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jenna2479
11-13-2006, 07:48 PM
Although I've given up the stage for bartending, I can't wait to visit this place once it opens. I never thought I'd see another club open in this part of the city. Good luck to everyone that's been hired.

precise212
11-13-2006, 09:24 PM
Ha-ha-ha! Emily u are sooooo funny! That was a good line! Unfortunately, bunch of girls actually deliver it for real...

Katherine
11-14-2006, 01:37 PM
I know it's premature to say this, and probably very foolish as well, but I'm really thinking that extras are going to be kept to a truly bare minimum. They happen in all clubs. Big city clubs no question. But I believe it'll be a lot less here than any other NYC club.

Yeah, that does sound foolish and naive, huh?

Emily
11-14-2006, 01:55 PM
the only way that extras can be avoided (or rather, vastly minimized) is if there are no private areas, management actually cares, and floor hosts can't be bought out.

Bridgette
11-14-2006, 02:30 PM
So, there's gonna be ANOTHER fancy-pants club in NYC to divide the upscale customer pie even further. I wonder how many it will take, to totally oversaturate that market, the same way it's been done in pretty much every other major city.
/cynicsm

Katharine, that totally sounds like a place I'd like to work. Too bad I'm all the way cross-country! Maybe I can just travel there sometimes, for a while....
/foolish daydreaming

;D

sxydancer
11-15-2006, 04:51 PM
No you"ve got me. "Whats a body sushi model"?? Could it be what I'm thinking it is??


I am Flash now, thinking of moving over

Katherine
11-15-2006, 10:22 PM
Ok. I swear I'll have to have Charlie pay me extra for all this club touting I'm doing here, I feel like a strip club infomercial.

I just strongly believe in it.

Sushi model- yes, it's what you're thinking. There is a private room next to the restaurant (It's big but can easily be divided into three smaller rooms). It's really the hardest thing to control in the club IMO. How many girls really want to lie there in their underwear getting poked with chopsticks??

(But, I'm a hypocrite, I can't wait to see it!)

Bridgette- If you do ever come to NY, you have a place to stay for a couple nights!! :)

(Now I'm the daydreamer- hehe, I only have ONE mattress... Hey Bridg, does a king size celebrity version tepur-pedic interest you??) ;)

Em- I agree with you. That's why I said brought to a bare minimum. There ARE private rooms. And the managment does seem to care (so far at least- pre opening), and it looks like the bouncers, floor hosts are going to be paid enough that they won't be promoting it...

We'll see soon. I'm excited!

And hey- All you people who pm'd me about it, again: GOOD LUCK!!!!

Melonie
11-16-2006, 02:00 AM
So, there's gonna be ANOTHER fancy-pants club in NYC to divide the upscale customer pie even further. I wonder how many it will take, to totally oversaturate that market, the same way it's been done in pretty much every other major city. /cynicsm

I hear you !!! Undoubtedly this club is trying to get opened up before Christmas in order to cash in on stockbroker bonus money !!! I agree that this club should do very well for a while, between end of year bonuses being spent and the 'new club' factor. However, I have my doubts about the long term outlook ... and particularly so if they're serious about enforcing a 'no extras' policy.

Eric Stoner
11-16-2006, 02:02 PM
Like many Man. "gown clubs" it will PROBABLY start off well assuming it's promoted properly.
And then, more likely than not, it will fade out. Too much competition; too many extras
available at too many places. I've been surprised lately by how available they REALLY are
and how in one way or another they have become the norm when they used to be the exception. You can get them at Scores & PEC- it will cost you big time but they are definitely there to be had with the right dancer for the right price. Most of the other Man.
clubs are even worse. All that being said, WHAT is going to enable Cheetah's to buck
this trend ? Are they going to cater to "conservative" customers who just want a tit & a beer ? "Vigilant" bouncers are just going to turn off the customers and the dancers. Assuming they are SERIOUS about this "no extras" policy it ought to be kept in mind that
this approach has been TRIED before. More than once and it has yet to work out. Time will
tell but I just don't see HOW they are going to survive unless thay recognize and make peace with the current realities.

kikiwiki
11-24-2006, 12:02 AM
News everybody. I got the call from Charlie. Cheetah isn't opening till January 8th.

Melonie
11-25-2006, 08:02 PM
^^^ OUCH ... you're going to miss out on all of that Wall St Christmas BONUS money !

Katherine
11-25-2006, 11:34 PM
I know!! That totally sucks! I've been SOO excited for this place to open already!! And now it'll be opening in the slowest time of year! Yuck. The first few weeks will not be a good guage of how this place will do. Not that the first few weeks ever are, regardless of the time of year...

kikiwiki
11-26-2006, 03:13 PM
See yall in Vegas!

Eric Stoner
11-27-2006, 09:16 AM
That is about the dumbest thing they could have possibly done & speaks volumes about how apparently naive & out of touch the owners and mgt. of this place are. Opening a strip club in January is just plain stupid- NO X-mas bonus $; NO out-of-towners plus lousy weather keeping sensible folk at home on stormy nights means the club will be a morgue discouraging the few dancers dumb enough to work there who will leave resulting in the few customers they DO manage to get NOT returning resulting in a rapid closure. I am sorry, but I have personally seen the aforesaid scenario played out over & over again when "amateurs" who think they know the "skin biz" try to start up their own clubs.History proves that the failures far outnumber the few successes. Breakout clubs are RARE to begin with and without a big cash reserve to carry them through until Spring this place just ain't gonna make it.

smartcookie
11-27-2006, 04:48 PM
I worked in i-banking for two years. Discussion of bonuses doesn't even begin until January.

kikiwiki
11-27-2006, 06:01 PM
I worked in i-banking for two years. Discussion of bonuses doesn't even begin until January.

I agree. I don't think the NYC season depends on bonuses. It's all about everyone entertaining everyone else by thanking them for a great year blah blah blah. There are so many X-mas parties and get togethers before everyone goes home for the holidays. That's why the SC's do so well. Then when thats over, people start thier diets for the new year and behave "well" at work so when bonus talk comes they are on thier game. They also spend the rest of the winter going to warm places. January always sucks in NYC. Head to Vegas or Miami where the real money goes for that month or two.

Eric Stoner
11-28-2006, 07:53 AM
Wall Street bonuses are Calculated in DECEMBER & distributed either before or shortly after X-mas.Most other companies & firms distribute their bonuses BEFORE X-mas. Secondly, the credit card bills for the Holiday shopping start rolling in January and January 15 is a quarterly Estimated Income Tax Day for NYS & UncleSam and it's when NYC has a number of business taxes due. Opening a club in January= MORONIC !
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Bridgette
11-28-2006, 01:34 PM
Bridgette- If you do ever come to NY, you have a place to stay for a couple nights!! :)

(Now I'm the daydreamer- hehe, I only have ONE mattress... Hey Bridg, does a king size celebrity version tepur-pedic interest you??) ;)
Hehe. Sure does ;D I lovelovelove the tempurpedic mattresses! I'll be sure to bring a mouthguard so my nighttime teeth grinding doesn't keep you awake :D

Emily
11-28-2006, 01:45 PM
Hehe. Sure does ;D I lovelovelove the tempurpedic mattresses! I'll be sure to bring a mouthguard so my nighttime teeth grinding doesn't keep you awake :D

you just ruined the boner that all the junkies got from reading Katherine's post

Bridgette
11-29-2006, 04:00 AM
LOL!! Sorry boys. I wasn't thinking of the boners, I was too busy thinking of sleeping with Katharine ;D

Chrissy68
11-29-2006, 04:15 AM
Wall Street bonuses are Calculated in DECEMBER & distributed either before or shortly after X-mas.Most other companies & firms distribute their bonuses BEFORE X-mas. Secondly, the credit card bills for the Holiday shopping start rolling in January and January 15 is a quarterly Estimated Income Tax Day for NYS & UncleSam and it's when NYC has a number of business taxes due. Opening a club in January= MORONIC !
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i disagree 100%. my club (in philly) opened in january last year and it was fantastic until summer hit. and then it fell into the typical philly pattern. so, i dont really think your points are all too valid when it comes from parting a fool with his money. if they want to be parted in a SC, it will happen no matter if he just got his cred card statement that day. and fyi, jan 15 is estimated for ALL states not just nys. still, wont affect this at all.

and i emailed the club email, sent a head shot, want to work the opening i think. any tips katherine? ooh, woudl this mean i'd get to see you again bridgette :)

Bridgette
11-29-2006, 04:54 AM
I think I'd probably prefer to give the Philly club another try. I just know I could make money there, and it'd be hella less expensive travelling there. I just don't wanna sleep in the living room of the condo with a gaggle of strippers, but also feel $100+ a night for a room is too much to pay for a work trip....
Are there any remotely decent hotels in the area with better rates??

Eric Stoner
11-29-2006, 10:55 AM
Chrissy- !st of all- I know the business & the strip club scene in NYC. Unlike Philly, NYC is glutted with "gown clubs" and the 3 industry leaders are all well established-Scores, PEC & Hustler. It's a finite market. There are only so many high rollers to go around (unless they have some secret plan to jet them in from Abu Dhabi & Hong Kong ). Secondly, much more than Philly, the entertainment
scene in NYC IS Wall Street driven and opening AFTER the big fat bonuses have been distributed & spent is just not smart imho.January is historically SLOW in the NYC skin biz- many a gal heads down to Florida or the Carib ( St. Maarten espec. )
to make $. And I'm sorry, but when you're talking about guys disposing of their disposable income ( with the kind assistance of their local dancers) then things like Credit Card Statements and Tax Bill due dates matter very much indeed.And January is a notorious "cash crunch month". Why do you think the car dealers all try to out-do each other with promos & come ons in JANUARY ? Because it's their slowest month of the year.

Katherine
11-29-2006, 09:56 PM
I like coming back to this post seeing you're interested in my mattress Bridgette... ROFLMAO!!!!

Chrissy, follow up on the phone. Ask for Charlie. PM me for my name if you want to mention it. He has no idea I'm katherine here unless he's read this post...

Eric Stoner- Charlie's fully aware it's not a good time to open. He's not necessarily an ametuer at this and planned on cashing in on NY's Nov/Dec greatness. Unfortunately, setting up the club has taken lots longer than expected. He's been working on the club for so long that he's going to open it as soon as he can, even if it's a bad time. It's better than waiting to open with the club all set up...

Oh well. It's pretty shitty for all involved.

(BTW, I'm taking the liberties to assume everything I said above based on my knowledge. It makes sense in my head, but I could be making it all up to make myself feel better). :)

Chrissy68
11-30-2006, 01:07 AM
I think I'd probably prefer to give the Philly club another try. I just know I could make money there, and it'd be hella less expensive travelling there. I just don't wanna sleep in the living room of the condo with a gaggle of strippers, but also feel $100+ a night for a room is too much to pay for a work trip....
Are there any remotely decent hotels in the area with better rates??

bridgette i think you are safe :)
you can stay in my guest room for a low rate of ... eh i was trying to be creative but nothign comes to mind. really, tho, i understand. who wants to stay in that type of environment? i just dont work every night. so if it's a night im not working, we can arrange for cab transportation.

Bridgette
11-30-2006, 03:13 AM
Hehe. I met a Philly boy at work tonight and had a good time with him ;D I just like east coasters so much f'in better than west. I don't fit in over here at all :( Anyway, Philly boy really made me wanna go there again. I did well at the crappy little dive in Conshohocken so dammit I'm sure I can do well at a nicer place ;D

I have itchy feet!!! Must. Travel!

Heee. So now I can go to NY and stay with Katherine, and then Philly and stay with Chrissy! Oh and maybe I can meet Root Beer :P Fucken SWEET!! We can make lots of naughty stories. HAHA!!
**runs off to check some airfare**

Eric Stoner
11-30-2006, 10:48 AM
Katherine-starting up & opening a club is never easy & delays of all kinds have a way of popping up.I know-I've been directly involved in 2 clubs over the yrs. If, IF Charlie has a large enough cash reserve & IF he can afford to effectively write off January, then he might certainly see things through. BUT, I go back to my original skepticism generated question-What is there going to be about Cheetah's that will attract the high-rollers necessary for success ? What will set them apart from Scores,PEC or Hustler ? The "no-extras" policy ? Talk about your "faith based initiatives".

smartcookie
11-30-2006, 01:49 PM
Doesn't Eric_Stoner sound remarkably like The_Kid?

The odds aren't in Cheetah's favor...but one never knows. I believe that Penthouse opened at a crappy time of year back in 2003.

seraya
11-30-2006, 02:03 PM
Doesn't Eric_Stoner sound remarkably like The_Kid?

I knew I recoginzed that style of writing :D


Seraya.

Eric Stoner
11-30-2006, 02:49 PM
Who ????

Eric Stoner
12-01-2006, 09:24 AM
Smart-Cookie- PEC opened in late May/early June back in 2003.The first few months were slow. Many a night had as many dancers as customers. A few girls banked with a few high-rollers. It started picking up after Labor Day helped in part by an influx of top dancers from other clubs,especially Scores, who took their regulars with them.PEC benefitted from a lot of positive wom from dancers and customers because it was more friendly than Scores, the prices while high were more reasonable and the house fees and tip-outs were substantially lower.There were also no "horror stories" about the place for either dancers or customers.Still aren't any afaik. But, it took MONTHS for PEC to hit its stride. At best, they broke even for the entire Summer of '03 and more likely lost money.
Does anyone out there have a "real world" conception of how much money it takes to open and run a high class, top-notch club ? The monthly electric bill alone can be $10,000 or more. Clubs use a lot of juice and they have to pay for it at a commercial rate more than twice the residential rate. They have big fridges running 24/7/365 plus the lights, the T.V.'s, the sound system etc.etc. Add in all the labor costs, some of whom have to be "on the books", the food, the liquor, the linen,valet parking,taxes(commercial property taxes,even with abatements are higher than residential) etc.etc. and you're looking at a huge monthly nut that run into $ Millions.
For practical reasons alone, I am skeptical about Cheetah's prospects. I'd love to be wrong. But I think the present reality is that the day of high class, low mileage clubs like the old Stringfellows, 20/20, Goldfingers ( the pre-Rudy version) etc. is long over. Maybe Cheetah's can bring it back. We'll have to see.

Katherine
12-01-2006, 07:46 PM
Well, for those of us gals here in NYC, it can't hurt us to hope for the best with it!

Eric Stoner
12-04-2006, 11:38 AM
Katherine- Here is the essential problem or quandary for a club owner in Manhattan these days. A high class club costs a lot of money to build; to start up and to run. To do it right, you could be talking about an initial investment of $5 to 10 million depending on how extensive a renovation/set up is involved. Could even be a lot more if we're talking about a larger, more plush kind of place. Then you have to run the place with all the costs & expenses I posted plus a lot more. The ONLY way to recoup that kind of expense; to compete; to survive is to draw high-rollers-guys who will drop $ thousands in one night. PEC, Scores and to a lesser extent Hustler have them locked up. The only reason they'll go to Cheetah instead is for something better= more for their money; a "friendlier" envirionment than Scores ( not hard to do afaic); lower prices than PEC; WHATEVER ! And that's what no one has yet been able to point to- the "whatever" about Cheetah
that will draw such customers. When Stringfellow's was doing their "high-class low mileage" thing back in the early 90's they had no real competition.When Scores came along they gave even less for the dollar but there was NO PEC; no Hustler; no VIP & Flashdancers always catered to a less well-heeled crowd & still does.
So, by all means "hope for the best" but if I were dancing I wouldn't burn any bridges behind me and I wouldn't let wishes father my thoughts about business.

SultryTemptress
12-08-2006, 02:14 PM
Katherine- Here is the essential problem or quandary for a club owner in Manhattan these days. A high class club costs a lot of money to build; to start up and to run. To do it right, you could be talking about an initial investment of $5 to 10 million depending on how extensive a renovation/set up is involved. Could even be a lot more if we're talking about a larger, more plush kind of place. Then you have to run the place with all the costs & expenses I posted plus a lot more. The ONLY way to recoup that kind of expense; to compete; to survive is to draw high-rollers-guys who will drop $ thousands in one night. PEC, Scores and to a lesser extent Hustler have them locked up. The only reason they'll go to Cheetah instead is for something better= more for their money; a "friendlier" envirionment than Scores ( not hard to do afaic); lower prices than PEC; WHATEVER ! And that's what no one has yet been able to point to- the "whatever" about Cheetah
that will draw such customers. When Stringfellow's was doing their "high-class low mileage" thing back in the early 90's they had no real competition.When Scores came along they gave even less for the dollar but there was NO PEC; no Hustler; no VIP & Flashdancers always catered to a less well-heeled crowd & still does.
So, by all means "hope for the best" but if I were dancing I wouldn't burn any bridges behind me and I wouldn't let wishes father my thoughts about business.
I do agree to some extent but the business isn't what it use to be and the economy isn't all that great either. There are too many strip clubs in NY now and way too many girls dancing and way too much extra, however I'm happy that there's a new upscale club opening up. I did visit Cheetah and think it's very nice and unique. Charlie says it's between PEC and Hustlers but I think it stands in a class by itself because all three clubs has different layouts and what's different about this place is the body sushi room which no other club in Manhattan has so this would be the attraction and curiosity for customers and dancers as well. It's also in a great location, however will attract a lot of blue colars which is okay if they get plenty table dances. What I don't like is those little bump & Grind booths like they have at Hustler where Cheetah intends to charge $130 for ten minutes split $60 for dancer and $70 to club... at Hustler the for 10 minutes $120 split $90 to dancer and $30 to club, this I find more fair. They would never be able to compete with Hustler at all and no dancer will put up with that unless she's no longer able to work at Hustler, Scores and Penthouse. Scores is over period because of all the lawsuits and mainly because American Express drop them and has a lwsuit against them filed November 2005 http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1021051scores1.html

SultryTemptress
12-08-2006, 02:20 PM
:P Got to un now, wll be back wth moe nfomaton

Eric Stoner
12-11-2006, 11:14 AM
If you think handing over more than half of the private dance fee is fair; If you think high-rollers will be excited by eating sushi off of female bodies ( I think this might be aimed at Japanese tourists) then by all means check out Cheetah.

KaylaQT
12-13-2006, 03:57 PM
Found out 2 days ago that the club won't be opening until the end of January.

Eric Stoner
12-14-2006, 08:39 AM
A later opening might actually help more than hurt.

Sophia_Starina
12-14-2006, 12:39 PM
A later opening might actually help more than hurt.



Why is that???

Eric Stoner
12-14-2006, 12:52 PM
January tends to be slow in NYC. People go to Fla. or the Caribbean. They are partied out after the Holidays. They have taxes to pay on Jan.15. Things start to pick up again in Feb.

nychaos99
12-14-2006, 02:54 PM
Doesn't Eric_Stoner sound remarkably like The_Kid?



Wow. You are SO right! He's b-aaaack!

Melonie
12-15-2006, 05:05 AM
A later opening might actually help more than hurt.

no offense, but don't you read the papers ? Goldman Sachs and the other major financial houses are about to pay Christmas bonuses to thousands of stockbrokers / attorneys / managers that will probably exceed 1 million dollars EACH ! The 'average' christmas bonus, counting secretaries and janitors, will be will into the six figure range. Yeah, great idea not to open until January, when the bonus money has already been spent/ invested and estimated taxes are due !

Eric Stoner
12-15-2006, 08:23 AM
Melonie- Yes and No. Yes the big bonuses get distributed in January but Wall Streeters are only one part of the market. And their spending is not limited to January.
Assuming Cheetah advertises, promotes and markets itself properly it will probably benefit from its location and the novelty factor of the sushi thing.After the novelty wears off is when they are going to have to struggle to attract and hold the high rollers and I just don't see it happening.

Elizabeth729
12-21-2006, 05:08 PM
Um, Eric_Stoner, have you ever opened a club in Manhattan? You seem to know an awful lot for someone who has only opened two clubs in the very vague "last few years". And for all we know, you could have opened clubs in backwater Kansas or something.

No offense to the Kansas ladies out there.

Also, and this is just my personal rant, I get really tired of guys telling me how the business is/will be/won't be. My general experience is that the more a guy tries to show off how much he knows about the industry, the less he knows. Sort of like when a guy tells me that he doesn't get dances because, you know, he used to date a stripper and knows the industry. If you know so much about the industry why are you wasting my time?

Anyway, cheers to Melonie who I have been reading on this board for quite awhile and always seems to have intelligent things to say. I live in NYC and I think Cheetah could do quite well here. AND having worked in NYC, I can say that her comments about the bonuses are on target. "Bonus season" usually dries up right around mid Feb.

Eric Stoner
12-22-2006, 10:05 AM
Elizabeth- You are free to take my posts for whatever you thin they are worth and so is everyone else. Nobody can predict with certainty how a particular club is going to do in the future. As you may know, there are too many variables and vagaries for anyone to do that.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, I DO have experience with the skin biz.Direct, first hand experience in running a club here in NYC. I've probably dated more dancers than you know. (Sadly, I'm no longer young, or a "yoot" to use the local NYC vernacular.) I've seen clubs come and go.I've seen what works and what does not. I've seen them ( and the dancers) make $ ; sometimes BIG $$$ and I've seen them go belly up. I am still in touch with the NYC scene both directly from my own personal observations and from my own network of dancers with whom I am friends with. For instance, I REFUSE to go to Scores for a number of reasons but I know several ladies who dance there and one of the bouncers also works for me.
I DO get dances but I refuse to be played. I still go to PEC-usually to entertain clients. Once in a while I go to Hustler to catch up with dancer friends that work there and yes, I usually get a few dances. I used to be a regular at the old Stringfellows and regret its decline to what it now is. Same for the old Goldfingers in Queens. I am also active in NJ but I couldn't tell you beans about Rockland,Westchester or Conn which is why I never post about such places btw.

As for Cheetah- I wish them well. I actually hope they make a go of it. It might be a fine place to entertain clients. All I've done is voice my opinion based on years of experience working in and going to clubs. Based on what I have heard and some of what has been posted here, I am not optimistic about their prospects. It would have been better for their chances to have opened already and gotten a share of the big Wall St. bonuses . They didn't. It's their loss. They will be competing against Scores and PEC afaik. Perhaps YOU can tell us just HOW they plan to do so. I've posted this question a number of times in varying ways and to date No One has been able to articulate ANYTHING about the place that is sure to draw high-rollers. And if they can't or won't do so, then they'll be competing with Flashdancers and all the other second-tier Manhattan clubs which would not necessarily be a bad thing.

Oh, and I'm sorry that some guys are savvy and don't want to buy "air". We can agree that it's their choice, can't we ? If I were you I'd either smile and move on OR say something like: "Well then you know what it's all about. So what's wrong with you indulging a fantasy once in a while ? " Just a thought.

Ebony
12-22-2006, 11:35 AM
Wow. You are SO right! He's b-aaaack!

Yeah with the above post it definitly sounds like him. It seems the old stripperweb is a back. Are we all going to start fighting again }:D

nychaos99
12-22-2006, 12:07 PM
^^^I agree. It's definitely him.

Bring on the 'jerry springer' forum!

Eric Stoner
12-22-2006, 12:15 PM
Sorry girls. Haven't a clue and I'm not into mud-wrestling anyway.
Happy Holidays.

SultryTemptress
12-27-2006, 11:16 AM
Um, Eric_Stoner, have you ever opened a club in Manhattan? You seem to know an awful lot for someone who has only opened two clubs in the very vague "last few years". And for all we know, you could have opened clubs in backwater Kansas or something.

No offense to the Kansas ladies out there.

Also, and this is just my personal rant, I get really tired of guys telling me how the business is/will be/won't be. My general experience is that the more a guy tries to show off how much he knows about the industry, the less he knows. Sort of like when a guy tells me that he doesn't get dances because, you know, he used to date a stripper and knows the industry. If you know so much about the industry why are you wasting my time?

Eric_Stoner, I've read in recent threads where you state that there is little extras at Penthouse and a lot at Hustler, however I do work at both clubs and I've totally witnesses intercourse without a condom at Penthouse and witness a blowjob at Hustler without a condom and in both clubs this took place in the private rooms. There are cameras all over Hustler club and in every private room which I point out to the dancer who answered it doesn't matter nobody watches it or cares... I do think Chris Murray and Anthony sees it but it's okay with certain girls as long as they get blow-jobs and some $$$ cash... the same goes for Penthouse. The dancer who got fucked in front of everyone didn't even know me but didn't care and the other dancer snort coke with her guy. I was so shocked and entertained at the same time it was unbelievable. The funny thing was I was making more money than the other girls just dancing and talking with my guy who did try to eat my pussy but I didn't let him. I just realize this has been going on for for a long time but had to see it to believe it because I'm a dancer who's never done such things and always said it never happened in any of the clubs I worked at and thought it was just the 5 same girls hooked up by the host. I would see girls get fired for bullshit but this was something else. There are hard/smart working girls who abide by the rules and make their money clean but they are also the first one's to get in trouble if they're not kissing Terrence ass and greasing his palm $$$. The owners don't care how the money comes in as long as it comes in period. As far as Cheetah's goes only time will tell. They seem to be having a lot of bad luck including a fire in the dressing room. Goodluck to all the dancers world wide, I wish you a safe and happy holiday and only the best for 2007! CHEERS

Eric Stoner
12-27-2006, 01:38 PM
SULTRY- I'm sorry but I don't think I get your point or why this was addressed to me. When PEC started extras were few and far between. Now they are much more common. With the right dancer for the right price you can pretty much get anything you want. I saw it 1st hand awhile back. I was protecting a high-roller ( I don't give a damn anymore since I'm selling my company. ) He, his buddy,my partner and I
all went into the VIP and the high roller and his pal were made VERY HAPPY !! It cost him thousands. I honestly don't know what the total damage was. Supposedly the same stuff is available at Hustler & Scores. So my dancer pals tell me. It's DEFINITELY available at VIP.
My dancer pals tell me that so long as you are discreet ; don't cause problems; are a BIG earner and pay the proper respect to the House Mom at PEC you can pretty much do what you want. At Scores you DEFINITELY have to grease the hosts/bouncers. I never bothered asking how it works at Hustler and haven't been told. Same thing for VIP. With all due respect to you gals out there in dancer land, I do not waste my time & $ with Man. gown club vip/Champagne Rooms. If I were so inclined I could probably get more for less with an escort in a comfy hotel room. But that's just me. To each his or her own. Live and let live.Que sera,sera. That's my philosophy about this stuff.
The bottom line is that afaik extras have become an integral part of the Manhattan strip club scene. Unless they are complete morons, the owners of these places KNOW what is really going on in their VIP rooms and essentially don't care as long as the money rolls in. I have to admit I was surprised to hear about all the drug use going on; mostly coke and "E". That's a real ticking time bomb imho and sooner or later some joint is going to get nailed Big Time !

As far as Cheetah itself is concerned I wish them the very best. I think they'll need it.