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sc0101
10-06-2006, 11:46 AM
No offense,

but I find this whole scheme to make a 16 year your old a consenting anything to a 50 + year old gross.

we're you in a weird relationship with an older guy as a teenager?

been there done that, still don't have to make other kids culpable
No, and I don't approve of it as I said earlier.

sc0101
10-06-2006, 11:54 AM
i've seen some hot 16 year old boys. ......... umm, i wouldn't have sex with any of them because i don't think it's right till they are at least out of the home and on their own. even then i wouldn't lead them on emotionally or anything. let's not kid ourselves though. most of us have seen someone, wether it be in person or on tv or whatever and thought "damn their hot" then found out he/she is 16-18. it happens sometimes when i go to the club. i see those little black Xs 9means under 21) on their hands after checking them out and then i feel like an old pervert.

...... *hides*


Yes, it's human nature. Many 16 year old guys/girls look like they do when they turn 18 or 20.

azcustomer
10-06-2006, 12:38 PM
In general i'd agree. Like the Lewinski/Clinton crapfest. I personally coulda cared less if he banged her in the ass while wearing a Nixon mask, they were both adults.

I guess I just personally see this as something a tad beyond a sexual indiscretion.

The difference here is that he was stalking the boys. (shows up drunk at their dorms and has to be turned away by security - offers a boy a trip to his house in exchange for a sex act)

The media is over-doing this, IMO. He's gone - we need to find out who knew about his actions and helped harbor him for the last 11 years so they can feel a little pain. But that's it.

Although I think that 30 days from now, this helps the Republicans by rallying their constituency. Dems need to be careful not to make too much about this to tire out the swing voters.

Sirona
10-06-2006, 02:16 PM
The difference here is that he was stalking the boys. (shows up drunk at their dorms and has to be turned away by security - offers a boy a trip to his house in exchange for a sex act)

The media is over-doing this, IMO. He's gone - we need to find out who knew about his actions and helped harbor him for the last 11 years so they can feel a little pain. But that's it.

Although I think that 30 days from now, this helps the Republicans by rallying their constituency. Dems need to be careful not to make too much about this to tire out the swing voters.

Yup, I agree whole heartedly. I was just commenting on what Yek had said about being sick of reading about everyones sex lives. IN general I could give a shit less what people do but when it's a case of someone like Foley it's a different ball of wax. The sad thing is it's doubtful anything will happen.

Beauty's Release
10-06-2006, 02:38 PM
I see this as a sexual harassment/misuse of power thing. I don't believe that the word pedophile is the right terminology, but he is still a douche.

In Canada the age of consent is pretty low, but in situations where the older person has authority over the younger, the rules change.

I liked Colbert's response to this news. :D

Paisley
10-06-2006, 03:35 PM
I agree that pedophilia is pre-pubescent kids. 16 is the age of consent in most states. I still think that Foley is weird though.

The media is overdoing it, but if he were a democrat accused of similar actions. The republicans would have a complete lynch mob about it. Look at how freaked out they were about Clinton getting a blow job from a fully consenting adult.

Fawn
10-07-2006, 01:37 AM
I was just reflecting today on how much I have changed since I was 16. A person attracted to a 16 yr old may be a hebophile and not a pedophile, but a 16 yr old is a child.

I was talked into many things by perverts when I was 16, and I was a smart kid in most circumstances, but I was also naive when it came to older men manipulating me. It is far easier to manipulate someone so young than it would be to manipulate soemone even only a few years older at say 20 or so.

16 is a child... age of consent or not, 16 is still a chubby faced child, with a gulable and moldable mind.....that can easily be manipulated. This man is not only a douche, he should rot in hell for trying to take advantage of innocence and naivete.

kittygirl
10-07-2006, 03:01 AM
^^^^Totally agree. I don't feel I reached adulthood until my mid-20's.

They've actually done studies on brain maturity and it reaches adult brain around 24. Can't cite, but interesting. I'm sure a lot of older people would agree.

Oh, I certainly felt super mature at 16, and I was street smart as hell, but still a dumbfuck when it came to older men and wisdom.

I don't really care what some entitled men in your parts have decided what age they feel comfortable fucking little girls at. I'm an anarchist and I'd still fuck you up if you tried to fuck my 16 yr old kid as an older guy.

Kids should fuck kids, if anything.

For those who feel this issue is a waste of time, yet have time to rant about it, you win the "you must definitely not be a prude and we're very proud of you award"

I might have argued the same tack in my early twenties trying to convince myself I so had not been used, compromised, or manipulated. Too bad, I was wrong.

Peace, just don't think that making little kids fuckable makes you sexually open or tolerant.

sc0101
10-07-2006, 01:07 PM
I was just reflecting today on how much I have changed since I was 16. A person attracted to a 16 yr old may be a hebophile and not a pedophile, but a 16 yr old is a child.

I was talked into many things by perverts when I was 16, and I was a smart kid in most circumstances, but I was also naive when it came to older men manipulating me. It is far easier to manipulate someone so young than it would be to manipulate soemone even only a few years older at say 20 or so.

16 is a child... age of consent or not, 16 is still a chubby faced child, with a gulable and moldable mind.....that can easily be manipulated. This man is not only a douche, he should rot in hell for trying to take advantage of innocence and naivete.


I think it depends on the person. At 16 I was more mature and grounded than most adults.

kittygirl
10-07-2006, 02:30 PM
I know what you mean about some 16 year olds feeling more mature than some adults,

but, I also believe the wisdom learned from actual experiences in life (which take TIME to happen) is the most valuable maturity and knowledge and wisdom

For me my late twenties was a time I had accrued just enough experiences to see that my teenage thoughts, smarts, and ideas were those of a child

This is why I think older people becomme outraged at old pervert/teen fetishes. They can see the difference only time will allow.

Yes, some 16 year olds are smart, but anyone over 30 who ain't a pervert knows they are kids no matter what they think

Just an aside, but I believe people become more insecure with age on the level of you realize how much you really don't know and gain humility as you grow. Nothing lke the cockiness of the 18 yr old. I thought I knew it all better than every adult who had ever come before...

Now I laugh at that. Still wish I had that ego though.

Will
10-07-2006, 02:51 PM
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what Mark Foley did with underaged boys online, but something is alittle annoying and deceiving. They keep calling him a pedophile. I believe technically you have to be involved with children under 12 to get branded that name. They keep referring to 16 year old boys as children. They are not children! Like I said, I don't support or stand by him doing this and being the ultimate hypocrite, but why is the media putting false words out there?

That's pretty typical of people trying to paint a picture. As an example, anti gun groups like to use the stat "12 children per day die from hanguns" One little problem, the include in that figure 18 year old gang members shooting at each other. The CDC defines a child as under 14 I recall. Using the correct term for child, it's actually less then one per day. That's one too many, but 12 per day it aint. A bit OT from the topic I know, but it's a perfect example of how stats are invented to sway opinion. Is the guy a pedophile? Not sure. He's just a scumbag who likes teenage boys, but how many older men are there that like 16 year old girls? Far more then we might want to admit.

azcustomer
10-07-2006, 09:22 PM
That's pretty typical of people trying to paint a picture. As an example, anti gun groups like to use the stat "12 children per day die from hanguns" One little problem, the include in that figure 18 year odl gang members shooting at each other. The CDC defines a child as under 14 I recall. Using the correct term for child, it's actually less then one per day. That's one too many, but 12 per day it aint. A bit OT from the topic I know, but it's a perfect example of how stats are invented to swat opinion.

Will, while I agree with you on the part of your post I didn't quote (there are a lot of older men who lecher against young teenage girls), I would also like to point out:

Most people I know who are vocal about gun rights have never seen someone get killed by a handgun. I have. Most people also haven't seen someone get killed by police shooting. I have.

I am 100% certain that having the opportunity to witness those events would change your mind about gun rights.

I'm sorry, but I get tired of tough talk from those who have never walked the walk.

Will
10-08-2006, 06:44 AM
Will, while I agree with you on the part of your post I didn't quote (there are a lot of older men who lecher against young teenage girls), I would also like to point out:

Most people I know who are vocal about gun rights have never seen someone get killed by a handgun. I have. Most people also haven't seen someone get killed by police shooting. I have.

I am 100% certain that having the opportunity to witness those events would change your mind about gun rights.

I'm sorry, but I get tired of tough talk from those who have never walked the walk.

You are dead wrong on all accounts and know nothing about me or my experiences. I have had a gun pointed at me. Being this is not a gun thread or a gun related forum, I am not going to bother beyond this other then to say, you're wrong on all accounts.