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azcustomer
08-02-2006, 12:40 AM
it's still completely idiotic to lump us all into one catagory. "i know -they- hate us".

first of all... there is no "they" and there is no "us".

i'm not "every stripper" and you're not "every customer" no one is.

and BTW i made a very nice "thank you" post a month or so ago on the pink side directed to respectfull customers. it's funny that those kinds of posts are never brought up over here.

Not directly, but here's one from the blue side for ya:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69829

mr_punk
08-02-2006, 12:49 PM
So I blew a giant green infectious booger in a tissue, and I put it in her pocket as a little "gift" for her when she returned. I felt quite good about it. In fact, I still do. Should I feel guilty about that?well..yes. the giant booger is a good gift, but a booger and a completely soaked, snot rag that you have been blowing in for some hours would have made you feel even better. especially, if you see her face when she puts her hand in the pocket.

xdamage
08-05-2006, 09:59 PM
There is a part of me which sympathizes with customers and another part of me that sees this as a job...it's business.


That's a healthy attitude, being able to maintain two points of view comfortably.



I'm not the type of dancer who will play on a customer's emotions…..just for Money, because well, as woman, guys have played on my emotions…..just for sex (I think the cost of emotional deception is worth a lot more). So I won't insinuate the possibility of OTC action or having romantic feelings, once I get propositioned, it ends. Some dancers won't do this...


That's admirable, and from my limited experience, unusual.



I think the tension from both sides comes from irrational expectations, reading too much into things, hoping, and lying out of desperation..for money or sex.


Agreed.

juan
08-22-2006, 08:48 AM
HeyGen War I am going off thread topic here. I am not being a smart ass
here but I am a South Park fan and every time I read your threads it's in
the voice of the chef. I mean I am reading your thread and the chef is speaking to me.

Star_bare_elegance
08-23-2006, 09:50 PM
We don't hate most of you :-)

AkashaM
10-06-2006, 09:28 PM
Ohhh please, i read the things that the blueboys say about us...i remember a guy saying "If I cant cum from a lapdance, then the girl didnt do her job and im not paying her." Of course I balked--I think thats really asinine! Does EVERY patron feel that way? Of course not. No dancer hates all customers. You know all know that, fellas! We couldnt pay our bills and feed our kids if we didnt have you. (cue gypsy violins) I have respect for people who have respect for me; this includes friendly & respectful customers. 8)

I honestly dont think that girl did anything that he didnt deserve--that guy was out of line; he was rude and abusive, he deserved every but of it. Do you know how fucking demeaning it is to have VERY rich people think that they can buy you because they're rich/famous?

I've danced for pro-atheletes...they are rude, horrible, cocky people. I have only met one that was cool. One Detroit Pistons player I danced for ran out without paying for his dances I (after a big lecture about how he "doesnt give out charity." I chased him to the door and no one did anything about it. This jerk wouldnt pay for a $40 dance when the management kept telling me to go to him when I knew he would be a jerk. If could remember his name, I would have blasted it all over the damn net.

GenWar, I know that you arent an asshole, I've read alot of your posts. So I hope you didnt take that isolated situation seriously. I SERIOUSLY doubt something like that will ever happen to you because you are respectful and have a realistic attitude regarding SCs. That guy clearly didnt. but he offered her more than most men offer me, lol, I've gotten as low as $50. ::)

But if you are nasty to someone, what do you expect? Kindeness? Hell no! I gotta swallow every damn customer insult with a smile and a "ok, have a wonderful night!" After a few months of customers rolling thier eyes when you smile at them, refusing to pay for said dances, being licked, being bitten, having your pussy grabbed, being told that you're ugly/too black/too white/too skinny/too fat ect ect ect ect...wouldnt you flip after so much disrespect? Keep in mind that I DO NOT condone ripping off customers--it just creates bad karma. I have never stolen anything or lied about the amount songs ect....but the case of that guy is this:

He paid $350 to abuse her (by placing the $ in her hand)...he got his kicks and she got paid...end of story.

Money is power in the SC world and she took his money, thus taking his "power" in the situation. Same way guys tell us "oh, you gotta work for this 1$, bend over and spread your ass cheeks wide." Why? because it makes guys feel powerful. I bet that athlete felt like an ass for being so damn rude.

sorry bout the long ass ranty nature of this post...I just deal with tons of celebs at my club and I rarely meet celebs/pro-aths that dont have thier heads up thier ass. They deserve everthing they get for thinking that they are above the law. Give me some regular Joe-Schmo customer anyday!

azcustomer
10-06-2006, 09:51 PM
^^^^ Man, that's a lot of effort to try to ressurect an old thread.

Blah blah blah blah - we love good customers - blah blah blah - but you don't understand how much of a jerk he was - blah blah blah - hey, we have the right to be jerks too - blah blah blah

Um,

Bite me

mr_punk
10-07-2006, 09:37 AM
Keep in mind that I DO NOT condone ripping off customers--it just creates bad karma. I have never stolen anything or lied about the amount songs ectwhy, of course not. after all, you're a temple virgin. seriously, one has to wonder if some of you girls are so disconnected that you can't recognize a rip-off when you see it.

He paid $350 to abuse her (by placing the $ in her hand)...he got his kicks and she got paid...end of story.funny, i thought he was giving her the money for a piece of ass.

Star Player
11-18-2006, 07:24 PM
I find the pink side interesting reading but would not post there no matter how much the conversation ticked me off.

WiseGuy_TX
11-19-2006, 09:27 AM
I find the pink side interesting reading ...Derek, what do you find interesting and why?

DylanAngel
11-19-2006, 10:14 AM
I don't know how I missed this or the subsequent pink thread that started it, but my take is this.

Getting asked for more is the nature of the business, IMHO. Sucks for us, but that's the way it is. There's no changing it other than you getting outta the business if you can't handle it.

And am I the only one who saw it as a kind of joke? "I got $700 that says you'll be in my bed!" What is so appalling about that? I'd be flattered because a lot of guys would just try to take it right there during the $20 dance. And I bet I could've gotten dinner and breakfast outta that one too, lol! (I'm a food whore, what can I say?)

And OMG, how dare he insult my delicate nature, I am a dancer, not a hooker! Oh puh-leeze. I've been propostioned just as much in a corporate setting. Travelling salesman are the horniest people around and it's not just strippers that they go after. Strippers are the ones they go after when the wild dinner meetings at the home office are over and they got turned down by us office gals.

These lines are blurred by most of us anyway. Most of us, not all, have crossed the line into something a little more than the actual laws intended i.e.: grinding, boobs in the face etc. Guys don't know your limitations, so they push the envelope. But for you to be appalled when this happens? Just take it as it comes and let him know you don't do that. What's the big deal? Why was this guy worse than the rest of them...why did he deserve to be robbed?

We are not exactly Mary Poppins in this biz. Your job is to sell the illusion and, when someone buys into your fantasy, you do a 180? Consider your job well done that he wanted you, turn him down and count the honest money you just made.

Stop taking things so seriously. Makes the job that much easier.

BrunetteGoddess
11-19-2006, 07:47 PM
Well, while I like MnM and all, she does come across as REALLY naive. It's not her fault, but hopefully with age she'll grow out of that.

DylanAngel
11-19-2006, 07:52 PM
CF, you're really young yourself, if I remember correctly, and you are not naive at all. You are also very articulate and insightful.

I don't know what the difference is but it's there.

BrunetteGoddess
11-19-2006, 08:10 PM
Well thank you. Yes, I am pretty young myself, will be 22 in January.

I can't say what the difference is, but I've gone through a lot of shit in my life that forced me to grow up fast.

xdamage
11-20-2006, 05:08 PM
These lines are blurred by most of us anyway. Most of us, not all, have crossed the line into something a little more than the actual laws intended i.e.:

Stop taking things so seriously. Makes the job that much easier.

OMG, a dancer who has a realistic, non black and white view of the situation. A very rare thing. I love you. Marry me ;)

DylanAngel
11-20-2006, 05:15 PM
OMG, a dancer who has a realistic, non black and white view of the situation. A very rare thing. I love you. Marry me ;)

Yeah, until the next time Mr. Punk posts something I don't like and I turn pink again.;)


(I really wanted to say something cute back to you, but I'm afraid I'll disappoint Jenny...hence the remark spoken like a true smart ass)

xdamage
11-20-2006, 07:05 PM
Yeah, until the next time Mr. Punk posts something I don't like and I turn pink again.;)


(I really wanted to say something cute back to you, but I'm afraid I'll disappoint Jenny...hence the remark spoken like a true smart ass)

It's okay, I understand the need to maintain an image of being a hard-ass, as well as not wanting to aliienate the pink side. Your secret is safe with me ;) I'll just have to admire you from afar ;D

Casual Observer
11-20-2006, 07:15 PM
These lines are blurred by most of us anyway. Most of us, not all, have crossed the line into something a little more than the actual laws intended i.e.: grinding, boobs in the face etc. Guys don't know your limitations, so they push the envelope. But for you to be appalled when this happens? Just take it as it comes and let him know you don't do that. What's the big deal?

That's really pretty accurate. It's not a business for everyone.


It's okay, I understand the need to maintain an image of being a hard-ass, as well as not wanting to aliienate the pink side.

Indeed...those Pinkies force girls to toe the party line pretty hard.

Jenny
11-20-2006, 07:22 PM
That's really pretty accurate. It's not a business for everyone.
Shucks. Thanks for letting us know.


Indeed...those Pinkies force girls to toe the party line pretty hard.
Oh come on. That is not significantly different than anything that any other regular has said (not that DA is not delightful and original). But IF there is a "party line" that is actually it.

DA - for the record. I would have been disappointed.

VERY disappointed.

DylanAngel
11-20-2006, 07:27 PM
DA - for the record. I would have been disappointed.

VERY disappointed.

Well good then. Mission accomplished. Have to do something lest the Blue Boys think I'm turning purple. (Pinkie mixed with a little blue).

DylanAngel
11-20-2006, 07:34 PM
Oh come on. That is not significantly different than anything that any other regular has said (not that DA is not delightful and original). But IF there is a "party line" that is actually it.


I do realize that my post could have been copied word for word from any number of blue posts, but I thought it would have more impact coming from a peer.

Judging by the almost shocked posts by the boys, it seems it did have some impact. All good, but it will probably be lost on the one for which it was intended.

*sigh...newbies.

Casual Observer
11-20-2006, 07:34 PM
Shucks. Thanks for letting us know.

You say that like it's obvious, yet the number of girls that post on Pink with a near-obliviousness to the nature of the business never ceases to amaze me. Maybe you should let them know.

Jenny
11-20-2006, 07:44 PM
Dylan
I meant on the pink side. Look at the debacle that is currently "Anyone an extras girl" and you have post after post of girls saying that they do different things, that they've done extras, that they stretch the limits - the only thing you don't have are girls copping to actual fucking and blowjobs in the club.

I wasn't criticizing you for it; I just don't know where this idea that pinkies insist that airdances are the norm and anyone who doesn't do them is a whore COMES from. What I read is mostly "yeah, we've all done it"

For the record - it was all ENTIRELY lost on the one for whom it was intended. Although when you think about it: compare the posts that get so greviously offended at "being mistaken for a prostitute" and detailing that stripping and prostitution are SO different that it is a cutting wound to imply by such an offer that there is similarity with the "Tyra" threads. How dare Tyra Banks think there is a difference between modelling and stripping!
Oooh. Irony.

xdamage
11-20-2006, 07:48 PM
You say that like it's obvious, yet the number of girls that post on Pink with a near-obliviousness to the nature of the business never ceases to amaze me. Maybe you should let them know.

Amen.

I'd say the vast majority of the issues between pink and blue come to down to a fairly minor grey area, and yet that's where the truth lies, and often the inability to face the not so perfect truths about what goes on in the clubs.

DylanAngel
11-20-2006, 07:52 PM
Oh I more than get you Jenny. I've always been one of the people who consider sexual acts the extras and grindage and the like being the norm.

I would love to work in a place where a gentleman pays me for my time, treats me like a princess and would never dare to insinuate that I would do anything more for money.

Yeah right. I live and work in blue collar country where guys work hard for their money and will not part with it without receiving some type of gratification. Even if that gratification is only to humiliate us by showing that they have all the power.

I harbor no illusions about what I do. I can say without a doubt that the fucking and sucking is not performed by me, for money, in the club.

The only time I get indignant is if someone calls me a prostitute.

I never accept money for my sexual favors.

Jenny
11-20-2006, 08:21 PM
Oh I more than get you Jenny. I've always been one of the people who consider sexual acts the extras and grindage and the like being the norm.
Awww. We're all such good friends. :-*:-* You even get multiple kissy faces.


I would love to work in a place where a gentleman pays me for my time, treats me like a princess and would never dare to insinuate that I would do anything more for money.
I did have a guy recently who was apparently shocked when I asked him if he was trying to pay me for sex. I thought that was cute.


Yeah right. I live and work in blue collar country where guys work hard for their money and will not part with it without receiving some type of gratification. Even if that gratification is only to humiliate us by showing that they have all the power.
And... there you went. You just alienated every guy here. Down here, discussion of power relations is dirty the way discussing scat is dirty at your mother's [pick a winter solctice holiday of your choice] dinner. Seriously. You would be better off discussing customers who like to drink your urine.


I harbor no illusions about what I do. I can say without a doubt that the fucking and sucking is not performed by me, for money, in the club.
Hey! Me neither! See! We have so much in common.

It must be the ovaries.


The only time I get indignant is if someone calls me a prostitute.
I never accept money for my sexual favors.Meh. I can't really get worked up unless they are rude about it.

DylanAngel
11-20-2006, 08:33 PM
And... there you went. You just alienated every guy here.

Yeah well...that's the reason I bought Unisom...for all the sleep I'll be losing over that one.}:D


It must be the ovaries.

I'd like to think it's because of the brain cells.


Meh. I can't really get worked up unless they are rude about it.

I'm upset you missed my joke in there. I don't really care if I'm called anything. I meant that I'm a slut...not a prostitute. My favors are free.;D

xdamage
11-20-2006, 09:01 PM
And... there you went. You just alienated every guy here. Down here, discussion of power relations is dirty the way discussing scat is dirty at your mother's [pick a winter solctice holiday of your choice] dinner. Seriously. You would be better off discussing customers who like to drink your urine.



Actually she didn't alienate me in the least. What alienates me is the obliviousness (or absolute denial) about the not so perfect reality. I'd guess most of the guys honestly don't care at all that there is a power struggle at play.

DylanAngel
11-20-2006, 09:44 PM
Actually she didn't alienate me in the least. What alienates me is the obliviousness (or absolute denial) about the not so perfect reality. I'd guess most of the guys honestly don't care at all that there is a power struggle at play.

I didn't? Give me another chance to try!

BrunetteGoddess
11-20-2006, 10:06 PM
Dammit DA; you must try harder!

xdamage
11-21-2006, 09:17 AM
DA had me at --

"Getting asked for more is the nature of the business, IMHO. Sucks for us, but that's the way it is. "

^^^Talk about a refreshing facing of the facts.

Refreshing, and I find that way of thinking to be very mature and healthy.

p.s. now I'll STFU because I don't want to see DA marked and outcast like some kind of cult-dissident for writing something a customer agrees with.

DylanAngel
11-21-2006, 10:33 AM
p.s. now I'll STFU because I don't want to see DA marked and outcast like some kind of cult-dissident for writing something a customer agrees with.


If the pink side truly operated like that, we'd have no posters at all. My contributions speak for themselves and I have no fear of being marked simply for stating the obvious. Whether or not it was something customers agreed with never entered the equation or my mind.

doc-catfish
11-21-2006, 01:37 PM
While its painfully obvious much of Pinkieland isn't exactly a reflection of SC reality, it shouldn't be that much of stretch to see why it is the way it is considering that SC reality seldom is a pleasant thing for a dancer to deal with. I mean look at SG. It might as well be renamed Rant General.

A lot of the gals here see SW as a means to vent the frustrations involved with their work (or their lives in general). While I think dedicating so much of the forum space to "supportive" catharsis tends to ruin the value of SW as an information resource, I can perhaps understand a need for that catharsis. That's just how women are. They like to talk about their problems, whereas we men prefer to shut up and fix ours, or try (often in vain) to fix theirs. That's one reason why customer postings in SG aren't exactly well received by some gals up there.

In any regard, I think we all have to understand pinkie ramblings that often have little practical real world application in that context. If what they say up there offends our ilk, well....I'm not going to get my boxers in a snarf over it. The offending comments likely weren't for our disemination anyway, just as a lot of our vitriol isn't for theirs.

Besides, if the dancers we see in the clubs portrayed that same mantra to our faces, I assure you we wouldn't spend the money we do.

BrunetteGoddess
11-21-2006, 02:17 PM
..I'm not going to get my boxers in a snarf over it.


LMAO!!!

DylanAngel
11-21-2006, 02:23 PM
What, exactly, is a SNARF? And how do I get one?

BrunetteGoddess
11-21-2006, 02:25 PM
Google for Snarf
http://www.bsandm.net/blogs/images/snarf.gif

xdamage
11-21-2006, 02:33 PM
While its painfully obvious much of Pinkieland isn't exactly a reflection of SC reality, it shouldn't be that much of stretch to see why it is the way it is considering that SC reality seldom is a pleasant thing for a dancer to deal with.

....That's just how women are. They like to talk about their problems, whereas we men prefer to shut up and fix ours, or try (often in vain) to fix theirs.

As you already know, broad sweeping generalizations invite a flaming hot counter argument, but I'll leave that to others ;).

My own experiences tend to match that observation. There are exceptions of course, but the majority of women I know as friends, have been close with, or work with, definitely seem to enjoy talking about their problems, and desire support far more then my guy acquaintenances. And I'm definitely the type of guy who prefers to shut-up and fix my problems rather then talk about them.

Probably the healthy spot is somewhere in the middle. Guys may bottle up too much or feel overly impatient with talk for talk's sake, but OTOH, talking about one's problems endlessly without ever taking any real action to change one's circumstances or feelings, is it's own kind of self-perpetuating problem.

Of course all of this assumes that we are talking about people whose goal it is to resolve their problems. I'm pretty sure that some people (deep down) like drama and enjoy being in a state of emotional turmoil. They enjoy the ongoing support that goes with it, so it's not just that they want to talk through their problems, rather they want to go on having them and the accompanying emotional rollercoaster that goes with. Those types are pretty much hopelessly stuck on a rollercoaster ride that they have no interest in getting off. You have to let them go and enjoy their ride until/if they grow out of it.

DylanAngel
11-21-2006, 02:45 PM
I don't think that Doc was generalizing. He was just stating a fact of human nature that, I think, both sides would agree on.

DylanAngel
11-21-2006, 02:49 PM
Snarf
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A character in the cartoon ThunderCats.
A fluorescent dye that changes colour with pH
An exceptionally disagreeable person.
An action whereby one presses someone's nose whilst saying the word, "Snarf."
To eat or drink quickly or greedily

Well if that doesn't run the gamut, I don't know what does!!

xdamage
11-21-2006, 02:51 PM
I don't think that Doc was generalizing. He was just stating a fact of human nature that, I think, both sides would agree on.

Stop that DA, you're making me like you!

I also happen to believe in "human nature", but not everyone does. Personally I agree with the doc, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone felt a need to argue his point.

DylanAngel
11-21-2006, 04:57 PM
Stop that DA, you're making me like you!


I'm not making you do anything. And if I did, it certainly would have nothing to do with like.

Lust maybe....but it wouldn't matter if you liked me or not in that instance.}:D

xdamage
11-21-2006, 05:32 PM
I'm not making you do anything.


True, but I was trying to be cute :-X



And if I did, it certainly would have nothing to do with like. Lust maybe....but it wouldn't matter if you liked me or not in that instance.}:D

I've lusted after a lot more people then I've liked. Those I like have been far, few, and rare, so damnit woman, take it as a compliment ;D

DylanAngel
11-21-2006, 05:47 PM
So it is official.. have I finally exasperated you?

How bout you just humor me and say yes anyway. Just cause I'd make you do it anyway.

FBR
11-21-2006, 05:56 PM
Sounds like he probably is. I think the 15 minute delay between his post and your response got to him. Either that or he's driving over to the carry out to pick up a six pack and some microwave popcorn :P

FBR

xdamage
11-21-2006, 06:17 PM
So it is official.. have I finally exasperated you?

How bout you just humor me and say yes anyway. Just cause I'd make you do it anyway.

Yes (that's for you because you asked and it was cute the way you asked), but no (that's for me, because I'm a dominant mofo and well just cause ;D)

Jenny
11-21-2006, 06:20 PM
While its painfully obvious much of Pinkieland isn't exactly a reflection of SC reality, it shouldn't be that much of stretch to see why it is the way it is considering that SC reality seldom is a pleasant thing for a dancer to deal with. I mean look at SG. It might as well be renamed Rant General.

Okay. It's not like I agree with every pinkie (I mean really - people agree with me there about as often as they do here. If there is a post that says "No, but...." it's likely mine); however do you know what gets MY boxers in a snarf?
Well, a lot of things. But specifically when guys who consuming the product assume that they know more about "strip club reality" than we do. I mean, it just seems like a weird thing to think. I would think that if there is consensus on the pink side (which there isn't, but if there was) on what strip clubs were like, that our collective experience would trump your experience, but individually and collectively.

DylanAngel
11-21-2006, 06:35 PM
But specifically when guys who consuming the product assume that they know more about "strip club reality" than we do.

I agree. I don't see how any customer could truly know about SC reality.

It's all pretty much based on what we want them to know or see, not what is necessarily real.

Jenny
11-21-2006, 06:48 PM
^^^
I don't even mean "reality" in that way - like they only know what we want them to know (although it is a valid observation). But, like - we WORK there. We INVENT the product they consume. We sell the product they consume. We spend 10 hours to every one hour they spend there. It just seems obvious that WE'RE the experts. If it was a car lot we'd be the mechanics, designers and salespeople. It would seem obvious that person would know more about cars than the person who drives one. So I don't get why customers are continually telling us that WE are the ones who are imagining, lying or wrong and that they know the real deal.

DylanAngel
11-21-2006, 06:53 PM
Yup. The few hours that they spend there would be their reality. Not "the reality" of the actual business.

xdamage
11-21-2006, 07:19 PM
^^^
So I don't get why customers are continually telling us that WE are the ones who are imagining, lying or wrong and that they know the real deal.

True, but by analogy, most businesses go out of business because they lose touch with what their customers really want, and due to internal culture, have some fairly misguided ideas about the competition, and market for their product.