View Full Version : JonBenet Ramsey Killer found in Thailand
Rhiannon
08-19-2006, 09:10 PM
^Wow.. I just read that site last night, and bookmarked it, KJ.. I read the whole thing. It definitely makes ya think.
leilanicandy
08-19-2006, 09:11 PM
See i believe little kids should look like little kids. it is to many peverts out here! Her killer was a second grade teacher.Thats the scariest part!
madmaxine
08-19-2006, 09:17 PM
I've seen Pageant-chic kids at the mall during competitions & I couldn't help but stare. I suddenly felt better about my parents dressing me in dorky cotton dresses & cutting my hair at home. There was no PRESSURE on me.
Re: pageant culture-on a black comedy note, there's a movie called "Drop Dead Gorgeous" about teen beauty queens (Kirsten Dunst, Denise Richards & Kirstie Alley are in it.) It might get that dirty taste out of your brain, it's pretty funny.
Rhiannon
08-19-2006, 09:32 PM
^Yeah, that's a good movie, Maxi.. I have the DVD.. I love the ending, personally, because I hate Denise Richards.. Hehe..
KA-BOOM!
threlayer
08-22-2006, 08:14 PM
Did they not say that his DNA matched with what they found on the her body and clothes?
Lysondra
08-22-2006, 08:23 PM
They haven't DNAed him yet, I believe. And if they have, they haven't matched it yet.
I think he's lying.
carolina6
08-22-2006, 09:58 PM
I understand that everyone feels it is sick and unnatural to dress your child up this way, but saying that they deserved it or should have expected it, to me, is just like saying that a woman deserves to be raped for wearing a mini-skirt.
I do think that it's unnatural for any pre-pubescent girl to wear makeup, and I think pageants are unhealthy for girls who are too young to have good self-esteem yet. Children are pretty fragile when it comes to a big disappointment like losing a pageant.
I don't think that the family deserved it though. Maybe they deserved to have the sh*t scared out of them, something to make them re-think what they were putting their daughter through, but they didn't deserve to lose her.
Thinking of that man working with children in any respect creeps me out. Even if he didn't kill JonBenet, I'm glad he's away from kids now.
PaigeDWinter
08-22-2006, 09:59 PM
^^^^ There is a difference between saying that the parents deserve it and having no sympathy for them.
Deogol
08-22-2006, 10:04 PM
I heard the DNA was so small in quantity and broken up/incomplete it could have been from a worker in the factory that made the underwear!
Bridgette
08-22-2006, 10:14 PM
^^^^ There is a difference between saying that the parents deserve it and having no sympathy for them.Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying the parents deserved it, but I for one have no sympathy for them. I have sympathy for the little girl who was abused and killed, no one else in this case.
Rhiannon
08-22-2006, 11:15 PM
I COMPLETELY agree with B.
No one said that this was deserved, nor was that implied by anyone.
Should they have expected it? Fuck yeah they should've. Anyone would. As a parent, you need to be one step ahead of these sick fucks, at all times. It's your job. Handing your children all dressed up on a pretty little silver platter to them, is not.
And while pedophiles will seek out and lust after children, no matter how they're dressed.. It's up to the parents/guardians to keep them protected, and not to put them on display in a manner that promotes that shit.
Siber
08-23-2006, 09:36 AM
C'mon, all.
It doesn't matter if the parents are sexualizing a child or not. Really. Really. That's a different discussion.
If someone started a discussion about whether or not the parents deserved this cuz they were poor and black and drug users, said person would be run off this site, and rightly so. The great thing, the greatest thing about American justice is that it is really is blind most of the time.
Whether the Ramseys are sleazy child sexualizers or deacons in church doesn't matter. All that really matter is:
Did this dude kill this girl?
And, if you want to be technical, can it be proven?
No one ever asks whether they deserved it. Quite frankly, I think that's a good and just thing. If we DID ask that, what's stopping us from letting juries saying poor people, homeless people, drug addicted people, even dancers.... deserved it?
***off soap box***
Siber
Classic'sMontana
08-23-2006, 09:47 AM
Did this dude kill this girl?
Isn't there a great deal of doubt that this guy is involved? I heard, at work mind you, that he made it up to get out of jail in Thialand and sent home to America?
Classic'sMontana
08-23-2006, 09:49 AM
^^^I guess I should have read the thread first....^^^ sigh... sorry guys...
Bridgette
08-23-2006, 02:23 PM
Mixing up issues there Siber. I think everyone agrees that whoever killed her is a piece of shit and deserves everything he's got coming to him - and whatever jerkoffs her parents were has nothing to do with that. 'Nuff said.
The side discussion is concerning the shithead parents making the poor girl into a tiny sexpot way too early - what amounts to abuse. I think everyone feels sorry for her for 2 reasons - the abuse she must've endured in life, and the abuse and violence in death.
Jay Zeno
08-23-2006, 04:58 PM
They had some DNA at first. As time went on, they had better techniques for extracting more definitive DNA. My information is that they have enough for a positive ID.
He's making weird statements that cast doubt. He's a nutcase. But the DNA will be specific, and then our speculation will be so much white noise. Meanwhile, he's not getting whisked to Colorado just yet because Colorado would like a little more time to prepare the evidence to charge him - so the story goes.
Docido
08-23-2006, 05:26 PM
In a few weeks we'll know for sure if he is the guy. The DNA evidence will tell the tale. I guess my problem is this story getting such major media play. Yes, it's a tragedy when a child or anyone is murdered, but in the grand scheme of things, there's far more important news out there.
tootsie
08-23-2006, 07:21 PM
http://crimemagazine.com/jonbenet.htm
Oh god, oh god, oh god. I want to scrub my eyeballs and brain out with Clorox. She's dressed like a showgirl, complete with heels. All she needs are implants. I pity anyone who has to bury a child, but it breaks my heart to see kids who are basically little adults. A year ago, in a restaurant, I saw a girl who was about 6-8 years old. She was wearing a knee-length tiered skirt, a cotton tank top, kitten-heeled flip-flops, and had a little Vuitton purse. My heart broke upon seeing this. While she was dressed more modestly than some of the kids I've seen (don't get me started on the hootchie wear I've seen in kids' departments), she was still dressed like an adult. She should have been dressed in shorts and sneakers, or at least a cute frilly dress. Does this have the same effect on other people?
WHO CARES HOW SHE WAS DRESSED!!!!! it was for pagents, not everyday life! all she needs is implants, give me a f-in break! so what, she probably liked doing stuff like that, being girly and not a tom boy.
as for the "killer" don't believe it was him
Lysondra
08-23-2006, 07:53 PM
Yeah I thought, 'nobody knows if she LIKED it.' what if she saw a pageant one day and said, 'mommy I wanna do that!' as children do? Maybe the mum was just trying to give her child a time where playing dress up could be profitable.
Rhiannon
08-23-2006, 08:02 PM
^Uh.. Yeah.. But young children are NOTORIOUS for changing their minds on what they want to do. They try something a time or two, and get bored of it. Then they'll be onto the next thing. Any parent can tell you that. They had her in pageants since she was a toddler. Her mother was living through her daughter, trying to recapture HER childhood and adolescence with the pageants.
Watch any documentary on pageants. You'll see kids screaming about how they don't want to do it, and the fucking stage parents FORCE them to. You might end up sickened as much as the rest of us are.
PaigeDWinter
08-23-2006, 08:29 PM
Kids liking it or not... why cant these mothers get it through their heads that NATURALLY beautiful kids are what should matter. Not miniature strippers.
Lysondra
08-23-2006, 08:32 PM
Documentaries are too biased in my opinion. They don't talk about the good and bad, just usually the bad. There wouldn't be a profitable story otherwise. No story on stripping I've seen said, 'Dancers love the freedom and money' it's usually said, 'the dancers get addicted to the flakey schedule and the dirty money old men shove in their garters each night.'
CuriousJ
08-23-2006, 09:25 PM
I just hope this is the guy - there is just a lot of nothing as of late . Hell the media doesnt even have shit and thats kind of surprising to me. I watched a whole 1/2 hr on this and really nothing was said and everyone seems to really be reaching for something anything !
Mia M
08-23-2006, 09:28 PM
Regardless of how the parents dressed thier child, or whether or not it was appropriate for them to let thier daughter participate in pageants, these people lost a child. My heart goes out to them. I'm sure the grief and pain they feel is no less than that of any other parent who has to live through such a tragedy. Unfortunately, because of insatiable morbid curiosity and the need for the public to purge the feelings of shock and disgust through blame and judement, these people are being denied empathy, compassion, and condolence from many.
If it is proven that they are not responsible for her death, I believe everyone, especially the media, owes them an apology. The ideal of "innocent until proven guilty" is dead. The quickness we all have to dismiss and condemn those we do not know or understand is saddening. Every time I watch the news, my heart sinks for humanity.
Paisley
08-25-2006, 04:46 PM
I don't mean to defend the parents, I don't know if they were dingbats or not, but child pagents are not the worst thing in the world. Most of them take place in private hotels with just the family in view. Also just like with certain childhood activities, some parents can take it to extremes and others are more normal about it. It's not like the kid is paraded around in front of strangers.
When I was 4 I told my mom I wanted to be a modeland I was in several pagents as a kid. It was never anything ridiculous like giving me fake teeth if my baby teeth feel out or hair extensions. And of course nothing like lingerie. It was mostly kid stuff and I had a great time. I continued to model until I was 15 and stopped because I was really into my sports and also I was rather short to model at that age. I have a young cousin who is 8 who has been modeling since she was 5 and she is an extremely bright, energetic, delightful little person.
Documentaries on t.v. generally have a bias and that is to make pagents look bad. I am sure you will find plenty of screaming, crying, pleading children in other activities. There are plenty of stories about insane sports parents. Look at the parents who have beat each other up on the field or have forced their young kids to perform and get injured at very young ages. I have seen parents yell and say the most nasty things comprehensible at their children for not performing to their expectations. There have also been cases of abuse with kids in spelling bees and musical instruments. My step father's father made first chair in the Cleveland Orchestra (which put him in the top 10 violinists at the time in the country). My grandfather-in-law never had a normal childhood. As soon as he came home from school he was forced to practice for hours at a time and continuously over the weekends.
But no one is saying that kids should not play sports/participate in spelling bees/play instruments simply because a few parents are complete psychopaths about it. I think the same is true for child modeling, it's just all a matter of degree. The problem is parents wanting to live vicariously through their children, not child modeling or pagentry.
I hate to say this but the more i read and the more I think., I truly believe he didnt do it.
Rhiannon
08-25-2006, 05:06 PM
Same here, Tart. It's a damn shame, too. They'll be back to square one. Ugh.
You know I think they should fry his ass any fucking ways. I have felt all along that he was a fucking sicko.
Regardless they should charge him for rendering the case and false statements.
I dont think they'll ever solve the case though.
PaigeDWinter
08-25-2006, 10:11 PM
Every single pageant I did was in a public setting. Malls, hotel conference rooms, etc. Open to the public and press. Not to mention all of the people milling around in the lobbies.
Oh if he didnt do it, he was already waist deep in sex crime charges anyhow.
what other sex charges is he being charged on?
PaigeDWinter
08-25-2006, 11:27 PM
They have yet to elaborate that I know of, but it was in Thailand.
Jillian
08-28-2006, 01:04 PM
Yahoo news has a headline saying that the DNA from Karr and and that found in Ramsey's underwear does not match.
now what
Guenevere
08-28-2006, 02:37 PM
Yahoo news has a headline saying that the DNA from Karr and and that found in Ramsey's underwear does not match.
now what
I heard that too...
I heard that he had never even been to Boulder until several years after it happened. Anyone else hear that?
Yeah i heard the same thing. His wife was pissed. She went through all the photos and was trying to Place an xmas that he wasn't around. There was never one.
He should be held though as a person that obstructed justice on a sex crime case and placed in general population.
I think a few ass rapings might make him a better man.
CuriousJ
08-28-2006, 03:36 PM
No I was really there ! Ya YA thats it , let the games begin !
Paisley
08-28-2006, 04:22 PM
Yahoo news has a headline saying that the DNA from Karr and and that found in Ramsey's underwear does not match.
now what
Now we can go back to being obsessed with TomKat and Baby Shiloh as the middle east erupts in flames and the American economy goes to hell!!!
PaigeDWinter
08-28-2006, 05:52 PM
Now we can go back to being obsessed with TomKat and Baby Shiloh as the middle east erupts in flames and the American economy goes to hell!!!
Yes indeed!
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Chicagoeditor
08-28-2006, 07:08 PM
This just in: Charges dropped, Karr released. Doh!
Deogol
08-28-2006, 07:10 PM
Yeah i heard the same thing. His wife was pissed. She went through all the photos and was trying to Place an xmas that he wasn't around. There was never one.
He should be held though as a person that obstructed justice on a sex crime case and placed in general population.
I think a few ass rapings might make him a better man.
1) If you hate someone, I doubt you are going to go out of your way to take pictures of them.
2) Karr's mom tried to set him on fire when he was two years old because she thought he had a demon inside him. How's that for a childhood?
So to tell you the truth, I suspect a few ass rapings is what made him into what he is today. It is quite common for kids who endured an ass raping or two to become the ass rapers in adulthood.
And like I have shown before - it is the rapists who do the ass fucking in prison - so he probably would have made some young kid who got into the wrong life a living hell in prison - like the guy in the movie Shawshank.
(I hate writing these "people and their stupid fucking fantasies of justice" pieces because it makes me look like a liberal. So stop it!)
Docido
08-28-2006, 08:53 PM
We're a nation of amnesiacs.
Jay Zeno
08-28-2006, 09:07 PM
DNA doesn't match. Maybe they'll file a false statement charge on him, since they spent so much to bring him back. He's going back to California to face child porn charges.
It might be a good idea to track where he's been helping with day care and elementary schools and such around the country. Yuck.
Bridgette
08-28-2006, 11:04 PM
Now we can go back to being obsessed with TomKat and Baby Shiloh as the middle east erupts in flames and the American economy goes to hell!!!You know, it'd be funny if it weren't so true! heh
Jillian
08-28-2006, 11:11 PM
DNA doesn't match. Maybe they'll file a false statement charge on him, since they spent so much to bring him back. He's going back to California to face child porn charges.
It might be a good idea to track where he's been helping with day care and elementary schools and such around the country. Yuck.
you know, i hope they do. a girl at my school falsley reported rape and recieved a false statement charge, and that DIDN"T attract national and intnl attention.
TigersMilk
08-29-2006, 08:39 AM
They just released him on account of what Jay Zeno said about the DNA not matching. But, he didnt go away empty handed he has new handcuffs for a different reason. }:D Burn sicko...
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/karr-cleared-on-jonbenet-murder-but-arrested-over-child-pornography/2006/08/29/1156816901143.html
Cupid213
08-29-2006, 01:30 PM
I could of told them he didnt do it!!!! He is just a sick person as we can see. We will never know who really hurt that sweet little girl.