View Full Version : 11 year girl attacked.
space_Cadet_28
09-08-2006, 09:13 AM
from quoted article:
Several mob attacks have taken place in Milwaukee's inner city in recent years. In 2002, more than a dozen people, mostly boys, chased a man through the streets and beat him to death with shovel handles, rakes and tree limbs.
can't but help feel "society" has broken down in some places.
kittenkat
09-09-2006, 03:24 PM
^^ I'm with ya there, cherry_sin.
Xiomara
09-09-2006, 05:30 PM
I dont even want to read the article because it will only piss me off but maybe I should before I post. They need to be in for life or shot for all I care. I would think A little girl will do what shes told, when shes surrounded by a bunch of men who may hurt or kill her if she doesnt listen,no matter her background. I can just imagine her fear and confusion. Poor baby.
Xiomara
09-09-2006, 05:31 PM
Rape doesn't have to be physically forced. Alot of ppl think of it that way only. This shit boggles me. :banghead:
Exactly.
Xiomara
09-09-2006, 05:39 PM
No child can give legal consent for sex, District Attorney E. Michael McCann said Friday.
“Whether the 11-year-old child consented or not is utterly irrelevant,” he said.
Fu*kers I hope they suffer.
tootsie
09-09-2006, 06:29 PM
i'm gonna have to agree with sander8son. i'm probably going to get mauled by the striperweb clique. but the girls wasn't attacked. it also stated she went to the basment and chose who she wanted to give oral to. i don't think she was scared or anything like that. she got a train pulled on her, plain and simple. 11 year olds are having sex now a days. they just start younger and younger.
PaigeDWinter
09-09-2006, 06:36 PM
i'm gonna have to agree with sander8son. i'm probably going to get mauled by the striperweb clique. but the girls wasn't attacked. it also stated she went to the basment and chose who she wanted to give oral to. i don't think she was scared or anything like that. she got a train pulled on her, plain and simple. 11 year olds are having sex now a days. they just start younger and younger.
Actually its just going back to how things used to be, but without the proper education of kids. It used to be that girls her age were getting married at 12. They were taught about sex, marraige, kids. Not that I think that kids should do so... but hey. Kids ARE sexually active at 11. If it gets proven that she WAS aware of what she was doing and that she wanted to, I wont bat a lash. I think the adult involved needs to be behind bars however... and that the rest of the kids, and they're all kids, need help. I think its a bit much to be as foaming at the mouth at those teenagers as some have been. I recall a thread on SW about the age of virginity loss amongst our forum goers, and 14/15 was listed enough. I am not, by any means, saying that what happened was right or good, but I think its being taken a bit far by some folks, here and elsewhere.
MishaBliss
09-09-2006, 06:47 PM
I dont even want to read the article because it will only piss me off but maybe I should before I post. They need to be in for life or shot for all I care. I would think A little girl will do what shes told, when shes surrounded by a bunch of men who may hurt or kill her if she doesnt listen,no matter her background. I can just imagine her fear and confusion. Poor baby.
They weren't 'a bunch of men'. There was one sick loser of a 40 year old. The rest were boys. Minors themselves.
Xiomara
09-09-2006, 07:36 PM
Oops... I meant 'boys'. What kind of parents do these kids have???
MishaBliss
09-10-2006, 05:21 AM
Trolls for parents
Fan_Dancer
09-10-2006, 01:05 PM
I think what occurred was rape but for those who disagree I have to ask a question. Don't you think there was at the minimum, acts of sexual exploitation of a minor going on it that basement?
At the very least I think everyone in that basement who was over the State age of consent should be punished by applicable laws.
sander8son
09-10-2006, 01:52 PM
I think what occurred was rape but for those who disagree I have to ask a question. Don't you think there was at the minimum, acts of sexual exploitation of a minor going on it that basement?
sure, the sexual exploitation of 16 minors by other minors. so no, not really.
**edit*** Thats in regards to the basement. As i've stated before there's no excuse for the 40 year old.
smartcookie
09-10-2006, 02:22 PM
At the age of eleven I wasn't even bleeding (that's menstruating for those of you who don't understand) yet.
Those of you who say this isn't a case of rape or asault are so fucked in the head...I don't care if I get points for it but y'all are so fucked.
sander8son
09-10-2006, 02:38 PM
think of the 15 boys she raped
Jenny
09-10-2006, 02:43 PM
Sandy. The article says that her mother is dead of AIDS, and that the child has been infected since birth. She obviously doesn't have a healthy home environment, and her parents are not "doing their job" in reference to educating her about sex.
As well, arguing that short of violent intervention there can be no force, particularly against an 11 year old girl shows a profound and deep misunderstanding of "coersion". It is very easy to coerce children into tolerating all sorts of abuse, including sexual. Most sexual assaults of children are of that nature - brothers, cousins, fathers and teachers who "convince" them that they have to/want to perform the acts. That is precisely why there are laws regarding statutory rape or sexual assault of a minor; and such laws usually account for some spread in age - that is culpability is increased as the age difference increases. At 15 and 11 - I'm sorry, but there is a marked power differential there. It further says that there were "males" - the ages we are given so far are 40, 17 and 15. None of these are of an age that we would understand even normatively as being outside an age-based power differential. She is described as being "distraught" so her consent would not seem to be freely and meaningfully given (again, in a normative understanding).
sander8son
09-10-2006, 02:50 PM
right jenny, that link was posted after my tirade on parrents in this country(though my beliefs that soccer moms are ruining the US still stands).
My main argument about the other 15 individuals was that we know nothign about them, therefor we can't [yet?] call them rapists solely because she was young as its possible that they are all younger, the same age or older than her. we just dont know. "male" means you have external genitals. a three week old with a penis is male, that doesn't mean he's an adult.
this girl was more a victem of her homelife than the incident that happened that night.
Jenny
09-10-2006, 02:54 PM
This is true. And if they turn out to be 13 or under their culpability will be vitiated accordingly, and counts of sexually assaulting or interfering with minors will be added to the 16 year old girl. However, the construction of the article and, indeed, the scenario, doesn't suggest that, and I have difficulty believing that you truly think that they are 13 or under. Like, do you actually believe that is a likely possibility, or are you just looking for reasons to vitiate blame?
I agree that her life seems quite tragic, I don't know if that lessens her status of victim from that particular incident though.
sander8son
09-10-2006, 03:01 PM
my guess is there are some 12/13 year olds, some 14-16 year olds in the mix. The main reason i harped on this is because everyone jumped to her cause because she was an 11 year old GIRL and since everyone else(but the 16 year old who she went to the house to dyke it out with) was MALE. You know me, i hate all the broads here who instantly equate male with evil.
notice nobody jumped up in arms that she coudlve potentially infected 15 boys with HIV without telling them about it. Its all about how the information is presented(or withheld as is always the case).
notice how folks on this site always jump to conclusions to vilify men and back up the woman. I tend to oppose that.
Vyanka
09-10-2006, 03:05 PM
At the age of eleven I wasn't even bleeding (that's menstruating for those of you who don't understand) yet.
Those of you who say this isn't a case of rape or asault are so fucked in the head...I don't care if I get points for it but y'all are so fucked.
Amen to that.
Paisley
09-10-2006, 03:08 PM
This is true. And if they turn out to be 13 or under their culpability will be vitiated accordingly, and counts of sexually assaulting or interfering with minors will be added to the 16 year old girl. However, the construction of the article and, indeed, the scenario, doesn't suggest that, and I have difficulty believing that you truly think that they are 13 or under. Like, do you actually believe that is a likely possibility, or are you just looking for reasons to vitiate blame?
I agree that her life seems quite tragic, I don't know if that lessens her status of victim from that particular incident though.
Exactly. Most of us (myself included) said that if there are people her age involved with this that they should get help. The 16 year old girl who orchestrated this event and the 40 year old man who participated put them in a position of getting a life killing illness. So far, 4 people have been charged and they are looking for more http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/15482194.htm also according to this article she was sexually assulted 5 years ago. I have volunteered at the rape crisis center in Cleveland and girls who are previously sexually assulted when they are younger are at a much higher risk of being sexually assulted later on in life. Or do you also think the previous sexual assault was ok because the accussed was only 14 and you probably also believe that 6 year olds can consent?
Paisley
09-10-2006, 03:28 PM
http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/news/nation/15476013.htm The story gets even sadder. If you really believe that this 11 year old girl could have the same mental judgement as an adult woman. You are just as bad as a rapist for condoning such actions, hence they still go on. I somehow feel like sander8son would have been like her father in the situation with the 14 year old boy when the girl was 6.
Jenny
09-10-2006, 03:33 PM
my guess is there are some 12/13 year olds, some 14-16 year olds in the mix. The main reason i harped on this is because everyone jumped to her cause because she was an 11 year old GIRL and since everyone else(but the 16 year old who she went to the house to dyke it out with) was MALE. You know me, i hate all the broads here who instantly equate male with evil.
I don't think anyone is doing that. I would be surprised if there were 12/13 year olds in the mix. Because 1) in most places no charges could be placed against them, and the article implies that that they are being sought for that purpose 2) because between a 15, 16 and 17 year old, I would wonder why they were palling around with 12 year olds. It is perfectly normal under the construction of the article to assume that the ages of the other participants were such that would make them culpable. It has nothing to do with assuming that men are evil; note that one of the key accused is female.
notice nobody jumped up in arms that she coudlve potentially infected 15 boys with HIV without telling them about it. Its all about how the information is presented(or withheld as is always the case).
I think that is because we see her as being coerced; I mean you wouldn't think that a woman who was violently raped as exposing her rapist to the virus. You have a really twisted notion that anything short of violent coersion isn't actual coersion.
tootsie
09-10-2006, 06:08 PM
so do you think she should be charged with murder knowing that she was hiv positive? i mean if you want to go that far with this, she just planted the virus in those boys. it's like a life sentence already
Fan_Dancer
09-10-2006, 06:44 PM
arguing that short of violent intervention there can be no force, particularly against an 11 year old girl shows a profound and deep misunderstanding of "coersion".
Thankyou for pointing that out to him, Jenny.
It is very disturbing to me that anyone could defend what occurred in that basement as an act of consent on the part of a 11 year old child. It is especially troublesome when someone defends it so vehemently as Sander8son has done here.
In addition to charges of rape against the adult and anyone over the age of consent who had sexual contact with this girl; I would also charge all the individuals (of either gender) who were present and over the State age of consent with counts of sexual exploitation of a minor for each and every minor child who took part and was not of legal age of consent.