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velvet
12-13-2006, 12:10 AM
Excellent point.


now Jo you need to write and add your link.

to the rest of you ladies nice letters. sadly i doubt they will be published

xfatrabbitx
12-13-2006, 04:21 AM
augh.. i just read the first page. "some girls will cry because they are getting a gift." (a brochure and lipgloss.) WTF ..



hahahahahaha
yeah that was ridiculous.. she made it seem as if we're in some kind of 3rd world country and are forced to work this horrible job... honestly, if a female custy came in and gave me a brochure and lip gloss i'd either 1. kick her out cuz i'd think she was trying to poisen me with tainted lipgloss, or 2. take it graciously and throw it away later...

but yeah, she made us look like the stripper stereotypes that everyone thinks. On drugs or outta rehab. Getting fondled everyday..all having crackhead mothers, whatever else. But like someone said earlier, her life didn't seem to be going so well even before she started to dance, so...
If there's an email address you guys have so we can give some feedback, please post

Starfire
12-13-2006, 09:42 AM
does anyone else find it annoying you are supposed to provide your adress and phone number to send a letter to the editor? ps this article really sucks, I was going to renew my subscription to glamour but now I'm not. Perhaps someone could send them a link to this thread so they can see they really are losing our businness. I also stopped reading cosmo after they wrote something negative about strippers. (cosmo sucks anyways though.) For anyone who used to enjoy glamour I've found marie claire to be on the same level, I think I will renew with them instead.

colleen
12-13-2006, 10:07 AM
Awesome husband, its great that they will get a male opinion too.
I think that your letter is perfect as it is, expresses how upset the article makes you, all of us, without being over the top. I love that you call us assertive women, after all aren't these types of magazines all about unleashing the 'fun fearless females'? Yet they print something like this slamming a group of women who dare to be unconventional and in control of their lives. Hypocrites

You should write them and make that point. And EE, your letter was excellent. I. too, felt there was more to say, but I figured they would not hear from a lot of 2nd-decade vets like me, so I chose something I didn't think would get much attention from other people.

I could have written a whole book, if I'd had time.

BrunetteGoddess
12-13-2006, 10:19 AM
does anyone else find it annoying you are supposed to provide your adress and phone number to send a letter to the editor? ps this article really sucks, I was going to renew my subscription to glamour but now I'm not. Perhaps someone could send them a link to this thread so they can see they really are losing our businness. I also stopped reading cosmo after they wrote something negative about strippers. (cosmo sucks anyways though.) For anyone who used to enjoy glamour I've found marie claire to be on the same level, I think I will renew with them instead.

Yes that was annoyng. I've never been that into Glamour, so I'm not too suprised. Marie Claire whoops Glamours pants off.

Damia
12-13-2006, 06:11 PM
Im seriously considering writing an article for like Cosmo or something for the 'real life reads' as 'my life as a stripper' and focus all on the postive aspects...

How much ya wanna bet they wont print it? LoL

I agree. The magazines (along with most people) are trying to demoralize this industry and turn young girls whom read these magazines off from dancing all together.

Lysondra
12-13-2006, 06:12 PM
I agree. The magazines (along with most people) are trying to demoralize this industry and turn young girls whom read these magazines off from dancing all together.

Isn't that a good thing? Doesn't that mean we'll make more money?

BrunetteGoddess
12-13-2006, 06:23 PM
That's what I was thinking!

francescadubois
12-13-2006, 08:36 PM
Yeah, let's pump out more of these articles so we can all the money for ourselves!!! :D

(shivering)"...the precious..."

colleen
12-14-2006, 09:25 AM
I put this in my MYSPACE blog. Thought you all would get a laugh out of it.

"No one should have to be a stripper" She spent years dancing naked for leering men clutching $5 bills. Now she's trying to help other women escape the soul-killing triple-X life.
Now seriously, nobody HAS to be a stripper. Me, I could have taught school. I did that for one soul-killing year. Every day I faced a few dozen cocky, arrogant, misguided adolescents and attempted to teach them the pleasures of reading and learning and using their minds. And then they told me they hadn't done their homework because they were too busy watching TV or getting laid.

I could have stayed in retail. I could have killed more than my soul managing a Radio Shack store, mandatory 54 hours a week on $25,000 salary, with abusive customers and a misogamistic district manager. I was seriously expected to tell customers "thank you, please visit us again" after they threw merchandise at me. It happened more than once, and let me tell you, getting beaned in the side of the head with a package of four D batteries, HURTS!

But no, I chose to give all that up for the sad and depressing work of dancing. I must admit, I feel SOOOOOOOO degraded when some moron grabs my ass, that I just have to turn around and smack him for it. (Smacking people who desperately dereve it is jsut so humiliating, don't you think??) It is completely demoralizing to have people greet me warmly, buy me drinks, and give me compliments. I felt so much more respected when the great majority of people I met in a day would imply or even say outright, what do you know; you are only a woman (teacher)?

I really hate that, you know. Having people act happy to see me. I hate it more when they say how much they enjoy my company, or my dancing, or even looking at various parts of my body. I really mostly especially hate it when I know I have made somebody happy, really brightened their day. Absolutely disgusting.

And do you know what else I hate? (Ohhhhhh, I am on a roll now!) I hate not punching a time clock. I hate not being responsible for other people's children or merchandise or money or property. I hate being able to stay home with my kid when he needs me and taking time off to help my mom. Making my own schedule really sucks. So does picking up an extra shift or two whenever I decide I want something.

And I really really f'ing despise making as much in 2 days as I used to make all week, attempting to put a little sense into the heads of other people's insolent brats. Now I have no bloody choice but to spend some of my extra time and income with my own son, making sure he does not grow up to be the same kind of willfully ignorant, arrogant little cuss that I so enjoy beating my head against. Damn! That was one of my life's ambitions, to be so busy providing for my kid that I didn't have time to raise him. And I guess I have to spend the rest of my free time building up my couple of businesses and making my husband feel like the luckiest man alive. Man, that irks me!

Yo, sister! Over here! I need to be saved!

nychaos99
12-14-2006, 11:29 AM
This reminds me of tonight's episode of Intervention.

There was a bulimic girl who became a stripper so she'd have money to buy all her food that she would binge on. She hid it from her parents so they wouldn't be ashamed of her. Her father's reaction (when he was told about the stripping) was something along the lines of "wtfomg!!!!one!!!". He was calmer with the fact that his daughter had been a bulimic for over three years than with the idea of his daughter being a stripper (or at least it came off that way to me).

I bet that'll influence a lot of people's perception of the stripping industry. Well, the people that watched it anyway.

Did anyone else happen to see that episode...?

-slowly trails off topic- Sorry. :O


I think I saw that episode, but I didn't watch it all the way through- Was it with the sandy-haired blonde, she drove a truck that broke down, and her parents put a pad-lock on the fridge?

That was just terrible, by the way. How in the WORLD did she eat all that???

-slowly joining you on the off topic trail-.....

Eve21
12-14-2006, 11:37 AM
I wrote Glamour a letter about how pissed I am too. They lick super-model's and celebrity's asses - people who get paid to be hot - and then trash us! Women who have to be beautifull and actually WORK for our fucking money! I really like how Harmony blames stripping for her crappy 3 years instead of the scum-sucker she was sleeping with.

BrunetteGoddess
12-14-2006, 01:36 PM
Ugh, saw the issue of Glamour in stores today with the pictures and such. Bwuhahaha, she was a goofy looking stripper!

ntbubbles
12-14-2006, 02:37 PM
I put this in my MYSPACE blog. Thought you all would get a laugh out of it.

[...]

Yo, sister! Over here! I need to be saved![/FONT]

Colleen, this is awesome.

Yep, I definitely miss my days at Blockbuster Video being yelled at by 9 year olds for not having the latest XBox game. ::)

Innocense
12-14-2006, 04:21 PM
Honestly, this articule is fucked up! She's was a stupid drogadict dumn ass girl dating a pimp! It's not our faul she was so stupid! and that doesn't mean we are all like that!
I am a dancer because I love to be a dancer. I don't do any drugs, Hell! I don't even smoke, I am married to a wonderful man who treats me with nothing but respect, who loves me and takes care of me, and I don't even let guys touch me when I'm giving a lap dance!

Hello_Kitty27
12-14-2006, 07:14 PM
I think I saw that episode, but I didn't watch it all the way through- Was it with the sandy-haired blonde, she drove a truck that broke down, and her parents put a pad-lock on the fridge?

That was just terrible, by the way. How in the WORLD did she eat all that???

-slowly joining you on the off topic trail-.....

Yep that's the one. i was gonna post on here about her father's reaction, but that last time I did that (re: a stripper having some kind of issue on Intervention and the parents being more upset that she was stripper than a drunken drug addict) I got flamed by some people, both on the forum and in PM. I didn't want to deal with it this time around.

Anyways, I haven't read the article yet. I got my magazone today and will read it yesterday. I plan to write a letter to the editor as well, but from the point of a female customer / friend of dancers. Sure, I've seen my share of the 'typical' stripper-stereotype, but I have great friends who've made a great living dancing and they are intellgent, witty and all-around good people. It really chaps my ass when I hear people going off on some rant about strippers.

prrfektwurld
12-14-2006, 08:32 PM
You ladies are so amazing!

I read this article at my lovely nine to five "regular" job and became angry like no other.

I'm drafting a letter to Glamour. No one should have to be a stripper, sure, but not everyone is cut out to dance. Not everyone is cut out to be in this industry. Clearly, Harmony Dust wasn't. But she shouldn't judge those of us who are.

Hello_Kitty27
12-14-2006, 08:37 PM
Shit, the more I think about it the more annoyed I am. I should write an article "No One Should HAVE to be a Piss-On Underpaid Taken-Advantage-Of Administrative Assistant" b/c let me tell you - that's what I am and I am exposed to shit that is unbelieveable. And there are millions of women in corporate america that know exactly what I am talking about. I see sexual harassment, gender discrimination, people being fired, physical fights between our union employees, I hear about men cheating on their wives (and no, not with strippers! ;) ), etc .....anyways this article makes me so irritated. When I can collect myself this weekend, I'm gonna explain to them that this article is very biased and is not at all accurate for a majority of dancers. (I can't wait to see if they'll publish any letters going against this article)

ExoticEngineer
12-14-2006, 11:53 PM
^ Doubtfull, although it would thrill me to see them at least apologize....

A strange thing happened after I wrote that letter to Glamor though. I decided I wanted to let my parents (Mom) know I was dancing. It occured to me that by defending myself, and being proud of what I do and who I am as a person, I shouldn't worry about what some stranger, who obviously has issues that she should be medicated for, thinks....but instead focus on giving my family that perspective.

I'm still rolling the idea around more and more. I love my mom to death, and we have a good, not great, but healthy relationship for two grown women....and if I can write to a national magazine and exclaim that I am proud of myself and feel good about myself then I'd better stick to it, or be a hypocrite......

gonna sleep on it...... :)

BrunetteGoddess
12-15-2006, 02:22 AM
Wow EE, good luck!

ntbubbles
12-15-2006, 06:51 AM
What a brave move, EE! I have not told my parents, and don't think I'm going to any time soon. Not because I'm ashamed of what I'm doing, but because I know that, even though I know that they would (eventually) support me it would be really hard for them. And I don't feel like I need to put them through that.

I have told pretty much everyone else I know, though. My friends, even some of my professors. So I think that pretty much confirms that I'm not ashamed at all!

ExoticEngineer
12-15-2006, 07:50 AM
**Thinking I'll wait till after the holidays....I'd hate to be "The stripper that ruined Christmas"! Maybe New Years......

So, any more letters to Glamor? C'mon...share!

~B

virgoamm
12-15-2006, 02:51 PM
I *heart* Colleen. That was awesome! 8)

thechaosfairy
12-15-2006, 05:13 PM
I hate how a big part of her "getting out" was finding a husband, like she needs a man to support her.

There's a guy in Portland who's had a classified ad in Exotic Magazine for the whole year I've been working. It says, "LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT?? Single male in search of a beautiful female to send back to school (?), spoil and travel with. Long-term relationship desired." And then there's a phone number. (If you want to know what it is for some reason, just download the magazine as a PDF and find the ad. I keep wanting to phone him up and give him a piece of my mind.)

There's just so much wrong with this, I can't even list all of it. He wants a woman as a commodity, but tries to look like a "rescuer" -- more like a life-long strip club experience, I'm sure. Yeah. Instead of being a fantasy dream girl for hours of every day, be one for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. Keep up the facade of love and gratitude in exchange for this loser's pocketbook. That's not a way out, that's a way deep, deep in. Anyone who can do this without going insane, more power to her, but that's not anyone I know.

Half the girls in Portland have been to school already anyway. When the club is dead I have been known to break out a CD with "What Do You Do With A BA In English?" on it. :-)

thechaosfairy
12-15-2006, 05:16 PM
P.S. No one should have to work. We should always be provided for by the Magic Millionaire Money Tree and have our asses wiped for us by robots.

Failing that, I at least enjoy working in an industry where I don't have to constantly make myself sick from lack of sleep, because my body's not built for 40 hours a week.

ntbubbles
12-15-2006, 05:25 PM
P.S. No one should have to work. We should always be provided for by the Magic Millionaire Money Tree and have our asses wiped for us by robots.


:rotfl: Ain't that the truth?! Maybe if I plant a dollar in my backyard it will grow into a money tree.... (side note: did anyone else do this when they were little? I think I planted some change in hopes a tree would grow. Weird kid, I know.)

thechaosfairy
12-15-2006, 05:41 PM
I think there's a special technique for taking cuttings, only harbored by the secret order of money gardeners.

Katrine
12-15-2006, 05:41 PM
Ok, I'm screwed up. But then again, I was screwed up before and after stripping. There are certainly some consequences of this industry. But then again, there are psychological consequence of being a garbageman too. Notice how people speak to their kids when they don't study: "Keep doing this and you'll wind up being a garbageman!"

Waste collectors serve an extremely important role to us. Yet they are looked down up as the least ideal job to do. Imagine how that feels to a father with a family he supports this way.

I don't know if this is directly tied to the convo. I havn't even read the story, not in the mood to be pissed off.

Paintbaby
12-15-2006, 06:31 PM
so a stripper found jesus....whoopdefuckingdo

Where was he?

madmaxine
12-15-2006, 06:52 PM
There's a guy in Portland who's had a classified ad in Exotic Magazine for the whole year I've been working. It says, "LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT?? Single male in search of a beautiful female to send back to school (?), spoil and travel with. Long-term relationship desired." And then there's a phone number. (If you want to know what it is for some reason, just download the magazine as a PDF and find the ad. I keep wanting to phone him up and give him a piece of my mind.)

There's just so much wrong with this, I can't even list all of it. He wants a woman as a commodity, but tries to look like a "rescuer" -- more like a life-long strip club experience, I'm sure. Yeah. Instead of being a fantasy dream girl for hours of every day, be one for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. Keep up the facade of love and gratitude in exchange for this loser's pocketbook. That's not a way out, that's a way deep, deep in. Anyone who can do this without going insane, more power to her, but that's not anyone I know.

I dated a guy like this. The straw that broke the camel's back was when he looked at me like I was a toddler & said, "Now, you KNOW you can't keep dancing if you're with me, right?" M*therf*cker, you met me through my dancing! Unfortunately, I only thought that response in my head- I was too amazed at his stupidity to say anything.
YEAH as far as I know he never got a girl to take the "rescue" bait I rejected- he was a loser looking for the life-long fantasy dream girl.

thechaosfairy
12-15-2006, 06:56 PM
It's totally possible that some woman wants to be that girl for the $$$, but if she does, she's sure as hell not looking for "a way out"!

Damia
12-15-2006, 11:33 PM
I dated a guy like this. The straw that broke the camel's back was when he looked at me like I was a toddler & said, "Now, you KNOW you can't keep dancing if you're with me, right?" M*therf*cker, you met me through my dancing! Unfortunately, I only thought that response in my head- I was too amazed at his stupidity to say anything.
YEAH as far as I know he never got a girl to take the "rescue" bait I rejected- he was a loser looking for the life-long fantasy dream girl.

I don't get that either. I've been with a couple of guys since i started dancing and they tried to say that I can't dance. My reply was 'Are you going to cover my expenses?' No? I didn't think so.

thechaosfairy
12-16-2006, 04:03 AM
They must think it's a thing like a hobby or a relationship. Not, you know, a JOB. :P

colleen
12-16-2006, 08:00 AM
Thanks, Chastity and ntbubbles. I used to want to be a newspaper columnist. I read Mike Royko and Ellen Goodman and Bob Green and so on all the time. I guess some of it rubbed off after all!

rusdancer
12-16-2006, 11:02 AM
[quote=Katrine;912765]Ok, I'm screwed up. But then again, I was screwed up before and after stripping. There are certainly some consequences of this industry. But then again, there are psychological consequence of being a garbageman too. Notice how people speak to their kids when they don't study: "Keep doing this and you'll wind up being a garbageman!"

Waste collectors serve an extremely important role to us. Yet they are looked down up as the least ideal job to do. Imagine how that feels to a father with a family he supports this way.

This is a bit off topic,but yeah,I do agree.They say this a lot especially in europe.My father used to say that if I don't study I'll be selling cucumbers and potatoes at a farmers market,or even passiong out toilet paper in a public toilet.
But....about the garbageman......It's so ironic,I met one in NYC,and can you believe,it turns out that he ran most of the trash collection business for Manhattan and Brooklyn,the guy was a millionaire.So....I've learned my lesson from this,you just never know.

Lysondra
12-16-2006, 11:50 PM
Where was he?

Fucker was hiding behind my bushes... I'm pressing charges.

makeitrhyme
12-17-2006, 01:35 AM
I think I saw that episode, but I didn't watch it all the way through- Was it with the sandy-haired blonde, she drove a truck that broke down, and her parents put a pad-lock on the fridge?

That was just terrible, by the way. How in the WORLD did she eat all that???

-slowly joining you on the off topic trail-.....


Yeah that was her. :D At the end it said that she was no longer stripping or binging. Yay she is saved! -eye roll-

noelle
12-17-2006, 09:47 PM
I wrote a letter too. Ugh, what a terrible article. I can't imagine any stripper ever CRYING because they were given gift bags full of tacky crap. I can't even imagine strippers not getting those women kicked out of the club immediately for being a nuisance.

Damia
12-18-2006, 02:52 PM
This all kinda reminds me of an article i just read today in Black Noir called 'Can a stripper be a Christan?'

ExoticEngineer
12-18-2006, 04:25 PM
can this be found online? ^^^^

Gypsy14
12-20-2006, 01:12 AM
Although the Glamour article is (in my opinion) completely innacurate and disgusting I do see one good thing that might come out of it. If more girls start viewing stripping as "degrading" and not glamarous (isn't that what this article is basically saying?) maybe there will be less girls wanting to be strippers and/or following their boyfriends/husbands into stipclubs -- we all know how annoying that is! I don't know about you girls, but I am sick of my club hiring new girls ALL THE FU**ING TIME! and I am sick of groups of girls showing up at my club and acting like ignorant boneheads. Let all those girls and women out there think that stripping is bad -- see if I care!

No, all this article will do is keep out the intelligent young women who don't want to "degrade" themselves. We will continue to see the drugged-out, co-dependent girls come in who don't think they can do any better. And the sharp, assertive girls who may have considered it if Glamour had bothered to give a two-sided, unbiased article may no longer even consider it as a profession because of the negative light in which it's been portrayed. I don't think this article will do anything for the people who desperately need the money and don't feel that they have any other options (especially people like Miss Star Dust who apparently seem forced into the career by deadbeat boyfriends). However, it will probably make everyone else think twice.

So sad. The truth is that we need more stable and awesome, pro-active- SW-esque women in this profession to show everyone how truly COOL strippers can be.

ExoticEngineer
12-20-2006, 01:37 PM
^ yep ^

Gypsy14
12-20-2006, 02:48 PM
I wrote a response, though... so there's another! Mine was long haha... they probably won't read it all.

Guenevere
12-20-2006, 11:36 PM
No, all this article will do is keep out the intelligent young women who don't want to "degrade" themselves. We will continue to see the drugged-out, co-dependent girls come in who don't think they can do any better. And the sharp, assertive girls who may have considered it if Glamour had bothered to give a two-sided, unbiased article may no longer even consider it as a profession because of the negative light in which it's been portrayed. I don't think this article will do anything for the people who desperately need the money and don't feel that they have any other options (especially people like Miss Star Dust who apparently seem forced into the career by deadbeat boyfriends). However, it will probably make everyone else think twice.

So sad. The truth is that we need more stable and awesome, pro-active- SW-esque women in this profession to show everyone how truly COOL strippers can be.

But don't you think that if an "intelligent young women" or "sharp, assertive girls" saw this article they would be bright enough to realize there are ALWAYS two sides to a coin? I wonder how many of us here are those descriptions and did hear only negative things about the industry and checked it out for themselves anyways??

Gypsy14
12-20-2006, 11:52 PM
Of course, but that's not to say that the discouragement of Glamour will help their negative views. And this article definitely has the potential to reach out to people, otherwise, it wouldn't be such a big deal to us.

lilriot_atl
12-20-2006, 11:52 PM
Thats a complete bunch of crap (the article that is). Stripping actually kept me out of the poor house and furthered my education. If it wasn't for stripping I wouldn't have two degrees, a house, a new expensive car, everything that I could possibly want (within reason) and my boyfriend.

I don't drink like a fish nor do I do any drugs nor do I prostitute myself out.

Now I do have a harsh outlook on religion but who wouldn't when it compromises their job?

WTF?

-e

mina loy
12-22-2006, 12:39 AM
i wrote a letter and sent it via snailmail. it pretty much contained what everyone else said above. i dispute what ms. dust says about all strippers being unhappy women. last night a fellow dancer asked me if i was happy, in general, pointing out that i'm young, single, and a graduate student with no children. i said yes, i was. i elaborated by telling her that these circumstances alone don't make me happy because like every other person, i have problems as well. i'm a happy person with problems. yay!

anyways, i started thinking if my fellow dancers were happy people. i concluded that the majority probably were. yet ms. dust probably only could see the negative parts of her coworker's lives in the dressing room. for some reason the dressing room just brings out a lot of negativity in everyone. it's a toxic place that i try to avoid as much as possible.

are the rest of you strippers happy wo(men)?

ExoticEngineer
12-22-2006, 11:42 AM
**If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands!** (clap clap)

ntbubbles
12-22-2006, 01:54 PM
*clap clap clap clap clap*

I'm incredibly happy knowing that I'm going to graduate with a PhD and ZERO student loan debt. While still being able to avoid the life of your typical starving grad student. No ramen here! Ha!

:cheers:
Three cheers for stripping!

sugartaste
12-22-2006, 11:52 PM
Having always considered Glamour to be one of the only halfway decent, woman-positive mainstream mags out there, reading this article was a definite shock. Glamour should be publishing articles about strong, independent, positive women (and they often do), not digging up sleaze pieces that cast judgement on an entire group of women. Shame on you, Glamour!! My letter went out yesterday.