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casaubon1
12-31-2006, 04:24 PM
In my view, you can't seminar yourself into being a leader.

TOO, your post is the first time I have ever seen "seminar" used as a verb. I have never realized that one could go "seminar".

But I like it. And maybe the answer to the OP's question that $950 could be worth it if the company gives good seminar?

Mastridonicus
12-31-2006, 07:27 PM
What is really more sad, than anything is the fact that the attendees don't really see that the joke is on them. I mean, especially at that price.

All it is really, is preying on the insecurities of the purchaser that is so unhappy with his/her life that, through course work and training from people he's envious of that she/he may obtain the envy of others, when in reality, all she/he really wants is to mask his lack-of-confidence through the envy of others.

I'd rather spend the 950.00 on a trip somewhere I've never been before, by myself, and do things on the mentality that no one will ever see me again :D

The_Oceans
12-31-2006, 10:37 PM
i find it both amusing and irritating that these sort of "pick up strippers" seminars advise guys not to spend money on dancers and to basically be rude.
i don't understand how this would work.
firstly if a guy does not spend money on me at work i will walk away and find someone who will and secondly the rude approach leads to me being rude.
i despise rude people and will not waste me time being insulted.

I'm guessing (without looking at the site referenced by evan_essence), that the tacit assumption is that dancers don't date their customers, and once the guy spend money on you (the dancer), he becomes a "customer" and is automatically disqualified from having any chance with you. So as long as he *doesn't* spend money on you, he feels he still has a chance.

jaizaine
12-31-2006, 11:35 PM
I'm guessing (without looking at the site referenced by evan_essence), that the tacit assumption is that dancers don't date their customers, and once the guy spend money on you (the dancer), he becomes a "customer" and is automatically disqualified from having any chance with you. So as long as he *doesn't* spend money on you, he feels he still has a chance.

yes this is a very common assumption you are spot on there. many guys believe that this is true.
however anyone who walks through the door of the club is automatically disqualified from having a chance with me (even if i didn't have a boyfriend) and by not spending ITC they irritate me and waste my time. as soon as a patron shows any indication that he is not going to spend on me and is interested in me in a non-dancer way then it's "NEXT"

Taco Goblin
12-31-2006, 11:40 PM
Wow, what an interesting thread so far! Good reading.. Couple comments off the top of my head:

All vaginas are magical..

The comments about pedestal size make me uncomfortable. Um. It's not the size of the pedestal, but how you use it.. *cough*

Okay, so why would any guy drop 900 bucks on a seminar to date strippers? Mainly they're stupid. Lotta stupid people out there. BUT, there's a lot of guys out there that would kill to be able to date a stripper. Hell, I'll admit I'd like to date one.. wouldn't kill anyone for it certainly.. might punch an old person in the face to.. hmm... but I digress. So why? Not because I think dancers are some special sex machine that're automatically good in bed. I'm sure some guys think this way, and they're idiots. Not because I want to brag to all my friends that I'm dating a stripper. That's egotistical bullshit. I've got a friend like that.. he's an ass.

So, why? I don't go strip clubs to date dancers. That's fairy tale lala land nonsense for a shlep like me. I go to relax.. listen to some really good hopefully non techno music or else I'm leaving.. drink a few drinks.. and watch some women who are attractive and SENSUAL.. and that's where y'all have got me. The sensuality & the sexiness. Knowing how to move.. the breath on the ears.. the purrs.. knowing how to sit on my lap and be far more intoxicating than anything I'm drinking with just a few subtle words and caresses. You guys have got the sensuality thing DOWN, we know it, we watch it, we experience it, we want it. Your average woman who's a secretary in an insurance office.. or an engineer.. or whatever.. they typically don't have it, might not even understand it.. but they wish they had it. That's why Carmen Elektra can sell so many exercise dvd's under the "Aerobic Striptease" umbrella. That's why so many women sign up for "striptease" dance classes.. and bellydancing classes. They want that same sensuality. (and I'm willing to guess that the median price for those classes is probably right around 900 bucks.. *cough*)

That's my theory anyway.. I was with my -ex for about six years. Sex with her was wonderful.. BUT.. she didn't have a sensual bone in her body... no seductiveness, didn't know how to move. Oh, she tried.. but it either broke down into giggles of "oh I feel so stupid!" or it was like when you're right handed? and you try to write left handed? that's what it looked/felt like. There was never that feeling of UNGH! where you just NEED to kiss her in the way that starts off with grabbing her by the hair and pulling her head back so you can lick your way from her collar bone up her neck to her lips.. *ahem* yeah.. okay.. uhh.. so when I see you guys pull it off so easily, its very very compelling. That's all I'm saying.

In conclusion, pity the idiots willing to pony up dollars for stupid seminars.. but don't hate all of us who wouldn't mind a chance to eat a meal with you.

T-G

Jenny
01-01-2007, 12:10 AM
You would never guess from all this how many guys just don't even WANT to date me.

virgoamm
01-01-2007, 12:56 AM
Wow, Taco Golbin-I take that as a HUGE compliment! ;)

Smith
01-01-2007, 11:16 AM
Reviews:

Ross Jeffries' Speed Seduction is quite unusual and although some pickup artists swear by it, I've found it at best useful in knowing to avoid saying the word sex in a conversation and inadvertently point at another guy around the same time. This system would more likely to work for strippers in getting a dance than customers getting dates.

Ross Jeffries - How To Get A Stripper Into Bed (Complete).mpg (802 MB)
THE VIDEO LISTED ABOUT STRIPPERS IS USELESS THOUGH. HE JUST PUTS NEARLY NAKED STRIPPERS IN A VIDEO AND BRIEFLY INTERVIEWS THEM. Just get his standard program. The guy is truly hypotic himself so it might just work for you as a result if only because you will keep trying until you succeed.

Another guy, "Mystery", has a system called the "Mystery Method" that is the standard. He is a magician and entertainer that can walk up to anyone and dazzle and keep their attention. The guy is very savy and there are true diamonds of advice/information you can get from his system. If you want to know what is going wrong in certain situations, the system is all categoried with a state diagram depending on the dating situation so you can just reread the appropriate section. I don't do the system because I'm not interested in walking up to women and manipulating them with a prewritten story that is a complete lie. I'm just not the clown he is nor do I want to be. I have found it useful for when I honestly get into telling a story to notice when I'm saying things that potentially make a girl very attracted and to avoid unnecessarily mentioning things that would lessen that.

Mystery.Goes.To.Strip.Clubs.mp3 (27 MB)
THE AUDIO LISTED IS JUST HIM DRIVING HOME FROM A STRIP CLUB. He obviously is not a strip club regular and does not understand all the nuances of interaction in the club. The audio is therefore not too useful but better than the Ross Jefferies video. Obviously he's trying to apply a bar pickup system to a strip club and they don't fit but some of it does.

Bobby.mp3 (51 mb)
The audio is poor quality as the music from the club is hard to hear over. It is an audio of him manipulating a stripper with a stage name of Bobby into being very attracted and comfortable with him. 50 minutes into the hour: "Pretend like we've know each other for a very long time, at least three months. Ok. Now. Separate your fingers by an inch. Good, now put them together. Good. This is me. This is you. We're together right now. And I'm going to ask the little girl inside, not you now.. the little girl inside... how you feel about what it feels like for us to be apart or together. So separate your fingers by one inch.. Good. as time passes I want you to feel....the two of us...start coming together.. the longer that inch.. feel them come together.. the little girl....Her: they won't come together naturally ..... really.. lets up the stakes.. laugh.. here.. Her:they won't come together ..really ok how this..see these... watch this (obviously doing a magic trick)...oh my god.. do that again.. .. do it again...laugh.. oh my god. absolutely wonderful..clap.. ok run along run along and go make money nice day to you good bye (dismissive and he stops talking).... Her:No (in a really girly emphasized way)..Her:please.. Her:anyway.. long pauses on his part.. Her:anyway... (starts talking again) what was your real name... serena.. what was your stage name.. bobby.. um...thursday I'm going to the magic castle and I'd like you to come with me. I missed the first last show last thursday so I got to go again. So come back and we'll talk about it"

If you really want to date a stripper here's my advice: make friends with one and prove you can be just 100% platonic and just friends OTC. Then as any good friend would do if asked have her introduce you to other friends. Repeat until one sees you not as a outsider/customer.

P.S. Without saying enough to get me in trouble, lets just say I got a discount on all this material.

Star Player
01-01-2007, 02:29 PM
The $950 seminar sounds like a rip (save it for the gals). Want to get a stripper interested in you - just show her lots of green. Otherwise you are blowing in the wind. These ladies have said over and over in here they do stripping for work and for the most part have no romantic interest in customers (and many see guys who come to SC as losers). Read the handwriting on the wall.

The guys these gals are interested in romantically are primarily young and what they call hot. We custies are neither for the most part but we can still have some fun with these babes - its gonna take some green. Time to wake up and smell the coffee guys. Yes I have seen dancers OTC (sex, no platonic BS) - but its because of the green (and a gal who is open to hooking up OTC). No seminar necessary - my sig says it all - now if you will just send $950 to ..........

Don't bug these ladies about dating you in the traditional sense, many of them are wives and young mothers trying to make ends meet. Their heart belongs to hubby or BF, not some guy they see as part of their work. They are independent women who will date who they want - your role is about paying the bills.

jaizaine
01-01-2007, 06:34 PM
Star player can u come to my club and be my customer please!!!!!
You understand the game.
My club is in Australia though, bit far? hehe.
But seriously *respect* for your post you are much smarter than most guys who come to my club.

Jenny
01-01-2007, 07:29 PM
^^^
Oh my god. I think my entire head just exploded

Silverback
01-01-2007, 07:45 PM
^^^
Oh my god. I think my entire head just exploded

Can you post a picture? :eyebrow:

virgoamm
01-02-2007, 04:35 PM
^^^
Oh my god. I think my entire head just exploded

Now, I just need to pick my jaw up off of the floor. Jaizaine-NOOOOO!!!!!! :P

evan_essence
01-02-2007, 10:41 PM
Oh my god. I think my entire head just exploded:rotfl: Okay now. In fairness to Jaizaine, I'm guessing that she: A) doesn't know the sordid tales of outcall services told previously in the Strip Club Junkies forum by one mister Star Player, who we all assume previously posted as Derek, and B) somehow overlooked this little tidbit in his post: "Yes I have seen dancers OTC (sex, no platonic BS) - but its because of the green (and a gal who is open to hooking up OTC)."

So, y'know, I think she was focusing on his observations emphasizing how customers should expect to pay for our time in the club rather than get freebies. Therefore, she is to be forgiven. ;)

-Ev

kandie_kitten
01-02-2007, 10:48 PM
Magic Vaginas lol...It reminds me of Lil Kim in "How many licks"..." the lyrics "Designer pussy...my shit comes in flavors" lol


Seriously, I'm such a nerd outside of the club. Sweatpants, no makeup, big glasses replace my contacts, hair in a messy ponytail, no perfume...and *gasp* I might even skip a wax! I'm shy and quiet, and I prefer reading a good book to partying. I'm self conscious and I like bad movies.

In short...I'm a normal, boring girl.

Taco Goblin
01-02-2007, 11:54 PM
By the way, I chose to ignore Jaiz's faux pas, rather than risk any cranial injury.. I figure she's Australian.. so either a 'roo kicked her a might good one upside the head, or she was playing Aussie rules and took a particularly violent hit trying to nail that mark. (Go Essendon!)


Magic Vaginas lol...It reminds me of Lil Kim in "How many licks"..." the lyrics "Designer pussy...my shit comes in flavors" lol


Seriously, I'm such a nerd outside of the club. Sweatpants, no makeup, big glasses replace my contacts, hair in a messy ponytail, no perfume...and *gasp* I might even skip a wax! I'm shy and quiet, and I prefer reading a good book to partying. I'm self conscious and I like bad movies.

In short...I'm a normal, boring girl.

Oh, even better! I have to admit.. my favorite dancer? She's just stunning up on the stage, incredible in VIP.. but if I happen to be there at the end of her shift and she comes out to say bye to me in her street clothes, club look totally gone? That could be when she's at her most attractive.

In short... a normal, boring girl with the ability to be an SC phenom?? :worship:

TG

jaizaine
01-03-2007, 03:39 AM
Don't bug these ladies about dating you in the traditional sense, many of them are wives and young mothers trying to make ends meet. Their heart belongs to hubby or BF, not some guy they see as part of their work. They are independent women who will date who they want - your role is about paying the bills.

Oh this was the part i was saying that he is smart for. I wish my customers realised that I have a normal life OTC, I am in a long-term relationship, I dance for the money and I only see customers as wallets not potential dates.
And I did miss that part of his post about soliciting prostitution - I don't like guys who try to recruit dancers as prostitutes, they should just go straight to a brothel for that.
But the end part of his post was good advise for ALL guys to read before they come to a club.

It surprises me how so many seemingly "normal" guys come in and start asking the dancers out. It does my head in.

jaizaine
01-03-2007, 03:44 AM
By the way, I chose to ignore Jaiz's faux pas, rather than risk any cranial injury.. I figure she's Australian.. so either a 'roo kicked her a might good one upside the head, or she was playing Aussie rules and took a particularly violent hit trying to nail that mark. (Go Essendon!) TG

So new to the forum, yet already being insulting to other members, NICE!
Yes I am Australian and I live in Melbourne - I don't often encounter "roos" unless I'm at the zoo. Let me guess you think we all ride them around instead of using cars?
moron.

Taco Goblin
01-03-2007, 07:14 AM
So new to the forum, yet already being insulting to other members, NICE!
Yes I am Australian and I live in Melbourne - I don't often encounter "roos" unless I'm at the zoo. Let me guess you think we all ride them around instead of using cars?
moron.

Let me guess, you can't take an obvious playful joke? If I had wanted to be insulting, I would have.. gee.. I don't know.. come right out and called you a moron or something.

TG

Star Player
01-03-2007, 07:56 PM
Jaizaine your a sweet gal - would luv to party with you down under. The thing is its a heck of a long flight from Houston to there.....I would be awfull thirsty and in need of some good Australian SC fun. I would tip you well.....

FBR
01-03-2007, 08:31 PM
Several of the recent posts were off topic with name calling and so forth. Stop it. Please get back on topic which is the question of whether spending $950 on a course to learn how to pick up strippers is worth the money.

FBR

WhiteTara
01-03-2007, 09:54 PM
"Pretend like we've know each other for a very long time, at least three months. Ok. Now. Separate your fingers by an inch. Good, now put them together. Good. This is me. This is you. We're together right now. And I'm going to ask the little girl inside, not you now.. the little girl inside... "

A very long time...like three months? If anyone appealed to the 'little girl' inside me I think I'd smack 'em upside the head. Who buys this tripe?::)

jannisary
01-03-2007, 09:59 PM
I think it depends on what $950 is really worth to you. If you are an average middle class or working class guy, then that amount of money would seen to be a large amount to waste in such a manner. But if you have money to burn then perhaps taking a gamble such as this seminar would seem reasonable to some people. Especially if those people had previous experience with the "speed seduction" crap.

Really I think its those men with some experience and belief in the "mystery method" or "speed seduction" who are the target customers of this seminar. Its sort of a "culture" or grouping of people who buy into this stuff.

Those guys probably think WE are crazy and wasting money by going to strip clubs, buying lap dances and spending time on this forum.

We believe in "Strippers & Strip Clubbing", they believe in...hmm...."quick lays"?

In the last three months I've blown over $950 in the strip clubs in Brookyn and Washington Park, IL. Was it worth it? I believe so! But to the guy who has bought into the mystery method I would probably be a chump, loser, etc.

We may all think that seminar is a waste of time but we would never convince those guys of it.

Smith
01-03-2007, 11:41 PM
Those guys probably think WE are crazy and wasting money by going to strip clubs, buying lap dances and spending time on this forum.
They'd consider it a waste of time too. A large number of them share that stuff in torrents and pool funds to buy more and/or sneak in video cameras to tape seminars.

I posted one thread on a forum of theirs once. They rediculed me for spending serious money in the club and said it didn't count as a date even if I didn't have to pay for the sex outside the club if I had already given her money, period.

They were of the opinion they could just walk into a strip club, pay for nothing, drop all kinds of hints subtly how great they are in a series of entertaining stories, drop a few of "negs" to lower your self-esteem to that of a "normal" girl (like pointing out imaginary eye crusties or something), and magically yall would be attracted and making out with them in a corner. Then they build comfort, get yall to change locations a few times, maybe a second date, and in a certain number of hours you'd invite them back to your place if they asked what you had in your fridge and they said they liked Milk.

They just wouldn't understand that going in their and spending no money at all would be a bad start. Or that typical seduction wouldn't be completely boring, obvious, and frustrating from anyone who was not Brad Pitt taking a break from his movie down the street before accepting the Nobel prize. Nor that asking you to meet them when you gets off work in front of your coworkers would be a bad thing. Even the "master" on a tape that they sell at the end got rejected by two Hooters girls (not in a stripclub but very similar in that it they were hired as entertainment for that function) when he tried to get one of them to meet up later while still in front of the other. All I could think was he just didn't get that she was putting up with him and flirting only because it was her job and forcing her to make her coworkers think she is a ho and maybe even get her fired if she had gone out with him was not the best tactic.

evan_essence
01-04-2007, 12:51 AM
All I could think was he just didn't get that she was putting up with him and flirting only because it was her job and forcing her to make her coworkers think she is a ho and maybe even get her fired if she had gone out with him was not the best tactic.This is another example of what ticks me off about aiming for women whose jobs include faux flirting as part of normal customer service. I tried to communicate to their forum and a couple of them in private messages that it simply wasn't cool to be interfering with strippers who need to be WORKing in their WORKplace, and I might as well have been speaking a foreign language. The reaction I got was the equivalent of "yeah, thanks for that, hun" and a pat on the arse.

-Ev

Mastridonicus
01-04-2007, 07:01 AM
This is another example of what ticks me off about aiming for women whose jobs include faux flirting as part of normal customer service. I tried to communicate to their forum and a couple of them in private messages that it simply wasn't cool to be interfering with strippers who need to be WORKing in their WORKplace, and I might as well have been speaking a foreign language. The reaction I got was the equivalent of "yeah, thanks for that, hun" and a pat on the arse.

-Ev

What I find even more humorous is the undertone belief that you have to pick up a stripper whilst in the strip club. Since if she's fun, sexy, and great in bed, but you didn't meet her in the club, there is a possibility she may NOT be a stripper! *gasp*

::)

Let's face it, their pedestaling a JOB not just a person. Yet pedestaling is bad bad BAD!

Jenny
01-04-2007, 09:53 AM
This is another example of what ticks me off about aiming for women whose jobs include faux flirting as part of normal customer service. I tried to communicate to their forum and a couple of them in private messages that it simply wasn't cool to be interfering with strippers who need to be WORKing in their WORKplace, and I might as well have been speaking a foreign language. The reaction I got was the equivalent of "yeah, thanks for that, hun" and a pat on the arse.

-Ev
Well, ev - although I am a champion of all arguments that involve banging one's head against a wall - what were you expecting? They don't care about strippers or women - they care about getting laid. They could not care less about our rent, bills, tuition, livelihoods or anything else except successfully sticking a penis (preferably theirs) into us.

cinammonkisses
01-04-2007, 11:05 AM
uh, normal girls don't grind on cock for money :)

Yea, they just do it for free ;)

dtek
01-04-2007, 11:16 AM
Anither thinf they tell guys to do is to get a friend whose a girl to go out with them and talk them up to other girls. I was thinking I could start my own bussiness doing this. I'd charge $250 plus dinner and drinks and be thier "friend" and try to get them girls. The same guy that paid $1500 thaought $250 was too much!

Somebody else apparently thinks this can be a business too. Check out .

cinammonkisses
01-04-2007, 12:31 PM
Somebody else apparently thinks this can be a business too. Check out Wingwomen.com (http://wingwomen.com/).

Genius!! Hell, I wanna be a wingwoman now. But I'd be charging more than $75/hr

DylanAngel
01-04-2007, 12:54 PM
Yea, they just do it for free ;)


:rotfl: :rotfl:

Star Player
01-04-2007, 08:20 PM
I have found this thread entertaining to say the least, like there is some magic line that will get a gal to c u otc. The gal in my sig - she is a stripper I met at a SC. I have been seeing her OTC for over 2.5 yr (she must like something about me). Other gals have come and gone in that period, some of them strippers, some Waffle House waitresses but she has stayed for the ride and it has been well worth it.

Whether u c them itc or otc, it is always going to be the money that will keep them in orbit, especially if there is a substantial age difference. They may be stripping because they do not have a man to support them or the man they live with is incapable of supporting them (drugs, convicted felon, etc). The father of their kid (s) will have LT priviledges you will never have. Don't question this or believe they are going to marry you, etc. Stripping is their job, many are good at selling an entertainment fantasy, that you are on a hot date (I have some new years eve bashes at SC that beat the heck our of any regular date I would have had). This is what they do for work, they really have no interest in you once the dance (or session) is over and they have collected their money. Sometimes I have taken gals I met otc for dinner afterwards, but rarely. Inside the club - Compliment them, buy them drinks, take dances, and tip them well. If I am trying to get a gal to my table, I will tip her $5 or $10 on stage and say "come see me at my table as I would like to buy you a drink and take some dances."

Other times, if I sorta like a gal and she asks me if I want a dance, I will say "sure, but can I have more than one - not breaking the rules is it?" She will usually laugh - they like this.

Does it bother me its about the money? Not in the least bit, especially if I have a good time. Spend your $950 on the girl, not a seminar.

evan_essence
01-04-2007, 08:41 PM
Somebody else apparently thinks this can be a business too. Check out Wingwomen.com (http://wingwomen.com/).There are some news reports and videos of this at http://www.myspace.com/wingwomen.

OMG. I'm terribly torn about what I think about this. It's incredibly dishonest. Part of me feels that women are betraying other women for money. Do they screen these guys? Hello, serial rapists and murderers, here's a helpful service for you. The other part of me thinks that it's absolute justice that it's women making money from shy guys to help them, instead of guys teaching cultish seminars getting the money.

Actually, I don't think it's fair that the target woman who gives her phone number out doesn't get a cut of that $75 an hour. In fact, if I became a date, I'd want the same $75 an hour to go out. I mean, hey, you were willing to pay your wingwoman to do part of your work for you, why not pay me as your date to "facilitate" us getting to know each other?

Also, at what point in a possibly extended relationship with a woman you meet this way do you tell her that you used paid services? How is she going to feel about your trustworthiness in other relationship matters once she finds out? If you're a wingwoman, do you have time to socialize with your real friends anymore, and is your friendship now your business and therefore you can't afford to give it away?

Cripes. This makes strip clubs look like ethical havens. At least there are four walls and an obvious context of exchanging money to define what's really going on in there.

-Ev

evan_essence
01-04-2007, 09:55 PM
Well, ev - although I am a champion of all arguments that involve banging one's head against a wall - what were you expecting? They don't care about strippers or women - they care about getting laid. They could not care less about our rent, bills, tuition, livelihoods or anything else except successfully sticking a penis (preferably theirs) into us.Okay, honestly? I think I see a transition going on with Mystery Method. It started out as incredibly sleazy and cheesy. Marketed as get laid fast and often by using techniques that all but the most gullible would see as suspect. As it has evolved, I think the proprietors realize there's more money in transitioning to a more respectable and potentially more effective model. Putting an emphasis on meeting women and socializing successfully, with getting laid just one possible benefit when warranted. I suspect it's largely a new improved version of BS with multiple layers, but there are some people involved whose intent is honest. (If you saw the movie "Hitch" in which Will Smith played a dating coach, you remember the difference between a client with his heart in the right place and one who just wanted to get laid.)

Therefore, I find the "pickup strippers" mindset of the system to be an antiquated holdover of its more cheesy beginning. A mindset that should be dropped in favor of the new improved "has more merit" packaging. So if something I say influences someone with half a brain just a tad, then maybe it's worth saying. (And to be perfectly honest, if I didn't find it personally entertaining, I wouldn't do it for altruistic reasons.) Because guys listening to an all testosterone-filled forum about relating to women, well, that's just f**ked up. :)

-Ev

Smith
01-04-2007, 11:44 PM
IGNORE THIS ONE POST PLEASE. I've reconsiderd my point of view as I admit in the following posts.


I think that website is only for the New York area. Too bad too. $75/hour is cheap compared to the $2000/weekend + airfare/expenses the guys who run seminars wanted for personal coaching. Once I hired a local image consultant, and it was the best thing I ever did. But doing my best at researching, I could not find a dating coach that was local and I'm in a major US city. I had to study and learn on my own.

I disagree completely evan_essence. There is nothing dishonest getting the help of someone more experienced and skilled to teach and assist you. And if the situation has trained a girl to be so shallow as to only talk to the guy who is willing to play the rest of the girls in the bar to prove he is worthy, then thats on her and she might deserve the ruthless jerk IMO. It's probably more ethical than those traditional singles club games to pay to have someone help you create an honest opportunity to actually meet the girl you are interested in.

Jenny
01-05-2007, 01:05 AM
I disagree completely evan_essence. There is nothing dishonest getting the help of someone more experienced and skilled to teach and assist you. And if the situation has trained a girl to be so shallow as to only talk to the guy who is willing to play the rest of the girls in the bar to prove he is worthy, then thats on her and she might deserve the ruthless jerk IMO. It's probably more ethical than those traditional singles club games to pay to have someone help you create an honest opportunity to actually meet the girl you are interested in.
Okay, I think you are a bit of a satirist, but honestly - why is the girl shallow, and you're not? Why does the girl "deserve" a guy that is "unworthy" by WHATEVER her standards are, but the guy deserves any girl he wants?

smartcookie
01-05-2007, 03:39 AM
When we had a troll invasion from this board I went over there and registered myself. I told them that if they really wanted to bang a stripper for free there was a simple and effective solution:

Save the $950 and spend it on cocaine instead.

They deleted my post and my account. Fuckers.

Smith
01-05-2007, 02:32 PM
Okay, I think you are a bit of a satirist, but honestly - why is the girl shallow, and you're not? Why does the girl "deserve" a guy that is "unworthy" by WHATEVER her standards are, but the guy deserves any girl he wants?
I was just venting frustration at singles clubs so take what I said in that context. We are all human beings and in most situations everyone deserves respect, politeness, and 15 seconds of your full attention.[Edit: but does not deserve 15 seconds of full attention in singles club] That's all a guy deserves. I'm not sure what a girl deserves, but definately not a jerk who beats her even if she was cruel in the way she rejected the 9 good guys before find him. But as I said I was just venting frustration.


Save the $950 and spend it on cocaine instead.
It is sad, but in some clubs that would work I'd imagine with even one less zero in the amount. Don't expect dating a crack ho to be any fun though.

Jenny
01-05-2007, 03:07 PM
I was just venting frustration at singles clubs so take what I said in that context. We are all human beings and in most situations everyone deserves respect, politeness, and 15 seconds of your full attention. That's all a guy deserves. I'm not sure what a girl deserves, but definately not a jerk who beats her even if she was cruel in the way she rejected the 9 good guys before find him. But as I said I was just venting frustration.
This is not really the place to vent that kind of frustration. Like I'm sorry you're having a hard time dating - although I'm pretty sure that based on this and on the thread in blue we all have a pretty good idea WHY you're having a hard time dating - but, you know, I don't care really. So far as I'm concerned neither you nor any other person deserves to date any other particular person (and not beating women does not, in and of itself, make you a stand up guy - let alone not beating her because she "cruelly rejected" other guys). People deserve respect and politeness until they do something that removes that right; nobody is entitled to the full attention of a potential date for any amount of time. Like I'm not rude to guys that hit on me in bars, but nor do I give them my full attention for 5 seconds, let alone 15. Again - perhaps you are looking for a board on dating - actually, I think Mystery's board is pretty hot on guys that women don't want feeling entitled to them and their bodies.

Smith
01-05-2007, 09:43 PM
Jenny, I agree with everything. Really, everything. If you want to be critical of me personally, I welcome your well thought out criticism instead in one of the open threads I started.

Although "WHY Smith's having a hard time dating" will be a thread eventually it hopefully as a result of in part your advice to stop trying to date strippers might not be on a stripper forum. I am trying. There currently are now only three (of the thirteen seen OTC in 2006 who I have valid phone numbers of still) current/former strippers keeping me in limbo about dating them and only two who I've let have my new phone number for 2007. I could not in good conscience cut off contact with those three as in the past few months those three have been honest and respectful with me and there has been no money exchanged (met two OTC and one ITC). MM had little to do with dating strippers but perhaps it helps you understand better and therefore be more confident. Confidence can help you in dating, period, as it is an important component in attraction.

evan_essence
01-06-2007, 12:59 AM
I disagree completely evan_essence. ....I followed about half of that. I was saying the Wingwomen thing is dishonest. The wingwomen deliberately misrepresent themselves to other women as the friend of the guy who has hired them. That's a boldface lie.

-Ev

Smith
01-06-2007, 07:14 AM
Yeah, I'd have to agree now with you, evan essence. Wish I could delete post #85 but yall have quoted it.

velour1141
03-04-2007, 02:36 PM
man i am going to save everybody 950$ ya want to pick up a dancer, first and for most go back to the pool tables and not all the time but most of the time you will find there BF 's or husbands and ask them if its ok to take there woman out otherwise just treat the girls like human beings. its just there job.

Alaska
03-05-2007, 03:03 AM
Sorry, I just thought that the wording she used was funny. (still do :) )

My point is that when you meet a "normal" girl, you don't know what you are going to get in the sex department.

Maybe you'd benefit from a seminar on how to read body language.::)

threlayer
03-09-2007, 04:03 PM
To me? No.

But some guys have poor self-confidence or social skills and have troubles with civvies. So if they have troubles with civvies, why should they even consider strippers? These gals are experts at getting from men while giving very little. Some are not so heartless, but many are. Sounds like big trouble to me. Especially if some guys can't handle 'regular' women. The course for them ought to be "forget it."

Star Player
03-10-2007, 11:40 PM
hilarious forum

quila86
03-11-2007, 12:26 AM
WANNA KNOW THE BEST WAY TO DATE A STRIPPER?

spend the $900+ on her and prey like hell that she actually likes you? we are normal people if you can pick up a girl anywhere else you can pick up a stripper, just don't let your wallet run dry we're use to being pampered and having guys spend tons of money on us.

**Orchid**
03-13-2007, 04:03 AM
So grinding on laps or showing pussy by definition makes us abnormal.

what does that make someone who pays for it?:finger:


amen sister