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aggieed
12-26-2006, 01:19 AM
Funny post, Mr. P...the first one in this thread. Sorry I didn't post to it sooner.

I didn't really partake locally this year. I think I'm pretty much out of it. As mentioned before, I just save my money and go to Houston every once in a while. As lunchbox mentioned early in this thread, there probably isn't much use in a Perfect Storm there. I was in town for the Texans-Titans game over two weeks ago, and the following Monday I went into Treasures (where else, right?). I hadn't been sitting 15 seconds before I had a blonde Latina bouncing up and down my lap asking me if I'd had a BJ yet that day. Then there was this South American girl who was up for anything but "sex in the vagina" (had I been into anal I probably would've asked if that had been available) and then just a good ol' American gal who offered to take care of me because it was obvious I liked her so much.

In any case, I've started a silent movement to rename Treasures, The Greatest Show on Earth taking the title away from Michael's. It's just become way too easy in that club, and I friggin' love it! In four separate visits this year I've only had repeat performances from a couple of strippers I'd met previously. Otherwise, every stripper I was with was completely new to me. Now THAT's variety.

mr_punk
12-27-2006, 07:28 AM
I hadn't been sitting 15 seconds before I had a blonde Latina bouncing up and down my lap asking me if I'd had a BJ yet that day. Then there was this South American girl who was up for anything but "sex in the vagina" (had I been into anal I probably would've asked if that had been available) and then just a good ol' American gal who offered to take care of me because it was obvious I liked her so much.LOL...you don't say? strippers who approach the customer with offers to drain his sack completely dry and before he can even get a drink (then again, he'll desperately need the liquid refreshment afterwards). why, who ever would have guessed at that sort of behavior from the average girl scout.

In any case, I've started a silent movement to rename Treasures, The Greatest Show on Earth taking the title away from Michael's.a good idea and you have my support, but instead of the title "TGSOE". how about "TGHOE" (The Greatest Whorehouse on Earth)? i associate the word "show" with stage show and, really, who watches the stage?

evan_essence
12-27-2006, 09:17 PM
and what does these other occurences have to do with us as customers? i've told you that customers still come to the sc.Okay, I had a snotty retort composed but I'm scrapping it because I'm puzzled to the point I want a serious answer. I thought, by definition, the scenario for the Perfect Storm includes fewer customers and less spending, as well as an increased need for money by strippers, not just the latter. In other words, the things that reduce the amount of the club customers' descretionary income spent on strippers, such as Christmas bills, are contributors to the PS. Generally speaking, after the holidays, customers do not come to the SC in the same numbers or spending habits. In other words, the revenue coming in decreases at the same time that the need for revenue increases.

But you seem to be arguing that the amount of customer spending doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm thinking your argument is in direct contradiction to the standard usage of the term and the commonly understood definition used here previously. Am I correct in assuming that you're not factoring customer spending levels into your definition of the PS? If so, why not? If not, what am I misunderstanding? Seriously, help me understand your hypothesis because it's just not making sense to me.

-Ev

mr_punk
12-28-2006, 11:23 AM
Okay, I had a snotty retort composed but I'm scrapping it because I'm puzzled to the point I want a serious answer.a serious answer? well, that is unusual. i mean, you do snotty so well.

I thought, by definition, the scenario for the Perfect Storm includes fewer customers and less spending, as well as an increased need for money by strippers, not just the latter.do i look like the doorman? in any event, i put this link (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=487975&postcount=5) in the op. by definition, it says nothing specifically about customer numbers, what they're spending or not spending. it's mainly about strippers needing lots of fast money...period. perhaps, you girls are confusing us with..dare i say it..strippers. after all, it wouldn't be the first time.

evan_essence
12-29-2006, 04:05 AM
a serious answer? well, that is unusual. i mean, you do snotty so well.Yeah, well, thank you. I'm about to crank up again.

do i look like the doorman? in any event, i put this link (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=487975&postcount=5) in the op. by definition, it says nothing specifically about customer numbers, what they're spending or not spending. it's mainly about strippers needing lots of fast money...period. perhaps, you girls are confusing us with..dare i say it..strippers. after all, it wouldn't be the first time.Linking to one post out of an entire thread. If one reads the entire thread, one finds that you point to the week after New Years as a PS the likes of which other storms, besides the week after Thanksgiving, don't match. What elements are present that week? Christmas bills, rent possibly not paid yet AND my experience always was the number of customers is down in January because they, too, have shot their wads over the holidays. Thus, at least in some cases, a combination of factors creating a PS.

Why oh why would you argue that the PS never includes a reduction in the supply of money, only an increase in the demand for it? If it's PERFECT, it is comprised of both. And the relationship of supply and demand is Economics 101. Oh, wait, I just figured it out. Your argument isn't really about economics at all. It's about taking glee in stripper flakiness. And to argue that the PS is a result only of stripper flakiness, you have to take a politically biased position, not a position based on sound economic principles. I get it. Mystery solved. Carry on.

-Ev

mr_punk
12-29-2006, 05:50 PM
Yeah, well, thank you. I'm about to crank up again.oh, scary..scary. i'll try not to faint from the experience.

And the relationship of supply and demand is Economics 101. Oh, wait, I just figured it out. Your argument isn't really about economics at all.actually, it's not about stripping-oriented economics. again, i'm not doorman or bouncer counting heads and tracking laps. i didn't create her need to make rent money, after she decided to take the month off, by the end of the shift.

It's about taking glee in stripper flakiness.actually, that's just the icing on the cake. in any event, why not take glee in a stripper's retardedness? after all, we all take glee in a customer's retardedness. i mean, i find it funny when a stripper walks into a sc with a new designer coach purse and cries, "i'm working a double. i'm broke and i need money fast". what else is there for a customer to do, but give a double-take, laugh and hand her a wad (no pun intended) of cocktail napkins.

And to argue that the PS is a result only of stripper flakiness, you have to take a politically biased position, not a position based on sound economic principles.politics? anyway, are you saying it isn't the result of stripper flakiness? well, speaking of economics 101. whatever happened to the old economic concepts like..ummm, i don't know..."saving money for a rainy day" (pun intended) or "not spending the milk money", etc. does any of this ring a bell? no? well, strangely enough many non-strippers still put these simple, old-fashioned principals into play everyday.

OTOH, i know. it's a totally wild and crazy idea which requires a certain measure of..what is it called? oh yeah, reason and accountability. still, it is an alternative to hitting a customer up for a loan or returning to work near the end of the month (so broke they can't even pay the house fee) and expecting to hit for the cycle. oh, second thought, nahhhhh. you're right, it's completely outlandish and it'll never work because it's not based on sound stripping, economic principles.

xdamage
12-29-2006, 06:58 PM
whatever happened to the old economic concepts like..ummm, i don't know..."saving money for a rainy day"

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OTOH, i know. it's a totally wild and crazy idea which requires a certain measure of..what is it called? oh yeah, reason and accountability.

Yea, well, you see, when a stripper doesn't plan for her future or save for the future (e.g., like save enough to make it through one bad month, let alone several). it's really not fair of you to suggest that this has something to do with any decisions they made. You're just being a mean Mr. P. Let's break this down rationally.

Suppose a stripper makes extra money when business is good.

Now she could save it, or she could spend it. Spending it is much more fun afterall, so really, you must be brain dead if you don't see that.

Now the future comes, and business is slow. There is no money saved. How could she possibly see into the future? Where was her crystal ball back when she blew the extra cash on the Prada purse?

And now you're just being a nasty man/customer now suggesting that somehow her choices as an adult (definition = over the age of 18 ) have something to do with her situation. And you're making her feel bad, and nothing is more important then doing something that makes her feel bad. No matter what you're point, you should never make her feel bad about herself because good men say nice things, and bad men say bad things. And ultimately, somehow, someway, it's really not her fault, it must be a man's fault or a customer's fault, because afterall, why would she do something intentionally to put herself in such a bad financial postion? Well of course she wouldn't. Duh. So it follows that it can't possibly be that she is broke due to a decision she made. It must be that someone, maybe the store salesman that sold her the Prada bag, who was a man by the way, tricked her into spending money she really should have saved.

Besides, you're just jealous that you didn't bring in an extra $500 for the night, and don't have a Prada bag. :O

p.s. yes, I was being sarcastic

Jenny
12-29-2006, 07:04 PM
oh, scary..scary. i'll try not to faint from the experience.
It's okay. Go ahead and faint.

actually, it's not about stripping-oriented economics. again, i'm not doorman or bouncer counting heads and tracking laps. i didn't create her need to make rent money, after she decided to take the month off, by the end of the shift.
blah, blah, blah
politics? anyway, are you saying it isn't the result of stripper flakiness? well, speaking of economics 101. whatever happened to the old economic concepts like..ummm, i don't know..."saving money for a rainy day" (pun intended) or "not spending the milk money", etc. does any of this ring a bell? no? well, strangely enough many non-strippers still put these simple, old-fashioned principals into play everyday.
One has nothing to do with the other. Nobody - least of all me or Ev - is arguing that heightened need for cash isn't an element of the proverbial perfect storm; just that the phrase has an additional element, and you arguing that the additional element (the dearth of customers) doesn't exist and has nothing to do with making a "perfect storm" as opposed to a "storm" is because you like to disagree with us before reading posts in their entirety and then are too embarassed to admit that is what you did. Go on. Admit it. We'll still respect you. As much as we did before. That a "perfect storm" requires more than one element is elementary in its obviousness. The fact that you are contending it shows bias in and of itself.

mr_punk
12-30-2006, 11:09 AM
it's really not fair of you to suggest that this has something to do with any decisions they made. You're just being a mean Mr. P.you're right. i'm acting like a rat bastard. oh wait, i am a rat bastard. you know what? from this moment on, i'm going to try to be what they're trying to train me to be. a fine, upstanding member of the SW auxiliary brigade.
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ok, i'm done. i gave it a shot and it's just too much work.

sander8son
12-30-2006, 01:37 PM
well, sorry mr P, in order for it to truly be a "perfect" storm you would need the decrease in the supply of customer's spending funds. But i thought that was implied as the case anyway. I'm sure the ammount of customers doesn't drop off. But i'm guessing the disposable income of said customers drops in november to january, thus creating the lack of supply side required. Note, its not the supply of customers but supply of funds that matters. 100 customers with only $1500 all together is a lower supply than 10 customers with $2000 all together. So although you may not see a decrease in the supply of customers, i'm sure theres a decrease in the supply of tittbar funds. This however may not be noticible to a single dancer, as her regulars may not face these constraints or her sales skills may allow her to get the newbie's/non-reg's $$s.

And you can't argue the demand side doesn't increase these months. Which should also increase the supply of strippers working per shift, which thus again decreases the PoP.

Though I've still yet to test out these theory's myself. Perhaps in a few days.

***Also edited to add*** That although this may create a perfect storm, it doesn't gaurantee any certain action with any girl for any ammount. As stated earlier, some dancers wont nescesarily see a drop in their earnings and if they're better at financial planning than they're counterparts they won't have a significant increase in the demand of funds these months as opposed to the other months. But that doesn't exclude the increase in opportunity for extra action (or at a discounted price) from others.

evan_essence
12-30-2006, 02:51 PM
are you saying it isn't the result of stripper flakiness?No. I didn't say that and I don't know where you got that idea. The inclusion of reduced consumer spending in the definition of a perfect storm is NOT tantamount to an excuse for stripper responsibility.


whatever happened to the old economic concepts like..ummm, i don't know..."saving money for a rainy day" (pun intended) or "not spending the milk money", etc. does any of this ring a bell? no?YES. That's what I'm saying. That there is A RAINY DAY involved. I am not saying, and therefore I don't know why you're arguing with me like I am saying it, that it isn't the stripper's fault. It IS, in fact, the stripper's fault for not saving money to last through a downturn. I am ONLY saying that THERE CAN BE A DOWNTURN. That downturn probably isn't under the stripper's control, but her PREPARATION for its inevitability is. (Although, I truly believe that God doesn't have enough money to take care of my g/f sometimes, but let's exempt extreme medical conditions from this discussion.)

So you see, if you'd actually absorb what I'm saying, you'd realize that, even when you include a downturn in customer spending, you can STILL blame the stripper's behavior for her financial crisis. But what you can't do is say accurately that this downtown element isn't ever at play in making a PS. Which is what you were claiming, apparently because you thought I was trying to use it as a loophole to argue the stripper isn't responsible for her own fate.

Like I said, the definition is simply a matter of common sense semantics and principles of supply and demand.

-Ev

mr_punk
12-30-2006, 03:25 PM
well, sorry mr P, in order for it to truly be a "perfect" storm you would need the decrease in the supply of customer's spending funds. But i thought that was implied as the case anywayno, it's a false impression created by certain non-customer, girl scouts who wouldn't know the PS if it bit them in the ass.

I'm sure the ammount of customers doesn't drop off. But i'm guessing the disposable income of said customers drops in november to january, thus creating the lack of supply side required.you're guessing? IOW, you don't know. in any case, your guess that customer numbers don't drop off is contrary to a certain stripper claims of a dearth of customers. which shows you why all this talk of customer numbers or spending isn't my concern as a customer. either way, i'll still leave the sc dehydrated.

Note, its not the supply of customers but supply of funds that matters. no. actually, it's about the amount of fast cash the flaky stripper needs get her hands on in a limited amount of time and what she's willing to do for it. tick tock..tick tock.

mr_punk
12-30-2006, 03:43 PM
No. I didn't say that and I don't know where you got that idea. The inclusion of reduced consumer spending in the definition of a perfect storm is NOT tantamount to an excuse for stripper responsibility.i'm not implying that you're saying it's an excuse. i'm just pointing out that no PS occurs without the most indispensible element of all. it's the straw that stirs the drink.

So you see, if you'd actually absorb what I'm saying, you'd realize that, even when you include a downturn in customer spending, you can STILL blame the stripper's behavior for her financial crisis. But what you can't do is say accurately that this downtown element isn't ever at play in making a PS. Which is what you were claiming, apparently because you thought I was trying to use it as a loophole to argue the stripper isn't responsible for her own fate.and if you would absorb what i was saying oh so long ago. you'd realize that's why customer numbers, spending habits, supply and demand, etc isn't my problem or concern. it the stripper's problem. so, besides the fact that i'm not a stripper. in addition, it isn't relevant to PS nor is it an obstacle to me getting dehydrated.

xdamage
12-30-2006, 04:01 PM
I lost track of this convo long ago, although maybe it started with Jenny's comment that "Since the customer base does not spend less over Christmas, but rather more, this doesn't seem like perfect storm weather to me."

The problem is drawing overly broad conclusions from that experience.

That's the opposite of what strippers were telling me when I was in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago, business was way down according to what I was told. So as usual, we have to be careful not to over simplify based on a few people's observations. When you're looking at statistical trends, you're bound to find cases that don't match the trend, possibly by person, possibly by region, etc.

For whatever reason business is up where Jenny is, but the couple of weeks before X-Mas in Vegas business slows down, which is why many of us visit Vegas that time of year because there is a fraction of the crowds that usually visits this city. It's a good time to enjoy the restaurants, clubs, and casinos without having to make reservations, no long lines, etc.

Business is down in the Casinos, restaurants, nightclubs, and stripclubs Far less customers then usual, and less spending (who knows, maybe U.S. customers spend more of their December money on presents for loved ones, while Canadian spend more on strippers? or maybe Jenny is one of the hottest girls working this time of year and so is personally banking?).

Combine that with dancers who need extra money for X-Mas, and customers can get more for less.

Now it's also true that the number of dancers who work is down somewhat, but still, by midnight Fri or Sat, the clubs are filled with far more dancers then customers (this condition of excess dancers happens several times a year).

mr_punk
12-30-2006, 04:09 PM
I lost track of this convo long ago, although maybe it started with Jenny's comment that "Since the customer base does not spend less over Christmas, but rather more, this doesn't seem like perfect storm weather to me." The problem is drawing overly broad conclusions from that experience.especially, from non-customers who are, as part of their jobs, more concerned with customer numbers and spending than actual customers themselves.

sander8son
12-30-2006, 11:38 PM
no, it's a false impression created by certain non-customer, girl scouts who wouldn't know the PS if it bit them in the ass.
you're guessing? IOW, you don't know. in any case, your guess that customer numbers don't drop off is contrary to a certain stripper claims of a dearth of customers. which shows you why all this talk of customer numbers or spending isn't my concern as a customer. either way, i'll still leave the sc dehydrated.
no. actually, it's about the amount of fast cash the flaky stripper needs get her hands on in a limited amount of time and what she's willing to do for it. tick tock..tick tock.

I dont know what IOW means, so as far as I'm concerned you misspelled Iowa. Now you're not making any sense.

In other news, NEVER ARGUE ECONOMICS WITH ME. You're saying the supply of customer funds doesn't matter which is PREPOSTEROUS. If that was TRUE and there was an infinate supply of funds(are you DW by any chance?), then it wouldn't matter that sally stripper demands $5k tonight, with infinite funds available to her she wont have to work hard to get it. So yes, the customer side does matter.

Perhaps this is the best time of year and so to you its a perfect storm. But a shift on one curve doesn't create a perfect storm, (you'd need both to shift). So this is just "best there can be" storm. You're leaving dehydrated, but you always do. You're getting good deals, probably better than usual. But you're not getting the best deal you could. In a true "perfect" situation, the supply of funds would be limited to your wallet. The only reply to me at this point is either "You're right" or "I don't get it". Nothing else is acceptable, unless you want to be wrong.

evan_essence
12-31-2006, 03:28 AM
and if you would absorb what i was saying oh so long ago. you'd realize that's why customer numbers, spending habits, supply and demand, etc isn't my problem or concern. it the stripper's problem. so, besides the fact that i'm not a stripper. in addition, it isn't relevant to PS nor is it an obstacle to me getting dehydrated.Oh, well, pardon me. I neglected to realize that because an element of reality isn't your concern, it's not a part of your reality. Applying this principle, we learn that a Perfect Storm is whatever you say it is because of the benefits you're deriving at the time, not an analysis based on its underlying economic elements. Mystery f**king solved.

-Ev

sander8son
12-31-2006, 07:24 AM
SMOC, sucking my own cock.

Yah, thats great and all. But I'd rather belive its a bastardization of iowa. I'm not a fan of accronyms.

mr_punk
12-31-2006, 10:18 AM
I dont know what IOW means, so as far as I'm concerned you misspelled Iowa. Now you're not making any sense.oh, i'm sorry, sandy. IOW stands for Isle of Wight. a small island off the coast of the UK (UK = University of Kentucky).

In other news, NEVER ARGUE ECONOMICS WITH ME.arguing economics? no. i'm simply saying when you tell me you're guessing about customers numbers or spending. a unreliable guess is just an unreliable guess.

You're saying the supply of customer funds doesn't matter which is PREPOSTEROUS.i'm simply saying that it's a non-issue for the customer. ultimately, customers have no idea how much other customers are spending. OTOH, strippers worry about it. furthermore, the pressure isn't on me to be aware of these things. it's all on her shoulders and there ain't much time left. tick tock..tick tock.

mr_punk
12-31-2006, 10:30 AM
Oh, well, pardon me. I neglected to realize that because an element of reality isn't your concern, it's not a part of your reality. Applying this principle, we learn that a Perfect Storm is whatever you say it is because of the benefits you're deriving at the time, not an analysis based on its underlying economic elements. Mystery f**king solved.LOL....i swear you broads are driving me batty. OTOH, there are plenty of PLs upstairs that are very, very, very interested in a stripper's "insider's view of the biz". yet, you ladies don't want to talk to them about the subject because they're not strippers. OTOH, you girls come down here and talk to uninterested, non-strippers about your "reality", until their ears fall off. oh, what did i ever do wrong to deserve this....honor. please, tell me. so, i can do the exact opposite.

LapOfLuxury
12-31-2006, 11:13 AM
i'm simply saying that it's a non-issue for the customer. ultimately, customers have no idea how much other customers are spending. OTOH, strippers worry about it. furthermore, the pressure isn't on me to be aware of these things. it's all on her shoulders and there ain't much time left. tick tock..tick tock.

Huh? Of course what other customers are spending is an issue for you! At least it is if you are looking for a "Perfect Storm" situation. If dancers are making money hand over fist from other customers, they will feel less need of YOUR money. Got it?

Evan, Jenny, and Sandy have been telling you that 2 + 2 = 4. You keep asserting that 2 = 4.

Either you lack the intellectual bandwidth to process their arguments, or you are just being stubborn. Either way, you are looking rather pathetic at this point in the thread.

evan_essence
12-31-2006, 01:59 PM
LOL....i swear you broads are driving me batty.That's the best news I've had all weekend. Thanks for the uplift.


oh, what did i ever do wrong to deserve this....honor. please, tell me. so, i can do the exact opposite.I don't think I have time to compile a list that long. On second thought, there is an easy way to communicate the concept. Try doing the opposite of all this (http://tinyurl.com/y69p3o).

-Ev

mr_punk
12-31-2006, 02:56 PM
Huh? Of course what other customers are spending is an issue for you! an issue for me? LOL..oh no, it sounds like an issue for you. after all, i'm not the one carrying a thumb counter into a sc.

Either you lack the intellectual bandwidth to process their arguments, or you are just being stubborn. Either way, you are looking rather pathetic at this point in the thread.i'm sorry, but did you say something new and meaningful? in any event, the day i actually give serious consideration to a poster with a 144 posts (none of which i can recall seeing down here) is the day the pope installs a condom machine in the vatican.

I don't think I have time to compile a list that long. On second thought, there is an easy way to communicate the concept. Try doing the opposite of all this.the link does not work, but thanks for the effort.

evan_essence
01-01-2007, 06:55 PM
the link does not work, but thanks for the effort.Ah well, a firecracker that didn't fire. Go check the fuse for me, will you?

-Ev

grindonme
11-21-2008, 11:17 AM
Is it almost that time again...lmaoooo

Earl_the_Pearl
11-21-2008, 09:05 PM
First of the month, Xmas and the economy is in the toilet. }:D