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Nicolina
02-09-2007, 11:35 PM
The Democratic nomination really doesn't matter, does it? Giuliani is going to be the next president, whether we like it or not.

No way. The conservative Christians will never go for that.

Me, I'm not so big on Hilary.

I am rather enamored of Mr. Obama, though. Did anyone see his speech at the Dem. Convention last election cycle? My expectations were high, because everyone was talking about him as a rising star in the party, but I was seriously blown away. Never ever has a political speech affected me like that. He's super-smart, but doesn't come across as the least bit arrogant, stiff, or eggheaded. He's well able to do the folksy thing. In this regard, his charisma and political talent are reminiscent of good ol' Bill.....

Melonie
02-10-2007, 07:27 AM
The Democratic nomination really doesn't matter, does it? Giuliani is going to be the next president, whether we like it or not.


No way. The conservative Christians will never go for that.

RINO Rudy would actually have a shot at being elected, since it's very probable that lots of Dems and crossover voters would support him vs a politically correct but very left-leaning and inexperienced Dem candidate like Obama. Joe Lieberman's re-election versus left-leaning media mogul Ned Lamont is a lesson that will likely not be lost. And RINO Rudy's air time and public perception in the days following 9/11 will undoubtedly inspire a degree of confidence that he is capable of handling crisis situations far better than an untested Obama.

Either way though conservatives / libertarians will probably get left out in the cold in 2008. A Perreauesque run by Newt Gingrich is a possibility, but in point of fact that would only help get a candidate like Obama elected.

Hey, at least RINO Rudy would bring a unique spirit of 'bi-partisanship' to Washington DC LOL !!!

And from my own personal standpoint, he'd also bring home the federal money 'bacon' back to New York !

From a strategic standpoint, the best way to prevent RINO Rudy from being put on the 2008 ticket is to have the Dems put fellow New Yorker Hilary on their ticket first ! This would force the Repub strategists to look for a candidate who hails from an entirely different geographic region of the USA rather than risking an unfavorable split of the Northeast vote. i.e. fellow RINO John McCain from Arizona.

Also from a strategic standpoint, the Dem strategists actually have very little to gain from promoting Obama as a candidate. Based on historical voting patterns among black Americans, the extra votes to be gained by choosing Obama vs another candidate are miniscule since 90% of black voters will pull the Democratic lever no matter whose name is above it. At the same time, Obama's glaring lack of experience and vulnerability a la - which basically makes the point that where middle names are concerned that Fitzgerald beats Hussein every time - involve major risk factors in the actual election.

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PorschaM
02-10-2007, 10:05 AM
I am not going to take the time to verify every name on this list. Feel free to snopes or whatever source you like. the timeline go pretty far back so an internet search may be unsuitable.

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT? SURELY YOU JEST !!
A quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clintons.

Seems to me the moral of the 'I can't imagine is true anyway' story is to do your job and keep your nose out of the Clinton's business.

dlabtot
02-10-2007, 10:29 AM
Also from a strategic standpoint, the Dem strategists actually have very little to gain from promoting Obama as a candidate. Based on historical voting patterns among black Americans, the extra votes to be gained by choosing Obama vs another candidate are miniscule since 90% of black voters will pull the Democratic lever no matter whose name is above it.
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I guess the possibility that primary voters might choose the candidate they think will make the best President never occurred to you, eh?

LOL

Melonie
02-10-2007, 11:13 AM
^^^ I don't matter. However, I doubt that the results of primaries matter much to the Repub & Dem national committees, or to the million dollar 527 supporters, or to the Hollywood celebs who are throwing fundraisers, or to the network / newspaper owners who decides which candidates get 'free' coverage vs which ones don't. Virtually since the Civil War days, money and media have driven US elections ... with the actual voters only getting a choice between the candidates who have amassed enough money and media support to survive.

Nicolina
02-10-2007, 12:40 PM
RINO Rudy would actually have a shot at being elected <snip> ...Either way though conservatives / libertarians will probably get left out in the cold in 2008.

You think? The conservative christians seem to have so much power these days....And Rudy's personal life presents so very many problems for those who desire a candidate who will "uphold traditional Christian family values." Plus he's had some serious health problems....And, speaking as a native New Yorker, he always just seemed kind of personally....icky.


Also from a strategic standpoint, the Dem strategists actually have very little to gain from promoting Obama as a candidate. Based on historical voting patterns among black Americans, the extra votes to be gained by choosing Obama vs another candidate are miniscule since 90% of black voters will pull the Democratic lever no matter whose name is above it. At the same time, Obama's glaring lack of experience and vulnerability a la http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16659632/site/newsweek/ - which basically makes the point that where middle names are concerned that Fitzgerald beats Hussein every time - involve major risk factors in the actual election.


The really interesting thing about Obama is that white folks go nuts over him. I just heard an NPR story about how African-Americans are a little unsure about him. Because he doesn't really share the same cultural experience that they do; in some sense, though he is biracial/black and African and American, he isn't exactly "African-American."

Of course you're right that his lack of experience would probably make him un-electable as President, leaving all issues of race and culture aside.

All I'm saying is that the man is very likeable, and seems to have some serious political chops.

PorschaM
02-10-2007, 09:46 PM
From a strategic standpoint, the best way to prevent RINO Rudy from being put on the 2008 ticket is to have the Dems put fellow New Yorker Hilary on their ticket first ! This would force the Repub strategists to look for a candidate who hails from an entirely different geographic region of the USA rather than risking an unfavorable split of the Northeast vote. i.e. fellow RINO John McCain from Arizona.~

If the Republicans could take ANY part of the NE they would do it in a heartbeat. It's the only part of the country - other than the west coast - that is a democratic stronghold. Just ONE NE state would automatically give the presidency to the Republicans.

Melonie
02-11-2007, 06:37 AM
^^^ which is precisely why virtually every prominent Republican politician in the Northeast is a RINO.

PorschaM
02-11-2007, 10:59 AM
Melonie
^^^ which is precisely why virtually every prominent Republican politician in the Northeast is a RINO.

I've been meaning to ask, what's a RINO? :?

ArmySGT.
02-11-2007, 11:14 AM
Republican In Name Only

Melonie
02-11-2007, 01:33 PM
yup Republican in Name Only ... formerly called a Rockefeller Republican ... a term which describes politicians that run on the Republican ticket but support principles that are contrary to the Republican party as a whole. In RINO Rudy's case, he draws Republican ire because he arguably supports abortion, environmentalism, gun regulation, tax increases, gay marriage etc.

However, some conservatives are trying to put a better spin on Rudy since he announced ...



but at the same time media is gearing up for a hatchet job to insure that Hilary not Rudy will be the presidential candidate from New York ...



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