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doc-catfish
09-11-2006, 09:52 AM
Guys don't get turned on by a slow sensual dance. They want sexual stimulation from that dance
Did someone write a rule that says you can't have both? /:O
And I have to say, a slower more sensual grind will get the blood rushing downstairs a hell of a lot faster than the jackhammer treatment will.
Cally
09-11-2006, 09:58 AM
Many women who "know" they are 9's and 10's can be conceited, and expect every guy in the room to approach them instead of realizing that the dancer is SUPPOSED to initiate the conversation with the customer.
Ahaha you worded this so much more tastfully.. thats what I was trying to say. From working in the clubs and watching other girls i have noticed the better looking the girl, the less the contact. Also I find the hotter girls dont seem to want to talk to guys, they expect the guys to come to them and talk. They figure that guys should be falling over themselves to get to them. This isnt always the case(im covering my ass here) but I find this happens a lot. Another thing... a girl on the guys lap acting all robotic and not really giving a fuck will make a difference in sales. At least PRETEND you are into the dance and turned on by the guy... it will make a huge difference.
Okay im done my rambling thoughts..
Oh one more thing... a splurge on McDonalds once n awhile isnt a bad thing, as long as its not a consistant thing.. but god McDonalds is my weakness... only their fries though, I wont touch anything else from there hehe.. and OMG WENDYS SALADS!! Soooooooo good!!!
Cally
09-11-2006, 10:00 AM
Did someone write a rule that says you can't have both? /:O
And I have to say, a slower more sensual grind will get the blood rushing downstairs a hell of a lot faster than the jackhammer treatment will.
Wait.. you mean my ass ISNT a jackhammer? FUCK!! What was I thinking!!
So would you rather a girl on your lap grinding slowly.. her face in your neck breathing in your ear and the ocasional light nibble on your neck...
Or a girl who just kinda robotically grinding while shes in la la land?
azcustomer
09-11-2006, 10:05 AM
Az customer, guys like you are in the minority. And every guy is not like Mr. Punk either who is looking to get laid in the club, but I would say 2/3 of strip club patrons who buy dances want sexual stimulation from a dance and they want two way contact. This does not make the guys all rude and obnoxious, just desirous of a rise in their Levis from their dances.
Hey, I like a rise in my Levis (nice rap Tina!) just like the next guy. Dancers are good at making us think they dig us, I'm just one of those guys who likes to think it's something I'm doing/saying that is turning her on. And of course, it's nice when the dancer acknowledges the rise and takes it up a notch.;D
xdamage
09-11-2006, 11:24 AM
From working in the clubs and watching other girls i have noticed the better looking the girl, the less the contact. Also I find the hotter girls dont seem to want to talk to guys, they expect the guys to come to them and talk. They figure that guys should be falling over themselves to get to them. This isnt always the case(im covering my ass here) but I find this happens a lot.
Sure, just another reminder that the majority of strippers get no pleasure out of lapdancing. If a girl is hot enough and can make what she needs to make while keeping the contact low, good for her. Maybe she worked hard to look so good, or maybe she has a good plastic surgeon, or maybe she was genetically lucky, or some mix of, but when it comes to what the other girls have to do (or want to do) to make their money? I don't know. It might just be an extension of her conceitedness to look down on the other girls who aren't quite so attractive and think of them as skanks and hos. Of course it's never simple since people can do things to improve their looks, such as working out more and eating less, which reminds me...
Oh one more thing... a splurge on McDonalds once n awhile isnt a bad thing, as long as its not a consistant thing
Of course not. It's not the one burger or bag of fries that makes you look like a Big Mac. But I guess if someone is really struggling with this temptation, absolute abstenance for a while may be needed until they get it under control.
Bridgette
09-11-2006, 02:39 PM
I would disagree that the better looking girls offer less contact or that the uglier ones offer more as a rule. Totally disagree. It depends more on her own sense of morality, personality, sexual tendencies, etc, than on her looks. I have seen ugly chics do low mileage and I've seen hot ones do high mileage. This myth that the hot ones are stuck up prude bitches and the uglier ones are the friendly sluts is just that - a myth.
I'm not saying that guys want their meat ground up like hamburger on high speed. I'm just saying that the majority want grinding full contact dances over a so called sensual "tease" dance with limited contact.
All grinding is not done at jackhammer speed, is it?
Cally
09-11-2006, 04:26 PM
I would disagree that the better looking girls offer less contact or that the uglier ones offer more as a rule. Totally disagree. It depends more on her own sense of morality, personality, sexual tendencies, etc, than on her looks. I have seen ugly chics do low mileage and I've seen hot ones do high mileage. This myth that the hot ones are stuck up prude bitches and the uglier ones are the friendly sluts is just that - a myth.
Im not going to disagree with you but from what i've seen in my short time in the buisness(notice I say short.. just over a year so I still have a lot to see and learn) it seems the hotter girls are more prudish(NOT all... just a majority)... at least in Toronto.. . I realise you cant classify anyone into any catagory because everyone is different. This is like saying all french people eat frogs or all Italians eat only pasta. Its sterotyping. And yes I do realise I made my posts seem that way, sorry.
I should stop posting cuz im eating my words and making no sense lol.
azcustomer
09-11-2006, 05:18 PM
I would disagree that the better looking girls offer less contact or that the uglier ones offer more as a rule. Totally disagree. It depends more on her own sense of morality, personality, sexual tendencies, etc, than on her looks. I have seen ugly chics do low mileage and I've seen hot ones do high mileage. This myth that the hot ones are stuck up prude bitches and the uglier ones are the friendly sluts is just that - a myth.
I agree. However, a sign that they offer less contact is if they are all done up and are continually checking themselves in the mirror. The effortlessly beautiful ones are on par with the aforementioned skanks (I prefer 'less perfect' myself).
If she starts the conversation with her grooming ritual, or where she gets her hair and nails done, that's usually a sign that you're in for an air dance.
Then again, there have been a few that have suprised me. I still couldn't fully enjoy the dance because I found myself just wondering in amazement on how long they took to get ready for work.
Bridgette
09-11-2006, 06:36 PM
I can't figure this notion of being turned off or "distracted" by a girl who actually takes time to make herself look good. Some of us like to make ourselves look good because that helps us sell - and has nothing to do with how good a dance we'll do. Geez. This is the same thing as saying the hot ones don't do good dances.
Since when does a girl's beauty regimen have any correlation to her prudishness? Or lack of? Cuz I'm here to tell ya, there ain't no such thing as an "effortlessly beautiful" stripper :P I'm thinking this is more in the custy's head than anything else.
This is just as annoying to us chics as it is to you guys when we say shit like "old custies are pervs and a pain in the ass" or "abc custies are too xyz for me to deal with".
mr_punk
09-11-2006, 07:45 PM
I'm just saying that the majority want grinding full contact dances over a so called sensual "tease" dance with limited contact. All grinding is not done at jackhammer speed, is it?no. whether it's slow or fast and lasts from 30 second to 3 minutes. in any case, it's still dick rubbing. this is just another era...the mileage era. And, it's truly a golden age.
If she starts the conversation with her grooming ritual, or where she gets her hair and nails done, that's usually a sign that you're in for an air dance.really? usually, i just see it as a sign that she's a chatty cathy and focus my attention on her cleavage. things aren't always what they appear to be in a sc. i've had hot, seemingly, uptight strippers tell me to my face, "i don't do anything illegal" or "i don't that (insert sex act) with customers" and the exact opposite occurs....not that there's anything wrong with that.
well, that's true for me. LD are a contact sport. if was actually interested in sensuality or the appreciation of dance as art. i wouldn't go to a sc.
which is one reason why 9's and 10's wind up carrying condoms just like the ugly skanks....not that i find anything wrong with that.
I live in the conservative midwest and find it more difficult to "play" with the really attractive strippers. I havent found them to be condom carrying dancers at all. Its not impossible to get down to business ...it just takes a lot more time, effort and money. And, for the most part, it eventually has to be handled OTC rather than ITC.
Back on topic...the OP may have a point, I dunno. Maybe there are guys who will do nasty things with nasty looking girls at places other than truck stops. But considering the OP's opening statement, I think she may view just about any other stripper who is slightly less attractive/in shape than her and, god forbid, makes more money than her, as a skank.
FBR
FourWinns
09-13-2006, 07:43 PM
... just got home from a chinese dinner... i like to try skanks like i try unusual items at the super buffet - some are delicious! - you never know til you try them.
Corina
09-21-2006, 10:52 PM
I spend time and effort keeping my mind and body healthy...hit the gym, eat right, and make sure I look my best when I am on the floor.
I sit at the bar for a moment to check out the situation in the room...and I see the worst looking girls dragging guys into the friction. I often ask myself, "Why the hell do you want to see that girl half naked grinding on you?" Don't tell me they have a good sales technique, because most of them are so fucked up I wonder how they are still standing.
So, please tell me, the girl whose opening line is, "I love to suck cock" or the one with the messed up teeth (I know you have enough money to fix them)....or the one who could stand to lose a good 30 to 40 pounds...what the hell do men find attractive about them?
I am especially curious about the ones whose asses look like plastic bags filled with cottage cheese. All I can say is, ugh. :P
Sunnie,
I so get you! I am going through the same thing. I'm not perfect but I am thin, toned, healthy, great teeth and hair and clean, well thought out outfits and I am friendly ;D So.....wtf????
xdamage
09-22-2006, 06:01 AM
There is a certain irony in this thread. You know the simplistic generalization that men are only attracted to looks, yet when confronted with the option to choose any woman they want for the same price, many don't always choose the "best looking" (whatever your definition happens to be of that) woman. Maybe what attracts men is more complex then the generalization. If it wasn't so, there would be a lot of women on this planet that would never find mates, yet they do. Hmmm.
Katrine
09-22-2006, 10:25 AM
There is a certain irony in this thread. You know the simplistic generalization that men are only attracted to looks, yet when confronted with the option to choose any woman they want for the same price, many don't always choose the "best looking" (whatever your definition happens to be of that) woman. Maybe what attracts men is more complex then the generalization. If it wasn't so, there would be a lot of women on this planet that would never find mates, yet they do. Hmmm.
So true. I know lots of unattractive girls in happy relationships with seemingly shallow men. They get along and like each other. Me, I'm fucking hot, and can't seem to make anything stick. Of course, I'm fucking insane, that might have something to do with it....
Jenny
09-22-2006, 10:33 AM
I'm not sure "irony" is the word for generalizing "men like sluts" over "men like hot girls". I mean, at least for me, that wouldn't be an ENTIRELY unexpected result.
yoda57us
09-22-2006, 03:02 PM
So true. I know lots of unattractive girls in happy relationships with seemingly shallow men. They get along and like each other. Me, I'm fucking hot, and can't seem to make anything stick. Of course, I'm fucking insane, that might have something to do with it....
Well, yes Kat you are fucking hot...A catch and a half for any guy that can handle you.;)
How well do those shallow guys and unattractive girls really get along? I think it's more likeley that, at least in some cases, both parties have settled for something less than there ideal choice. You've never struck me as the type of woman who would "settle" for anything. That's a good thing by the way...
xdamage
09-22-2006, 08:10 PM
I'm not sure "irony" is the word for generalizing "men like sluts" over "men like hot girls". I mean, at least for me, that wouldn't be an ENTIRELY unexpected result.
I don't know why that assumption keeps coming up. Just because they are not the hottest, doesn't mean they are "sluts". And it doesn't seem to be the customers who keep saying this, but rather the dancers (i.e., if she is not super hot but has customers, it must be because she is slut, couldn't possibly be because she is a lot more fun personality wise).
xdamage
09-22-2006, 08:20 PM
So true. I know lots of unattractive girls in happy relationships with seemingly shallow men. They get along and like each other.
I also know lots of very smart and sucessful guys who are married to women that I find to be very unattractive, physically, and personality wise, but it works for them. They are seemingly happy and have remained married for a long time. I'm also fairly sure that the majority of men, at least the one's I know, choose their long term gfs/wives based on more then looks. I'm not saying it's not a factor, but they are more then willing to trade off some hotness for personality traits.
Me, I'm fucking hot, and can't seem to make anything stick. Of course, I'm fucking insane, that might have something to do with it....
You come across as completely sane on the forums. Besideds you can't be. The truly insane people think they are just fine ;)
I like a hot woman who is slightly slutty but gives me the impression that she doesnt give it out cart blanche. I dont like a dancer who is so hot she is a defacto prima donna nor do I want a club coochie that is dripping from the last hours fun. The gray area in between is where I prefer to hang out.
FBR
xdamage
09-22-2006, 08:28 PM
I like a hot woman who is slightly slutty but gives me the impression that she doesnt give it out cart blanche. I dont like a dancer who is so hot she is a defacto prima donna nor do I want a club coochie that is dripping from the last hours fun. The gray area in between is where I prefer to hang out.
FBR
Pretty much where I stand too on most SC trips. I've indulged a bit in both extremes, but the middle ground you describe is how I spend most of my money.
Jenny
09-22-2006, 08:30 PM
Okay, a couple of things - the title of the thread IS, after all, "Why do men like skanks?" I mean, "slut" is no so far removed. So, really, it is not that I'm saying that every non-hot girl is a slut as much as staying on the dichotomy set up in the thread. Second - am I remembering incorrectly? Aren't you guys usually the ones blasting the pinkies for supposedly telling girls that they don't need to be hot? For telling them that personality and charm may count for more than looks? So, on a completely non-sarcastic level obviously many of us (me included) have ALWAYS thought that what attracted men was more complex than simple looks. You guys are usually the advocates for the opposite.
Third - this is actually kind of funny, because that hits on my personal ego problem. I have no problem believing that a guy would prefer me to a "hot girl" because I'm so much more fun, and amusing and blah, blah, blah. I also get why guys prefer "hot girls" to me. But... if they prefer a girl who I have decided is not as hot as me... well, that just makes no sense because NO WAY anyone else could possibly be as "blah, blah, blah" as me. So, obviously THOSE girls HAVE to be skanks.
Jenny...I imagine most of us guys, after reading your post, are wondering what the fuck you are talkiing about. Your hotness quotient is well established here...both in terms of brains and looks (I say looks from a recollection from another member. Ive never met you unfortunately. )
FBR
xdamage
09-22-2006, 10:16 PM
Second - am I remembering incorrectly? Aren't you guys usually the ones blasting the pinkies for supposedly telling girls that they don't need to be hot? For telling them that personality and charm may count for more than looks? So, on a completely non-sarcastic level obviously many of us (me included) have ALWAYS thought that what attracted men was more complex than simple looks. You guys are usually the advocates for the opposite.
I really don't think any of the guys are make absolute statements. They are making relative ones.
In the business you are in, if you want to maximize your $$s, then you really should work on both, looks and personality. Can one make up for one or the other? Sure. But I'm sure you agree they are also not mutually exclusive. Some guys are going to buy only based on looks. Some only based personality. But putting aside the extremes, many customers will be in the middle looking for a balance of personality and looks. If he can get both great, if not he will make some trade offs.
Maybe the pinkies are telling girls that don't have the looks "You go girl, all you need is personality!" While the blues are saying something more moderate like, you really need some of both. And if you don't have the looks because of things you can change, you should work on changing them (e.g., lose some weight, tone up, change the hair, etc.,)
As far as what is skanky, it's relative subjective thing. The "skanks" in clubs are often not really bad looking girls. They aren't model material, but often as compared with other girls a guy might meet outside the club they are at least average to pretty good looking. Certainly good enough looking to get a guys attention.
Now admittedly I've seen girls at clubs that I didn't find to be at all attractive. They might be attractive to someone else, don't know, but I wouldn't pay for dances. Then again I won't pay to just talk, so while I would have talked with them, I wouldn't pay for it no matter how good they look. Still, it is a strip club. It's one thing to be skanky as compared with the other girls in the club. It's another thing to be unattractive as compared with other girls in general. Good luck with it, but on a big grey scale, some girls don't have the looks, some are extremely good looking, and some are in the grey area where they are good enough but could do some things to improve their looks too. While potentially a girl that doesn't have the looks can make up for it with her personality, it's going to be a long uphill battle, and she's going to lose sales to the girls that have both looks and personality, and she is not going to sell to the guys that weigh looks more heavily then personality.
erotictonic
09-23-2006, 09:06 AM
If I meet a guy who is really hot but I don't like them, it turns me off. I can't think of them as hot anymore. I don't know if it is the same for guys.
Each guy is an individual who likes different things, so the hotness factor will be different for each. Some guys just aren't going to care about cottage cheese, if they like the girl and her approach. Guys don't really compare the way girls do. They like all kinds of girls.
Have you ever seen a girl/guy who is incredibly sexy to you, but not necessarily the best looking? Some guys/girls have simply worked more on technique/personality and life skills, and that makes up for looks.
From my experience, some strippers put too much emphasis on looks. If they worked more on personality and self-improvement, not only would their dollars improve, but so would their lives.
yoda57us
09-23-2006, 11:29 AM
I like a hot woman who is slightly slutty but gives me the impression that she doesnt give it out cart blanche. I dont like a dancer who is so hot she is a defacto prima donna nor do I want a club coochie that is dripping from the last hours fun. The gray area in between is where I prefer to hang out.
FBR
FBR: If we lived near the same clubs I have a feeling we would be waiting in line for the same women....The grey area is where all the fun is;)
cristo58
09-23-2006, 11:38 AM
I feel that the pretty dancers are looking for the 3-piece suits, bling, rolexs, etc... they're not interested in an average guy in kahki's and a button down.... Skanks treat us all the same "we are the greatest thing since sliced bread".......... It's all in your attitude, 'stick-up your butt beautiful', or 'kiss your butt skank' ......my 2 & 1/2 cents....
Mastridonicus
09-23-2006, 11:42 AM
The true gems are the ones who are as freaky in their personal sexuality as they are classy in their public sexuality.
Lets face it, a woman who's mere presence is commanding, is only made more attractive by the little hint of sexuality that is left in everything they do that lets you know that this woman is as rare as she is deadly.
The intimidation these women present is merely intoxicating to me. It's only a select few they even talk to let alone sleep with.
A true thoroughbred as TOO would put it.
Mast
IMO, a slut is defined only by those who seek to pass judgement on others who may be ok with their actions. Lets face it, if she's sexual in a way we don't agree with, she must be a slut!
mr_punk
09-23-2006, 05:35 PM
Second - am I remembering incorrectly? Aren't you guys usually the ones blasting the pinkies for supposedly telling girls that they don't need to be hot? For telling them that personality and charm may count for more than looks?you are remembering incorrectly. i'll blast pinkies (if they deserve it) who post pics and ask the question, "am i too fat (or some other quality) to dance?". so, when i tell some of these girls. they are too fat or whatever. usually, you jump in and talk about how fat strippers with nice personalities can dance too.
I really don't think any of the guys are make absolute statements. They are making relative ones.true, but relative to what exactly?
I like a hot woman who is slightly slutty but gives me the impression that she doesnt give it out cart blanche. I dont like a dancer who is so hot she is a defacto prima donna nor do I want a club coochie that is dripping from the last hours fun. The gray area in between is where I prefer to hang out.
Pretty much where I stand too on most SC trips. I've indulged a bit in both extremes, but the middle ground you describe is how I spend most of my money.see, that sounds more like the "F" zone rather than the middle ground or grey area. IMO, i think it's no better than the eyeball-clawing of strippers. it's one thing reject a stripper on her looks. OTOH, it's quite another to reject her based on some preconceived notion (ie: she's too slutty or too skanky) about her sexuality. frankly, i find this whole notion of customers concerned about a stripper being too much a "skank" funny. it's akin to a customer worrying about being labeled a "nasty pervert" in a sc. IMO, it's a bit late in the day for a customer to worry about it. that horse alreadly left the barn when he paid the cover.
erotictonic
09-23-2006, 06:25 PM
you are remembering incorrectly. i'll blast pinkies (if they deserve it) who post pics and ask the question, "am i too fat (or some other quality) to dance?". so, when i tell some of these girls. they are too fat or whatever. usually, you jump in and talk about how fat strippers with nice personalities can dance too.
They can. In the right clubs, and with the right guys. Anyone can.
true, but relative to what exactly?
Relative to their own opinions, I would think. Anyone who wants to dance must deal with local and/or regional demand/opinion.
see, that sounds more like the "F" zone rather than the middle ground or grey area. IMO, i think it's no better than the eyeball-clawing of strippers. it's one thing reject a stripper on her looks. OTOH, it's quite another to reject her based on some preconceived notion (ie: she's too slutty or too skanky) about her sexuality. frankly, i find this whole notion of customers concerned about a stripper being too much a "skank" funny. it's akin to a customer worrying about being labeled a "nasty pervert" in a sc. IMO, it's a bit late in the day for a customer to worry about it. that horse alreadly left the barn when he paid the cover.
I agree in some areas. You have to deal with what you are offered. If there are too many of what you think are "skanks" in the club, maybe it's time to move to another club.
mr_punk
09-23-2006, 06:57 PM
I know lots of unattractive girls in happy relationships with seemingly shallow men. They get along and like each other. Me, I'm fucking hot, and can't seem to make anything stick. Of course, I'm fucking insane, that might have something to do with it....probably, men do hate drama. hot, psycho-biatches can be fun in small doses, but i suppose there's something to be said about a woman who has low drama quotient. hmm...too bad i don't listen to my own advice. LOL.
Relative to their own opinions, I would think. Anyone who wants to dance must deal with local and/or regional demand/opinion.sure, but therein lies the disconnect. it's a opinion derived from one's experiences OTC and being applied to the artificial environment ITC.
xdamage
09-24-2006, 12:07 AM
sure, but therein lies the disconnect. it's a opinion derived from one's experiences OTC and being applied to the artificial environment ITC.
Actually I was responding to Jenny's comment of:
Aren't you guys usually the ones blasting the pinkies for supposedly telling girls that they don't need to be hot? For telling them that personality and charm may count for more than looks?
Pinkie version of how to tell a not so good looking girl - You don't need to be hot. Personality and charm count for more than looks. Just as Jenny said. And yes, the blues do blast the pinkies for making absolute and simplistic statements like that.
Blue version of how to tell a not so good looking girl - You don't need to be the hottest girl in the club, but you probably better be relatively hot as compared with the average population if you want to be a stripper because a lot of guys do weigh in looks into their decision to buy. Personality and charm count too, in addition to looks. They are not mutually exclusive, and you should work on both. And again, if you are not super hot your personality probably better be relatively good as compared with the average population or we aren't going to pay for it.
It's a strip club. Most guys go to see the bodies and faces of attractive women "strip" hence the name. We can pretend that isn't so but I don't think that's reality (even though there are guys who really don't care at all). Customer's don't necessarily require that the girls be the hottest as compared with each other, but that doesn't mean they aren't aren't comparing their hotness relative to the average population.
Remember girls, you are expecting these guys to pay you money. These guys could all meet an average or not so attractive woman and talk with them - they are not paying you to be average, they are paying for something (relative to the general population) above average. If you've been keeping your eyes open you'll have noted that the majority of guys that fall for a stripper "for her personality", well it just happens to be that she's hot. Guys have a way of doing that. As in, don't trust when a guy says he loves a woman for her personality, but never seems to feel that way about an unattractive woman.
Still, let's not let the pinkies turn this topic around on us. The topic was actually started by a pinkie who perceives herself as hotter then other girls in the club, and has implied (as a few other pinkies have implied) that it must be that the reason those other girls have customers is because they are skanks. While the dancers are comparing themselves with each other (and frankly I get the sense that there is an element of bad spirited competativeness in the OPs question), the customers are comparing the girls relative to women outside of the club. Well, perhaps not the junkie who is strictly into looks and comparing the girls with each other ;)
you are remembering incorrectly. i'll blast pinkies (if they deserve it) who post pics and ask the question, "am i too fat (or some other quality) to dance?". so, when i tell some of these girls. they are too fat or whatever. usually, you jump in and talk about how fat strippers with nice personalities can dance too.
I made the mistake once of watching the American Idol rehersals. I was shocked at the number of people that couldn't sing at all, that had terrible sounding voices that tried out. I mean why even show up if you can't sing on key? or remember the lyrics? Let alone have the subtle qualities that separate an average singer from someone whose voice emotonally moves others.
But what's worse is the number of kids whose parents and "friends" were telling them how good they were. We're not talking about kids that had a realistic shot. We're talking about kids that plain and simple can't sing,
Of course reality is what it is, and you can live in a personal fantasy world only up to the point that you don't demand others agree with your fantasies. I wondered how many of these people's friends were just maliciously setting them up for failure, so they could have a good laugh.
Bridgette
09-24-2006, 04:09 AM
I feel that the pretty dancers area looking for the 3-piece suits, bling, rolexs, etc... they're not interested in an average guy in kahki's and a button down.... Skanks treat us all the same "we are the greatest thing since sliced bread".That is complete and utter bullshit. Most strippers with any brains/experience know that the suits are a pain in the ass and usually don't spend money. And I've never met a stripper yet - no matter what she looks like - who wouldn't go for a custy in khakis and a button down. That crap is all in your head. Perhaps if you don't ASSume the pretty dancers don't like you, and treat them as nice as you do the other girls, they'll be just as nice as the other girls. sheesh
cristo58
09-24-2006, 02:34 PM
Bridgette: Wow.... the question was an assumption in itself and a generalization, so the responce is a generalization. To "ASSume" that all patrons perfer skanks and to "ASSume" that all homly dancers are skanks, and therefore easy, is a true falacy of thought. The question was not about treating dancers with respect, regardless of body image, but of an oberservation of 'how come them and not me?' and the answer is attitude, attitude, attitude........
I for one am not choosy about who asks to sit with me, I'm usally pleased that there was even an offer, but I would like the dancer not to come over bored, sit with me looking bored, and dance bored... a little enthusiasim goes a long way.....
I understand that this a business and a very tuff business at that; I respect the effort that is made and given to make the business enjoyable for both patron and dancer, but being a dancer is not an easy gig, if was everyone would do it, and customer service is all about attitude; positive attitude and personality, regardless of body image, SELLS. 8) my 4 cents
see, that sounds more like the "F" zone rather than the middle ground or grey area. IMO, i think it's no better than the eyeball-clawing of strippers. it's one thing reject a stripper on her looks. OTOH, it's quite another to reject her based on some preconceived notion (ie: she's too slutty or too skanky) about her sexuality. frankly, i find this whole notion of customers concerned about a stripper being too much a "skank" funny. it's akin to a customer worrying about being labeled a "nasty pervert" in a sc. IMO, it's a bit late in the day for a customer to worry about it. that horse alreadly left the barn when he paid the cover.
Damn, you pulled out the sharp sword F word ;) Seriously, over the years Ive had to pull out my shirt tail more than once to cover our mutual juices staining my khakis after leaving VIP. Those were crazy days and the dancers involved may have flirted with the slutzone. But for now Im not doing that due to stripper/mistress lockdown. Recognizing my voluntary confinement, Ive embraced the more esoteric and visual experiences of strippers ITC. If and when the FBR/Miss D shelf life expiration date arrives, its up in the air whether I will just say fuck it and retire or perhaps jump back in the mayhem again. For now, Im relatively well behaved ITC, saving my "misbehavior" for OTC. Its fun to sit at my table, surrounded by stripper supplicants, remembering how just yesterday she cummed from a foot massage :P The visiting strippers are wondering why the hell I appear to be giving her big tips for "nothing" }:D
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Katrine
09-24-2006, 02:59 PM
I understand that this a business and a very tuff business at that; I respect the effort that is made and given to make the business enjoyable for both patron and dancer, but being a dancer is not an easy gig, if was everyone would do it, and customer service is all about attitude; positive attitude and personality, regardless of body image, SELLS. 8) my 4 cents
You didn't even address her response. Point is, strippers don't give a shit about "bling" or three-piece suits. They give a shit about money, and how to maximize getting it. The only reason you might be concerned about what strippers like is if you're coming to the club looking for a date, or to get laid. No suprise, 90% of guys come into the club with that hope.
Of course, all of this is relative. Where I spent most of my dancing years, millionaires would be walking in wearing business cas. or shorts and t-shirts (oil and tech towns). NO dancer, no matter what her looks level is, can ascertain how much money a guy is willing to spend just by the way he is dressed.
Guys, if you want the hottest bitch in the room, go for her! And think about going to the movies these days, some trips will be a win, some will be a dud. You can increase your chances of enjoying your time by doing a little research beforehand. ;)
The Snark
09-24-2006, 03:04 PM
As I said, I felt there is a certain degree of bad spirited competitiveness in the OP's original question. The less attractive girls in the club (that are often still attractive relative to the general population) are not necessarily "sluts" or "skanks". They are often the girls who are successful because of their personalities. The guys feels comfortable around them, or they smile more, or whatever reasons, the customer enjoys their company, and so they bank.
I think it's safe to say women are far more likely than men to fling about terms like "slut" and "skank". It might have something to do with the fact that women have traditionally drawn moral capital from their sexual purity. Most societies throughout history have lionized virgins and virtuous wives while ostrasizing any woman who has sex out of wedlock. And if any woman wanted to undermine the reputation of one of her sisters, all she had to do was to spread rumours about her sluttiness. What's more, a woman who denounced others for their sluttiness proved her moral superiority because she was a "lady" who didn't do that sort of thing.
Of course, we're all so much more sexually liberated now, but I think the mindset remains to some degree. Just look at the amount of venom that's spit in the direction of prostitutes and "extras girls" on the pink side. One would think that strippers would be more liberated than the rest of us, and yet they sometimes seem to be as obsessed with enforcing the boundaries of sexual morality as a JP in 17th-century Massachusetts.
mr_punk
09-24-2006, 03:38 PM
Actually I was responding to Jenny's comment of:okay, but i'm responding to your reply of FBR post.
Pinkie version of how to tell a not so good looking girl - You don't need to be hot.<snip>okay, but i don't disagree. that's not what i'm getting at.
Still, let's not let the pinkies turn this topic around on us. The topic was actually started by a pinkie who perceives herself as hotter then other girls in the club, and has implied (as a few other pinkies have implied) that it must be that the reason those other girls have customers is because they are skanks. While the dancers are comparing themselves with each other (and frankly I get the sense that there is an element of bad spirited competativeness in the OPs question)sure, eyeball gouging is a competitive sport among strippers. it's the height of bad-spirited competitiveness. frankly, i think it's a bit of an overreaction given the context of the work environment. which brings me to my point....
the customers are comparing the girls relative to women outside of the club. however, most customers aren't as objective as you're proposing. like you said, they do compare them to women on the outside. however, i don't think they restrict themselves (a mistake IMO) to just looks alone. words like "slut" and "skank" can have an negative effect on customers as well. again, i find it an overreaction given the context of the work environment. for example, sometimes a stripper will imply or use those words to bad mouth another stripper. it can be an effective sales tactic and some customers will buy into the idea. still, if customers are supposed to be so objective. why are customers worrying about whether or not she may be too slutty?
I think it's safe to say women are far more likely than men to fling about terms like "slut" and "skank". It might have something to do with the fact that women have traditionally drawn moral capital from their sexual purity. Most societies throughout history have lionized virgins and virtuous wives while ostrasizing any woman who has sex out of wedlock. And if any woman wanted to undermine the reputation of one of her sisters, all she had to do was to spread rumours about her sluttiness. What's more, a woman who denounced others for their sluttiness proved her moral superiority because she was a "lady" who didn't do that sort of thing.well, i don't know who throws it around more, but i think the reasons behind it are different. furthermore, neither term should be a negative within the context of a sc. i thought that was the point. i mean, strippers do wear platform shoes to make their asses stick out, right?
xdamage
09-24-2006, 07:01 PM
okay, but i'm responding to your reply of FBR post.
okay, but i don't disagree. that's not what i'm getting at.
still, if customers are supposed to be so objective. why are customers worrying about whether or not she may be too slutty?
well, i don't know who throws it around more, but i think the reasons behind it are different. furthermore, neither term should be a negative within the context of a sc. i thought that was the point.
Ah okay, that's fair. I don't care for moral reasons (i.e., because she is a slut). Still, I do enjoy the thrill of the chase in and out of the club as well as a lot of sex play and teasing. Admittedly the SC isn't the best place for it, but hey, I'm there for fun, and the chase is fun (even if it's not at all real in the SC). Some guys want to just get in and get off, some like the stuff that leads up to sex as much or more. The dancer who starts with come on back to the vip and ill suck your cock, boring for me.
I suppose you could argue that the thrill of the chase is rooted at least in part in morality, but that's another (lengthy) discussion. ;)
mr_punk
09-24-2006, 09:29 PM
Ah okay, that's fair. I don't care for moral reasons (i.e., because she is a slut).okay, but some customers do drink the kool-aid. so, let's not kid ourselves that those customers don't play that game, albeit for different reasons..
I suppose you could argue that the thrill of the chase is rooted at least in part in morality, but that's another (lengthy) discussion.not really. although, i didn't know there was an element of sport in chasing a stripper. honestly, the notion sounds like too much work to me.
Katrine
09-24-2006, 09:30 PM
What about those men who like skinks? Bastards! Damn dirty skinks be messin w my money!
http://fwie.fw.vt.edu/VHS/Southeastern%20Five-lined%20Skink%20(Eumeces%20inexpectatus).JPG
Bridgette
09-25-2006, 01:59 AM
Bridgette: Wow.... the question was an assumption in itself and a generalization, so the responce is a generalization.
Sure OP was a huge generalization, but to answer with yet another one (incorrect at that), is not really productive.
All you guys going on about whether skanks or sluts make money because they're skanks/sluts or they have great personalities are kinda splitting hairs. We all know many women automatically call any woman who gets more attention from the opposite sex a slut/whore/skank/whatever. Not news. We all know some 'hot' chics think they ought to automatically make more money just because they're 'hotter' than others. Not news. Yeah, it's fucking stoopid.
We all know one stripper's skank may be one customer's 'girl with a great personality'. Whatever. Can we just chalk it up to some girls are just fucking stoopid and don't get it? :P
xdamage
09-25-2006, 07:09 AM
We all know many women automatically call any woman who gets more attention from the opposite sex a slut/whore/skank/whatever. Not news. We all know some 'hot' chics think they ought to automatically make more money just because they're 'hotter' than others. Not news. Yeah, it's fucking stoopid. We all know one stripper's skank may be one customer's 'girl with a great personality'. Whatever. Can we just chalk it up to some girls are just fucking stoopid and don't get it? :P
Good summary.
xdamage
09-25-2006, 07:40 AM
That crap is all in your head. Perhaps if you don't ASSume the pretty dancers don't like you, and treat them as nice as you do the other girls, they'll be just as nice as the other girls. sheesh
This is a tough one. I agree, but let me add some comments.
It's common that a lot of guys spend their whole lives being ignored or outright rejected by very attractive women, which in turn reinforces their belief that pretty women in general don't like them.
As someone else said here (or a few of you said) a guy might just be more comfortable around the less attractive women in the club, in part because of his own belief that the hottest women will reject him, and in part because the less attractive women may actually be somewhat friendlier having had to try a little harder themselves to attract attention from the opposite sex.
While you're completely right that the majority of the problem is in their heads, it's sort of like beating a dog with a newspaper when he is younger, who later in life flinches at the sight of any newspaper. Doesn't matter how much they know it intellectually, around attractive women they expect to be rejected and so they flinch. Un-learning that is easier said then done.
All that said, there is one more reason to dress up and care about how you look at the SC (other then looking for a date). And that's because you do it for yourself, fuck everyone else, be proud of who you are and wear what you like to wear in or out of the club. I've never known a stripper to not offer or agree to lap dances when I'm dressed up, although I have known a few to say what you said, which is that suits often mean "trouble"
exotisch23
10-02-2006, 08:12 PM
By the same token, dancers who are persistent, pushy and outgoing--regardless of their looks or charm--will sell more dances than strippers who hang out at the bar. It's not that men prefer skanks. It's just that hustlers, ceteris paribus, will out-earn the non-hustlers.
I always thought guys were turned off by the agressive, pushy girls. But then again if it works, why not, right? /:O
Richard_Head
10-02-2006, 08:15 PM
I always thought guys were turned off by the agressive, pushy girls. But then again if it works, why not, right? /:OI think you misunderstood him, he's saying that the girl sitting at the bar isn't going to out earn anyone, even the aggressive, pushy girls that nobody likes.
Mastridonicus
10-02-2006, 08:51 PM
I like skanks because they snap, crackle and POP when I throw them in milk... In that order.
xdamage
10-03-2006, 06:49 AM
I always thought guys were turned off by the agressive, pushy girls. But then again if it works, why not, right? /:O
I'd say a lot of guys wouldn't marry or necessarily date an overly aggressive woman, but they might hook up with a girl like that to screw around if she is hot. What might not work OTC can still work ITC.
However, putting that aside, there is a big difference between a girl that sits at the bar and waits for customers to come to her, and a girl that walks around and butter's up the male ego, and lets it be known she is available. A lot of guys are suckers for a woman that acts like she is needy, wants the guy, etc., It can be done without being overly aggressive.
Pretty_Penny
10-05-2006, 03:46 PM
this thread made me laugh. it also made me want a mcdonalds agg n cheese biscuit really fuckin' bad.