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Izabella
09-14-2006, 12:59 AM
Great post evan_essence!

sexy_celeste
09-14-2006, 01:54 AM
Well, I'm not debating you, but I can understand the reasons. We've all been victims of the preconceived conclusion steamroller -- times that we would have loved to have gotten the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes a rumor gets spread and soars to atmospheric heights because evidence on the surface seems to support it, but contrary evidence or alternate explanations are overlooked or dismissed.

Yes Ive been the victim of rumour before, I ended up leaving another "heavy extras" club, cos I wouldnt do any contact at all and "thought Im so much better than the rest of the girls" ::)


In this case, the "suspect" is in an ethnic minority; if that's unusual for that club, the exotic element might explain why some customers are keen to switch brands. It was stated she doesn't sell as many private dances on a shift when she has to stage dance more. I guess that means Total Dances Sold in the club didn't drop then. I, too, think that's reasonable suspicion, but, with so many variables involved, it's not iron clad proof.

This girl is one of 4 girls in our club, infact we have around 1/4 of our dancers are her ethnicity.


Even if she is doing some extras, we should define our terms. That's such a vague acccusation, it doesn't necessarily mean she's doing Extras with a capital E. She may have come back from the Extras Club because her boundaries aren't drawn that liberally. Obviously, the club's norm needs to be enforced or else it all goes downhill, but in a profession where we're all constantly accused of whoring, I can understand some of us getting a bit defensive about such accusations. That's all I'm sayin.


Yup she did come from an extras club, but swore thats why she left that place, as she had seen what was neccessary to make $$$ there.


Also, I think this has turned out to be a good discussion (yay StripperWeb) and I think Celeste is very cool for caring enough that she's approaching this so thoroughly. Sorry it's such a stresser, darlin.
-Ev

Im so glad that I had taken the time to discuss this with everyone here, as things could have gotten really nasty.

If I had confronted her or brought this out into the Club, she would have killed herself last night.

See it turns out she IS doing extras, but was doing them due to extenuating personal circumstances. This guy she "loves" told her that she had to quit stripping or he wont date her,(what is it with these guys?!?) yet she is supporting her sick mother, and was trying to get as much cash as possible in a short time, so her family wouldnt suffer.

Doing the extras has fucked with her head (as it would) and she is suffering major depression, compounded by this arse guy.

I really can understand her desperation, but I think she personally made the wrong choice.

So I called her last night, to find out why she wasnt at work, and got to talk her out of suicide, as I called early enough, thank god. Shes told me about all this drama, and is taking 2 weeks off for a pysch assessment.

If I had shared my suspicions with security, or accused her of extras, theres no way she would have spoken to me last night.

She will hopefully want to return as a clean dancer, if she comes back at all, protecting the other girls, and saving her sanity.

Thank you everyone!

Bridgette
09-14-2006, 03:11 AM
Well, to drive the point home: It's not a court of law so iron clad proof simply is not needed in this situation.

Sorry to hear of this girl's situation, but honestly, I can't help being a bit skeptical of that story. Such a BIG sob story and all. Maybe I am the world's biggest cynic but damn if that doesn't sound like a tall tale. It's practically every stereotypical stripper tale all rolled into one.

PorschaM
09-14-2006, 05:28 PM
Celeste-I'm curious how you found out. Did you send a spy? Have a meeting? What prompted the confession?

PM

sexy_celeste
09-15-2006, 08:41 AM
Celeste-I'm curious how you found out. Did you send a spy? Have a meeting? What prompted the confession?

PM


She didnt show up for a shift on Wednesday, so I called one of the staff who is a friend of hers, and said how worried I was that she wasnt answering my calls, and hadnt arrived.

He said "oh I was worried this might happen" then he read me a text message from her about how the club and turned her into a whore, selling her body etc.

So when she FINALLY called me back(around 2 am, 9 hours after she was supposed to be at work) I asked her about the message and said "babe youre not selling your body, youre only dancing. Youd be a whore if you were doing extras......" and she burst into tears and said "but I WAS"

Now I AM beginning to doubt this chick however, as TODAY the manager hands me a letter from her (written around the time of the whole "Celeste the racist" saga) bitching about how she has been cut back shifts ("cut her back" from 10 shifts (Due to sickies/drama/people getting fired she worked double shifts for a week) to 5, which is actually 1 MORE than most of the full time girls do) and what a bitch I am. He only found it today.

HE has now said he doesnt want diva's like her, cos he agrees with me that Ive been more than fair with her.

See she told EVERYONE except me that I was cutting her shifts back, rather than talking to the one person who could actually FIX her problem (me).

AND she asked not to be on certain shifts cos one of the staff was "hassling her," yet she was all over him 2 days ago, according to the manager.

So we have a lying diva here, who I am glad to see the back of honestly.

Thanks everyone!

evan_essence
09-16-2006, 02:55 PM
Well, that sucks that she was trying to play you. Fortunately, she used enough rope to hang herself. Once again, we see what so often happens when someone like Celeste cares about being fair and trying to help but the other dancer turns around and bites the hand of fairness. Glad it worked out and she's out. Next time, I'll go back to being more cynical.

-Ev

Bridgette
09-16-2006, 04:00 PM
Next time, I'll go back to being more cynical.

-EvLOL!

But seriously - you see why I'm so cynical?

Gypsy_Dancer
09-16-2006, 04:56 PM
Well, she obviously admitted to doing extras. It doesn't matter what her reason was. Perhaps the reason she quit working at the known extras club is because she didn't have an "edge" over the girls that work there. It would also be interesting to know what her uptight b/f thought about her behavior. If he was unhappy at the thought of her being a dancer, the knowledge that she started selling more than dances would probably cause him to never talk to her again.

I don't think that she should be allowed to work at the club again. She stated herself that the reason that she did it was to get as much cash as possible so she could quit dancing. Well, here is her opportunity. Not to be too judgemental, but it seems like she just isn't cut out to be a good dancer at your club.

mblank
09-16-2006, 06:07 PM
Well, she obviously admitted to doing extras. It doesn't matter what her reason was. Perhaps the reason she quit working at the known extras club is because she didn't have an "edge" over the girls that work there. It would also be interesting to know what her uptight b/f thought about her behavior. If he was unhappy at the thought of her being a dancer, the knowledge that she started selling more than dances would probably cause him to never talk to her again.

I don't think that she should be allowed to work at the club again. She stated herself that the reason that she did it was to get as much cash as possible so she could quit dancing. Well, here is her opportunity. Not to be too judgemental, but it seems like she just isn't cut out to be a good dancer at your club.

I think the reason she did it was to have an edge over the other dancers. I agree with Bridgette's cynicism. Cry me a river of tears. She's full of it.

Like I said before, there is no hen worth the coupe.

If she needs to get out dancing, then you are doing her a favor by letting her go.

sexy_celeste
09-16-2006, 11:08 PM
If she needs to get out dancing, then you are doing her a favor by letting her go.


I had thought so too, but now one of her friends (Staff member at the club) is beggin me to take her back, cos she spent the weekend doing "private call outs" cos she is desperate for the cash!

It may sound harsh, but I dont want her back, and really its not my business how she chooses to screw up her life.

Yeah I feel bad that she feels that she had to make that choice, but it was a choice and she could have taken another road.

Im totally over her whole messed up dramas!

aussiepunkshocker
09-16-2006, 11:31 PM
Yeah I feel bad that she feels that she had to make that choice, but it was a choice and she could have taken another road.

Im totally over her whole messed up dramas!

Exactly - its a choice she made, but she made it all the same regardless of the fact that it caused ALOT of problems for the other dancers, regardless of the fact that many of them might have needed the money just as much as she did.
I feel sad for her personal situation, but her selfishness really pisses me off as does the associated drama. No one needs it!

flickad
09-17-2006, 10:11 AM
I wouldn't take her back, no matter what her excuse. There's a nice way to say 'I know you felt like you needed to do this, but it's illegal for us to allow it at our club, not to mention unfair to the dancers who do the right thing. Once you're known to have broken the law in this way, you just can't work here anymore.' You might even want to throw something in about the possiblility of working in a legal brothel, since she seems to not have a problem with providing full service (though I wouldn't, unless she pushed me too hard.)

P.S.- I'd even go as far as to suggest that the problem is likely a nasty drug habit, rather than a sick parent. I'm sure her mother wouldn't want her to be doing this, even if she is unwell. Also, we have the Medicare system in Australia (with full medical coverage for Health Care Card holders, not to mention heavily subsidised medication). And if her mother is that sick, she would be getting a Disability Pension of $500 a fortnight, possibly with Rent Assistance on top of that. With that as basic income in addition to the cash this girl would make from five weekly shifts of clean dancing alone, the family could not possibly be in dire straits (and rents aren't exactly high in Perth!). Think about it. Would she need that much cash just to cover medical bills and basics, given that we have socialised medicine and readily available Centrelink payments in this country?

The girls I've known to do extras have generally been junkies. Her desperation (and manipulativeness) sounds like that of a drug addict to me, and I don't see why you should be sympathetic.

sexy_celeste
09-18-2006, 01:43 AM
I wouldn't take her back, no matter what her excuse. There's a nice way to say 'I know you felt like you needed to do this, but it's illegal for us to allow it at our club, not to mention unfair to the dancers who do the right thing. Once you're known to have broken the law in this way, you just can't work here anymore.' You might even want to throw something in about the possiblility of working in a legal brothel, since she seems to not have a problem with providing full service (though I wouldn't, unless she pushed me too hard.)

P.S.- I'd even go as far as to suggest that the problem is likely a nasty drug habit, rather than a sick parent. I'm sure her mother wouldn't want her to be doing this, even if she is unwell. Also, we have the Medicare system in Australia (with full medical coverage for Health Care Card holders, not to mention heavily subsidised medication). And if her mother is that sick, she would be getting a Disability Pension of $500 a fortnight, possibly with Rent Assistance on top of that. With that as basic income in addition to the cash this girl would make from five weekly shifts of clean dancing alone, the family could not possibly be in dire straits (and rents aren't exactly high in Perth!). Think about it. Would she need that much cash just to cover medical bills and basics, given that we have socialised medicine and readily available Centrelink payments in this country?

The girls I've known to do extras have generally been junkies. Her desperation (and manipulativeness) sounds like that of a drug addict to me, and I don't see why you should be sympathetic.


Yeah Ive been thinking the same thing about her mum.Seriously I dont know why she doesnt go escorting for decent cash. Anyways she has begged me and the manager (who is a pussy) so she is back on probation 2 shifts a week (I need the girls unfortunately) Next complaint I get she is gone for good this time.

flickad
09-18-2006, 03:37 AM
Yeah Ive been thinking the same thing about her mum.Seriously I dont know why she doesnt go escorting for decent cash. Anyways she has begged me and the manager (who is a pussy) so she is back on probation 2 shifts a week (I need the girls unfortunately) Next complaint I get she is gone for good this time.

I almost wish I lived in Perth, so I could work there instead of this girl. I hate girls who treat strip clubs like brothels and ruin it for everyone. I can't believe the manager let her come back after she ADMITTED to breaking the law repeatedly, thus putting the club at risk.

Bridgette
09-18-2006, 03:51 AM
Well, she obviously admitted to doing extras. It doesn't matter what her reason was. Perhaps the reason she quit working at the known extras club is because she didn't have an "edge" over the girls that work there. It would also be interesting to know what her uptight b/f thought about her behavior. If he was unhappy at the thought of her being a dancer, the knowledge that she started selling more than dances would probably cause him to never talk to her again.

I don't think that she should be allowed to work at the club again. She stated herself that the reason that she did it was to get as much cash as possible so she could quit dancing. Well, here is her opportunity. Not to be too judgemental, but it seems like she just isn't cut out to be a good dancer at your club.Took the words right outta my fingers! As well as flickad's assertion that it's probably a drug problem (if anything) rather than a sick family member - I agree all that manipulativeness sounds like something a drug addict would do.

I find it extremely difficult to have sympathy for people who blatantly and knowingly break all the rules, especially at the expense of others, and then cry desperate and try to play on your compassion. I would have a VERY hard time not shrugging any further pleas off with "go to one of the brothels where you can conduct your business legally" and then stonewall it.

honey55
09-18-2006, 06:13 AM
I wouldn't trust that girl. don't allow her to work agian!

Doing two shfts a week is enought to look for the "client" (she can deal the buisiness outside of the club. )

N.O.

sexy_celeste
09-18-2006, 07:38 AM
I almost wish I lived in Perth, so I could work there instead of this girl. I hate girls who treat strip clubs like brothels and ruin it for everyone. I can't believe the manager let her come back after she ADMITTED to breaking the law repeatedly, thus putting the club at risk.

Yeah I know, but I only have so many "trump cards" to play against the manager, so I try to save them for emergencies, (like getting the rapist banned) and i know she'll fuck up again soon, so bye for good then!

And I rostered her on during the Grand Final in a few weeks }:D

sexy_celeste
09-18-2006, 07:44 AM
Took the words right outta my fingers! As well as flickad's assertion that it's probably a drug problem (if anything) rather than a sick family member - I agree all that manipulativeness sounds like something a drug addict would do.

I find it extremely difficult to have sympathy for people who blatantly and knowingly break all the rules, especially at the expense of others, and then cry desperate and try to play on your compassion. I would have a VERY hard time not shrugging any further pleas off with "go to one of the brothels where you can conduct your business legally" and then stonewall it.


I agree about the drug habit.

Major reason here is I really need the shifts filled. I just need to hire 1-2 more girls (Cos I fired ANOTHER extras girl this week for the THIRD time - manager keeps wanting her back, I say "told you so" and she is staying fired now) and I can get rid of her. She is on probation so any problems and she is outa there.

I guess Im not strong enough when it comes to firing people, and standing up to the managers.

evan_essence
09-19-2006, 11:54 PM
But seriously - you see why I'm so cynical?Oh, I completely understand and am right there with ya 99 percent of the time. I tend to slip into hypothetical philosophy when I get into a message board discussion because it's a step removed from the whirlwind that is the club. And because I just like playing devil's advocate to probe the issues. Plus, as much as I miss it, the experience is shrinking in my rear view mirror now that I'm several months retired. Or perhaps that's my failing memory in general.


I guess Im not strong enough when it comes to firing people, and standing up to the managers.Hon, it sounds like you're doing great. I totally understand your observation that you have only so many trump cards with management. You're picking your battles and that's a good tactic. So is being patient while working toward results. And giving problem people just enough rope to hang themselves. You're a trooper. You're making a difference whether they fully appreciate it or not.

-Ev

vivaItalia
09-20-2006, 12:21 AM
get the cameras....... that's definitely best for everyone...

Katrine
09-21-2006, 07:59 PM
An actual manager would have some supervisory duties? Why even bother with a house mom/dance manager when they could give a shit? Celeste, why do you even bother? Are they at least compensating you? Or do you just enjoy the pseudo-power?

sexy_celeste
09-22-2006, 06:56 AM
An actual manager would have some supervisory duties? Why even bother with a house mom/dance manager when they could give a shit? Celeste, why do you even bother? Are they at least compensating you? Or do you just enjoy the pseudo-power?

Management has tried to screw the girls over a few times.(ie not banning the triple attempted rapist) Im the girls' representative. I mainly took the role as it was me or a powertripping extras ho who fucks the manager behind her husbands back, in the office all shift. I couldnt do that to the performers.

The ONLY good side was I could guarantee that I worked extra shifts if I was short on cash, plus MY hours were never once messed up (I used to get rostered on all the times I cant work!)

I actually hate the power, as Im always getting bugged at the last moment with stupid reasons for people not coming in, or bitch fights etc.

But Im no longer running the girls, thank god, and wont EVER again, unless I actually get a managerial position with pay, holidays,sick leave etc.

mild2wild
09-22-2006, 09:58 AM
Celeste - I have been reading and following your threads lately and I dont know why you dont quit this place! I know that you have been arrested for allowing a minor to work at your club, last thing you need is being arrested for prostitution in a unlicensed venue! the pla can be extremely harsh on any body who does 'dildo' shows in a licensed venue!

If you dont want to get in any more trouble then you have - QUIT THIS CLUB ASAP!

Katrine
09-22-2006, 10:09 AM
You seem like such a sweet girl. Just get out of the place, its toxic. Get a job doing something else, not entertainment. Sure, the money might be crap, but your husband can help you out, and there are always school loans available for education. This isn't worth it for your nerves and health. ;)

mild2wild
09-22-2006, 11:22 AM
You could always work in another club or alternatively do agency work for companie like babes promotions who are already set up in perth..... If I were in your position, I would rather be touched on the breats then have the chance to throw away my education!

Get out while you can!