View Full Version : using abortion as birth control
Laylas
12-12-2006, 10:46 AM
Honestly? We are all in control of our own bodies. Yeah, she's being irresponsible, but so are many many MANY people in the world. Alcoholics are still legally allowed to buy alcohol. I don't agree with it, but that's their right. They can legally go out and purchase bottles of liquor and drink themselves to death, and we can't do a damn thing about it. Do we impose a limit for how much they are allowed to buy/purchase? No way! There is such a thing as....free choice. Legally imposing limits on certain things (especially birth control) just because a small percentage of people don't know their limits/too dumb to figure them out would anger me MUCH more then what this lady is doing to her *cough cough* OWN body. Yeah, it sucks, but it's WAY better then the government interfering in the lives of ALL women.
Yekhefah
12-12-2006, 10:52 AM
^^^ Well, just for the sake of argument, we do impose limits on alcohol consumption. Bars and liquor stores are not allowed to sell more alcohol to people who are already drunk, and most municipalities impose a time at which point no alcohol can be sold and people have to go home and sober up for awhile. Of course you can stock up and drink at home with previously-purchased alcohol, but the limits are there to make it harder for people to drink themselves to death.
I agree with your premise in that giving the government jurisdiction over reproduction would have way too much fallout. But just because you have the LEGAL right to do something doesn't make it okay.
jasmine
12-12-2006, 12:13 PM
why is it misuse for abortion? She doesn't want it.
Why would 7 be any different than 1? Who gives anyone moral authority over someone else to even consider "misuse" over a medical procedure.
I think this is a case of MYOB.
Usually I am in agreement with the mods on topics like this. However this time I must say that using abortions as a form of birth control is one of the things in this world that seriously pisses me off.
I am pro-abortion, and do not believe anyone should have to bring a child into this world who is unwanted. I also happen to realize that most people who have habitual abortions (I have known a few) use the welfare system to pay for them. I am morally and ethically opposed to this practice. Why should my family have to spend our tax dollars to continually fund these women with abortions because they are too lazy & or stupid to use contraception which is readily available at health departments and much cheaper than repeated abortions? Furthermore, why should anyone use such an extreme measure when birth control options abound? I mean once is an accident, more than once is delibrate or these women are the dumbest people on the planet. (Sorry, I have no tolerence for ignorance.)
Lastly, might I say passing laws against this practice would probably not help the situation in any way, because these women would still become pregnant and then rely on the system to support their children which they in turn would neglect (& that is only IF they decided not to turn the child over to the state).
I guess there is nothing to be done about this other than saying people with that level of irresponsibility really drain our system.
Jasmine
Emily
12-12-2006, 12:21 PM
Jasmine. We don't disagree.
I think it's disgusting and irresponsible, but I care more about protecting women's rights than whatever this girl is doing with her body. I also don't feel that anyone has the right to judge anyone else for getting abortions, whether 1 or 7.
jasmine
12-12-2006, 12:48 PM
Jasmine. We don't disagree.
I think it's disgusting and irresponsible, but I care more about protecting women's rights than whatever this girl is doing with her body. I also don't feel that anyone has the right to judge anyone else for getting abortions, whether 1 or 7.
Sorry, I somehow read the first page of responses then went all the way to the last page without seeing anything in between, and this altered my post I fear. Just fould out there are 4 other pages.:-[
I'm just a little cranky right now. I keep thinking how unfair it is all these girls managed to have (or could have) perfectly healthy babies who don't want them when me and my husband have had such a difficult time trying to have a second child. Just had an amnio this morning because they suspect Down's and want to be prepared at the birth. I know I'm a little irrational, so don't take offense to me today please.
Jasmine
sophiemarie
12-12-2006, 01:01 PM
Imagine if there was not a choice for an abortion? This counrty would not be so free which is what the republicans want. It's crazy.
Thank God for people like Hillary Clinton. Women should always have a choice. You have to be hoest with yourself about whether you can afford a ckild or even want a child. I know having a kid for me is not an option. I just got out of dancing and got into a new and very mature relationship.::)
Zabrina
12-12-2006, 01:18 PM
Usually I am in agreement with the mods on topics like this. However this time I must say that using abortions as a form of birth control is one of the things in this world that seriously pisses me off.
I am pro-abortion, and do not believe anyone should have to bring a child into this world who is unwanted. I also happen to realize that most people who have habitual abortions (I have known a few) use the welfare system to pay for them. I am morally and ethically opposed to this practice. Why should my family have to spend our tax dollars to continually fund these women with abortions because they are too lazy & or stupid to use contraception which is readily available at health departments and much cheaper than repeated abortions? Furthermore, why should anyone use such an extreme measure when birth control options abound? I mean once is an accident, more than once is delibrate or these women are the dumbest people on the planet. (Sorry, I have no tolerence for ignorance.)
Lastly, might I say passing laws against this practice would probably not help the situation in any way, because these women would still become pregnant and then rely on the system to support their children which they in turn would neglect (& that is only IF they decided not to turn the child over to the state).
I guess there is nothing to be done about this other than saying people with that level of irresponsibility really drain our system.
Jasmine
If the concern is over tax dollars, then the multiple abortions are still much cheaper than supporting all those welfare children for the next 18 years. It's one hell of a bargain actually.
As much as we all think its a crappy, stupid and irresponsible thing to do, the abortions are still much better than the alternative.
Laylas
12-12-2006, 01:33 PM
^^^ Well, just for the sake of argument, we do impose limits on alcohol consumption. Bars and liquor stores are not allowed to sell more alcohol to people who are already drunk, and most municipalities impose a time at which point no alcohol can be sold and people have to go home and sober up for awhile. Of course you can stock up and drink at home with previously-purchased alcohol, but the limits are there to make it harder for people to drink themselves to death.
I agree with your premise in that giving the government jurisdiction over reproduction would have way too much fallout. But just because you have the LEGAL right to do something doesn't make it okay.
Yeah, def. was thinking about the core idea, not really specifics. But it's a lot harder to stock up on abortions then it is liquor... :) And no, obviously just becasue something is legal doesn't make it okay, that's where the "free will" & "making good decisions" come into play. I guess I'm saying that even though I will never come close to wanting to do either of these things, I still want the right to have as many abortions as I need, or to buy tons of liquor in the morning to drink myself into a stupor/coma later that night, without it being illegal & having the government make the decision for me.
But I have to admit, I'm not really pro-goverment at the moment, so take my opinion with a grain of salt 8):)
jasmine
12-12-2006, 03:32 PM
If the concern is over tax dollars, then the multiple abortions are still much cheaper than supporting all those welfare children for the next 18 years. It's one hell of a bargain actually.
As much as we all think its a crappy, stupid and irresponsible thing to do, the abortions are still much better than the alternative.
Zabrina,
I did acknowledge that there is not a good alternative, that it just made me angry to see that level of irresponsibility and fetal abuse (I know I just made that term up).
Here is the 2nd half of my post.
"Lastly, might I say passing laws against this practice would probably not help the situation in any way, because these women would still become pregnant and then rely on the system to support their children which they in turn would neglect (& that is only IF they decided not to turn the child over to the state).
I guess there is nothing to be done about this other than saying people with that level of irresponsibility really drain our system."
Oh, & BTW I support freedom of choice in every instance. I just occasionally get pissed at idiots who abuse our freedoms & turn them ugly in certain instances when they are postive things that should always enrich our lives. Just because I am angry at abuse of the system that I don't agree with doesn't mean I would do anything to change our freedoms, because that would inevitably alter our entire existence. For instance, I am still entirely opposed to the seatbelt laws and can't figure out how this is in any way constitutional, even though I have always worn mine and insist my family does so.
virgoamm
12-12-2006, 03:52 PM
I would have to agree that using abortion as a means of birth control sickens me. I am pro-choice and believe it is a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy if she chooses and doesn't feel like the time is right in her life to become a mother. While I also agree with what others said that it is good that she isn't "popping out kids like a pez dispenser" and having kids she doesn't want and can't support or take care of-but seven abortions??? Come on!! When it reaches this point, it ceases to be an accident and becomes just pure laziness and stupidity. Has this chick ever heard of birth control?? Take a Depo shot already, geez........
Dottie Rebel
12-12-2006, 07:57 PM
Lastly, might I say passing laws against this practice would probably not help the situation in any way, because these women would still become pregnant and then rely on the system to support their children which they in turn would neglect (& that is only IF they decided not to turn the child over to the state).
Not only that, but women have a third option that no one is considering, aside from safe, legal abortions and having a kid that will be a drain on the state. I don't suppose any of us are old enough to remember coat hangers, back-alley botch jobs, questionable "herbal" concoctions...?
All of those in favor of limiting the number of abortions allowed: Do you really think that will stop women from terminating their pregnancies? Do you think a civilized society allows women to bleed to death on their bathroom floors? Do you think the cost of heir subsequent care is not a drain on society? I think this issue is a lot more complicated than some people are making it out to be.
tootsie
12-12-2006, 10:05 PM
my point really is, why would anyone go to bed with multiple partners and not use a condom, have them come in her and her just think that if she gets pregnant then she can just have another abortion? THAT IS WAY TOO MANY!
my point really is, why would anyone go to bed with multiple partners and not use a condom, have them come in her and her just think that if she gets pregnant then she can just have another abortion? THAT IS WAY TOO MANY!
No one's saying it isn't a reprehensible decision, but it is still her decision to make. It's not for you or anyone else, for that matter, to decide for her, much though you may wish it. You have the best of intentions, I'm sure, but this is her body and her choice. You're just going to have to resign yourself to that.
Bridgette
12-12-2006, 10:28 PM
I don't see why anyone has to get pissed off about it. It's NOT YOUR PROBLEM. It's HER problem. So if she wants to make such bad choices for HER life, it's no one else's business, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't do it for myself, and I don't agree with it, but there's a whole LOT of things people do in this world, that I don't agree with but that also don't affect me so I've got nothing to say about it. The thing that I find most annoying is when people feel the need to pass judgement on others and/or impose THEIR morals on others.
mild2wild
12-13-2006, 09:30 AM
Seriously, it is not a 'reality' until it is close to you (In your family) of an unwanted child birth! recently a family member had a son and she did not really want him, however due to her bad ways she did not even know she was pregnant until she was about to give birth. The baby is sitting at the hospital and the mum has gone off and wont take responsibility of what she has done! So yes! I agree with abortions even if they use it as bc. You dont know hard it is to sleep when you know your baby relitive is in hospoital on detox due to PAC and his mum is no where to be seen! Last thing you want for a baby is that!
flickad
12-28-2006, 06:58 AM
No such thing as 'misuse of abortion', nor should there be. It's her fucking body and her fucking business. What do you care about whether/why/how often your friend chooses to have her uterus scraped out, anyway?
flickad
12-28-2006, 07:09 AM
I am in complete shock that the majority of you agree with what she is doing! I think she is very irresponsible, it's no big deal to her. it's like "o i'm pregnant again, gotta hurry and get off my ass and get a job to get yet another abortion that i don't even know who the father is AGAIN" I just hope this abortion fucks her insides up, or even being fatal to her.
What a wonderful friend you are.
Lola Rose
12-28-2006, 10:59 AM
Back to the topic: I've met people that are pro-choice, but their personal choice for themselves would be not to have one. But they know they have no business telling someone else to not have one.
I'm like this. I couldn't see myself ever having an abortion. In my case, it would be selfish, because I would definately be capable of having and raising a child in a safe, comfortable and loving enviroment. Before my miscarriage, and before I even knew I was prenant, I knew it would never be an option for me, and now I feel even more strongly that I could never abort my own child.
But I have two close friends who had abortions. One is a VERY religious girl who got pregnant by a guy coming on her, without even having sex. At a party, just once. She had no idea she was pregnant untill she looked up what could be causing her symptoms. I took her to get it, and held her hand. She was devestated, but it was the right decision for her. That was about 8 months ago. She's now in her second year of seminary in Israel, and engaged.
My other friend is in a commited relationship with a guy she loves very much, and who she very well may marry someday. Financially, there is no way for them to support a child, they both go to college and work full time in retail. It hurt her very much, and him as well, but it was the best thing for them.
So, I really think something like abortion has to be carefully decided in a case by case decision. What's right for one person isn't necessarily right for the next, and so on.
But as birth control, no. It's lazy, pathetic and irresponsible to have that many abortions, and to use them as a first resort. Birth control, for the most part, is easily accessible, and condoms are given out free at health departments, doctors offices, and some schools. But no matter how many abortions a woman has had, it's still her choce, and I wouldn't try to stop her from oing what she wants. She just needs to be better educated about other options.
Emily
12-28-2006, 11:02 AM
One is a VERY religious girl who got pregnant by a guy coming on her, without even having sex. At a party, just once. She had no idea she was pregnant untill she looked up what could be causing her symptoms.
Do you really believe this? I mean....sounds a little suspect to me.
Lola Rose
12-28-2006, 11:26 AM
Do you really believe this? I mean....sounds a little suspect to me.
I do agree that it's far fetched, and I don't think I'd believe it myself if I was you.
But, she's a very VERY close friend of mine, and was visiting me (She lives in brooklyn). Her fiance is my 2nd cousin. Anyways, I do believe her, b/c I was there.
I felt very guilty, because I took her to a party she didn't even want to go to, because I was so into some jackass,and I made her come with me. She got very drunk, and did some very out of character things. I shouldn't have ever taken her with me, or left her alone. She wasn't exactly forced, but she wouldn't have done anything like that had she been sober. She was so devestated the next day, and after her abortion as well. She was deeply depressed about it, and Itake so much responsibility for that.
If it was anyone else, I wouldn't believe it, but i've known this girl all her life, she went to school with me. I grew up in a very religous community, and it's very tight knit like that.
Sirona
12-28-2006, 06:08 PM
One is a VERY religious girl who got pregnant by a guy coming on her, without even having sex. At a party, just once.
I mean technically you can get pregnant if sperm comes in contact with your vagina so if they were nekkid and rubbing all over each other and he "left a deposit" on her pink bits it IS possible even without penetration.
I'd think the odds are fairly slim though.
jaizaine
01-01-2007, 08:01 AM
the thing that shocks me the most about someone having so many abortions is that the friends of mine who i know who have had abortions found them very emotionally traumatising. for most women it is a horrible decision to have to make and a very hard thing to go through with.
the fact that this woman is using it as birth control seems to indicate that she does not consider it a big deal and that's what i find disturbing.
i am not against abortion at all and i do not think any law limiting abortions should be passed because i do not think governments should be able to legislate over women's bodies, however, i worry about the type of woman who feels nothing when doing this over and over.
not the type of woman i would want to befriend.
a co-worker of mine said she had an abortion at 19.5 weeks into the pregnancy. she said that she had an ultrasound and because the pregnancy was so far along she could feel the baby kick but she felt that she could not go through with the pregnancy.
so she had a very late abortion (i think she said she did not realise she was pregnant?) and she said she considered killing herself afterwards.
she said a lot of women hate her for this. i am certainly not one of them, i feel very sorry for her that she went through this, it must have been horrible.
sorry to hijack the thread and change the topic here, i was just thinking about it a lot since she told me the other night. i really got to me i guess.
JennyDahl
01-01-2007, 02:47 PM
I just wanted to add that abortions are free in some states if you are on a state funded health care ......so you have nothing , you get pregnant , you go apply for free care ( which any pregnant women can get in any state that I know of) make an appointment at your local clinic for an abortion and its all taken care of . Free and clear my friends , I think planned parent hood charges for BC ...nice huh
Lola Rose
01-01-2007, 03:01 PM
^^ And almost ALL local health departments have free birth control. I know for sure that florida does. You just need a noterized letter saying you're below the poverty level. The letter is also free. You just need to write, "I, name, make less then blah blah a month" date it, and get it signed/ stamped at a bank, which is free! THEY ALSO GIVE OUT FREE CONDOMS :) So there's really no excuse not to protect yourself.
tootsie
01-01-2007, 03:11 PM
^^ And almost ALL local health departments have free birth control. I know for sure that florida does. You just need a noterized letter saying you're below the poverty level. The letter is also free. You just need to write, "I, name, make less then blah blah a month" date it, and get it signed/ stamped at a bank, which is free! THEY ALSO GIVE OUT FREE CONDOMS :) So there's really no excuse not to protect yourself.
THANK YOU!
Lola Rose
01-01-2007, 03:20 PM
THANK YOU!
of course ;D Abortion is each womans choice, sure. But so is PROTECTING herself!
JennyDahl
01-01-2007, 07:01 PM
^^ And almost ALL local health departments have free birth control. I know for sure that florida does. You just need a noterized letter saying you're below the poverty level. The letter is also free. You just need to write, "I, name, make less then blah blah a month" date it, and get it signed/ stamped at a bank, which is free! THEY ALSO GIVE OUT FREE CONDOMS :) So there's really no excuse not to protect yourself.
Well i wasn't sure , I would hope they would !!! Personally I am in no need of either BC or Abortions .....;D
Lysondra
01-01-2007, 09:49 PM
I'm sure it was an innocent game of "just the tip" ;)
Wow, are you serious? What states offer free state-funded abortions? I thought surely NO states offered those in this day and age.
I know California does.
Lysondra
01-01-2007, 10:28 PM
Really? I've known people on medi-cal and their abortions were NOT free. How do you know this to be true?
Well, I'm not running around with any babies.
tootsie
01-01-2007, 10:57 PM
Well, I'm not running around with any babies.
I thought you were from aus
Lysondra
01-01-2007, 11:02 PM
I thought you were from aus
I'm American living in Australia. I lived in California for 17 years about.
Lysondra
01-01-2007, 11:06 PM
^do you think it was no cost to you because you were a minor or do they provide that benefit to every female on medi-cal?
I wasn't a minor. I said I lived there 17 years.. doesn't mean I didn't leave and come back.
I got it because I had no income.
Lysondra
01-01-2007, 11:15 PM
I lived in Cali til I was 17... moved to Michigan... came back at 18, turned nineteen within months and then left to Australia... it was in that time... I wasn't dancing then, either.
I don't talk about it... but I understand the curiosity.
Sirona
01-03-2007, 06:35 PM
I'm sure it was an innocent game of "just the tip" ;)
Wow, are you serious? What states offer free state-funded abortions? I thought surely NO states offered those in this day and age.
Mass does. I went through Planned Parenthood.