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gingerlee
02-26-2007, 11:22 PM
Oh, I almost forgot: This weekend I learned of another big reason for strippers hating customers (again this does not apply to every single stripper, but it is common enough to mention):

Many strippers come from lower class backgrounds (PWT), and, due to their family attitudes (victim mentalities), have some built in resentment of people of higher incomes. Like guys who can afford regular strip clubbing. So there is a class warfare dyanmic going on in some their minds. They feel like the rich exploit the poor in our society, and that a strip club is an epitome of that dynamic.

Where are you getting this shit? I call troll on you, sir. I'm not even going to give your opinions on why strippers supposedly hate men a response, because your reasons are beyond lame. ::)

All Good Things
02-26-2007, 11:38 PM
^What I'm curious about is what motivates you to post inane, absurd, biased, prejudiced and imagined observations -- no, more than that -- a collection of tired clichés that are so popular in the culture at large that everybody already knows about them, which, by the way, makes them completely unoriginal.

You do know, I hope, that they are widely discredited in the subculture, right? Hang around long enough here and read what the dancers actually write. I think you might be shocked to find that all those clichés are not only largely false, but are invented by customers as ammunition to make themselves feel superior to the dancers.

If you really want to talk about club dyanmics, let's have some fun and get into an evolutionary discussion of the power of women's physical attraction over those men who for whatever reason cannot attract a beautiful woman on their own in the real world without operating in a controlled environment where the woman is obligated to show interest that is, in every meaningful way, false.

jaizaine
02-26-2007, 11:42 PM
^^Well said and thank-you it's nice when you do get a man (on SW or ITC) who is both intelligent enough and confident enough in himself to realise this. ;)

gingerlee
02-26-2007, 11:47 PM
^What I'm curious about is what motivates you to post inane, absurd, biased, prejudiced and imagined observations -- no, more than that -- a collection of tired clichés that are so popular in the culture at large that everybody already knows about them, which, by the way, makes them completely unoriginal.

You do know, I hope, that they are widely discredited in the subculture, right? Hang around long enough here and read what the dancers actually write. I think you might be shocked to find that all those clichés are not only largely false, but are invented by customers as ammunition to make themselves feel superior to the dancers.

If you really want to talk about club dyanmics, let's have some fun and get into an evolutionary discussion of the power of women's physical attraction over those men who for whatever reason cannot attract a beautiful woman on their own in the real world without operating in a controlled environment where the woman is obligated to show interest that is, in every meaningful way, false.


:thanx: It is wonderful that a man would actually stand up for us girls, especially when it comes to the stereotypes that are projected on us.

AndyI
02-26-2007, 11:48 PM
^What I'm curious about is what motivates you

The truth is what motivates me.

But I am curious. What motivates you to say that the true things that I say are false? What is your ulterior motive?

VegasPrincess
02-26-2007, 11:50 PM
I don't know how to respond to the OP without destroying my credibility by coming off as a complete bitch, and maybe I just had too much sugar free redbull today, but come on .....

First of all, I am sort of offended that you would try to "delve into the psychee" of a stripper by taking out of context random rants that we've written about RUDE and OUT OF LINE customers. We don't hate our customers, just the ones that behave like pigs.

Second of all, people in EVERY profession complain about their clients/patrons/customers.... soooo why it's a shock that we complain, I don't know. Am I supposed to be a merrily dancing barbie doll with no feelings?

Third, it seems to me that you have a fantasy about strippers being little flighty creatures who get their rocks off by dancing for men and hearing how pretty they are all day. I love my job, but this is a job. It's a reality for me to provide a fantasy: the fantasy is for the customers, not me.

Fourth, if you are so interested in dancing, why don't you try it for two weeks and then tell us if you complained about anything or anyone.

jaizaine
02-26-2007, 11:50 PM
Unfortunately for you what the Other Owner said went straight over your head.

TROLL.

madmaxine
02-27-2007, 12:02 AM
:tapedshut

Right now I am wishing for a big bag of tainted smack to fall under Troll Bridge. So we can be rid of this silly troll with a smacked taint! :P

I'm not even going to answer his silly ass posts. I will state this..I have had the good fortune to know great men, and this kept me from being a true "man-hater" even after seeing the absolute worst in human behavior. I'm talking about men who are there for their children, men who go to war in a far-off land and LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES to preserve America, and men who will step forward to protect the innocent, weak and downtrodden. There are real men left in the world...just not enough of them.

No I don't hate men, but if you give me sh*t you'll get it right back.

VegasPrincess
02-27-2007, 12:18 AM
Many strippers come from lower class backgrounds (PWT), and, due to their family attitudes (victim mentalities), have some built in resentment of people of higher incomes. Like guys who can afford regular strip clubbing. So there is a class warfare dyanmic going on in some their minds. They feel like the rich exploit the poor in our society, and that a strip club is an epitome of that dynamic.


Yes, as I drive home from work in my Cadillac, I cry and yell, "Fuck you people with higher incomes!! You bastards!". And when a really rich man gives me a thousand dollars I yell out, "Fuck you , Man!! Quit holding me down you bastard!" Damn those rich men. I wish they would stop giving me so much money. I really, really resent that. Those fucking cocksuckers. If it wern't for them, I wouldn't be forced to live in this shitty existance where I get manicures every week, buy new clothes, live in a beautiful place and go on vacation every couple months. Those assholes!!

* I hope TheOtherOwner is laughing with me, because I think he's pretty cool :) *

miabella
02-27-2007, 12:33 AM
um, i don't think class issues should be ignored. the guy didn't say most strippers even, he only said 'many'. and class is a major factor in stripper-customer interaction. i've seen some girls have that insecurity and resentment, though not always or necessarily towards customers.

hell, due to the intersection of class and race, you have tons of black dancers automatically assumed to be of the lowest classes by club staff/mgmt, other dancers and of course customers. i'm glad it was brought up, even if in a slightly odd context. i've seen plenty of working class customers resenting dancers they thought were upper-class or upper-middle class.

Djoser
02-27-2007, 12:36 AM
This weekend I learned of another big reason for strippers hating customers...


Now where, I wonder, was the prestigious institution of higher learning located, which imparted this irrefutable truth to our learned and wise poster, this weekend..

Darcy Foxx
02-27-2007, 05:29 AM
To the OP:

I don't hate men at all. I often have customers ask me, "So, you must get a lot of scumbags in here, hey?" My answer is, "You know, most guys are pretty decent. Most of the guys that come in here just wanna have a good time. Every now and then you get some dickwit that wants to ruin it for everyone by being a total ass, or some guy that thinks he can be Captain Gropey even though you've told him to keep his goddamn hands to himself, but 9 customers out of 10 are just nice, normal guys."

So why does it seem like we hate men? Because there's still that 1 in 10 customer that's gonna be an asshole. And we come here to bitch about that 1 in 10. You're not going to see any threads here about, "So I danced for this guy last night. He was well behaved and polite. And then I danced for another 3 guys, who were also well behaved and polite" because that's boring and pretty standard and there's nothing to talk about. We're going to come here to share our experiences about the guy who tried to get his cock out when our backs were turned, or the guy who kept telling us in graphic detail how he'd like to eat us out, or the guy who made a nasty remark about our appearance when we walked past. This is our place to bitch and rant.

So no, I don't hate men. I just hate the 1 in 10 dude who thinks it's funny to call me a fatty when I walk past him, or who thrusts his pelvis at me during a dance every time I get near his lap.

DJ Maimed
02-27-2007, 08:02 AM
Now where, I wonder, was the prestigious institution of higher learning located, which imparted this irrefutable truth to our learned and wise poster, this weekend..

Seems like the troll must of found his mum's cellphone number on the bathroom wall of the local truckstop......... the truth hurts sometimes!

RoseWhite
02-27-2007, 09:58 AM
You do know, I hope, that they are widely discredited in the subculture, right? Hang around long enough here and read what the dancers actually write. I think you might be shocked to find that all those clichés are not only largely false, but are invented by customers as ammunition to make themselves feel superior to the dancers.


AMEN to that entire post, but a special HALLELUJAH to that! Testify, brother!

Darcy is also right ON. And VegasPrincess too, and Djoser, and Minette, and Jessica, and . . . well, all y'all. What they said.

Paris
02-27-2007, 12:39 PM
There's definitely more than a few strippers who do sour on men generally over time, can't entirelyblame them either. There are ALOT of creepy dudes and proverbial "dirty old men" that patronise the clubs these days. It may also be why many strippers turn bi-sexual or even lesbian.

Here's one commentary by an ex-stripper but her extremely ugly view of men. Ouch :-\

http://www.pkblogs.com/bitingbeaver/2006/03/strippingmy-experience.html

Please do not post entire articles, blogs and so forth that belong to other people. A link is fine.

The mods

I just read that blog, and she was a prostitute who would occasionally strip, not a stripper. She was in the business as a child. I don't begrudge her, her bitterness.

Here is the issue that I see as a problem. As little girls we are sold a false bill of goods. Thanks to Disney for the lies we are fed as children.::) Prince charming is just looking to get laid, and could care less about the princess that is offered up to him. Unless she has money or power.

We as girls expect men to cherish us. Yeah, right. As we get older we discover that men can be very cruel to women. Boys as young as twelve try and control their "girlfriends". Demanding certain loyalties and offering cruelties in return. I remember in the 5th grade being called "slut" and "whore" by boys at school when I would reject their sexual advances. I had been repeatedly introduced to boys that were mean and pushy and demanding. I learned quickly how to fight and kicked some ass of unruly boys in middle school.

I figured that there had to be "nice" boys that would defend a woman's honor. There must be boys that wanted deeper emotional relationships with women beyond sex and sexuality, right?

Well, one boy after another, after another would march through my life. All of them had one thing on their minds...sex. When it became obvious that I wanted more than a sexual relationship with these boys, it just didn't ever materialize. So in my teenaged mind I started "testing" my boyfriends' loyalty to me. I would withhold sex from my new boyfriends in favor of a deeper relationship. Yeah, that went over like a lead balloon. The one boy that managed to hang around for months and months w/o any sex turned out to be GAY.:P

So, long story longer, we want men to treat us as equals, not as simply sexual playthings, but the male psyche doesn't seem to have that capacity before middle age, and sometimes it never seems to reach that level of interaction with women. (Hugh Hefner anyone?) We are taught to seek out that emotional connection with men *before* becoming sexual with men. But men seem incapable of having a deeply emotional relationship with a woman without the sexual connection *first*. She must be able to impress him on a sexual level before being able to reach him emotionally.

So I sit here and know the deal. Unfortunately, the majority of women simply just don't get it. They are told wrongly how to find love and an equal in relationships in the completely wrong manner. Why, as little girls, are we taught to expect the unreasonable? If little girls are simply taught how emotional connections work in men compared to how it evolves in women, then the little girls won't grow up into women who think Ewwwww! When a man behaves the way nature has wired him to behave.

I remember my own father telling me when I was a teen that he was once a boy and he knows that boys only want "One thing" from girls. This revelation seemed odd after having spent my entire life being told that someday a nice gentleman will come along and cherish me for the rest of my life.

So, basically if you've made it this far, my point is that some women get it and some never do, and keep looking for that man that doesn't exist. The women who never get that men really are motivated by three things: Sex, Power and money, are very unhappy women indeed. And with good cause, they were lied to and promised a utopia that doesn't exist. But even today women are promised that "perfect guy" is out there, she just hasn't met him yet::).

It is pretty hard to win at the game of love if you never were told the rules to begin with- or the rules that were given were completely wrong!

BmiWMT14
02-27-2007, 01:18 PM
Why do 90% of the posts seem to have a negitive attitude towards men??..... Reminds me a something I was told in a marketing class in college.

Do something good for some one and if your lucky they will tell 2 people, screw them or do them wrong and they will tell 8-10 people.
The woman here are no different then the people you work with at your job. When you get together at the end of the night for a beer, you all tell stories about YOUR nightmare customer, or how bad your day was. It is a rare occassion to get together and talk about all the good things that happened at work.

Welcome to the SW bar, pull up a stool and have a beer;)

Casual Observer
02-27-2007, 03:38 PM
There is also a good deal of "projection" in the hatred of customers.

I only saw one poster in this thread projecting...hazard a guess as to which poster that might be?

The more you write about your ostensibly vast knowledge of the business and the people in it, the more you betray your complete ignorance on the matter.

jaizaine
02-27-2007, 04:43 PM
I only saw one poster in this thread projecting...hazard a guess as to which poster that might be?

The more you write about your ostensibly vast knowledge of the business and the people in it, the more you betray your complete ignorance on the matter.

Love it go CO!!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Djoser
02-27-2007, 05:14 PM
Unfortunately, a very large percentage of guys shed whatever social grace they might possess as soon as they walk into a stripclub.

In eight years working the clubs I have seen this over and over and over again.

For instance, last night at closing, a very sexy and spirited dancer named Dara was already dressed to leave and stopped to tip me on the way out, just as the last few customers were leaving.

The makeup was off, the skintight leopard print dress and heels were replaced by sweats, the hair was up.

One cretin looked at her and said, "You don't look nearly as good now as you did up on stage." Well, no--she was through working, and it was no longer necessary to pretend to be able to match whatever standards he might feel he deserved to maintain.

She was out of his league either way, but being where he was he felt he was in a position to judge her worth.

She, being an experienced woman of no small spirit, had the proper response:

"Yeah, and you're a real prize, aren't you? I see you are going home alone...have fun!"

We had a good laugh about that.

Lola Rose
02-27-2007, 05:18 PM
it's sad that people think strippers are all damaged goods.... ya some are bound to be, but most of us aren't. We lead happy, well adjusted lives, and enjoy our part time jobs with full time pay. we get to spend more time then most with those we care about, and we have the time to do good things for the world. We take care of ourselves, and we appreciate our customers. ya, there are some duds, but what person in costormer service doesn't get that? I'd bet that, based on percentages, cashiers at target are treated far worse.

and yes, we make concessions to do what we do. We work hard, and are judged on our jobs, looks, personalities.... We may have to resort to lying about where we work to some people, or risk being shunned. but we've all decided that the pros outweight the cons, or we wouldn't be doing it.

and to people like this blogger ad Kali Doom, they should have never gotten into it. There are always alternatives, and if any job is going to fuck you up that badly, you shouldn't do it. kali, you couldhave taken out loans or worked full time and saved for school. But if you walk away from the industry that messed up, you stayed far too long. I know for sure that a bartending position or waitressing can get you through college. there's no reason for anyone to be trapped in this.

and as for me, I don't like being touched by strangers. crowded bars freak me out, and i don't like to go out dancing. But i still consider myself to be very well adjusted, I jusr appreciate my space.

and for the record, I come from a moderatly wealthy family, my father is a real estate investor, my parents are happily married, i was never beaten, raped, or anything of the sort. I don't feel exploited, nor am I jealous of those with more then me. Andy, your post is a nasty hate letty, spewing your BS all over us. you are grossly misinformed, and if that's how you feel, there are many other forums you would feel more at home on. we don't care to hear it here.

Paris
02-27-2007, 05:37 PM
Please keep in mind that many strippers were sexually or physically abused as children. Or they got knocked up and deserted by deadbeat fathers. And, as odd as this might seem, some are lesbians. Some were raised by single mothers with the issued described so "inherited" this hatred.

Nearly every stripper had some kind of screwed up relationship with her father.

There is also a good deal of "projection" in the hatred of customers. Strippers feel disgusted and whorish because of their work and, for some temporary psychic relief project this disgust back onto customers.

So those are the main reasons you see the hatred that you do.

(Note that this post contains such deep truth, that I do no expect the strippers to let it stand very long.)

wait, wait...Don't forget that we are all drug addicted and stripping is just a gateway to other more illegal activities (read prostitution and drug dealing). Those who aren't drug addicted are just plain crazy and can't earn a living any other way::).

Oh, and the majority are lesbian. We hate men, so we might as well torture them with what they can't have, and take all of their money in the process;).

I'm amazed that I could even figure out how to use a computer (and the internet) between shooting up and man hating, who has time to learn a skill like using a computer.

Paris
02-27-2007, 05:41 PM
The truth is what motivates me.

But I am curious. What motivates you to say that the true things that I say are false? What is your ulterior motive?

George W. Bush is that you??

UtahMike
02-27-2007, 06:33 PM
George W. Bush is that you??
Probably not, but everything that he said was said a few years ago by a Utah State Senator (the same one who wanted to shut down all the high school clubs in Utah to top the "sodomites" from recruiting in the gay/straight alliances...).

OP, where is your proof? Show your statistics, cite your studies, reveal the sources of your "deep wisdom."

As Mark Twain said, "Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

AndyI
02-27-2007, 06:52 PM
The woman here are no different then the people you work with at your job.

Are you friggin' kidding me? Where I work you almost never hear complaints about what a bunch of losers our costumers are. In the last three years, in fact, I can't think of a single complaint regarding how stupid or what a bunch of losers our customers are. They are rational people and we understand where they are coming from with their requests. And their input on what we are doing is always taken extremely seriously.

Anyone with the attitudes that strippers display toward their customers would last no more than a couple of days where I work. Same with nearly any business. And if any other business had anywhere near the tolerance of scamming and stealing that the SC business somehow tolerate, they would be in jail or broke in no time.

Madcap
02-27-2007, 06:54 PM
Where I work you almost never hear complaints about what a bunch of losers our costumers are.

Not where i work. But then, where i work the customers really are retards. If they weren't total idiots they'd have a different service.

Darcy Foxx
02-27-2007, 07:06 PM
Are you friggin' kidding me? Where I work you almost never hear complaints about what a bunch of losers our costumers are.
And I'd bet my left eye that if you took any of the women from your workplace, made them work as a stripper in a club for a month, they'd be bitching about the customers just as much as we do.

AndyI
02-27-2007, 07:07 PM
And I'd bet my left eye that if you took any of the women from your workplace, made them work as a stripper in a club for a month, they'd be bitching about the customers just as much as we do.

Who is "making you" work there? Your pimp?

If you don't like your job quit.

That's what the women I work with would do (if they didn't like it. Who knows some might actually enjoy it.)

gingerlee
02-27-2007, 07:08 PM
Are you friggin' kidding me? Where I work you almost never hear complaints about what a bunch of losers our costumers are. In the last three years, in fact, I can't think of a single complaint regarding how stupid or what a bunch of losers our customers are. They are rational people and we understand where they are coming from with their requests. And their input on what we are doing is always taken extremely seriously.

Anyone with the attitudes that strippers display toward their customers would last no more than a couple of days where I work. Same with nearly any business. And if any other business had anywhere near the tolerance of scamming and stealing that the SC business somehow tolerate, they would be in jail or broke in no time.


Wow, I'm glad to know the people throwing burgers at me at McDonalds love every person that comes through the door. ::)

VegasPrincess
02-27-2007, 07:09 PM
HAHAHA I think this guy is getting his rocks off on the fact that we are all paying attention to him, even if it is negative attention

PaigeDWinter
02-27-2007, 07:15 PM
Are you friggin' kidding me? Where I work you almost never hear complaints about what a bunch of losers our costumers are. In the last three years, in fact, I can't think of a single complaint regarding how stupid or what a bunch of losers our customers are. They are rational people and we understand where they are coming from with their requests. And their input on what we are doing is always taken extremely seriously.

Anyone with the attitudes that strippers display toward their customers would last no more than a couple of days where I work. Same with nearly any business. And if any other business had anywhere near the tolerance of scamming and stealing that the SC business somehow tolerate, they would be in jail or broke in no time.

You obviously have the most rare workplace on the planet. Cause people bitch about customers at TONS of jobs. I'd be willing to say at MOST jobs. Thus there are forums and blogs and websites dedicated to how Customers Suck. It seems as though every business except for yours has tolerances closer to SCs. Oops.

gingerlee
02-27-2007, 07:19 PM
You obviously have the most rare workplace on the planet. Cause people bitch about customers at TONS of jobs. I'd be willing to say at MOST jobs. Thus there are forums and blogs and websites dedicated to how Customers Suck. It seems as though every business except for yours has tolerances closer to SCs. Oops.

But Paige, WE are the bad guys here! Where do we get the right to complain about guys wanting something for nothing, or more than we want to give? I mean, we're strippers, we don't really count as part of the general population.

PaigeDWinter
02-27-2007, 07:24 PM
But Paige, WE are the bad guys here! Where do we get the right to complain about guys wanting something for nothing, or more than we want to give? I mean, we're strippers, we don't really count as part of the general population.


Uh huh. And I'm SURE that this guy's coworkers would NEVER dream of being sour if they were asked to work for free! :D

Darcy Foxx
02-27-2007, 07:31 PM
Who is "making you" work there? Your pimp?

If you don't like your job quit.

That's what the women I work with would do (if they didn't like it. Who knows some might actually enjoy it.)

Yeah my pimp beats me if I don't blow enough guys to pay for his hot new car.

You missed my point entirely. Nobody is "making" me work there, I was using it as an example. If you read my earlier post, you would see that I said 9 customers out of 10 are fine. I enjoy my job. Yes there are assholes that come in and deliberately try to make us feel bad or try to sexually harass us, and we come here to bitch about those because this is our place to rant

AndyI
02-27-2007, 07:40 PM
Yeah my pimp beats me if I don't blow enough guys to pay for his hot new car.

You missed my point entirely. Nobody is "making" me work there, I was using it as an example. If you read my earlier post, you would see that I said 9 customers out of 10 are fine. I enjoy my job. Yes there are assholes that come in and deliberately try to make us feel bad or try to sexually harass us, and we come here to bitch about those because this is our place to rant

Weird. By my reckoning there about as many employees at the company I work for as there are strippers in the US. (Yes it's a big company). Yet I never see rants about customers. We understand that they are people like us trying to get a job done. And the better we do our job the better it helps them do theres. If they are complaining, we will (95% of the time) take it to mean we don't our job good enough. Not that they are losers and idiots and scumbags, assholes, whatever.

See the difference?

Darcy Foxx
02-27-2007, 07:50 PM
Do you think that could be because most of your customers aren't drunk? How often do customers at your work try to grope your female employees even when they've been warned multiple times not to? How often do your customers laugh at the female employees and tell them they're fat?

If a customers continues trying to lick my breasts during a dance even though I've told him not to, by your logic, he is not an idiot, I am just not doing my job well enough.

Your logic does not resemble our earth logic. I think someone got burned by a stripper and is holding a grudge.

WiseGuy_TX
02-27-2007, 07:58 PM
The truth is what motivates me....not being able to distinguish between truth and myth is a form of psychosis. Are you being motivated by desire or fear of your "truth"?

AndyI
02-27-2007, 07:59 PM
I think that, historically, stripping has been about scamming and stealing and tricking. Indeed that is the attitude that management, strippers, and this board promotes. By this, the business built some bad blood with customers. Those customers who do all the nasty things to you were probably nice at first, but then learned that that just made them "marks" for scamming and stealing and abuse from strippers. And then there is the fact that the business tolerates such bad behavior from its employees. If you complain to management they could not care less. So, yes, historically, strippers have not treated their customers well, and this comes back to haunt them, in the form of disatisfied customers.

Try treating your customers better: codemn rather than condone scamming, stealing, and tricking, and maybe your customers will like and treat you better. Almost every other business in the world (including escorts) has figured that one out. It's all about the customer!

The day strippers figure that it's about service, rather than theft and trickery is the day you'll have more pleasant customers.

Rocket science, huh?

TigersMilk
02-27-2007, 08:08 PM
AndyI yet another generalization from you? tisk tisk I hear muffled sounds coming from a males mouth again. If you unzip your pants and turn around maybe we can hear you better.

Yes it is about the customer but not all of us are 'scamming, stealing and tricking' strippers.:banghead: