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Legion
12-12-2006, 04:22 PM
I am gonna try to live as healthy as possible so I have to see them as little as possible.

Sounds like you at least got something out of it -- a healthy distrust of doctors probably saves more lives every year than doctors do.

kittykat88
12-12-2006, 04:50 PM
^ It's so sad that that could very well be true!

sassfire
12-16-2006, 10:35 PM
About 3 weeks ago I was admitted to a mental health hospital because I arrived in an ER in a "canatonic" state due to stress from the passing of a loved one. I came out of it in about 2 hours and never wanted to harm myself in ANY way before, during, or after the ordeal.
First, sorry to hear about the death in your loved one.

I told the doctors and the social worker for the mental hospital this over 70 times. The social worker convinced me to go voluntarily to the hospital, and that I could leave at any time, I wouldn't have things taken away from me, etc. She spent 2 hours on the phone with the insurance.
70 times, think about it, you arrive in an catatonic state and for some reason (only you and the EMT knows why) you are put under suicide watch. As if they are going to believe you. You can say it a million times, that will only validate their reason for holding you. As for the long call, sorry that sucks. Perhaps she was on hold. Who knows.


I finally get there and find out there are not beds in the grief unit (where she promised I would be) for atleast 3 weeks and I was stuck with the alcoholics unit.
Never heard of a grief unit, but anyway. No one can really guarantee a bed for anyone. They had to place you where they had the space to put you. Plus they had to put you in a unit where the hospital staff can take your case. The staff may be overloaded. Hospitals are busy and full to capacity. That means you may wait in ER for hours. Priority goes to severity of the case. You can also be moved several times to. It is sorta like putting pieces of a puzzle together, where new pieces pop up all the time.

I do not have a problem with narcotics nor alcohol. The patients there sexually harrassed me by touching me, grabbing me, pushing me, and verbally threatening and suggesting we should do sexual things. I told the nurses and they did nothing. I even had a patient obessesd with me.
You should of reported to the charge nurse and then the nurse administrator. Even though they are busy, they have to let file an complaint. You do have right despite the fact to them you are "just another nutcase".

After this I went to the front to go ahead and leave and they said I couldn't because I was admitted under suicide, which I later found out was only said so my insurance would pay for it.
They are not going to let you leave. Once the EMT picked you up and no one was there who could be legally responsible for you, the hospital is responsible for you. If the hospital you went to was a state hospital, insurance has nothing to do with it. State hospitals cannot refuse service to anyone. They are going to ask about insurance for everybody who is admitted in the hospital. If they just let you go and something happened they will be in legal trouble. For the ones who don't have insurance well medicare and the state pays.

Like I said before, in no way or form (and I have witnesses) did I say I wanted to harm myself nor did I in the past, and the ER doctor saw no purpose to commit me and did not feel I was a danger to myself. So basicly at this point I was stuck since they could put me on a 96 hour hold if I tried to leave since I was under suicide watch.
Who actually are your witnesses? The people that you felt were harassing you. Do you really want people who are in the alcoholic ward and their co-dependent family to be a witness for you? The ER doctor had to hold you for 4 days. It is not they were holding you, because you were person of the day, they were holding you because they had to. The hospital has to legally hold you for 4 days. If they released you earlier and you kill yourself or if someone harms you, they could be sued. People do convince the staff of something to later kill themselves afterwards. Once a pt convinced a sitter that they were fine. The sitter got too carefree and the pt committed suicide quietly in the bathroom. Rare, yes but it happens. The hospital cannot take that risk.

I finally talked to my assigned doctor and he mentioned things in my record that I didn't even say, like I was held against my will as a sex slave for 6 months at age 14 (I was going to school etc so that doesn't make sense)
Who knows what you said, remember that you were the one who came in a catatonic state? If they gave you meds, maybe that was the meds talking. I have had patient say crazy shit to me and not remember what they said the later. After a while you just learn to roll your eyes and think "whatever".

and he would not answer where he got the information from nor did he let me see my record at all.
Hmm, in that case I wonder who gave them the information? Since you arrived in a catatonic state, they had to get information for you from anyone. That anyone cannot sign a medical consent for you, but they can give information for you. I suggest you ask the friend who contacted the ambulance what they told the EMTs and doctors.
As for your chart. You can look at your chart, but you have to sign a request form and then you can look at your chart while you are watched. This is done to insure that you don't remove things from your chart such as progress notes, lab results, etc. You can still look at your chart, just go the "medical records department" and put in a request.

I stayed in there 4 days until I finally got discharged when I saw a new doctor who saw no need for me to be there.
Like I stated before, the hospital has a legal obligation to hold you for 4 days. If they could release you earlier, they would have. The old doctor had to transfer you case to the next doctor on shift. Once they filled their legal obligation to hold you for 4 days, they could get rid of you.

It was the worst 4 days of my life, constantly being harassed, in the wrong area, etc.
I hope that you are doing better. I do realize that you feel like you were wronged, but there is more to a hospital then what people know about. The next time you want to leave tell them that you will sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) statement. This alleviates the hospital in being legally responsible for you if you do something to yourself or something happens to you. If you sign this waiver insurance companies and medicare will not pay for you stay. You will be responsible for the cost of your entire stay.

PaigeDWinter
12-16-2006, 10:59 PM
Ugh. I have had HORRID experiences with the mental health system. YES you need to obtain a lawyer. YES you need to get a hold of your records. YES you should take this to the media. I did none of these when shit happened to me, and that $^&%^&@%^&@@ place is still up and running, no thanks to me. GRR. So many people are mistreated within "the system" and why? Because those who aren't afraid to tell aren't believed. They're looked at as crazy, so who believes them?

madmaxine
12-16-2006, 11:03 PM
See: "Stanford Prison Experiment". Some people are quick to abuse authority over others if given the opportunity (also see: strip club management.)

Being around mentally ill people breeds contempt...it is very easy to lose patience with a person who is not rational enough to control themselves or is too dangerous to be allowed in public....I am speaking from experience here.

sassfire
12-16-2006, 11:06 PM
Well when i have to sit with a 1:1, I bring a magazine and prey that the patient doesn't talk to me or tries to attack me.

Bridgette
12-16-2006, 11:14 PM
^^Hi stant.

:laughing:

sassfire
12-16-2006, 11:21 PM
^^Hi stant.

:laughing:

Who are you talking to? If you are refering to me....... AND.

Jenny
12-16-2006, 11:22 PM
Hi... I mean what? Who's stant? What's a stant? Where?

Bridgette
12-16-2006, 11:23 PM
I'm referring to you, stant. Didn't you ask to get banned a while back?

sassfire
12-16-2006, 11:32 PM
I'm referring to you, stant. Didn't you ask to get banned a while back?

I thought so. Hell no, reread the thread. I said several times that I am not going anywhere. Are you trying to start shit with me? If so, be up front about it and don't beat about the bush. I'm sure that the mods won't give you points or delete your post. Dish it out.

Oh and I do believe you mean skank. So phuck off.

PaigeDWinter
12-16-2006, 11:36 PM
So wait, this is a case of misrepresented vagina?

Jenny
12-16-2006, 11:43 PM
I thought so. Hell no, reread the thread. I said several times that I am not going anywhere. Are you trying to start shit with me? If so, be up front about it and don't beat about the bush. I'm sure that the mods won't give you points or delete your post. Dish it out.

Oh and I do believe you mean skank. So phuck off.
No. She didn't.
Out of curiosity - why not? I'm not saying you have to, and I have no power to make you. But, I mean you obviously don't like it here. You seem to hold all the people who do like it here in contempt. I always wonder why people come to what is essentially a social place to spend their off hours relaxing - evidently with a whole lot of people you don't like at all. What an odd thing to do. One might even say crazy. I mean you say you hate the party line here, the fact that everyone "obeys" the party line and the fact that people who come here are expected to obey the party line - why not find someplace without a party line? Some place where people like you. The internet is a big place. You could do it.

Now everyone sing with me:
There's a place for us (or in this case, just you)
Somewhere a place for us....

Okay, sorry everyone. I'm under a lot of stress and haven't been getting a lot of sleep. And sometimes you just really need an internet singalong.

Bridgette
12-16-2006, 11:55 PM
I thought so. Hell no, reread the thread. I said several times that I am not going anywhere. Are you trying to start shit with me? If so, be up front about it and don't beat about the bush. I'm sure that the mods won't give you points or delete your post. Dish it out.

Oh and I do believe you mean skank. So phuck off.
No, I don't mean skank. I mean stant. I wasn't beating around the bush at all - that was a very direct call-out. YOU are the one trying to hide ::)

LoveSexMoney
12-17-2006, 12:11 AM
So wait, this is a case of misrepresented vagina?

indubitably :detective

sassfire
12-17-2006, 12:21 AM
No. She didn't.
Yes she did
Out of curiosity - why not? I'm not saying you have to, and I have no power to make you.
Yada yada yada
But, I mean you obviously don't like it here. You seem to hold all the people who do like it here in contempt.
I don't hold anyone in contempt, after all who the hell are you to me anyway. However I will only respond to post in the exact tone that is given to me. I present an alternative view and I get neg points and attacked at the same time. Of course, there is only one side of a story on this site.

I always wonder why people come to what is essentially a social place to spend their off hours relaxing - evidently with a whole lot of people you don't like at all.
I initially signed up for this site for the same reasons that others may have signed up. I use to be a stripper. You can believe it or not, but that is the truth. Do I have to prove that you, hell no. Just because that I use to be a stripper doesn't mean that I have to hold the same general views as other strippers do. Also just because I hold different views and am not afraid to post them, doesn't mean that I am a troll either.

Like I said before, but let me make it clear you attack me verbally or say something smartass to me, I will respond in kind.

What an odd thing to do. One might even say crazy.
It is a forum and I am not going to hide in a corner because people don't like me. Nor will I ask for my account to be deleted. Of course, this is out of my hands because it is very easy to get neg points and then you are banned anyway. If I got something to say, I will say it.

I mean you say you hate the party line here, the fact that everyone "obeys" the party line and the fact that people who come here are expected to obey the party line - why not find someplace without a party line?
I hate the rules that are biased. You are not allowed to trolls but the "others" can create several post asking about trolls. People can attack you as long as you are "liked". If someone posts a post that it critical and yet has a hint a truth, the thread will be locked or the post deleted. I can go on and on. By the way, I am not the only one who has seen some problems.

Some place where people like you. The internet is a big place. You could do it.
So the real reason for your reply comes out and you say that I don't like anyone here. I don't mince words, if I don't like you I will let you know.

Now everyone sing with me:
There's a place for us (or in this case, just you)
Somewhere a place for us....
Ha Ha very funny.

Answer me this, why are you getting testy with me? I responded to this thread in a respectable matter. Yet you choice to take it to another level. Looks like you are the one who wants to create drama and tension, perhaps you get off on it.

sassfire
12-17-2006, 12:22 AM
No, I don't mean skank. I mean stant. I wasn't beating around the bush at all - that was a very direct call-out. YOU are the one trying to hide ::)

Hide from who? I do have a life.

Jenny
12-17-2006, 12:51 AM
Yes she did
No, she actually didn't.


I don't hold anyone in contempt, after all who the hell are you to me anyway. However I will only respond to post in the exact tone that is given to me. I present an alternative view and I get neg points and attacked at the same time. Of course, there is only one side of a story on this site.
See? There you go. You don't like it here. I mean, that's okay. A lot of people don't like it here. They find it too female centered, or too cliquey or too elitist - I just don't get why you want to hang out here then. I mean, this whole post outlines how much you dislike this site. I mean, why not find a site you like instead? You see, I do like it here. Hence my many thousands of posts. But if I didn't I certainly wouldn't hang out here anymore. I would either find a site I did like or shut off my computer (thank god it hasn't come to that).


I initially signed up for this site for the same reasons that others may have signed up. I use to be a stripper. You can believe it or not, but that is the truth. Do I have to prove that you, hell no. Just because that I use to be a stripper doesn't mean that I have to hold the same general views as other strippers do. Also just because I hold different views and am not afraid to post them, doesn't mean that I am a troll either.
Yeah, but again - you clearly don't like it here. I mean you preface every post with "You guys are so narrow minded you're just going to flame me for this" - what's the point?


It is a forum and I am not going to hide in a corner because people don't like me. Nor will I ask for my account to be deleted. Of course, this is out of my hands because it is very easy to get neg points and then you are banned anyway. If I got something to say, I will say it.
But again, it begs the question why? Although, if I may point out - I am not wildy social with any of the mods. I don't exchange emails or Christmas gifts and I'm not all pally. I don't elicit a lot of agreement with a lot of people. I disagree with people - a lot. Yet despite these things - despite not being best friends with the mods or agreeing with everything they say I've only ever had a post deleted in a string of other deletings, I can count the number of times I've been admonished and I've never been issued a point. It's not THAT hard to get along here, and you don't have to agree with everything everyone else says (like that is even possible).


I hate the rules that are biased. You are not allowed to trolls but the "others" can create several post asking about trolls. People can attack you as long as you are "liked". If someone posts a post that it critical and yet has a hint a truth, the thread will be locked or the post deleted. I can go on and on. By the way, I am not the only one who has seen some problems.
Again - you don't like it here. We get it. It's fine. We're not trying to clockwork orange you - I'm not even going to argue the point of whether you are right or wrong. I don't really care. I'm just wondering - why spend your free time e-socializing in a place you dislike so much.


So the real reason for your reply comes out and you say that I don't like anyone here. I don't mince words, if I don't like you I will let you know.
What do you mean? The real reason was hidden? I thought it was perfectly direct. You've bitched, moaned and complained in every post and have made it a weird point of pride that "you're not going anywhere." If I disliked this board as much as you did, I would go somewhere else. I'm really interested in what the draw is to this board. Why, exactly, you hate it but want so desperately to stay here. You haven't addressed that at all. You've said (again) that you're not leaving and that you hate it here but you're not leaving. Why not either get along and like here, or go somewhere you can?


Ha Ha very funny.
Thank you.


Answer me this, why are you getting testy with me? I responded to this thread in a respectable matter. Yet you choice to take it to another level. Looks like you are the one who wants to create drama and tension, perhaps you get off on it.Maybe. I have a normal human appreciation and appetite for gossip and stuff. But we've had a few people who do nothing but bitch - not to be confused with the people who are active and valued and sometimes or occasionally bitch - and complain about the site. People who get banned and then come back in different incarnations and bitch more. People who go to other message boards and start threads about us. People who try to harass posters in real life by calling their clubs and whatnot. So really, I'm looking for a little insight - why do people get so damn obsessed with this board? I mean, I think we're awesome, but you evidently don't.

sassfire
12-17-2006, 01:11 AM
Are you on something, why do you keep repeating yourself? I don't like to be attacked and I assume that is a responsible explanation. I like the occupation of stripping and I appreciated some to my time as a stripper. Some of it sucked yes, but that is the nature of the job. I thought this was a stripper forum. I didn't know that I had to hold the exact same views as the typical stripper in order to post here.

What's with the obsessed stuff? Because I post here means I am obsessed, hardly. I have just as much right to post my opinions and views as any stripper and ex stripper does. As long as I don't insult or harasses others (another rule that is violated by others), I should be allowed to post.

Jenny
12-17-2006, 01:16 AM
You are allowed to post so far as I'm concerned - I have no power or authority to determine who posts where. And I'm not attacking you. And I'm repeating myself for the obvious reason that I would love a satisfactory answer to the question - I get that you liked stripping; you don't, however, like this board. So the fact that you are allowed (because none of us have an inherent right to this board) to post here notwithstanding, why do you want to? I'm actually just curious - like I said we get a lot of people who ostensibly really dislike this board who really really can't let it go.

sassfire
12-17-2006, 01:25 AM
You are allowed to post so far as I'm concerned - I have no power or authority to determine who posts where. And I'm not attacking you. And I'm repeating myself for the obvious reason that I would love a satisfactory answer to the question - I get that you liked stripping; you don't, however, like this board. So the fact that you are allowed (because none of us have an inherent right to this board) to post here notwithstanding, why do you want to? I'm actually just curious - like I said we get a lot of people who ostensibly really dislike this board who really really can't let it go.

You are harassing me and I will report you.

exotisch23
12-17-2006, 01:44 AM
wait-did I miss something? Is sassfire a dude or..? :nosy:

Jenny
12-17-2006, 02:00 AM
You are harassing me and I will report you.And suddenly you don't mind the moderation so much. What happened to wanting to freely air different points of view?

I can't stop you from reporting me (in fact, this is kind of a hijack. The OP ought to report me. But please don't) but I don't think asking you why you choose to post here when you so strenulously dislike it can be characterized as harassment. I haven't called you names or followed you from thread to thread or sent you a PM; I feel reasonably confident that I'm still in the realm of normal disagreement. If the powers that be disagree - well I've supported their perogative when it comes to other people.

gingerlee
12-17-2006, 02:05 AM
Ok, sorry for getting back to the topic the OP posted, but I wanted to add that you should speak up. If you don't, you're going to kick yourself later for not doing so. I was a kid when I started dealing with the mental health field, so I didn't really get a choice in my treatment.

Now that I'm technically an adult it pisses me off to no end that I am on so many meds that my own doctor says I am a walking science experiment. I've been passed off from doctor to doctor every place that I have lived. My doctor now is awesome, he doesn't just want to drug me up. He doesn't want to screw with what I am taking though, because the last time we did I got sick. I was so sick I couldn't even hold my head up. I had to be carried through my own house because I was too dizzy to walk. I couldn't work for more than a week, and when I went to LA to work, we had to make sure I was done with shoots by 4PM because after I took my afternoon doses I couldn't remember my own name.

If they put you on meds, please be careful. Especially if you decide to stop taking them. Detoxing from some of them is dangerous, and even though going to a doctor right now sounds like a really bad idea, you need to at least talk to somebody.

What did you decide to do about this situation BTW?

sassfire
12-17-2006, 10:53 AM
And suddenly you don't mind the moderation so much. What happened to wanting to freely air different points of view?

I can't stop you from reporting me (in fact, this is kind of a hijack. The OP ought to report me. But please don't) but I don't think asking you why you choose to post here when you so strenulously dislike it can be characterized as harassment. I haven't called you names or followed you from thread to thread or sent you a PM; I feel reasonably confident that I'm still in the realm of normal disagreement. If the powers that be disagree - well I've supported their perogative when it comes to other people.

First what does it matter to you? Second, I come here for the subject matter of stripping. I do think it sucks that different opinions have to be banished to the blue side. I do not like the rules and they do suck. This is a perfect example. If I posted your same post I would get points, and as a matter of fact I did. So I will play it your way, hence the reports.

I answered the question about doctors in a respectable matter, but you (yes you) hijacked the post and begin this dialgue about why I am here. You have no right to question why I am here. If I attack you then fine, but I did not. So kindly find someone else to bug.

It is clearly stated:
Reports should be used to help identify SPAM, misplaced, and problematic (harrassment, fighting, rude) posts. Thank you for helping make our site a better place.

The so called rules should apply to everyone.

Now to report you, again.

sassfire
12-17-2006, 10:59 AM
wait-did I miss something? Is sassfire a dude or..? :nosy:

Excuse me. No I am not a dude, I would appreciate it if you all would stop alluding to that false tripe.

LoveSexMoney
12-17-2006, 10:59 AM
so, just to clear up any confusion...did you previously go by the screenname stant?

sassfire
12-17-2006, 11:28 AM
so, just to clear up any confusion...did you previously go by the screenname stant?

I had to look up to see who you were talking about. No I am not stant. I read some of his post, and although a bit crude he does give a solid argument. Oh my, I just said that I see the point of someone you all obviously hate.

Once again, my screen name is SASSFIRE, it has been the same since I originally signed up.

LoveSexMoney
12-17-2006, 11:40 AM
ok gotcha ;)