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Bridgette
10-25-2006, 04:36 PM
PL is our very own stripperweb acronym for Pathetic Loser - what we lovingly call our customers like yourself. It's really not as bad as it sounds ;D

You're dreaming hun. Like I said, if you spend most of your money on strippers, you will NEVER have your own club. Never. Some dude mentioned that to you as a backhanded comment because he sees how much money you spend in the club. That joke was on you.

And oh yes, it is hard to get financial backing for such an investment. Guys like you always think this business is so easy. This part of your posts is the icing on the Ernesto Will Never Own a Strip Club cake.


All this aside, you are making me nostalgic with your handle. Ernesto was the name of a favorite ex-boyfriend ;D

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 04:49 PM
PL is our very own stripperweb acronym for Pathetic Loser - what we lovingly call our customers like yourself. It's really not as bad as it sounds ;D

You're dreaming hun. Like I said, if you spend most of your money on strippers, you will NEVER have your own club. Never. Some dude mentioned that to you as a backhanded comment because he sees how much money you spend in the club. That joke was on you.

And oh yes, it is hard to get financial backing for such an investment. Guys like you always think this business is so easy. This part of your posts is the icing on the Ernesto Will Never Own a Strip Club cake.


All this aside, you are making me nostalgic with your handle. Ernesto was the name of a favorite ex-boyfriend ;D


hahaha
it sounds plenty bad from here,
but i here it all the time where ever i go so...
yeah


yes i know i shouldnt spend so much money there
i know i realized it when i went in with a full paycheck in my
wallet, and came out with 100 bucks hahaha

thats the thing,
like any buisness its not easy ive realized it,
thats why i didnt intend on making such a venture on my own
because i dont have the buisness experience while my
associate does.

well if it doesnt work
out youll either see me
at the door working as a bouncer
or ill be at the front of the stage throwing singles up there haha

hahaha
ernesto
ive always hated my name
it just sounds so foreign and strange

cheers
-Ernesto

Bridgette
10-25-2006, 04:59 PM
Gotta love your name dude. My ex LOVED his name - say it loud and proud ;D

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 05:04 PM
Gotta love your name dude. My ex LOVED his name - say it loud and proud ;D


really i dont love my name
with racial tentions as high as they are in california
these days with all the isues of imigration and such
i always feel im looked at differently because of that name
but i digress, ive accepted it, i doubt ill go change my name anytime
soon haha


cheers
-Ernesto

Tina
10-25-2006, 05:12 PM
Buying a strip club is feasible and possible if a person has mastered the art of building corporate credit, sets their club up as a division of their parent corp, thus allowing them to disconnect the club's division or bankrupt it should things not work out, without affecting the main corporation, or it's other divisions.

That said, I don't feel a major metro area is the place for one to buy a club. Too many politics are involved in staying open.

Since I work bookings in small clubs in small towns in the Upper Midwest, I feel that is the way to go. Many ordinary people purchase clubs in those areas, and although many are run hands on by the owners, the cost of living is lower and so is the overhead.

Those clubs are open Mon-Sat from 5 until 1or 1:30, book 4-5 girls at $300-$400 a week base pay and bring in another 2-3 girls to work for tips. Each $20 dance the dancer pays $5 to the club which goes towards the base pay. So the bar and cover charge if any goes towards the bottom line, and the $5 per dance covers most if not all of the base pay.

You don't have to worry about any mafia megaclub trying to muscle you out of business in the small towns.

If you know how to build corporate credit, within 6 months you could have $100,000 or maybe several times that to get started with, which is more than enough to operate and purchase a smaller club.

The smaller town markets aren't full of macho hard head type guys such as what you have in LA. These small town older guys are lonely and willing to pay for company. A juice bar in LA will mostly attract hard head young customers who could give a fuck about buying dances. The Inland Empire areas are rough and you may have a lot of issues with gangs and weapons. Too many thug mentality guys live in the LA metro area. I am not against opening a strip club, because those who know how to set one up and incorporate properly can make money or use it as a write off for other corporate profits. There are better places to buy one than in So Cal.

pinkkitten
10-25-2006, 05:59 PM
I live in the inland empire and i have to drive an hour each way to work at a club that is neither topless, to restrictive and cheap, or a whorehouse. I do think we need more selection out here, in the form of a nude club where the dances are not ridiculously cheap (like fullnude, full contact 2 songs $25) or the other club where customers expect at least a handjob. The two nearest nude clubs to my house meet one or the other of those descriptions, and here in california there is no way i would do a full contact nude dance for less than 40 bucks. The rest of the clubs are topless, and in my opinion in this area the earning potential is much lower in topless dancing. I know most people have been less than supportive but i do hope that either you or someone else would open up a new full nude club around here. good luck.

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 06:35 PM
Buying a strip club is feasible and possible if a person has mastered the art of building corporate credit, sets their club up as a division of their parent corp, thus allowing them to disconnect the club's division or bankrupt it should things not work out, without affecting the main corporation, or it's other divisions.

That said, I don't feel a major metro area is the place for one to buy a club. Too many politics are involved in staying open.

Since I work bookings in small clubs in small towns in the Upper Midwest, I feel that is the way to go. Many ordinary people purchase clubs in those areas, and although many are run hands on by the owners, the cost of living is lower and so is the overhead.

Those clubs are open Mon-Sat from 5 until 1or 1:30, book 4-5 girls at $300-$400 a week base pay and bring in another 2-3 girls to work for tips. Each $20 dance the dancer pays $5 to the club which goes towards the base pay. So the bar and cover charge if any goes towards the bottom line, and the $5 per dance covers most if not all of the base pay.

You don't have to worry about any mafia megaclub trying to muscle you out of business in the small towns.

If you know how to build corporate credit, within 6 months you could have $100,000 or maybe several times that to get started with, which is more than enough to operate and purchase a smaller club.

The smaller town markets aren't full of macho hard head type guys such as what you have in LA. These small town older guys are lonely and willing to pay for company. A juice bar in LA will mostly attract hard head young customers who could give a fuck about buying dances. The Inland Empire areas are rough and you may have a lot of issues with gangs and weapons. Too many thug mentality guys live in the LA metro area. I am not against opening a strip club, because those who know how to set one up and incorporate properly can make money or use it as a write off for other corporate profits. There are better places to buy one than in So Cal.


omg Tina,
thank you for taking me seriously,
and not just telling me im stupid
and am doomed to fail,
thank you for not emediatly selling me short.

and yes,
i completely understand you when you say smaller towns are a better way to go,
i had origionally intended to start
somewhere between what is norco and what is temecula along I-15,
there are a few smaller towns along the way that would be prime locations.
and i thought about the corporate deal,
with incorporating in nevada for the cheaper corporate tax,
and the lower liability to my self and my buisness partners personal assets

but at the club i go to most of the time
they have a lot more girls
than you have said,
but i suppose i should start with less girls
and then add more dancers as we start
to get a more regular customer bass

oh
and once again thank you for
not just selling me short right off the bat

ive also been told that i would have to give
"kick backs" to the city
that seemed about right
but what kind of figures are we talking here?



cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 06:41 PM
I live in the inland empire and i have to drive an hour each way to work at a club that is neither topless, to restrictive and cheap, or a whorehouse. I do think we need more selection out here, in the form of a nude club where the dances are not ridiculously cheap (like fullnude, full contact 2 songs $25) or the other club where customers expect at least a handjob. The two nearest nude clubs to my house meet one or the other of those descriptions, and here in california there is no way i would do a full contact nude dance for less than 40 bucks. The rest of the clubs are topless, and in my opinion in this area the earning potential is much lower in topless dancing. I know most people have been less than supportive but i do hope that either you or someone else would open up a new full nude club around here. good luck.

well,
i was thinking full
nude,
no alchohol
18+ so you can get the 18-20 demographic

25 for a lap dance thats only topless
and 40 for one song nude

vip
120 for 3 songs


and yes i am going to open it,
its at least a year away
but have it for certain it will.


financial backing will never be an issue


there are many clubs

along I-10 in san bernardino county

but

i hear bad things about manegment in most of these establishments

the money at tropical lei in upland is good but girls get a lot of
grief from the bouncers and the djs there.


i hope you can find a good club to work at

at least until mine opens its doors lol

cheers
-Ernesto

GoldCoastGirl
10-25-2006, 07:37 PM
I'm not against people opening clubs up as competitions is a healthy thing in such an economy as USA and AU ...........I am against people who have more money than sense opening up a club when there are PLENTY of other business opportunities out there for you to sink money into that has a higher chance of actually succeeding.

Have you actually looked outside the nightclub and sex industries ? There are PLENTY of other industries with plenty of other opportunities.

After working in strip clubs, it is the last thing I would actually want to own! Even here in Australia which doesn't seem to be so restrictive as USA.

Oh as for you wanting to attract the 18-20 demographic - they aren't worth attracting IMO. The legal age here in Australia is 18 and all the clubs I have ever worked in I can definatley say that I do not make my money on anyone below the age of 20.

Usually they don't bother as they can get some gal in the local nightclub so why the hell should they part with their precious dollars for a tease/lap dance ? Think about it.

Have you done enough research on your 18-20 year old demographic?

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 07:51 PM
I'm not against people opening clubs up as competitions is a healthy thing in such an economy as USA and AU ...........I am against people who have more money than sense opening up a club when there are PLENTY of other business opportunities out there for you to sink money into that has a higher chance of actually succeeding.

Have you actually looked outside the nightclub and sex industries ? There are PLENTY of other industries with plenty of other opportunities.

After working in strip clubs, it is the last thing I would actually want to own! Even here in Australia which doesn't seem to be so restrictive as USA.

Oh as for you wanting to attract the 18-20 demographic - they aren't worth attracting IMO. The legal age here in Australia is 18 and all the clubs I have ever worked in I can definatley say that I do not make my money on anyone below the age of 20.

Usually they don't bother as they can get some gal in the local nightclub so why the hell should they part with their precious dollars for a tease/lap dance ? Think about it.

Have you done enough research on your 18-20 year old demographic?


i actually have looked into a few other industries,
nothing retail or food service,
those dont seem to be worth while.

i have looked into some commercial buisnesses
such as, owning a fleet or tow trucks, or sweepers
or even logistics.

but those dont quite draw my attention as the adult entertainment industry

as far as researching the 18-20 demographic goes,
theres my self and about 10 people under the age of 20 i know
that frequently visit these places
and the fact that everytime i go to a strip club theres plenty of guys that
are barely legal in there enjoying the show.
or maybe its just me but i always make it worth the dancers while
and so do my friends,
and no we are not rich kids with trust funds.
bottom line is theres plenty of money to be made from young guys
in fact some of the older guys are cheaper.

cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 08:22 PM
I'll give 100 to 1 odds that Enesto's strip club fails miserably in the first year. Any takers???


wow
thats a bold statement come from a guy
whos name is SC_dude hahaha
but thats fine.

say what you will,
if i fail ill just pick up and try again,
you under estimate me way to much.

I never said I was doing it alone
I also never said I wasnt hiring experienced
professionals to aid in the start up process.

but thanks for the kinds words

cheers
-Ernesto


p.s.
ill take that bet

Lysondra
10-25-2006, 08:38 PM
You said the guys were enjoying the show. They always enjoy...they just never spend money. Cater to richer clientel. Also, you're under twenty?! I wouldn't trust you to fix my computer let alone run my company. You really do have NO idea.

hardkandee
10-25-2006, 08:51 PM
I'm with lilithmorrigan.
The 18-21 year old crowd is worthless. They don't have much of an income and are certainly not the type of repeat customers that you would make money off of. Instead of trying to get rich off kids, skip the middleman and go straight to dad's pockets.

hardkandee
10-25-2006, 08:56 PM
Or you could always just buy a pre-existing club. ;)
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74477

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 09:04 PM
You said the guys were enjoying the show. They always enjoy...they just never spend money. Cater to richer clientel. Also, you're under twenty?! I wouldn't trust you to fix my computer let alone run my company. You really do have NO idea.

yeah
i enjoy the show but i
spend liberally as well
and the people i go with too,
but there are some that are cheap too
well every time i go i hit the vip at least 2 or 3 times
and i see young guys going to the vip all the time
like every demographic so its a bit of a push hahaha
are you sure you wouldnt trust me to fix your pc?
im cisco and compTIA cetified


cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 09:06 PM
I'm with lilithmorrigan.
The 18-21 year old crowd is worthless. They don't have much of an income and are certainly not the type of repeat customers that you would make money off of. Instead of trying to get rich off kids, skip the middleman and go straight to dad's pockets.



but im young,
im not rich and dont feed off dad,
in fact i support mom and lil bro.
when i go
spend hundreds and
im a repeat customer,
but i know what you mean
not everyone is like me.
and i probably am better of
going for the people
with expense accounts and
lots of spare cash


cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 09:12 PM
Or you could always just buy a pre-existing club. ;)
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74477


yes thats a possibility
but not something advertised by
thebarbroker.com
or stripclubbroker.com
or anything else they are affiliated with,
i dont trust them everything they run is way
too shady for me.

but she did post the address
im sure the owner him/herself
would be a better source

thanks for this post :-)

cheers
-Ernesto

Lysondra
10-25-2006, 09:17 PM
Alright let me put it this way. Do you think you'll make more in ten-twenty years or the same? So, wouldn't you, even if you have money now, have even more to spend in the future? Older people have more money, fact of life.

gingerlee
10-25-2006, 09:23 PM
Um, so not being bitchy, but I've been all over this country, nice clubs, crappy clubs, and everything in between. I am yet to have the "kids" (18-20 year olds) make up a large portion of the money I make each night. Even in military towns where most of the guys are young, it's the 21+ guys that tended to spend more money.
I'm only 22, and I know damn well throwing a ton of money into a club at my age would be basically throwing it out the window. City council, politicians, etc. don't normally take people that are so young that seriously, especially if they can sense you don't 100% know what you are doing.If it was that easy don't you think every guy that likes strip clubs would be opening up shop?

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 09:29 PM
Um, so not being bitchy, but I've been all over this country, nice clubs, crappy clubs, and everything in between. I am yet to have the "kids" (18-20 year olds) make up a large portion of the money I make each night. Even in military towns where most of the guys are young, it's the 21+ guys that tended to spend more money.
I'm only 22, and I know damn well throwing a ton of money into a club at my age would be basically throwing it out the window. City council, politicians, etc. don't normally take people that are so young that seriously, especially if they can sense you don't 100% know what you are doing.If it was that easy don't you think every guy that likes strip clubs would be opening up shop?


yeah,
i knwo what you mean,
and yeah most guys my age dont spend a lot
there, i do lol. I suppose I am the exception,
and I dont know all that much about buisness
and such, but my buisness partner Is 25
and he already owns a buisness, so Im getting
a lot of help from him in terms of learning
all the legal aspects and everything on paper.

but like ive admited myself,
I am young and I dont know what I am doing
thats why I am getting help from everywhere I can.

cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 09:35 PM
Alright let me put it this way. Do you think you'll make more in ten-twenty years or the same? So, wouldn't you, even if you have money now, have even more to spend in the future? Older people have more money, fact of life.

yeah that is true,
but I am ambitious.
I hope to be making the kind of money i would be making at 30 or 40
when im in my 20's
theres a 90% chance I will fail,
but I look at the glass as half full lol


cheers
-Ernesto

hardkandee
10-25-2006, 09:39 PM
theres a 90% chance I will fail,
but I look at the glass as half full lol


Except a half full/empty glass has 50%. ;)

If you think you have a 90% chance of failure is it really worth screwing up a financial situation so early in life? :O

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 09:49 PM
Except a half full/empty glass has 50%. ;)

If you think you have a 90% chance of failure is it really worth screwing up a financial situation so early in life? :O

yes
it is 50/50
but the odds are futher against me.
Well,
it could go either way,
yes it could be a huge screw up,
before im even old enough to drink,
but the risk could he worth it if its a success.
If it doesnt work out, Ill at least know I tried.
Chances are I'll try again.


cheers
-Ernesto

gingerlee
10-25-2006, 09:51 PM
Ok, I will put it this way....

I was at a club's grand opening with another feature last week. This club was opened by guys that owned clubs in the same town as this one, and the other clubs are VERY successful. It is in a building that used to be a strip club, so it's not like they built a new place in a lot where nothing has ever been before. It's a beautiful club with top notch everything, they spent serious money putting this place together.

There was a VIP private party on Wednesday and girls were making money hand over fist. Seriously, it was nuts. But they opened for business for the general public on Thursday and it was past dead. It was dead the rest of the week. I don't think it's any one thing that they have done, it's just going to take a while to build up the customers, but they have the $$$$$ to plunk down in the meantime to let girls have free housefee and other things to get them to stay.

Basically, if you don't have the $$ to lose your ass for a while, and you think you have a 90% chance of failing, why invest in a SC? Even if you are doing something else that's not as "fun" or whatever makes having a SC appealing to you, wouldn't you rather have money to spend to support yourself and your family? Life isn't fun for most people at their jobs, sorry but that's the reality of it.

Tina
10-25-2006, 09:55 PM
I am not being a half empty type of person, but California is not the place to go. Plus, starting a club from scratch is very likely to meet resistance no matter where one goes.

Buying an existing club is the only thing that will work as most of them are grandfathered in.

And the states that offer the best chance for success are Montana, South Dakota, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and western rural Illinois in small towns of less than 30,000 people. Research all the clubs in those areas, and there are probably some owners who already have liquor licenses, and who would be willing to sell where the chance of increasing the business exists, and you can operate with minimal legal hassles. Rural communities with family farming as the predominant source of income offer a decent bet of your getting into this business and staying in business. Most other states just aren't the same, and I have been in a lot of them and danced in over 20 states.

In the heavily populated states, a small club owner has to have a glitzier operation to attract money spending customers. In the states I mentioned small town guys with money go to the modest looking clubs and aren't concerned about how fancy the building looks.

California is just too populated of a state and strip club regulations are too abundant there.

If you REALLY want to break into the strip club business Ernesto, trust me and look into any clubs for sale in the small towns of the states I mentioned.

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 10:09 PM
I am not being a half empty type of person, but California is not the place to go. Plus, starting a club from scratch is very likely to meet resistance no matter where one goes.

Buying an existing club is the only thing that will work as most of them are grandfathered in.

And the states that offer the best chance for success are Montana, South Dakota, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and western rural Illinois in small towns of less than 30,000 people. Research all the clubs in those areas, and there are probably some owners who already have liquor licenses, and who would be willing to sell where the chance of increasing the business exists, and you can operate with minimal legal hassles. Rural communities with family farming as the predominant source of income offer a decent bet of your getting into this business and staying in business. Most other states just aren't the same, and I have been in a lot of them and danced in over 20 states.

In the heavily populated states, a small club owner has to have a glitzier operation to attract money spending customers. In the states I mentioned small town guys with money go to the modest looking clubs and aren't concerned about how fancy the building looks.

California is just too populated of a state and strip club regulations are too abundant there.

If you REALLY want to break into the strip club business Ernesto, trust me and look into any clubs for sale in the small towns of the states I mentioned.



thanks,
well that sounds about right,
and yes i looked into legislation in california and labor laws
and for a new establishment, there are a lot of regulations that would
make it very difficult to get started.

and yes i really do want to get into the business,
i will look into other states, you seem to have the savy to
make the business work,
so ill take your advice the utmost seriousness.

if i was to open a club in a rural area
like those you mentioned,
what kind of start up money would I be looking at
under 100,000?

cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 10:15 PM
Ok, I will put it this way....

I was at a club's grand opening with another feature last week. This club was opened by guys that owned clubs in the same town as this one, and the other clubs are VERY successful. It is in a building that used to be a strip club, so it's not like they built a new place in a lot where nothing has ever been before. It's a beautiful club with top notch everything, they spent serious money putting this place together.

There was a VIP private party on Wednesday and girls were making money hand over fist. Seriously, it was nuts. But they opened for business for the general public on Thursday and it was past dead. It was dead the rest of the week. I don't think it's any one thing that they have done, it's just going to take a while to build up the customers, but they have the $$$$$ to plunk down in the meantime to let girls have free housefee and other things to get them to stay.

Basically, if you don't have the $$ to lose your ass for a while, and you think you have a 90% chance of failing, why invest in a SC? Even if you are doing something else that's not as "fun" or whatever makes having a SC appealing to you, wouldn't you rather have money to spend to support yourself and your family? Life isn't fun for most people at their jobs, sorry but that's the reality of it.


yeah,
for sure, I need to support my self and my family,
Ive been doing that just fine. Im my job(s) arent
that fun or glamerous, but the bills get paid,
and I have enough left over to go blow
at the SC hahaha, yet I long for more
I want to be successful and become a business
owner so I can effectively be my own boss
and not work the hours i work now,
for the kind of pay i make now.
but its just something I and my associate wanted to do.
I guess time will tell, if I still want to do this.
thanks for all the great perspectives.


cheers
-Ernesto

Tina
10-25-2006, 10:20 PM
Possibly under $100,000. Many of the sellers carry notes. The main thing would be to have enough capital to "spruce" up the clubs. Remodel them to look like smaller versions of the better big city clubs, but still offer a "Cheers" type atmosphere and make sure the girls are well kept. Plus have enough capital to advertise and expand the current customer base. Many small owners don't do a good enough job of attracting new customers by tapping the thousands of men who travel the interstates daily alone, who would gladly stop at strip clubs along the way if they knew they existed.

xxernestoxx
10-25-2006, 10:25 PM
Possibly under $100,000. Many of the sellers carry notes. The main thing would be to have enough capital to "spruce" up the clubs. Remodel them to look like smaller versions of the better big city clubs, but still offer a "Cheers" type atmosphere and make sure the girls are well kept. Plus have enough capital to advertise and expand the current customer base. Many small owners don't do a good enough job of attracting new customers by tapping the thousands of men who travel the interstates daily alone, who would gladly stop at strip clubs along the way if they knew they existed.


okay that sounds like a good plan,
and sounds quit feasable,
and atainable.
Ill talk to my business partner
about going to another state
thank you so much Tina


cheers
-Ernesto

TigersMilk
10-25-2006, 10:53 PM
I am not being a half empty type of person, but California is not the place to go. Plus, starting a club from scratch is very likely to meet resistance no matter where one goes.



Thank you. Really this isnt the state to open a club. There are about 200 or more SC's in CA alone. The rules vary so much all over the state its confusing for customers when they dont understand they cant get the same dance they go in SF and not in SD. :P Eventhough many clubs remain open very few are actually good ones for dancers.

Why put money into something that has a 90% loss rate? /:O

miabella
10-25-2006, 11:14 PM
yeah, i find it very telling that stuff not involving naked ladies is 'not interesting enough' for him to invest his 400k in or whatever amount it is. millionaires get that way investing in 'boring' stuff like real estate, auto shops, construction, etc, not nudie bars. i mean, he insists on opening a NUDE club, he insists that 19 year olds spend exactly like 38 year olds, his business partner is a whopping 25 years old-- none of it quite adds up to 'can get a stripclub successfully running'.

i gotta say, if i had my hands on any amount above 200k in less than a year, the investing i'd be doing would NOT be in the sex industry. don't get me wrong, if one has to sell sex, better to be the one owning the candyshop, so to speak, but as already noted, there are more stable, higher long-term earning areas to invest in even if you are the one who owns.

Melonie
10-26-2006, 12:22 AM
i gotta say, if i had my hands on any amount above 200k in less than a year, the investing i'd be doing would NOT be in the sex industry. don't get me wrong, if one has to sell sex, better to be the one owning the candyshop, so to speak, but as already noted, there are more stable, higher long-term earning areas to invest in even if you are the one who owns.

Absolute agreement here (re owning the candystore). Given that you're probably talking about a $250,000 capital investment on the 'cheap end' to start up a modestly sized strip club in a modestly sized suburban / rural area, the chances of financial success would be much higher ... and the chances of potential legal / regulatory problems would be much lower ... by investing that money in to a XXX video production company or a XXX pay website instead. At least these 'sex businesses' are strongly protected by the First Amendment, which strip clubs are not !

Bridgette
10-26-2006, 03:09 AM
Seriously. Make it 21+ and keep the kids out. 99% of them can't afford to even buy one dance, and they take up space that other spending customers might use. They also create an environment that is NOT favorable for the guys who DO have money to spend, so they actually wind up killing alot of spending that would normally go on in a strip club.

The fact that you, Ernesto, might be a good customer does NOT translate to all the kids being good customers. Listen to those of us with the experience dude. You don't want to cater to the kids.

I still think it's a pipe dream though. Give it 10+ years, maybe.

xxernestoxx
10-26-2006, 05:03 AM
Thank you. Really this isnt the state to open a club. There are about 200 or more SC's in CA alone. The rules vary so much all over the state its confusing for customers when they dont understand they cant get the same dance they go in SF and not in SD. :P Eventhough many clubs remain open very few are actually good ones for dancers.

Why put money into something that has a 90% loss rate? /:O

yes you make a valid point,
but the dream hasnt lost its novelty,

i hope you did think 90% was the actual figure
im not sure what the failure rate is for this type of business is.
I just set the bar high lol.

well,
theres always the mid west,
but i still will try
san bernardino county here in cali.
they seem to be more tollerable of strip clubs.


cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-26-2006, 05:08 AM
yeah, i find it very telling that stuff not involving naked ladies is 'not interesting enough' for him to invest his 400k in or whatever amount it is. millionaires get that way investing in 'boring' stuff like real estate, auto shops, construction, etc, not nudie bars. i mean, he insists on opening a NUDE club, he insists that 19 year olds spend exactly like 38 year olds, his business partner is a whopping 25 years old-- none of it quite adds up to 'can get a stripclub successfully running'.

i gotta say, if i had my hands on any amount above 200k in less than a year, the investing i'd be doing would NOT be in the sex industry. don't get me wrong, if one has to sell sex, better to be the one owning the candyshop, so to speak, but as already noted, there are more stable, higher long-term earning areas to invest in even if you are the one who owns.


hahaha
i guess im the only one my age that spends like a 38 year old
thanks for the reality check,
and the only reason I wound up with a business partner six years my elder
it is because we are family haha.

Its not so much for the money to be made really,
well it is but why not open such a place?
other than all the risks

I would much rather own a place like this or a night club
than a junk yard or a pizza parlor
Ive always hated small potatos ;D

cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-26-2006, 05:10 AM
Absolute agreement here (re owning the candystore). Given that you're probably talking about a $250,000 capital investment on the 'cheap end' to start up a modestly sized strip club in a modestly sized suburban / rural area, the chances of financial success would be much higher ... and the chances of potential legal / regulatory problems would be much lower ... by investing that money in to a XXX video production company or a XXX pay website instead. At least these 'sex businesses' are strongly protected by the First Amendment, which strip clubs are not !


its funny you mention that xxx website
it came up earlier this week
when he and I were discussing other options
for more short term investments


cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-26-2006, 05:15 AM
Seriously. Make it 21+ and keep the kids out. 99% of them can't afford to even buy one dance, and they take up space that other spending customers might use. They also create an environment that is NOT favorable for the guys who DO have money to spend, so they actually wind up killing alot of spending that would normally go on in a strip club.

The fact that you, Ernesto, might be a good customer does NOT translate to all the kids being good customers. Listen to those of us with the experience dude. You don't want to cater to the kids.

I still think it's a pipe dream though. Give it 10+ years, maybe.

I must be the 1% that buys the dances lol

okay okay
ive heard many valid arguements against the 18+ option
and you've worn me down,

your also right,
i guess the fact that ive seen other young guys there when i go
doesnt mean they spend like me.

if the club is 21+
can there be dancers working there that are 18-20?

bottom line,
21+ club
and ill do a lot more homework
before i jump into anything.
thanks for all the good advice

cheers
-Ernesto

Lysondra
10-26-2006, 06:03 AM
The only reason you're making a juice bar is because you're not even old enough to drink yourself! You're actually nineteen! I thought I read 'under twenty'. I'm twenty, been in the business for two years and I'm not ready to open up a strip club. Ugh.

Bridgette
10-26-2006, 06:19 AM
The dancers can still be 18. As a private business you have the right to refuse service to anyone - that means you can limit to 21+ for customers. Hell I would prefer to limit it to 25+ LOL ;D

Yes you need to do a whole lot more research. MUCH more than what you'll find here. You can get alot of info here but it will just be the tip of the iceberg regarding what it takes to buy/own a strip club. Especially considering you are under 21, no experience in business (or much of anything for that matter), and your "business partner" is your 25yo cousin who apparently has very little experience as well.

xxernestoxx
10-26-2006, 01:17 PM
The only reason you're making a juice bar is because you're not even old enough to drink yourself! You're actually nineteen! I thought I read 'under twenty'. I'm twenty, been in the business for two years and I'm not ready to open up a strip club. Ugh.


actually the reason I want to open a juice bar is
because
at a juice bar you can have full nude dancers

and at a place that serves alchohol it may ony be topless


and a majority of the guys that go,
go to see EVERYTHING they are there to see all of the dancers assets
they dont even care about the booze,

thats why juicebars are even around

if i wanted a place that serves alchohol id buy the
irish pub down the street.



cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-26-2006, 01:24 PM
The dancers can still be 18. As a private business you have the right to refuse service to anyone - that means you can limit to 21+ for customers. Hell I would prefer to limit it to 25+ LOL ;D

Yes you need to do a whole lot more research. MUCH more than what you'll find here. You can get alot of info here but it will just be the tip of the iceberg regarding what it takes to buy/own a strip club. Especially considering you are under 21, no experience in business (or much of anything for that matter), and your "business partner" is your 25yo cousin who apparently has very little experience as well.



well, no he has been running his own buisness for two years,
and its doing quite well otherwise i doubt he would consider
another venture so risky as this one.

hahaha 25+?

if the dancers may be 18 at a alchohol serving establishment
then ill highly consider opening a 21+ club,
but there still is the dilemma of not enough show,
the full nude places are always packed on we weekend shift

im still certain that a lot of guys want to see more than just breasts
thats why the go to the juicebars.

and yes I do need to learn a lot more,
my partner has business experience so im not totally screwed
and Im sure my best bet in terms of learning the inner workings
of a club is to moonlight as a bouncer lol

cheers
-Ernesto

MadisonM
10-26-2006, 01:35 PM
Just so you know, many of the clubs in Wisconsin are full nude and serve alcohol- not all, but many. It depends on the city and zoning laws in that area. I've never been to Cali, so I don't know about the laws out there, but do some reasearch. If you want to be 21+ and serve alcohol and be full nude, it is possible, you may just have to go somewhere other than Cali to do it.

xxernestoxx
10-26-2006, 01:47 PM
Just so you know, many of the clubs in Wisconsin are full nude and serve alcohol- not all, but many. It depends on the city and zoning laws in that area. I've never been to Cali, so I don't know about the laws out there, but do some reasearch. If you want to be 21+ and serve alcohol and be full nude, it is possible, you may just have to go somewhere other than Cali to do it.


well,
as far as socal law is concerned no fully nude establishment may serve alchohol,
being that naked women and horney drunk guys can lead to BAD BAD situations.
this is the only state that i know of that is so restrictive,
ultimately I will go out of state unless I manage to buy a place,
there are actually a few clubs here that are going down the tubes
so the owners might want to bail out, CHA CHING lol


cheers
-Ernesto

Bridgette
10-26-2006, 01:50 PM
You don't have to serve alcohol to make it a 21+ club. You can just choose to limit to 21+.

Not all places are like CA - in most states, the nude clubs are dead while the topless booze-serving joints are busy.

Most money-spending customers are NOT like the young guys who think they have to see all the "goods" for their $1. In fact, the ones who have the most money to spend generally prefer to leave a little something to the imagination.

pookie
10-26-2006, 02:01 PM
I think a good way to answer your questions is to try to look at your business through the eyes of a dancer.

If you were to dance, what would you wanna pay to be at this club. would you really want high tipouts.

I am not saying you are, but i think the best piece of advice for anybody opening a club, is to not do it with greedy intentions.

xxernestoxx
10-26-2006, 02:02 PM
You don't have to serve alcohol to make it a 21+ club. You can just choose to limit to 21+.

Not all places are like CA - in most states, the nude clubs are dead while the topless booze-serving joints are busy.

Most money-spending customers are NOT like the young guys who think they have to see all the "goods" for their $1. In fact, the ones who have the most money to spend generally prefer to leave a little something to the imagination.

yes i know that,
but the thing is,
the issue of the club being either nude or topless
no the minimum age

haha
well how many clubs have you been to in ca?

i often times go with the guys i work with
and the eldest in the group is almost 40
another 28 and another 22
and all preffer the nude place why
ill quote my buddy smith(alias)
"i want to see some beaver"
haha
bottom line ill speak for the cali crowd at least,
most of these guys want to see the girls in all of there glory
not just breast
what can i say its a shady crowd.
bottom line is you have to give them what they want.

and maybe in the mid west the young guys are cheap
just a thought

cheers
-Ernesto

doc-catfish
10-26-2006, 02:06 PM
Not all places are like CA - in most states, the nude clubs are dead while the topless booze-serving joints are busy.
Its been my conclusion that how well alcohol clubs do alongside non-alcohol clubs depends on how good a dance the customer can get at the alcohol clubs in that respective local. If anything, the degree of contact means more than the degree of nudity anymore.

In states where the ABC has attached severe conditions to liquor licenses with respect to adult entertainment (like California or Iowa), nude N/A or BYOB clubs tend to attract the most business, in states where they haven't (like Nevada, Arizona or Texas) the alcohol clubs tend to win out.

xxernestoxx
10-26-2006, 02:10 PM
I think a good way to answer your questions is to try to look at your business through the eyes of a dancer.

If you were to dance, what would you wanna pay to be at this club. would you really want high tipouts.

I am not saying you are, but i think the best piece of advice for anybody opening a club, is to not do it with greedy intentions.

yes i know
at the beggining of this thread i mentioned
that i wanted to make it a very dancer friendly club,
with all thehouse rules leaning in the dancers favor
and lower house cuts,
because i often time get to know the dancers
at the clubs i go to and i always hear the same thing
"those greedy bastards are getting all my money"
i quote my favorite dancer
thats when i realized that there needed to be a club
that has the dancers needs in mind
and not just using them to get rich
which i dont want to do,
im sure I can reach a good
middle ground and keep the dancers taken care of well
and not go bankrupt.

i settled on a house cut of 20%
which is very cheap here in so cal
with no added costs

i can very easily replace the dj
with an automated lighting program
and man the controls my self to down on costs
and if its abolutely neccessary
hire some young guy to do it for like 7$ an hour
not a career dj

and giving customers an incentive to buy dances

like...
go to the vip room
get in free next visit


cheers
-Ernesto

xxernestoxx
10-26-2006, 02:16 PM
Its been my conclusion that how well alcohol clubs do alongside non-alcohol clubs depends on how good a dance the customer can get at the alcohol clubs in that respective local. If anything, the degree of contact means more than the degree of nudity anymore.

In states where the ABC has attached severe conditions to liquor licenses with respect to adult entertainment (like California or Iowa), nude N/A or BYOB clubs tend to attract the most business, in states where they haven't (like Nevada, Arizona or Texas) the alcohol clubs tend to win out.



see i knew i wasnt crazy,
the bottom line is in california,
a alchohol serving club is little fun for a customer
they might as well go to a bikini bar like hard hats in norco, ca
since the topless establishments are so restricted due to the alchohol
that is served int he building.

a nude club wins hands down
most recently
i went to a nude club
last saturday night
theremust have been maybe 8 dancers on shift
and the place was packed
house rules, you must be seating and have a drink in your hand
but there was no seating to be found.
usually saturday nights
they have 20 or more dancers booked
a lot of money was lost in that club
for lack of dancers,
so what im getting at is,
the lure of the full nude experience draws
a bigger crowd than a alchohol serving strip club,
at least its true here in so cal.

cheers
-Ernesto

Paris
10-26-2006, 02:46 PM
yeah,
I want to be successful and become a business
owner so I can effectively be my own boss
and not work the hours i work now,
for the kind of pay i make now.
but its just something I and my associate wanted to do.
I guess time will tell, if I still want to do this.
thanks for all the great perspectives.


cheers
-Ernesto

I was just letting this thread flow and keeping out of it, but I just can't stay quiet anymore. Ernesto, you are nieve. Owning a business is gobs more work than working for an employer. 80+ hours a week for 15-20 years is what it takes to make most service industry type businesses fly.

I recommend that you build a little apartment near or in the building that houses your strip club, because you will be living there. Getting into the strip club business today is a huge financial risk. One law passed in the state or federal legislature and you are shut down. If you have poured your whole life into running that strip club, and suddenly some over zealous lawmakers get on the band wagon and want to "save all those poor women" from sleezy strip club owners like you, then you are just S.O.L.

1. Make sure you have another reliable stream of income BEFORE you buy your strip club. Have a decent amount of investments that are providing for you financially, then buy the strip club FOR FUN. If it turns a profit, then you can do a happy dance, if it just breaks even or loses money, then you have a tax deduction against your other income sources.

2. Buy the land and building. Do not lease or rent the facility. If you own the land and the building you have a lot more clout financially and bit of a cushion if you do go under. Learn from the McDonald's corp. They have always purchased the land and buildings that house their restaurants. Land is valuable, even if the business fails.

3. Southern California is about the very last place I would ever want to put another strip club. Oh, and Temecula is NOT a small town. Think Blythe for small areas with very few options for people to have regular live entertainment.

If I was going to build a new club (or purchase and exisiting one) some things I'd be looking for are resort type areas that offer year round recreation. Aspen, Co. Flaggstaff, AZ. Bozeman, Mt. Bend, OR. Jackson Hole, Wy. Honolulu, Hi. etc. etc.

Southern California and Las Vegas has waaaaaayyyyy too many strip clubs as it is. This form of entertainment is popular in the restort areas that offer "guy stuff" like golf, hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, skiing, ice fishing, boating, mountian biking, rock climbing and so on. I would be looking at cities closer to Shasta, Yosmite or Tahoe. You might be able to buy the club in Eureaka, but the tourism in that city is very limited, but it seems to do a nice steady business, anyway.

Good luck. Oh, try and get a job as a strip club manager. You'll likely have to start as a door man or bouncer, but if you let the club know your ambitions it would be easy enough for them to promote you. There is a lot of turn over in this business. If you take a job as a club manager, then you'll get paid to learn how to run a strip club. You can't buy an education like that anywhere.;)