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cameronfl
01-20-2007, 12:58 PM
what is a "PL"?
Pl-pathetic loser


Cameron...I'm not sure how long she's been stripping, I know she's been at this club that I go to for a few months, and she worked at another one before coming here, but I'm not sure of exactly how long. As far as the clientele, I have no idea. It would be difficult to ask her why she doesn't want money from me....I mean, how do you slip that into a conversation? LOL

sounds like she's been doing it long enough not to be scared anymore....wanna slip it into the conversation? Offer her money for her time..if she refuses..ask her why. Simple enough.

BoondockSaint
01-20-2007, 08:13 PM
Pl-pathetic loser



sounds like she's been doing it long enough not to be scared anymore....wanna slip it into the conversation? Offer her money for her time..if she refuses..ask her why. Simple enough.

Ahhhh, O.K. "PL".... I gotcha. Well, I'm already one of those anyway. :D

Well, the next time I happen to be there, if she hangs out for a while, I'll try that. Thank you. :)

Bridgette
01-22-2007, 08:20 AM
I was gonna say what cameronfl said. So now all I want to say is, TELL US WHAT HAPPENS NEXT TIME ;D

BoondockSaint
01-22-2007, 04:10 PM
I was gonna say what cameronfl said. So now all I want to say is, TELL US WHAT HAPPENS NEXT TIME ;D

LOL...O.K. Bridgette, I will. Although, I'm nor exactly sure when the next time will be.

BoondockSaint
01-26-2007, 06:22 PM
Well, I said I would tell you what happens, and I'm a man of my word, so, here goes.
I saw her last night, and I did try to give her some money for her time that she was spending with me, and she tried to refuse it, and I asked her why. And she told me that she felt guilty because she always had a good time when I was there, and that I always make her smile when I come in. And I tried to explain to her that this is what she does for a living and in her profession, time is money, and that I was the one that felt guilty because I felt like I was keeping her from something when she's just sitting there talking with me. And she said that she keeps telling me that I'm not keeping her from anything, (probably cause I'm always telling her that I hope I'm not keeping her from anything), and that she likes sitting there with me. Then she asks me if I want to hang out sometime away from the club. Which obviously shocked the hell out of me. And then when I had to leave she tried to slip the money back to me and says "you better take that with you." But, obviously I insisted that she keep it.

Bridgette
01-26-2007, 06:26 PM
Well then it sounds like she wants to hang out OTC. I hope you gave her your number.

BoondockSaint
01-26-2007, 06:37 PM
Well, no, I didn't give her my number...she didn't ask for it.

Bridgette
01-26-2007, 06:50 PM
But she asked if you wanted to hang out OTC. DUH - that's when you offer your number. What does she have to do? Slap you in the face with it?? :P

cameronfl
01-26-2007, 07:07 PM
Seriously...you were offered what 90% of the guys in strip clubs would kill for and you arent pursuing it???

I'm calling shenanigans again.......hot girl that you like basically asks you out and you dont give her your number/plan a date/get her number/etc...?????

BoondockSaint
01-26-2007, 07:16 PM
Well, I didn't know what to do Bridgette. I mean, it has never happened before. No shenanigans Cameron, I'm being completely honest. I mean, put yourself in my shoes as someone who's not exactly popular with the ladies. I was surprised I could actually still speak after that.

jaizaine
01-26-2007, 07:58 PM
It's not like I waste my time and sit with someone all night and make no money. I just meant that I'm not one of those girls who gives you a $20 dance and you give me a $100 bill and I just walk away. No, I actually am polite enough to give change back or at least ask. I'm sorry but I think it's rude to just walk away. And if I'm sitting with a guy for awhile and have been doing dances with him (otherwise I wouldn't stick around) and he hands me a $50 for nothing, I am the type of person who feels I should do a dance for that money, I feel I should earn it. I don't think that's a bad thing. I also wanted to add that girls like me don't make clubs look bad, it's the nasty bitches who give HJ, BJ, and fucks out for $10. Thank you very much.

My club is very dark and a customer sat at the tiprail and gave me $50 (the stage dances are only $20) so I asked him if he meant to give me $50 or $20 and then he said he thought he handed me a $20 and thanked me like 20 times for being honest.

I take offence to your post in that u just jumped to conclusions and assumed the wrong things. I am a very honest person. My time when I am at work is valuable and when I said it makes the club bad what I was referring to was that it encourages an atmosphere where girls will sit with customers for an hour without getting tipped and then this encourages this behaviour.

I DO NOT go to work to socialise. I go there to earn money. How does this make me money hungry? Most people go to work to earn money.
This is an entirely separate issue from being honest or greedy.

BoondockSaint
01-27-2007, 09:43 AM
O.K., here's a question for you Cameron or Bridgette (or anyone else who wants to chime in out there).....I have to go by the club later on tonight, should I stop in for a little while and give her my number, or ask for hers, or what should I do?

Mastridonicus
01-27-2007, 09:48 AM
And she told me that she felt guilty because she always had a good time when I was there, and that I always make her smile when I come in. And I tried to explain to her that this is what she does for a living and in her profession, time is money, and that I was the one that felt guilty because I felt like I was keeping her from something when she's just sitting there talking with me.

How he says that makes my bullshit sensors go haywire.

Anyways, this is not rocket science anymore boondocksaint. What do you want? the guys to prostrate themselves before you and beg for such an opportunity?

I understand your disbelief of the situation, as I am not foreign to it myself, however take control, stop asking our opinion, and be an effing risk taker, get out there, and buy that girl a coffee.

And never mention you're on this site....this thread could kill you.

BoondockSaint
01-27-2007, 10:51 AM
How he says that makes my bullshit sensors go haywire.

Anyways, this is not rocket science anymore boondocksaint. What do you want? the guys to prostrate themselves before you and beg for such an opportunity?

I understand your disbelief of the situation, as I am not foreign to it myself, however take control, stop asking our opinion, and be an effing risk taker, get out there, and buy that girl a coffee.

And never mention you're on this site....this thread could kill you.

I don't know how I made your "bullshit sensors go haywire"...I'm just relaying what happened.

You're right, it's not rocket science...rocket science would probably be alot less scary, and it wouldn't make my nervous system go crazy, and tie my stomach in knots. You just don't understand what it's like for guys like me I guess.

I'm sorry for asking all of your opinions, but I just wanted to get some feedback from people who, I would bet anything, are much more experienced than I am.

Bridgette
01-27-2007, 12:55 PM
You can't just go ask for her number (or give her yours) now dude. You missed the opportunity.

Now you'll just have to "drop in" for another visit - DON'T MAKE IT TOO SOON - and hang out again. Offer to tip her again. Only this time, if she gives ANY clue that she'd rather see you OTC, then you better pick your jaw up off the floor real quick and tell her she can call you sometime if she wants!!! Or if she doesn't bring it up, you could just casually drop a suggestion that she could call you sometime if she's bored at work or whatever - this is a way for you to bring the subject up without crossing any weird boundaries.

If she says ok, then give her the number but BE DISCREET about it. In many clubs, if a girl is caught taking a customer's number or passing her's out, she can get in trouble.

Then you play the waiting game to see if she actually calls your number.

Report back after your next trip.

Everyman
01-27-2007, 01:06 PM
You can't just go ask for her number (or give her yours) now dude. You missed the opportunity.

Now you'll just have to "drop in" for another visit - DON'T MAKE IT TOO SOON - and hang out again.

I understand this part of your advice in a normal situation, but I don't think it applies here. Clearly, the girl has been FORWARD in expressing major interest in this guy, and he really hasn't done anything FORWARD to return that interest.

He'd better goddam well do something overt, and do it quick, or she's going to turn the corner and figure he's not interested.

This is no time for cat and mouse.

She's clearly interested.

He'd better fucking jump in the game and let her know he is, too. And PDQ.

But don't go overboard googly-eyed. Just that you have interest and let's see what happens OTC.

Bridgette
01-27-2007, 07:20 PM
But if he comes off too pushy she might just change her mind. And definitely, just stopping in to the club to ask for number exchanging would appear too pushy and playerish, and desperate. Better to just let it come through in convo again. He doesn't want to seem desperate all of a sudden. You guys ruin alot of good things by being too damned eager.

Stop by the club like normal, have normal convo. But I will change my previous suggestion to say NOT to offer to pay her, at least not before bringing up the phone thing. But do it subtely. Something like, "you know if you're ever bored or whatever, you can call me if you want. No pressure, just saying I'm happy to hang out with you", and see if she bites.

Then when you're getting ready to leave you can tip her something on stage if you feel the need to pay her for her time. But it sounds to me like she's not wanting a financial arrangement here, and might take offense or just assume you only want to see her as a stripper, if you keep trying to give her money.

BoondockSaint
01-30-2007, 05:53 PM
Thanks for the feedback Bridgette and Everyman. LOL...Well, of course I wouldn't just stop in to give her my number Bridgette. I was just planning on going in like I usually do, to hang out, have some drinks and have a good time, and if it comes up again, I'll give her my number. I do like your point about not offering to send some money her way at first. The next time I go in, I actually want to appoligize to her because last time when I did give her some money, she didn't want to take it, and when she told me that she would feel guilty about it, you should have seen the look on her face. But, I just couldn't take it back from her....I couldn't just let her sit there with me for NOTHING. I don't know, I just think it would be a scum bag thing to do. But, anyway...I'll probably head in on Thursday after work sometime and see what happens. My inquisitive mind feels a need to unlock this mystery.

sleepyboy
02-01-2007, 12:32 AM
Listen to this douche bag...


How he says that makes my bullshit sensors go haywire.

Anyways, this is not rocket science anymore boondocksaint. What do you want? the guys to prostrate themselves before you and beg for such an opportunity?

I understand your disbelief of the situation, as I am not foreign to it myself, however take control, stop asking our opinion, and be an effing risk taker, get out there, and buy that girl a coffee.

And never mention you're on this site....this thread could kill you.


"sensors", "rocket sceince", and "haywire"
What are you, a big nerd robot with a bullshit detector?

"stop asking our opinion"
Ummmm, isn't this section of the forum used for that?

"What do you want? the guys to prostrate themselves before you and beg for such an opportunity?"
This is so silly I don't even know where to start. Hmmmm I'll start with jealousy and then I'll go with envy.

If I was you I'd be hate'n on other people too...

sleepyboy
02-01-2007, 12:53 AM
Boondock.

Just do what your doing man. Apparently it's working. If you go in regularly, but only every so often don't break that pattern. Like one of the ladies said don't turn into a creep ball with a little bit of authentic interest, and start showing up all the time. If anything it's prolly good that you didn't act like a "normal" would. That's probably why she enjoys your company to begin with cause ur not telling her how hot and how much you'd like to fuck her.

Ladies,

It's not that baffleing to me about a girl wanting to just chill with a customer. One dancer here in Houston whom I'm friends with met her baby daddy/husband in a club. Another girl I dated who dances in Dallas has only dated guys she met in a club (2 Xs that became dancers. Is that odd? haha). I'll have to ask them if they were big spenders or not.

P.S. keep this thread going its like a soap opera. "Next on the Stripper's Pole. Will Boondock hook up with his mystery dancer? Find out next post"

Mastridonicus
02-01-2007, 10:42 AM
You're right, it's not rocket science...rocket science would probably be alot less scary, and it wouldn't make my nervous system go crazy, and tie my stomach in knots. You just don't understand what it's like for guys like me I guess.

I'm sorry for asking all of your opinions, but I just wanted to get some feedback from people who, I would bet anything, are much more experienced than I am.

Don't apologize, I'm a little slapstick at times,

I'm just saying man, all the signs are there, we've pointed it, decide what you're going to do about it and go for it.

I mean, I'm happy you get the opportunity, I do, and I still believe guys in your club would beg to be in your shoes.

I was more or less pushing you to the positive boondock, didn't mean to come across negatively.



Listen to this douche bag...

You know what's sad? Some people actually DO.

BoondockSaint
02-02-2007, 01:12 PM
Stopped in last night. She wasn't there. To be continued....

BoondockSaint
02-06-2007, 05:18 PM
Haven't been on here in a little while, but I thought I should give an update. Well...I went in last Friday, and I saw her. We talked quite a bit like usual, and when she had to go up on stage, I sat at the rail and tried tipping her, but she got sneaky on me a couple times and slipped the money back down in front of me. Anyway, we were sitting there talking and...I'll try to recap a part of the conversation...I said, "The last time I was here you had mentioned something about...."

"Hanging out?", she said.

"Yeah."

"Well, wait til after I move." (She's moving this week)

So, I said "O.K."

Anywho, I asked her if I should give her my number, and she asked me when the next time I was going to be in was. So, I told her Thursday. So she tells me..."I'll make sure that I'm here Thursday and then you give me your number."

Anyway....I'm still kinda leary about what her intentions are. I mean, on one hand, she's shared some pretty personal information with me, and she doesn't want to take money from me, for some reason always feels she needs to explain herself when she has to go talk to a customer, SHE asked ME if I wanted to hang out on one of her days off. But on the other hand, what's the difference if I give her the number when I was there Friday and giving it to her this Thursday?

Any feedback you guys and girls out there have is greatly appreciated. :)

jaizaine
02-06-2007, 06:30 PM
Anywho, I asked her if I should give her my number, and she asked me when the next time I was going to be in was. So, I told her Thursday. So she tells me..."I'll make sure that I'm here Thursday and then you give me your number."

Anyway....I'm still kinda leary about what her intentions are.
:)

well babe this seals it for me, she is cultivating u as a reg.
exactly she could have just taken your number then and there but instead she asks u to come in the club and she'll get it next time.

you are right to be leary.

Quickwit
02-06-2007, 10:02 PM
Who's calling shenanigans on BDS? I know him personally and he is one of the most honest people I know. How ever his is pathetic when it comes to women. He feels as though they would never want him and he is wrong. When we go out I talk to women with no problem and he just stands there. He is the worst WING MAN I have ever known. But he is a truly nice guy and all he needs to do is think he has a chance...
I have heard this story from him as it has been going on. He even told me about this site. So here I am reading it and I had to join. Funny shit!!
Cameron we have the same name ;)
Anyway, I think that the stripper in question may not like her job but does like BDS. The only question is.... is she looking to be saved by him? Or does she just like him? If she is setting him up to be a regular would she refuse all the money he offered? I think you can make a guy feel good by giving back or not taking some of it. Cause all of us guys know what money grubbing bitches strippers are... LOL Oh I am just kidding keep you panties off....

BoondockSaint
02-07-2007, 08:58 AM
Ahhh, I see Cam is putting in his 2 cents. I guess I can't argue with the fact that I'm pathetic when it comes to women. I've never said that they would never want me, but that would be an honest assessment, and no, I wouldn't be wrong in thinking that. Of course I just stand there while you're blah blah blahing...I have nothing to say of any interest. Why would I want to further make a fool of myself? As far as her wanting me to "save" her. That's just absurd....I don't think she needs any saving. I'm definitely weighing toward what Jaizaine was saying about cultivating a regular...although cultivating a regular who you won't take money from is kind of pointless, she may just have something else up her sleeve. And as you and I both stated, with my patheticness and unpopularity with the ladies...it's probably not genuine interest on her part. I guess I shall find out in time, right?

no stress
02-07-2007, 07:17 PM
This girl enjoys having power over men and women are never attracted to men they can control.

Do not go back on Thursday but wait a few weeks and when she asks where you were say something came up or better yet say, "Carmen Elektra was in town and I had to take care of her." (with a straight face)

Bottom line, if she was interested, she wouldn't put you off.

BoondockSaint
02-07-2007, 07:46 PM
This girl enjoys having power over men and women are never attracted to men they can control.

Do not go back on Thursday but wait a few weeks and when she asks where you were say something came up or better yet say, "Carmen Elektra was in town and I had to take care of her." (with a straight face)

Bottom line, if she was interested, she wouldn't put you off.

Well, whether she's interested or not....I still prefer to be a man of my word.

jaizaine
02-07-2007, 07:57 PM
Did quickwit just join SW to try to back up BDS's story?

I dont think your story is unbelievable anyway. Yeah I agree that cultivating a regular is pointless if that regular doesn't spend any money.

So I don't know what the girl wants but saving is highly improbable.
Ask any girls here on SW what they think of guys who come into the club with the idea of saving them from stripping and see what sort of response you get!

Honestly BDS I think you need to ask yourself what are u getting out of this scenario? Is it worth investing any more of your time or energy into? Is it worth all the concerns and questions that are going through your head about it?
If it is then good for you and continue going to the club, if not then cut it off.

None of us here can tell you what's going on in this girl's head all we can do is offer some experience and what is likely to be going on.

BoondockSaint
02-07-2007, 08:11 PM
Did quickwit just join SW to try to back up BDS's story?

I dont think your story is unbelievable anyway. Yeah I agree that cultivating a regular is pointless if that regular doesn't spend any money.

So I don't know what the girl wants but saving is highly improbable.
Ask any girls here on SW what they think of guys who come into the club with the idea of saving them from stripping and see what sort of response you get!

Honestly BDS I think you need to ask yourself what are u getting out of this scenario? Is it worth investing any more of your time or energy into? Is it worth all the concerns and questions that are going through your head about it?
If it is then good for you and continue going to the club, if not then cut it off.

None of us here can tell you what's going on in this girl's head all we can do is offer some experience and what is likely to be going on.

Thanks for the reply Jaizaine. I very much agree with you here. LOL....No, he didn't join just to back me up, he was interested in what everyone had to say about the situation.
As far as what I'm getting out of this scenario...I honestly have no idea. I think it's just my inquisitive mind pulling me into it. It's like it won't let me rest until it finds out what's going on. Some people have said that I over analyze things, and if that's true, I just can't help it. I try to replay every little moment back in my head in order to try to put the pieces together, and when there's missing pieces, it drives me to find out more, and at the same time drives me crazy. If she just wants a regular, that's fine...if she wants to get togther and see what happens, that's fine...if she just wants a friend, that's fine. Whatever her reasons are, if she would just come out and SAY them I could finally finish the puzzle. :)

jaizaine
02-07-2007, 08:59 PM
I am an over-analyser too so I know how annoying that can be. Sometimes when you are an over-analyser I think its always best to ask things then and there.
In the past someone has said something and at the time I wasn't 100% sure what they meant and I didnt ask and then it has driven me crazy afterwards.
So now, at the risk of sounding stupid I prefer to ask people to clarify things to me.
When someone says something Ill say "what exactly do you mean by that" or "let me see if we are on the same page here" - it saves my mind from doing cartwheels later.
You should try it in this situation.

Stop letting her control it and you get some control and just be as up-front as you have been here. Ask her what she wants!

BoondockSaint
02-08-2007, 06:55 AM
Well Jaizaine...I have thought of just coming out and asking her what she wants, but, how exactly do you do that? I mean....how do you word something like that? I'm a pretty up front kinda guy, but I don't want to seem like an a-hole.

As far as this whole "control" thing goes, I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by that. Anyway.... I guess I'll see what happens tonight, and go from there.

Quickwit
02-08-2007, 08:31 AM
Did quickwit just join SW to try to back up BDS's story?

Are you kidding me, A message board with strippers on it. I could careless who believes him it took me a while to believe him too. Strippers don't want guys like us. Or do they?
Oh and Cam is my stage name. ;)

no stress
02-08-2007, 10:09 AM
When you ask her what she wants, she is going to say she would like to get together sometime.

Go ahead and test it out and see if I am right.

BoondockSaint
02-08-2007, 10:13 AM
Already been there No Stress. She asked me if I wanted to hang out on one of her days off already.

jaizaine
02-08-2007, 02:15 PM
The control thing: it seems like she has the upper hand in this situation which of course is very easy when u meet at the SC.
I'm not sure how I was thinking that you could gain more control when I made the post but I'm thinking just come right out and ask what u want to know but try not to sound like an ass?

Well if she has asked u to hang out with her on her day-off that's a great start and you can suss out the situation better when OTC.

Maybe a few questions like is she looking to date anyone right now.

Good luck, hope it works out the way u want it too.

Quickwit
02-08-2007, 10:36 PM
Already been there No Stress. She asked me if I wanted to hang out on one of her days off already.
No stress.. that all depends on what you said after or if you said anything at all... dont mess this up its my only IN LOL :D

BoondockSaint
02-09-2007, 01:53 PM
Ummmm....Quickwit, what the hell are you talking about? Your "IN" for what? Anywho....an update.
I went in last night, hung out like usual, talked, tipped, and had an all around good time. One thing that struck me as odd...There was a guy there that wanted a couple dances, she came off stage and came out on the floor and came over to me and says "That guy over there wants a couple dances, is that O.K.?" So, I'm like...."Well, of course...go, go...go do your thing." While I'm sitting there (probably with a puzzled look on my face) thinking 'why on earth are you asking me if it's O.K.?' MY friend Quickwit up there said that she probably had some possessive guys in her past....which would make sense. Anyway....Before I left we were sitting there and I just came out with it...I told her "I'm a pretty up front kinda guy, and I really don't want to sound like an a-hole when I say this, but...I don't really know what it is you want. If you want someone to come in regularly, that's fine. If you want to get together outside of here we could do that too." Then she says, "What if I want it all?" And I kinda look at her with this shocked and puzzled look, cause I don't really know what she meant by that, and she starts laughing. Anyway, she said that she wanted to get together sometime so, I gave her my number we did our usual hug and kiss, and headed out. Now, it's just wait and see.

Everyman
02-09-2007, 04:05 PM
Then she says, "What if I want it all?"

My two cents...translation...

"Yeah, I like you and would like to hang with you outside the club, but don't stop coming here and giving me $$$$. Girl's gotta pay rent...."

Quickwit
02-10-2007, 07:34 AM
Im in, once you see her OTC then become at least friends, I get to snag one of her friends.... or as you know I am full of shit :)
Good job now it wait and see time..

jaizaine
02-10-2007, 07:55 PM
Not sure whether she was just being coy with the "i want it all comment" but looks like the OTC thing is gonna happen so cool.
umust update us as 2 how it goes ;D

BoondockSaint
02-12-2007, 02:49 PM
Well, thank you for your vote of confidence Jaizaine. What do you mean she was being coy? I know the definition of the word, but I'm not sure what context you're using it in. Anyway, I think she was just joking around with me because of the way she laughed after she asked me and I looked at her strange. I will update as things go, but as of now, it's pretty much "wait and see if she calls" mode.

jaizaine
02-12-2007, 10:23 PM
By coy I mean a bit cheeky and cute.

BoondockSaint
02-14-2007, 09:45 AM
Well, just an update....it's been almost a week, and she hasn't called, so I kinda think that may be a hint that she doesn't want me going in anymore. Any thoughts anyone?

Jenny
02-14-2007, 10:43 AM
Thoughts?
Geez, dude, could that be broader?
Maybe she wanted to date you, and the "just friends" thing turned her off.
Maybe she didn't like you as much as she thought she might.
Maybe she was cultivating a regular, and senses it's not going to work out.

Strippers don't share a brain. You would know, at this point, better than we would.

BoondockSaint
02-14-2007, 11:35 AM
O.K. Sorry Jenny, I didn't mean to be so broad. What "just friends" thing? Thank you for your thoughts though.

Quickwit
02-15-2007, 08:41 AM
Well I think it is time to find out. Go in there and ask her to hang OTC and pick a day. If she really wants to hang out you should be able to make plans, if she doesn't then she will just make excuses.

Everyman
02-15-2007, 08:47 AM
Well, just an update....it's been almost a week, and she hasn't called, so I kinda think that may be a hint that she doesn't want me going in anymore. Any thoughts anyone?

Yeah, my thought is that most females like guys who are confident and go after what they want.

So even though it sounds like she really liked you at first, this "waiting around for her to call" and "leaving things up to her" probably turns her off.

I don't know her, so I could be wrong, but I'm applying a general rule.

BoondockSaint
02-15-2007, 09:33 AM
I can't just ask her to get together OTC. I've already been pushy enough.

Everyman... Waiting for her to call and leaving things up to her is what I'm supposed to be doing. What am I supposed to do...order her around, or demand she get together with me? Talk about turning her off.

As far as being confident (which is just another word for arrogance) and "going after what I want"...Like I said, I've been pushy enough.

RoseWhite
02-15-2007, 10:05 AM
As far as being confident (which is just another word for arrogance) and "going after what I want"...Like I said, I've been pushy enough.

You really think confidence is the SAME THING as arrogance? Really? They are worlds apart in my mind.