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Windy
11-30-2006, 01:16 PM
It's the same here. More than half the time I'm doing a 3 minute game of keep away rather then a 3 minute dance.
All things(MONEY) being equal..I'd much rather they didnt touch me....but I'm used to it so it's not a big deal for me. I dont mind them going as far as touching my breasts as long as they are being gentle and not squeezing the saline out of them.
I do NOT like the licking/kissing and will immediately pull out of face range. Or i'll tell them "thanks....the nasty old guy with no teeth managed to lick me a minute ago and I havent had time to wash his saliva off....I appreciate you tounge bathing it off me" Fuckers. How do they NOT understand that if she lets YOU do that..she lets EVERYONE and you are now licking the remains of some strange guys saliva off her....ewwwwwwwwwwww. For some reason Mexican guys are almost guranteed to do this. I guess it is standard down there...but I've done dances with my hand firmly planted on their forehead holding them back....while they stuck their tounge out and still tried to reach me.WTF???

Ok..rant over.....

gross...i also had a guy who tried to "lick me" and even when i do hold hiom back, he "pretended" to be "licking" my boobs everytime i put them near him. WEIRDO! he did like a weird lizard licking too! even worst!!!

i have a b/f, so i dont allow any guys to touch me. legs, waist, arms, OKAY. boobs, butt, kitty - no!

if i didnt have a b/f.....i guess i wouldnt mind butt and gentle boob touching. but defienly not pussy touchin or licking/kissing.

but if i made the same money touching or no touching - id DEFIENLY pick no contact. why do anything u dont have to, right?

DestyDoll
11-30-2006, 01:26 PM
Just wondering what everyones opinion in customer contact is? I've worked at both contact and non-contact clubs and I simply hate non-contact ones. I feel ridiculous, like "what the hell am I doing?"-"this is stupid!" I dunno how to really explain it.

At my club we can touch and be touched, everywhere but in between the legs. This simply doesn't bother me one bit. Does it bother most of you? What are the rules at your clubs?

Yeah, at first I thought I would prefer the customer to not touch me at all and that I'd be uncomfortable if they touched me, but then when I started, I realized that it does feel really stupid to just be all over a guy who isn't touching you whatsoever. I don't want to be molested or anything, but touching my arms, back, etc lets me know that they are comfortable and enjoying it. Anytime they get too intimate I playfully get them back to the more innocent stuff. A few guys did the arms at their sides thing, and it did make me feel uncomfortable! I invited them just to touch my arms which is nice and innocent but at least you feel like they are involved. And I don't like grinding. I think a lot of guys expect that and I am not ok with that. I'll push myself up against their legs and whatnot, but I'm not gonna hump them and try and get them off! I'd rather have them touch me all over then do that... I guess everyone has their own preferences for their own reasons. The other day a guy asked me to touch his dick. Um, no. And last week one begged me for a kiss so I just said, awww I can't do that here, but I'll kiss your cheek. Seriously, do they think we're just gonna start making out with them????

cameronfl
11-30-2006, 01:50 PM
Seriously, do they think we're just gonna start making out with them????

I danced for a cpl the other day...young..she was kinda cute, he looked ghetto..whatever. They were OBVIOUSLY gearing me up to take me home..even after I told them I was married. She kept pulling her shirt up and wanting me to lick her boobs(no thanks) he kept pushing for me to make out with her(again..no thanks). They both kept trying to lick me.....it was 3 minutes of playing keep away from their tongues.They paid(actually she paid since he didnt have any money) ...then complained to the bartender "We just paid $30 and she wouldnt even make out with me!!!!!!" 1)they paid the $25 price..no tip and 2) WTF??? Sorry.....last time I checked sticking my tounge down a strangers throat was NOT part of my job description. And no...the rule doesnt change because you are a girl....grrrrrr

DestyDoll
11-30-2006, 02:03 PM
The level of contact expected at my club is rising (but I'm not down with that,) and it's really pissing me off. I'm thinking of going back to a one way contact club in my city that I worked at before. I definetly hate when people try to touch my boobs.

Yeah, I definatly noticed right from the start that the guys expect it. They just jump right in, it took me off guard at first. I don't want to be the girl they don't wanna get dances from, so I try and compromise and if I need to stop them I do it in a really playful way and it's been working so far. I don't mind being touched, I just don't want to be groped or fondled. I'm still trying to figure out what works for me and how I can give a good lap dance by my own rules... I've tried to peek at the other girls doing their dances to get an idea of what most people are doing, but I haven't been able to get too good of an idea, but it seems like there is a lot of grinding going on. Personally, I'd rather be touched then hump some guys cock, ew. I still haven't exactly figured out what to do when a guy specifically asks me to grind on him. What do you generally do during your dances? Have you had any guys complain that you didn't allow as much contact as the other girls?

One thing I've been meaning to ask someone... I haven't been in the champagne room yet. It doesn't seem too popular, I haven't really seen anyone going in or out of it. What exactly do you do in there? Is it pretty much just a 30 min long dance with some champagne and talking? Also, one guy told me he was in there and it was all you can drink beer, I'm like what? I thought you just got to pick a bottle of champagne. How does it work exactly? I'd love to try and sell some but I haven't really known what to say about it. I've hinted to a few guys, saying that I was new and hadn't been in there yet and would love to try is but no one seems to think that 30 min is worth $200.

btw, my new name is Piper, and it's working out very well! Being Desty for one night convinced me. "Dusty?" "No, DESS-ty." "Destiny?" "No Dest-EEE." "Oh, Zesty!" "No... Desty, D-E-S-T-Y" "OH DESTY!" "Yeah..."

Xiomara
11-30-2006, 02:53 PM
BTW your baby is beautiful xoxo

thank you. :)

Lysondra
11-30-2006, 06:59 PM
Am I the only one that gets REALLY pissed off in a no-contact cub when a manager/bouncer/waiter slaps you on the butt?

ExoticEngineer
11-30-2006, 08:30 PM
I prefer one way. I like to give a very sensual dance but I'm not a grinder and I don't shove the guys heads between my boobs for half the song....I wont complain if the custy touches my arms or thighs (as long as he's being nice and not a perv) but that' my line.

What I DO do however to make up for the lack of contact on his part (it's a big mix here of girls who like to be touched and girls who don't, so the custy never knows) is take his hands in mine and hold them in reverse....so basically our palms are facing the same direction....then I will put my hands on my hips, belly, side of my breasts and keep my fingers kind of 'up'. The guys all get a kick out of it and it seems to satisfy the need to have their hands moving around. Plus doing this they feel it's very intimate and at the same time I am constantly in control of where their hands are....it's worked for me so far.

DestyDoll
11-30-2006, 08:50 PM
I danced for a cpl the other day...young..she was kinda cute, he looked ghetto..whatever. They were OBVIOUSLY gearing me up to take me home..even after I told them I was married. She kept pulling her shirt up and wanting me to lick her boobs(no thanks) he kept pushing for me to make out with her(again..no thanks). They both kept trying to lick me.....it was 3 minutes of playing keep away from their tongues.They paid(actually she paid since he didnt have any money) ...then complained to the bartender "We just paid $30 and she wouldnt even make out with me!!!!!!" 1)they paid the $25 price..no tip and 2) WTF??? Sorry.....last time I checked sticking my tounge down a strangers throat was NOT part of my job description. And no...the rule doesnt change because you are a girl....grrrrrr

BLECH!!!! I had my first couple experience the other night, it was very dissapointing. I noticed that the girl was into me right away and I was excited to flirt with a girl/couple and try a couple dance. So I immediatly showed interest, starting chatting with her and flirting, etc. Then I told her that I hadn't done a couple dance yet and would love to do one for them, she seemed excited, but then they called me on standby. If you get a dance, you are excused from being on stage, but not if you're on standby, they prefer you to just do the 2 songs then the dance. She hadn't seen me dance yet so I was like, well I just got called on standby, so why don't you watch me on stage, and then we'll go back there and have some fun and she seemed like game. So when I'm done I go back to them and talked to her husband a little too. He had ordered wings and they just came and I brought up the dance (I was actually getting ready to leave so I told them that I had to leave soon but would love to dance for them before I left) and he basically told me that they weren't interested in a dance, they just liked meeting people to hang out with outside of the club. I appreciated his honesty, because he was very open and upfront about it, but she had already told me that she wanted a dance!!! They were all about spending time with me and my boyfriend, ugggghh. I played along because I wanted the dance. Even if I only sold them one, it's a double so it would be worth it which is why I spent extra time talking to them, plus I wanted the experience of a couple under my belt so I figured, who cares if I waste some time on this one. So, I decided to leave since my shift had ended like 2 hours earlier. Ughhh no dance, no tip, just got her email address!!! Don't need that, I need money, lol.

evan_essence
12-01-2006, 02:28 AM
I also tend to think that most the others who've experienced both and still do prefer more contact, prefer it because it's actually easier to keep the guy entertained that way. Not a laziness thing, but an it's-easier-to-make-money-this-way thing.Yeah, exactly. It's borne of business and pragmatism, not personal preference and certainly (sorry guys) not desire.


I actualy HATE when a guy just wants to RUB MY FUCKING BACK or TALK during the entire song. I'm not at a spa...I'm at a SC. That's just my mentality. I have a regular who insists on talking to me and "holding me and loving me" as he puts it for like 6 songs in a row!!! OMG! Drives me nuts, I'm always saying "Can't I dance for you?". Every now and again he'll let me. :OOh yeahhh, those kind. I can relate. I'd rather the touching be borne of a detached lust, not borne of, quite frankly, possession ('cause it ain't true love). I mean, all objectification is not created equal. There's sex object, which I'm okay with, and there's stalking object, which I'd prefer to discourage.

Considering there's no universal policy and no sure fire way to communicate what one's personal policy is, I'm thinking I should feel a little sorry for the customers who constantly face this confusing situation. Maybe. Well, on second thought... nahhhhh.

-Ev

betterthaneden
12-01-2006, 01:47 PM
contact definitly bothers me. nothing against those of you work @ contact clubs or allow it. just not for me. i don't mind the hands on my thighs or even my ass during a lapdance if the guy's not gross. but go anywhere near my neck, boobs or vag and it's DONE. i just can't handle it.

teddibare2
12-01-2006, 02:07 PM
Put me down in the category of some contact being easier to sell than no or very little contact. However, what bothers me about this issue is that the boundaries keep slipping and no matter how far they slip, they're sure to go further. (Barring, of course, a complete return to puritanicalism brought on by the moral police, which is not a desirable alternative.) I mean, is there no point where we can say, look, that's it, that's as far as it goes, no mas. This is the final version and if you're not satisfied with that, sorry, this isn't the service for you. I know, I know, I'm dreamin'.

-Ev


I've been danceing in fairly low contact clubs for ten years.I really can't deal with custy's touching me, but I'll touch them(except the groin area) and I'll rub my body down their's,massage their neck,etc. No grinding, just smooth and sensual. I really don't think dancers need to let men touch them.We are a FANTASY, you can't touch a fantasy.Us dancer should respect our bodies and demand to be treated with respect. I see men every night that think they can do whatever they want to us because more and more girls are lowering their standards.I'm not trying to lnock any one who does full contac or extras, but I feel that as dancers and as WOMEN we should show everyone that strippers are human too and we deserve the same respect that you'd give your banker or jugde for that matter.OK, I'm done now. Thanks for reading my rant and please join me in my mission to get us more respect.

Frankie Vargas

Lola Rose
12-01-2006, 02:07 PM
I've danced at the club Janessa works in, she actually refered me, and I didn't mind so much. It's way different from my home club, no contact w/ vp rooms. I was selling something different. I think in a no-contact club, I'm selling a fantasy, and there is sooooo much $$$ to be made in that. I work harder to sell it, but the payoff is great. In contact, I can be lazier, b/c I'm selling a reality. It's easier to do repeat dances, 3-4 is about the most, normally. But, you have to work at it, physically dancing for every buck. So both are fine with me, and I'll do whichever I feel I can make the most $$$ at.
(Except I don't like guys too touchie w/ my breasts, b/c I play them off as real. I'm afraid someone will notice they arent! And no pinching my nipples or w/ev, and no mouths!)

Lola Rose
12-01-2006, 02:15 PM
BLECH!!!! I had my first couple experience the other night, it was very dissapointing. I noticed that the girl was into me right away and I was excited to flirt with a girl/couple and try a couple dance. So I immediatly showed interest, starting chatting with her and flirting, etc. Then I told her that I hadn't done a couple dance yet and would love to do one for them, she seemed excited, but then they called me on standby. If you get a dance, you are excused from being on stage, but not if you're on standby, they prefer you to just do the 2 songs then the dance. She hadn't seen me dance yet so I was like, well I just got called on standby, so why don't you watch me on stage, and then we'll go back there and have some fun and she seemed like game. So when I'm done I go back to them and talked to her husband a little too. He had ordered wings and they just came and I brought up the dance (I was actually getting ready to leave so I told them that I had to leave soon but would love to dance for them before I left) and he basically told me that they weren't interested in a dance, they just liked meeting people to hang out with outside of the club. I appreciated his honesty, because he was very open and upfront about it, but she had already told me that she wanted a dance!!! They were all about spending time with me and my boyfriend, ugggghh. I played along because I wanted the dance. Even if I only sold them one, it's a double so it would be worth it which is why I spent extra time talking to them, plus I wanted the experience of a couple under my belt so I figured, who cares if I waste some time on this one. So, I decided to leave since my shift had ended like 2 hours earlier. Ughhh no dance, no tip, just got her email address!!! Don't need that, I need money, lol.

A little hint on how to avoid this type of thing, b/c couples can be fantastic:

Don't flirt too much, b/c most women don't really understand that it's just a game. Keep it fun and friendly, but business too. Don't spend too much time w/ them, espically. Younger custys in general are less likely to spend, and young couples are no exception. Also, were you doing the club a favor by going on stage? I wouldn't do this unless it's mandatory or you will get alot out of it, like smaller fees/good tips. You work for yourself,not the club.

Ok, I'm done, back to the topic;)

clelie.cutie
12-03-2006, 08:58 PM
It depends on who it is and how they're touching me. Like, I had one dude wrap his legs around my calves when I was sitting in his lap-- didn't like that. If they look shady or are extra grope-y or push the limits of club rules it bothers me. I had one guy who kept stroking the area in between my boobs (because yeah, there's that much space) and I knew he felt like he was getting away with something, because you're not allowed to touch boobs in my club. If they're otherwise respectful and let me stay in control, I'm OK with most touching.