View Full Version : Extremist jews in Israel(Warning!)
GURU OF $IN
10-09-2006, 02:03 PM
Some other pics
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/kill-arabs.jpg
http://www.rcnv.org/gaza/photos%20for%20web/graffitti%20in%20Hebron-%20KILL%20ARABS%20(8-13-03).jpg
Israeli settlers attacking a plestinian family( video available on telrumeidaproject
http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20photo%20negatives/2005%20news%20photo%20originals/February/israeli_settlers_17f5.jpg
Settlers poison sheep
http://www.poica.org/editor/case_studies/sheep.jpg
GURU OF $IN
10-09-2006, 02:05 PM
This is how the "peaceful" israeli settler looks like:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/armed-settlers.gif
More hate by the jewish settlers
http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/sitebuilder/images/g4-444x329.jpg
http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/sitebuilder/images/g8-450x322.jpg
2 settlers harrassing a palestinian woman
http://www.al-awdasandiego.org/images/settlers.jpg
GURU OF $IN
10-09-2006, 02:06 PM
They tried to burn man alive
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40604000/jpg/_40604723_nablusattack203.jpg
Settlers threw a molotov at this child
http://www.halturnershow.com/18a.jpg
kiled this young boy
http://judicial-inc.biz/pics/Pag_9_36.jpg
this settler has been notorious for paying a visit to palestinian farmers and harrassing them.
http://www.bobmay.info/images/settlers/eldergunman.jpg
GURU OF $IN
10-09-2006, 02:06 PM
Another peaceful israeli settler
http://home.att.net/~texmextex/Settlers/settler_5.jpg
and when arabs strike back, they are called terrorists brainwashed by an ideology. Well my friends it is these extremists that create arab terrorists.
more pics on these extremists can be found here:
http://home.att.net/~texmextex/Settlers/Settlers.htm
It is important to note that there are many Israelis against these terrorists,and who support peace just as there are many arabs against islamic terrorism and support peace.
We must all be against extremism from whoever it comes and we must support peace.
Dont support jewish extremists by attacking muslim extremists, and vice versa.
support peace, fight all extremism
Deogol
10-09-2006, 02:35 PM
The Reality:
OK. I'll bite the bait.
What does "Stop the occupation mean?"
How is the occupation eliminated?
Deogol
10-09-2006, 02:38 PM
They tried to burn man alive
Do you really want me to start posting beheading videos of jews and gentiles?
Perhaps beheading videos that took place thousands of miles away from Israel and yet you would defend as the result of jewish extremists?
Or is there something else going on in the arabian culture demanding so much blood?
I cheer your disdain for extremism on both sides - but perhaps it is the arabs who are making the extremists?
I know when the world trade bombers attacked, there was a guy standing in the middle of the apartment complex yelling "All you fucking foreigners go home! Get out of my fucking country!"
Unfortunately most of them were Indian and Pakistani living there.
But that night a few more extremists were made alright. And not a jew was in sight.
lunchbox
10-09-2006, 02:42 PM
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=853533&postcount=10
I think this response is more than enough. I have to go pick up my car.
I'll post pictures of militant Muslims worldwide for you tomorrow. And you can tell us again why the extremist Jews are so much more dangerous, don't forget to claim all the while not to be an anti-semite...
Fan_Dancer
10-09-2006, 03:04 PM
I'll post pictures of militant Muslims worldwide for you tomorrow. And you can tell us again why the extremist Jews are so much more dangerous, don't forget to claim all the while not to be an anti-semite...
I think you missed the point. The point isn't that one is worse than the other. The point is that extreemist behavior is fucked up no matter what religion or nationality is doing it.
GURU OF $IN
10-09-2006, 03:34 PM
thanks for all who understood my point
and again another point I want to stress is:
Dont support jewish extremists because there are muslim extremists, or support muslim extremists because there are jewish extremists.Stop them all.
azcustomer
10-09-2006, 04:50 PM
^^^^^ Thanks for the valid point. Extremists exist from every fold, even here in America. Gun toting hate mongers typically know very little about what they are fighting for. They just like to fight.
BTW Deogol - the Occupation which is referred to is Israel's occupation of land they took back in the six days war. There is a lot of confusion about their intentions to keep the land or give it back. Certainly the muslims who lived on the land who are now refugees are seeking a peaceful existence. Unfortunately some opportunists have tried to expell them without the sanctions of Israel - this contributes greatly to the conflict.
Deogol
10-09-2006, 05:26 PM
BTW Deogol - the Occupation which is referred to is Israel's occupation of land they took back in the six days war. There is a lot of confusion about their intentions to keep the land or give it back. Certainly the muslims who lived on the land who are now refugees are seeking a peaceful existence. Unfortunately some opportunists have tried to expell them without the sanctions of Israel - this contributes greatly to the conflict.
This is where I am confused. Some say it is Gaza and the West Bank (mostly western sources.) Others seem to imply it is all of Israel (aka Iran, Syria, etc.)
Yekhefah
10-09-2006, 06:42 PM
If all they want is a return to the 1967 borders, then why did they attack in 1967? ::)
They don't want coexistence. They want Israel eliminated, and the Jews killed. Nothing short of that will satisfy them. So our options are to lie down and die to make them happy, or kill them until they stop killing us.
GURU OF $IN
10-09-2006, 06:44 PM
Nothing short of that will satisfy them. So our options are to lie down and die to make them happy
you know thats not a bad idea ;D
hardkandee
10-09-2006, 07:48 PM
you know thats not a bad idea ;D
It is when you are the one being asked to lie down. No one wants to be walked over.
GURU OF $IN
10-09-2006, 07:51 PM
well if we want to talk about who attacked first? definitely its Israel.
However we wont go into history details right now.
azcustomer
10-09-2006, 07:54 PM
If all they want is a return to the 1967 borders, then why did they attack in 1967? ::)
Holy Crap!!!!!!
Yek - if you want to get credit for being a convert, you may want to even get Israel's tale of history accurate. Ummmmmm - Israel openly admits that they initiated the attacks in 1967 (in fact, they're strangely proud of it). There isn't anyone out there who disputes this fact. That's about as ignorant as those who question the holocost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Like I said before - those who advocate the use of violence are typically the most ignorant. All extremists are bad - and they depend upon extremists on the other side to be just as ignorant and use poor judgment.
Deogol
10-09-2006, 07:55 PM
Quote:
Nothing short of that will satisfy them. So our options are to lie down and die to make them happy
you know thats not a bad idea ;D
You just lost all credibility with me.
Fan_Dancer
10-09-2006, 08:44 PM
They don't want coexistence. They want Israel eliminated, and the Jews killed. Nothing short of that will satisfy them. So our options are to lie down and die to make them happy, or kill them until they stop killing us.
Why become what you oppose? You oppose their acts of violence, right? So why promote your side doing the very same things? Could it be that you don't want to have coexistence? I would hope not :-\
If you wish to see coexistence then why not promote and support coexistence rather than promote and support more death and violence ? If you see it as wrong to see innocent Jewish people hurt and killed then is not just as wrong
to see innocent Muslims hurt or killed?
Do you think killing or harming an innocent person is wrong? Yes or No?
If your answer is yes then why does it matter what religion or nationality they are? Do you really feel that a Jewish person is more worthy of life than a Muslim? If not then why not oppose the violence being commited by BOTH ? Why only Muslims?
GURU OF $IN
10-09-2006, 08:47 PM
You just lost all credibility with me.
oh $hit
Fan_Dancer
10-09-2006, 08:49 PM
you know thats not a bad idea ;D
WTF! Now that statement just fucked up. >:(
I don't believe in violence in responce to violence but I also wouldn't tell someone to just "lie down" and take it either. There is such thing as a middle ground.
GURU OF $IN
10-09-2006, 08:50 PM
Do you really feel that a Jewish person is more worthy of life than a Muslim?
“1 Million Arabs Not Worth A Jewish Fingernail”
Those were the words of extremist Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, who murdered praying Palestinians back in 1994.
About 2 years ago, another Rabbi said its ok if innocent palestinians die or are killed to save a jewish fingernail.
The problem among extremists is that they have the"I am the chosen one" "God is with me" kind of mentality.
I pray that these people find love in their heart, not the hatred that I am seeing.
GURU OF $IN
10-09-2006, 08:54 PM
I don't believe in violence in responce to violence
there was an ongoing debate actually on whether you fight evil with evil or you fight evil with good?
what do you think?
you fight fire with fire ,or fight fire with water?
Fan_Dancer
10-09-2006, 09:27 PM
The problem among extremists is that they have the"I am the chosen one" "God is with me" kind of mentality.
I pray that these people find love in their heart, not the hatred that I am seeing.
We are very much on the same page there.
what do you think?
you fight fire with fire ,or fight fire with water?
Water. Just like you fight ignorance with knowledge.
lunchbox
10-10-2006, 07:48 AM
If it is a problem with extremists why are you only pointing your finger at incidents involving the Jewish ones? You are making a case that Jews are the source of terrorism and extremist Islam. You can intersperse 'I'm not an anti-Semite' in there all you want. However, so long as you will not recognize there is terrorism worldwide stemming from militant Islam, which has nothing to do with Jews, you sound like are being an anti-Semitic.
Can we not talk about the fighting between Hindus and Muslims? How about what is going on in Indonesia http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=4060. Muslims killing Buddhists in Thailand. Muslims fighting with the Chinese.
What is the common theme? How can you be blind to where the most apparent danger is coming from? With everything going on in the world, you decide to say this: "Jewish fundamentalists are very dangerous and very racist and must be dealt with as soon as possible.I will post more on this topic later on."
Extreme Muslims are at war with the world, but it's the Jewish settlers fighting with one group, over a shitty desert, is what you HAVE to post more about? Then you expect us to believe you are not anti-Semitic? How stupid are you? Better yet how stupid do you think we are?
If you do not want to offend, then do not single out one group in one region. It's not that hard. Why have you only chosen to only post examples of and discuss Jews, if you don't want to offend anyone? I get it, it's not that you want to offend, you want to incite? I get it...
“1 Million Arabs Not Worth A Jewish Fingernail”
Those were the words of extremist Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, who murdered praying Palestinians back in 1994.
About 2 years ago, another Rabbi said its ok if innocent palestinians die or are killed to save a jewish fingernail.
The problem among extremists is that they have the"I am the chosen one" "God is with me" kind of mentality.
I pray that these people find love in their heart, not the hatred that I am seeing.
Did you ever hear of the Yom Kippur war? I see we are sourcing Wiki now, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War Arab nations invaded on the holiest day in the Jewish year.
This war ended the the War of Attrition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition) ceasefire of 1970... And that war was a violation of 1967 UN resolution 242, President Nasser "What was taken by force must be restored by force." I read that as: 'Fuck you, I'm killing Jews!'
I already mentioned the fact that Israel has been attacked since Day 1, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War, by SEVEN nations, aka the Arab League.
Hmmm, was it the land of milk and honey for all before the creation of Israel?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Palestine_riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Uprising
I guess not.
you fight fire with fire ,or fight fire with water?
It depends on the type of fire, as if we needed more proof of your miopic view of the world...
azcustomer
10-10-2006, 08:04 AM
However, so long as you will not recognize there is terrorism worldwide stemming from militant Islam, which has nothing to do with Jews, you sound like are being an anti-Semitic.
Probably the second dumbest statement in this thread. Read it again and see if you made any sense.
As for anyone being in violation of UN resolution 242 - ummmmm - that resolution calls for Israel to hand over the land they took in 1967 - they've been in violation of UN resolution 242 from the beginning. In fact, Israel's neighbors used UN resolution 242 as JUSTIFICATION for attacking three years later.
But hey - at least you're starting to do some homework and educate yourself. Keep trying and eventually you may just figure out who is to blame for the violence in the region.
Try reading the links you provided. Back in the early 1900's, the locals fought British occupation. And the British used the Jewish police as their goon squad. After WWII, Britan knew they had to pull out of the region and handed over some of their lands to the Jews, who were in the minority. They've continued their goon squad type rule of the lands to this day.
Yekhefah
10-10-2006, 09:15 AM
The first strike in that war was made when Israel attacked Egypt.
Yes, and why was that? Because Egypt sent flowers?
A pre-emptive strike can still be completely defensive. In fact, that's the idea behind "pre-emptive."
you know thats not a bad idea
A little bit of honesty is refreshing from you. You should try it more often.
You oppose their acts of violence, right? So why promote your side doing the very same things? Could it be that you don't want to have coexistence?
I don't want coexistence with murderers and thugs who are out to destroy my people, no. I would LOVE to see peaceful coexistence, but that requires BOTH sides to live in peace. When one side absolutely doesn't want peace and refuses to stop fighting, then peaceful coexistence is just a fantasy.
The Arabs have expressly stated many times that their goal is the complete annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people, and that nothing will satisfy them until they reach that goal. So if Israel just up and stopped fighting, that wouldn't bring about peace. It would just make it easier for them to slaughter us, and it would bring about our own annihilation.
And then as soon as they were done with us, they would turn on Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and everyone else they are at war with. This is a quest to turn the whole world into an Islamic theocracy. And then once that happened, there would still be endless war over which version of Islam to implement; just look at all the fighting in the Arab world. That's simply the nature of the beast, but that's another thread.
The point is that this whole philosophy of "if Israel stops fighting, then the war will stop" is not grounded in reality. Israel is in the defensive position here. The war will stop when the aggressor - the Arab side - stops murdering innocents. Until they stop, we have to keep defending ourselves or we will just be massacred even more.
Fan_Dancer
10-10-2006, 09:33 AM
I don't want coexistence with murderers and thugs who are out to destroy my people, no. I would LOVE to see peaceful coexistence, but that requires BOTH sides to live in peace.
Why not be the change you wish to see?
Why would you promote violence if you want peace?
As long as both sides continue to do retailitory acts of violence it will be a never ending cycle which solves nothing and only results in more and more death.
You cannot control those who attack your people but you CAN control your reaction to such violence.
If you wish for peace the first step is to stop advocating violence.
Yekhefah
10-10-2006, 09:46 AM
*sigh* ::)
Yekhefah
10-10-2006, 10:06 AM
I think this sums up the opinion of certain posters here... how much sense does it make?
http://www.influenceiseasy.com/images/land.jpg
kdogg247
10-10-2006, 10:48 AM
Probably the second dumbest statement in this thread. Read it again and see if you made any sense.
So worldwide terror is not stemming from militant islam? Riiiight. ::)
azcustomer
10-10-2006, 11:05 AM
I don't want coexistence with murderers and thugs who are out to destroy my people, no. I would LOVE to see peaceful coexistence, but that requires BOTH sides to live in peace. When one side absolutely doesn't want peace and refuses to stop fighting, then peaceful coexistence is just a fantasy.
Yek, come back to reality. YOU don't live in Israel, and YOU don't have to coexist with Arabs.
There is a growing peace movement within Israeli Jews and Muslims. The problem is not helped by the ongoing expansion of illegal Israeli settlements on land clearly owned by Palestenians. Even some local Israeli Jews who are tired of all the problems stirred up by their own extremists are taking leagal action against the settlers:
http://www.peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=62&docid=1971
The Arabs have expressly stated many times that their goal is the complete annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people, and that nothing will satisfy them until they reach that goal. So if Israel just up and stopped fighting, that wouldn't bring about peace. It would just make it easier for them to slaughter us, and it would bring about our own annihilation.
Yek, please take off the tin hat and come back to earth.
SOME Arabs have expressed extremist views. And SOME Israeli Jews have expressed extremist views that they should expand their land further north and enslave the Arabs.
It doesn't help when your government follows the practice of breaking the hands of any suspected insurgent.
And then as soon as they were done with us, they would turn on Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and everyone else they are at war with. This is a quest to turn the whole world into an Islamic theocracy. And then once that happened, there would still be endless war over which version of Islam to implement; just look at all the fighting in the Arab world. That's simply the nature of the beast, but that's another thread.
While reading this blather, I picture the Robot from Lost in Space spinning around the room waving his arms: "Danger Will Robinson! Danger Will Robinson!"
The point is that this whole philosophy of "if Israel stops fighting, then the war will stop" is not grounded in reality. Israel is in the defensive position here. The war will stop when the aggressor - the Arab side - stops murdering innocents. Until they stop, we have to keep defending ourselves or we will just be massacred even more.
Israel is the aggressor, as even progressive Israeli Jews have figured out:
http://gush-shalom.org/
And yes, there are Arabs who want to co-exist peacefully - and they are showing thier courage:
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/3495
"What is also different is that Arab citizens of Israel have shown up in Tel Aviv in large numbers. Khulood Badawi sees this participation as a way of healing the deep wound of October 2000, when Israeli police opened fire on peaceful Arab demonstrators and killed 13 of them. After the massacre, Arab-Israelis stayed away from peace protests in Tel Aviv. “The age is over when we would accept Jewish partnership at any price,” Badawi says. “Today the connection is genuine, with Jewish activists paying the price of their participation by demonstrations against the wall in Bil'in, refusal to serve in the military, and activism at checkpoints. We have a common fate, but it is different than in the past. These demonstrations can help us out of the severed relations of October 2000. Now the Arab-Jewish partnership is egalitarian.”
Badawi told Ha'aretz , “When we speak from the stage—Yana in Russian, I in Arabic—that in itself is a political message. It also conveys to the Arab world that the claims by Israel and the U.S. that Jews and Arabs cannot live together is a false message.”"
So, Yek - since YOU aren't even Israeli YOU can't speak for the Israeli's who are working for peace. Continue your spewing of hatred, but WE won't aplogize for not accepting it.
azcustomer
10-10-2006, 11:13 AM
So worldwide terror is not stemming from militant islam? Riiiight. ::)
Go back and read your stupid statement about anti-semitism again. Eventually you'll figure out your error in logic.
Fan_Dancer
10-10-2006, 11:57 AM
*sigh* ::)
Sigh all you want but the reality is that if you want both your own people and innocent people of Islamic faith to continue being killed and suffering- then by all means continue to advocate violence. If you want to see the end of the suffering then stop promoting it.
You don't have to "lie down and take it" when your people are harmed. You could choose to advocate non violent protest of injustice instead.
As long as you promote violence then you are no better than your enemy. The same goes for the other side. If you really want to see peace then stop advocating violence.
It's up to each person which thing they want to promote. Death or life. It's really that simple.
I think this sums up the opinion of certain posters here... how much sense does it make?
http://www.influenceiseasy.com/images/land.jpg
That is bullshit and irrational.
Some of us just don't think it is ok for EITHER people of your faith OR people of Islamic faith to commit acts of violence. Or anyone else for that matter.
You seem to be saying it is ok to kill innocents as long as it is Israel or Jewish people who are doing it. I disagree. I think it is just as wrong for Isreal or Jewish people to do it as I do for Iran or ANY other country/religion/race/gender on planet earth to do it.
If you really want to see peace then stop advocating violence.
Yekhefah
10-10-2006, 12:04 PM
A nice sensible philosophy. But as a practical matter, what is a non-violent protest by Israeli citizens going to do to prevent their enemies from raining down rockets on their towns from outside their borders?
Fan_Dancer, I would really like to see your answer to this.
Fan_Dancer
10-10-2006, 12:22 PM
A nice sensible philosophy. But as a practical matter, what is a non-violent protest by Israeli citizens going to do to prevent their enemies from raining down rockets on their towns from outside their borders?
Well it would certainly make more of the world ALOT more sympathetic to their situation. That would in turn make people with power more willing to use things like sanctions and trade to influence those attacking Israel to stop.
I mean seriously, it is not like the path Israel has been taking has been successful in making them free of attack. Maybe it is time to for them to take the high road instead of behavior in similar ways as their enemy.
This conflict will continue until one or both sides stop advocating violence. It will not end until one or bothj sides involved realize that murder is not solving their problem.
azcustomer
10-10-2006, 12:31 PM
Fan_Dancer, I would really like to see your answer to this.
Yek, take off the tin hat long enough to acknowledge that the rockets were sent during an active war AFTER Israel invaded Lebanon. And the rockets didn't hit much - they were a joke.
Civil protests are effective means of spreading the message that it is acceptable to disagree with the hate and fear mongers. It is a slap in the face to the ignorant hate mongers with low self esteem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_peace_camp
kdogg247
10-10-2006, 02:06 PM
OK. I'll agree that not recognizing worldwide terror is stemming from militant islam does not necessarily make you anti-semitic. However, it does mean that you haven't been paying attention for the last five years.
lunchbox
10-10-2006, 02:25 PM
Well it would certainly make more of the world ALOT more sympathetic to their situation. That would in turn make people with power more willing to use things like sanctions and trade to influence those attacking Israel to stop.
Aren't you just a little idealist...
Because we don't need oil?
I mean seriously, it is not like the path Israel has been taking has been successful in making them free of attack. Maybe it is time to for them to take the high road instead of behavior in similar ways as their enemy.
Why won't you understand Israel has been under constant attack just for being? Don't take someone here's word for it, look it up for yourself. They were at war before they had a chance to start down a path.
Same ways? Could you please link me to an article about the Israeli suicide bomber? Or the Jews who were throwing stones as they were forced from Gaza? Speaking of Gaza http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ExodusFromGaza.html
This conflict will continue until one or both sides stop advocating violence. It will not end until one or bothj sides involved realize that murder is not solving their problem.
Israel was founded on guilt over the slaughter of 6 million Jews, and they will not leave room for someone to ask the same question next time, "why didn't they fight back?" Jews will not roll over this time, and who the fuck are you to ask it of them?
kdogg247
10-10-2006, 02:37 PM
^ good point. You know, I don't think you and I have ever agreed on anything before.
lunchbox
10-10-2006, 02:44 PM
^ good point. You know, I don't think you and I have ever agreed on anything before.
Atl rocks :)
Fan_Dancer
10-10-2006, 02:58 PM
Aren't you just a little idealist...?
sometimes, yes.
Why won't you understand Israel has been under constant attack just for being??
That is not the only reason. There is alot of revenge attacks occurring in this conflict-on both sides.
Same ways? Could you please link me to an article about the Israeli suicide bomber? ?
I was referring to bombing of civilians. Both sides of this conflict conduct bombings of the other sides civilian populations.
Jews will not roll over this time, and who the fuck are you to ask it of them?
I am not asking ANYONE to "roll over" I am asking people to stop advocating violence.
Why are you advocating the murder of civilians of any race/nationality/religion? Is a Muslim mother and her children not as worthy of life as a Jewish women and children? I find them equally worthy of being alive. If you agree then why would you support the murder or suffering of innocent people?
As long as people advocate violence as a way to solve their problems there will continue to be more death rather than solved problems.
If you really want to see the end this conflict you would start advocating non-violence protest of those you oppose. Support of violent actions adds fuel to the fire that is this conflict and does nothing to bring about peace.
Only an end to violence will bring peace.
azcustomer
10-10-2006, 03:06 PM
Aren't you just a little idealist...
Because we don't need oil?
Um, the oil producing nations in the region have nothing to do with any acts of agression against Israel. Try again.
Why won't you understand Israel has been under constant attack just for being? Don't take someone here's word for it, look it up for yourself. They were at war before they had a chance to start down a path.
The land Israel is on was taken by Britan who used the small Jewish police as their goon squad. Jews were in the vast minority at the time. Britan created Israel and put the Jews there in charge, which today may seem to have been a big mistake.
Same ways? Could you please link me to an article about the Israeli suicide bomber? Or the Jews who were throwing stones as they were forced from Gaza? Speaking of Gaza
There've been plenty of pictures and links posted in this thread already. We aren't going to do your work for you again.
Israel was founded on guilt over the slaughter of 6 million Jews, and they will not leave room for someone to ask the same question next time, "why didn't they fight back?" Jews will not roll over this time, and who the fuck are you to ask it of them?
It's a little ironic that the Nazi treatment of Jews during WWII is being used to justify putting thousands of Palestinians in camps, torturing them, etc.
Maybe the rest of the world should intervene to make sure nothing like that ever happens again.
lunchbox
10-10-2006, 03:18 PM
Probably the second dumbest statement in this thread. Read it again and see if you made any sense.
What is the dumbest?
- The subject of this thread? Because the people on this site are in grave danger of Israeli fundamentalist Jews knocking down the New York skyline?
- http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=850588&postcount=7 <<<< I hate extremism of all forms and to prove this to you, I will specifically rag only on the Jews, don't dare call me an antisemite.
- The OP's choice to post pictures of people who are probably required by law to carry their weapon at nearly all times, in conjunction with images of dead Palestinians, as if that door only swings one way?
- The fact that your response to everything is not to attempt an answer, but instead to post something else about the Jews or Israel?
As for anyone being in violation of UN resolution 242 - ummmmm - that resolution calls for Israel to hand over the land they took in 1967 - they've been in violation of UN resolution 242 from the beginning. In fact, Israel's neighbors used UN resolution 242 as JUSTIFICATION for attacking three years later.
You've miss read the time line of events, but that is just me nitpicking. What is the justification for the Arab League of seven nations attacking within the first year of Israel's founding? What was the subsequent provocation for the following 18 years of attacks by Arab nations leading up to the six day war?
But hey - at least you're starting to do some homework and educate yourself. Keep trying and eventually you may just figure out who is to blame for the violence in the region.
It took you long enough to finally come out say that you blame the Jews.
(continued)
lunchbox
10-10-2006, 03:18 PM
Try reading the links you provided. Back in the early 1900's, the locals fought British occupation. And the British used the Jewish police as their goon squad. After WWII, Britan knew they had to pull out of the region and handed over some of their lands to the Jews, who were in the minority. They've continued their goon squad type rule of the lands to this day.
I did, I guess you misread the part about the British denying Jews request for arms, so the Jews got their own... So a few thousand from the Jewish minority, was the goon squading a population of over half a million? That is a pretty big leap from what is mentioned in the wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah <<< your goon squad
"The predecessor of Haganah was Ha-Shomer (The Guild of Watchman) established in 1909. It was a small group of Jewish immigrants who guarded settlements for an annual fee. At no time did the group have more than 100 members.
After the Arab riots of 1920 and 1921, the Jewish leadership in Palestine believed that the British, whom the League of Nations had given the Mandate of Palestine in 1920, had no desire to confront the Arabs about attacks on the Palestinian Jews, and created the Haganah to protect their farmers and settlements."
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"Following the Arab 1929 Hebron massacre that led to the ethnic cleansing by the British authorities of all Jews from the city of Hebron, the Haganah's role changed dramatically." ... "It went from being an untrained militia to a capable army."
Let's see what the palestinians in fear of this "goon squad" were up to? Oh Shit! They were in bed with the Nazi's, united by a common hatred for Jews and the fact that they lost in WW1 just like Germany http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni#Nazi_ties_and_activities_during_World_War_ II.
Out of curiosity, do you find it disturbing that 'Palestinian leadership' was in bed with Nazi Germany during WW2, urging them to speed up the work done in concentration camps? Remember it is the remnants of the Ottoman Turk Empire put down in WW1, the empire that sacked Vienna (twice), and threatened the whole of Western Europe, not just a bunch goat herders.
Anyways, I find it interesting the you are criticizing me, after this (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=853842&postcount=67).
Holy Crap!!!
Did you bother to read the Wikipedia? After the Sinai Peninsula was handed over to the UN, Egypt invaded it and expelled all the UN troops. They began to mass soldiers along this border with Israel, and blockade Israeli ships. Syria and Jordan also began to mass troops along their border with Israel. Israel openly admits to a pre-emptive attack on the Egyptian Air force, as a result of all these things.
Now, after 19 years of conflict Israel strikes first, and that is what you choose to point at and say, "See it's the Jews provoking the Arabs!"
Do you smell what you are shoveling, or is it all lies propagated by the Western Media?
azcustomer
10-10-2006, 04:10 PM
There you go again, making us do our work twice, or three times:
So a few thousand from the Jewish minority, was the goon squading a population of over half a million? That is a pretty big leap from what is mentioned in the wikipedia.
From the Wiki article on the Haganah:
"In 1936 the Haganah fielded 10,000 mobilized men along with 40,000 reservists. ...Although the British administration did not officially recognize the Haganah, the British security forces cooperated with it by forming the Jewish Settlement Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Settlement_Police), Jewish Auxiliary Forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jewish_Auxiliary_Forces&action=edit) and Special Night Squads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Night_Squads)."
Out of curiosity, do you find it disturbing that 'Palestinian leadership' was in bed with Nazi Germany during WW2, urging them to speed up the work done in concentration camps? Remember it is the remnants of the Ottoman Turk Empire put down in WW1, the empire that sacked Vienna (twice), and threatened the whole of Western Europe, not just a bunch goat herders.
Um, you reference a person who was never considered a "Leader" of Palestinians. And go back and read your reference - he didn't ask them to speed up the work, he just asked Germany NOT to send any to Palestine.
As for Israel's continued insistence on terrorizing all muslims:
"The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917) asserted that the British Government "view[ed] with favour the establishment in Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_%28region%29) of a national home for the Jewish people"..."it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". This declaration was supported by a number of other countries, including the United States, and became more important following World War I, when the League of Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations) assigned the United Kingdom the Palestine mandate."
And that Ottoman Turk empire you are referring to um, came out of Macedonia? That's the "don't call us Macedonia because Greece won't let us use it, call us the Former Yugoslavian Republic".
And lest we all forget Israel's state sponsored terrorism:
The Lavon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
" In the summer of 1954 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954) Colonel Binyamin Gibli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binyamin_Gibli), the chief of Israel's military intelligence, Aman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aman_%28IDF%29), initiated Operation Suzannah ... The goal of the Operation was to carry out bombings and other acts of sabotage in Egypt with the aim of creating an atmosphere in which the British and American opponents of British withdrawal from Egypt would be able to gain the upper hand and block the withdrawal.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair#endnote_fn_1)"
Lies from Western media AGAINST Israel? LMFAO
Yekhefah
10-11-2006, 12:02 AM
Okay, Fan. I'll tell my friend whose house is regularly rattled by terrorist fire, and who has spent two harrowing nights under the kitchen table cradling her little daughter in the dark as bombs explode around her, that no one should protect her. After all, if her daughter is killed and no one protests or fights back, that'll make you "more sympathetic to the situation," and that's what really matters, right?
Yekhefah
10-11-2006, 12:05 AM
Um, the oil producing nations in the region have nothing to do with any acts of agression against Israel.
:O OMG, are you serious? I just coughed up my Diet Coke reading that. You're really serious??
GURU OF $IN
10-11-2006, 03:02 AM
Um, the oil producing nations in the region have nothing to do with any acts of agression against Israel.
right
thats true Yekhefah
Deogol
10-11-2006, 07:00 AM
right
thats true Yekhefah
One cannot have a sane conversation with the delusional.
lunchbox
10-11-2006, 08:54 AM
Um, the oil producing nations in the region have nothing to do with any acts of agression against Israel. Try again.
- Hezbollah, trained in Iran, funded by them as well.
- Arafat raised millions of dollars, where do you think that came from, date farmers?
- Saudi Arabia and Iraq were both members of the league of seven arab nations that attacked Israel when the nation was born.
The land Israel is on was taken by Britan who used the small Jewish police as their goon squad. Jews were in the vast minority at the time. Britan created Israel and put the Jews there in charge, which today may seem to have been a big mistake.
Lies.
The land Israel is on was lost when the Ottoman Turk Empire was put down. The UN put Britain in charge of the Middle East, and France in charge of Northern Africa.
This is called history, you can look it up.
It was a UN resolution (I gues that was mostly Britain at the time), divided the British Mandate of Palestine into two areas. A small sliver became Israel, and the much larger portion became Jordan.
There've been plenty of pictures and links posted in this thread already. We aren't going to do your work for you again.
I didn't know america was that, I thought point, click, and scroll was acceptable.
It's a little ironic that the Nazi treatment of Jews during WWII is being used to justify putting thousands of Palestinians in camps, torturing them, etc.
Whats Ironic is that their was a Muslim Nazi SS division, led by the Mufti of Jerusalem, who was friends with Hitler.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/29/schuster.column/index.html
"The idea of a Nazi-Islamic alliance dates back to World War II, when Adolf Hitler played host to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, that city's Muslim leader. Some Nazis, moreover, found refuge in places like Egypt and Syria after the war."
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/3-Moslems-praying_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg
"In 1943, Amin Al Husseini founded and lead the Hanzar Division of Muslim Nazis. Here they are engaged in traditional Muslim prayer."
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/Husseini-Hilter-Berlin.jpg
video containing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU
"Amin Al Husseini meets with Adolf Hitler in November 1942, weeks before the decision to implement the Final Solution which sent Europe's Jews to the gas chamber. The Third Reich provided Amin Al Husseini with a salary and appointed him Head of the Hanzar SS Division. The Hanzar Division was made of Nazi Muslims and implemented the genocide of 250,000 Serbs, Gypsies and Jews during WWII."
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/5-himmler_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg
"Amin Al Husseini shown shaking hands with his friend Heinrich Himmler, head of Hitler's SS. Amin Al Husseini asked Himmler if he could see the gasing of Jews first-hand in the concentration camps. Himmler granted him his wish."
Maybe the rest of the world should intervene to make sure nothing like that ever happens again.
The world doesn't care enough. They should have intervened when Israel was attacked by 7 other countries in 1948, but they didn't, and you have yet to respond to this.
They should have intervened when Egypt kicked out the UN forces on the Sinai pennisula which ultimatley led to the 6 day war, which you love to bring up... Lucky for you they didn't cause it gave you something to point at and blame everything that follows on the Jews...