impromptu visit. I swear the waitress we had was a total retard. She couldnt make proper change, she couldnt remember what we ordered and more than once brought out the wrong thing. And I had to question her on damn near every round total. WTF? Where do they get these people? Was it a Sunday night phenomenon?

I probably should be ashamed but I did tip her a little bit each time...more from sympathy than anything else but she could have banked tip wise had she had a brain :O

FBR

Cally
07-03-2006, 09:42 PM
Maybe she was new? I know when I was a new waitress I was AWFUL. I was so nervous I had a hard time with things.. I did catch on eventually though.

FBR
07-03-2006, 09:50 PM
Cally I took that into consideration. But gawd she was so bad. Miss D didnt want me to tip her at all but I couldnt do that.

FBR

Cally
07-03-2006, 09:51 PM
Aww your such a gentleman!

cherryripeboy
07-04-2006, 03:45 AM
Mr_Punk,

We are just used to Melbourne, especially Asian restaurants, always-free tea or cold water.

I knew what was going on, but it was just one of those times I did not feel like being ignored. So I said nothing and let the chips fall where they would. I pegged the restaurant form the exterior. I knew it was that kind of place.... so worried about getting 'healthy' food into the kid. She should learn to pickup that stuff on sight. I did not like having to buy bottled. I just knew what to expect.


Does it seem that most guys will always tip minimally, even for bad service, but ladies will often not tip? They will even take the SOs tip if he leaves it, and they won't get caught. I've seen quite a few occurrences of this.

NoCoverLover
07-05-2006, 06:58 PM
I'll always tip the first time I encounter an unknown waitress. Like you say, for all we know she's new.

If I come back a month later and she still hasn't improved... then probably not. I'll at least complain.

Then again, if a new waitress stays that bad for that long, she probably won't be there a month later.