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Deogol
09-14-2006, 07:57 PM
You take the good
You take the bad
You take them both
And there you have
The facts of life

I would rather not have a TV show decide the fate of the country.

lunchbox
09-15-2006, 07:24 AM
Read that little cartoon I posted because you're as ignorant as that guy shouting "racist."

I didn't start this thread because of a race issue, you moron. Stop trying to turn it into one.
You're making it the issue. You can name call all you want, but I still don't see an answer. You chose to discriminate between people you are gleefully calling "criminals" saying one is OK and one is "ruining our country" based on nationality, not me.

Calling you out on that, is a far cry from the toon you posted, and if you can't see that, go back to school. It is interesting to note that the ACLU guy said just immigrants, and it was the kid behind the register who made it about illegals. Anyone else has a problem? Deogol, DW, Blade, Optimist, etc. etc. is differentiating between illegals based on something other than their "crime" appropriate? If someone can show me how what I said was as ignorant as the toon, I'll abstain from immigration threads permanently.

Why should it be OK for a French or British person to come here illegally and run a hotel, but bad when the Latin American maids do the same?

PS - DW, don't we need the people spitting out 5 kids to help against the Muslims doing the same? Maybe our chief export should become Catholic babies.

DancerWealth
09-15-2006, 08:11 AM
PS - DW, don't we need the people spitting out 5 kids to help against the Muslims doing the same? Maybe our chief export should become Catholic babies.

I'm not sure I follow. Personally, if we had a big illegal immigration issue of blonde-haired, blue-eyed Swedes, I'd take an issue with that too. Since this is not the case and the vast majority of our illegal immigration problem is coming from Mexico and Mexicans, that's where I think we need to focus our attentions. The fact that the demographic group of people in question happen to not typically be blonde-haired and blue eyed Swedes is really irrelevant in my book.

PhaedrusZ
09-15-2006, 10:43 AM
...Why should it be OK for a French or British person to come here illegally and run a hotel, but bad when the Latin American maids do the same?

PS - DW, don't we need the people spitting out 5 kids to help against the Muslims doing the same? Maybe our chief export should become Catholic babies.In my book, it isn't okay for anyone to enter this country illegally, no matter what their country of origin (e.g., Canada, France, the U.K., Russia, Israel, Egypt, etc.) Deport every last one of 'em, but give them papers on their way out that they can fill out and file to return as a legal immigrant. But only after everyone who has already filed legally at that time has had their paperwork processed.

As to needing the people "spitting out 5 kids," why would we need this? And whether it's Muslim or Catholic babies born in the U.S., I want some kind of guarantee the families having that many children are earning enough money to support those children. And, of course, that's without needing to use any tax-supported programs such as aid to families with dependent children.

It's one thing if a mother and father both lose their jobs at the same time and need a little help for a little while until the family is back on firm financial footing. But I have to guess it's more likely a family needing help for a brief time will have one or two children vs. five or more children.

And I'm sure the Catholic Church won't mind selling off much of it's wealth, stored in Rome, in order to support the families they continually encourage to have children those families don't ever have a prayer of supporting without government assistance.

When my forebears immigrated to the U.S. from Croatia, the first one had to wait on Ellis Island, and then send for his wife and son a year later. The other three children in that family were all born in the U.S., and their father insisted that all of them speak English. Not Croatian and not a combination of Croatian and English, but only English. As to how much government assistance they received after immigrating here...well, most such programs didn't exist at the time. And knowing what I do of my family history, they would have had to be in the most dire of circumstances before they would have ever considered accepting government assistance vs. the help of their family and friends. And that is one of the biggest differences between then and now - back then, you couldn't live off of OPM (pronounced "opium") meaning, "other people's money."

Yekhefah
09-15-2006, 12:07 PM
I don't spend much time anywhere but Memphis and Southern California, so I can't speak for the rest of the country. But I haven't noticed a mass influx of Swedes undercutting wages, violating housing ordinances, bringing diseases into the country, and crippling our economy by sending vast sums of money home to Sweden. Nor have I noticed any demands that the rest of the nation speak Swedish and educate children in Swedish. If this is going on where you live, then by all means, something should be done. But it's not the case in Southern California.

lunchbox
09-15-2006, 02:58 PM
I'm not sure I follow.
That was a joke reffering to the second article:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=832859&postcount=44

Personally, if we had a big illegal immigration issue of blonde-haired, blue-eyed Swedes, I'd take an issue with that too. Since this is not the case and the vast majority of our illegal immigration problem is coming from Mexico and Mexicans, that's where I think we need to focus our attentions. The fact that the demographic group of people in question happen to not typically be blonde-haired and blue eyed Swedes is really irrelevant in my book.

That's great that all of you are bringing the Swedes into this, but what does your deciding to use the example of Swedes not being the majority of illegal immigrants have to do with my post? So, it is OK for a Swede or any other European to commit this crime so long as more Mexicans are doing it? We can't go after both (I'm not implying with the same resources)? Could you please explain why we can only focus on one "demographic" (nice euphemism for race, unless by blond hair blue eyes you meant their age or political affiliation)?

How could they possibly call us "racist blue eyed devils" if we started filling up a couple planes with blue eyed people, or pull the racist card if we were actively pursuing all races? It kind of sucks to be singled out, especially when race/origin plays such a large part in the issue.


I don't spend much time anywhere but Memphis and Southern California, so I can't speak for the rest of the country. But I haven't noticed a mass influx of Swedes undercutting wages, violating housing ordinances, bringing diseases into the country, and crippling our economy by sending vast sums of money home to Sweden. Nor have I noticed any demands that the rest of the nation speak Swedish and educate children in Swedish. If this is going on where you live, then by all means, something should be done. But it's not the case in Southern California.
Funny Yek, but the only people who came here that no one said that about was the Native Americans. Maybe you can narrow it down for me, I'm having trouble guessing. With the history of this country and so many groups having come through, can you blame me?

exotisch23
09-15-2006, 05:08 PM
You're making it the issue. You can name call all you want, but I still don't see an answer. You chose to discriminate between people you are gleefully calling "criminals" saying one is OK and one is "ruining our country" based on nationality, not me.


YOU are making it the issue because you won't shut up about it. Mexican illegal aliens are ruining our country based on their activities/actions. I can't believe some people just can't figure that out. Wow.



Calling you out on that, is a far cry from the toon you posted, and if you can't see that, go back to school. It is interesting to note that the ACLU guy said just immigrants, and it was the kid behind the register who made it about illegals. Anyone else has a problem? Deogol, DW, Blade, Optimist, etc. etc. is differentiating between illegals based on something other than their "crime" appropriate? If someone can show me how what I said was as ignorant as the toon, I'll abstain from immigration threads permanently.


What's your point? They both said it different ways but meant the same thing anyway: illegal alien immigrants. Nice attempt to debate something that makes no difference at all. ::)


The original subject is about illegal aliens from Mexico. Illegal aliens from Europe did not even cross my mind when coming to think of all the issues we have with illegal aliens from Mexico, obviously. Why do you keep trying to turn it into a race issue when clearly it is not?

lunchbox
09-16-2006, 07:35 AM
YOU are making it the issue because you won't shut up about it. Mexican illegal aliens are ruining our country based on their activities/actions. I can't believe some people just can't figure that out. Wow.
Dissenters should be made to shut it, no matter what? You are just repeating yourself over and over with the exact same words. Do you ever get past your topic and make points?

What's your point? They both said it different ways but meant the same thing anyway: illegal alien immigrants. Nice attempt to debate something that makes no difference at all. ::)
The author might have meant the same thing, unfortunately it's not what he wrote. So, what about people legally here permanently who don't speak English, or tourists? Nice attempt to dismiss something that does exist, it isn't as though we have a national language.

The original subject is about illegal aliens from Mexico. Illegal aliens from Europe did not even cross my mind when coming to think of all the issues we have with illegal aliens from Mexico, obviously. Why do you keep trying to turn it into a race issue when clearly it is not?
Because the national lines you are obviously willing to discriminate on are racial as well? If the Mexicans leave can the rest of Latin America stay?

exotisch23
09-16-2006, 10:01 PM
Dissenters should be made to shut it, no matter what? You are just repeating yourself over and over with the exact same words. Do you ever get past your topic and make points?


That's because you don't get it and you never will. I will provide you with a vast amount of information on the problems people hopping our border from mexico are causing but I don't think I'll be able to find any info. on europeans doing the same thing. Unless you can. :D



The author might have meant the same thing, unfortunately it's not what he wrote. So, what about people legally here permanently who don't speak English, or tourists? Nice attempt to dismiss something that does exist, it isn't as though we have a national language.

Not right now but millions of people think we should (make english the national language).

lunchbox
09-17-2006, 04:03 PM
That's because you don't get it and you never will. I will provide you with a vast amount of information on the problems people hopping our border from mexico are causing but I don't think I'll be able to find any info. on europeans doing the same thing. Unless you can. :D
I've only asked you two or three times now which of your problems with illegals only comes from South of the border, but your going to act now as if it's something I don't want? Information is easy to find, what do you want to know?


Not right now but millions of people think we should (make english the national language).
Are they having trouble with all the road signs written in Spanish?

Right now, millions of people are fighting to ban gay marriage (which is already illegal) via the constitution and teach intelligent design alongside evolution in science classes.

exotisch23
09-17-2006, 04:16 PM
I've only asked you two or three times now which of your problems with illegals only comes from South of the border, but your going to act now as if it's something I don't want? Information is easy to find, what do you want to know?


MY problem? You mean America's, right?

The information I would like to hear from you is how bad a problem european illegal aliens are. If you can't prove they cause more trouble then stfu already and get a clue.


Are they having trouble with all the road signs written in Spanish?

Right now, millions of people are fighting to ban gay marriage (which is already illegal) via the constitution and teach intelligent design alongside evolution in science classes.

Irrelevant.

~Nikki~
09-17-2006, 07:56 PM
Irrelevant.

Perhaps and perhaps not. Depends on ones perspective. Many people find all three topics to be connected by bigotry in one form or another.




The information I would like to hear from you is how bad a problem european illegal aliens are.

Maybe you haven't been to NYC. There you will find all kinds of European, eastern block and Russian, Haitian illegals. Not that I have a problem with them because I lean more towards the humanitarian point of view on the subject of illegals. I figure if they are willing to risk life and limb to get here, well I'm sure you get my point.

Ofcourse, there are some bad apples in the mix but that is true with natural born citizen as well as legal immigrants.

Also I think it is important to keep in mind that just because a person chooses to speak another language at home or in public with friends or what have you, it does not automatically mean that that person is an illegal. Plenty of natural born citizens as well as legal immigrants and tourists speak other languages instead of or in addition to English.

As an American, I wouldn't want to be judged as breaking the law in another country for simply speaking the language of my choice or ability.

PhaedrusZ
09-17-2006, 11:35 PM
...The original subject is about illegal aliens from Mexico. Illegal aliens from Europe did not even cross my mind when coming to think of all the issues we have with illegal aliens from Mexico...
With all due respect, Exotisch, I personally believe we need to deport all illegal aliens, no matter what the country of origin - it's the only fair way, imho, that it will be possible.

But I'm also one of those weird people who would like to see a wall built along our northern border with Canada, along with a wall along our southern border with Mexico - that way, there shouldn't be any complaints from our neighbors to either the north or south. The only reason LAX wasn't blown up1 during the millennium, was a very alert Canadian border agent. And then I want our airports, seaports, and yes, even computer ports(at least those related to financial institutiions and electric power generation, etc.) "sealed off."

What actually pisses me off no end about the potential amnesty is this - I don't have an exact figure, but I've heard there are approx.18,000 people serving prison sentences for tax evasion, most of whom I would believe to be U.S. citizens. Now, their "crimes" for the most part, are non-violent, as is also the case for crossing the border illegally, other than the drug trade and gangs.

The following is my own version of "Fair Trade," since our current and former president both have such a high degree of interest in the topic. This is the one way I would support an amnesty for those illegal aliens already in the U.S. - a simultaneous amnesty to those U.S. citizens currently in prison for tax evasion, and financial reparations to those U.S. citizens for false imprisonment. Otherwise, if the politicians tell me this just isn't possible, they can all, as far as I'm concerned, go do something which is usually described as being anatomically impossible.

lunchbox
09-18-2006, 07:43 AM
MY problem? You mean America's, right?

The information I would like to hear from you is how bad a problem European illegal aliens are. If you can't prove they cause more trouble then stfu already and get a clue.
There should never be a need for someone to prove the need to uniformly enforce the laws of this nation.

I guess I don't have the inside information that you do about the illegal Europeans anonymously dropping of their taxes on the IRS's doorstep in the middle of the night. Organized crime stemming from Europe a myth, film at 11. Which do you think is more likely you will catch TB from an illegal Mexican or you will catch bird flu or some sars like disease from someone on the Eurasian continent?

Acknowledging that almost 40 percent of America's illegal aliens are from Mexico, Skerry pointed out that while this fuels the perception that most Mexicans are illegals, this is not the case. Nor is Mexico by any means the only source of illegal immigration; nearly half of all illegals in the U.S. are visa overstayers, of whom just over 20 percent are Mexican. He added that these misconceptions contribute to a "Mexican myopia — which is our preoccupation, perhaps even our obsession, with our southern border."
http://www.cis.org/articles/cantigny/proceedings.html#III


Irrelevant.
If that is irrelevant to you, what exactly is it you think a national language means?