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ExoticEngineer
12-12-2006, 08:46 AM
I bought this magazine last week when I wasn't feeling well, and have yet to go through it. I'm going to read the whole thing, going to write the letter and going to stomache the bile that rises in my throat every time I hear about poor little us, and how we need to be saved and how we need to find God and get ourselves together.
HOW DARE YOU assume that because I dance that I am not a spiritual person, or assume that I need to be saved. How dare you attack my morality and faith based on my ocupation. That, by far, is the most absurd thing I have heard of.....
The dedication required to be successful at this job exceeds ANY amount of dedication required to stand at a drive through window and ask people if they would like to Super Size that order. The skill outweighs the skill required to punch holes in paper all day long. And the self management that is required beats hands down any job that requires you to punch in and out, day after day, while you sit on your ass and wait for the time card to fill up. Not that these jobs are less of a job because of that, but they are certainly not more!
THEY should be ashamed, for allowing such a biased and insulting article to be printed with their consent.
Blah...gag.
ExoticEngineer
12-12-2006, 09:29 AM
Colleen, your letter was beautifull written and very level headed....I was a bit hot when I wrote mine...;D Oh well, first reactions being what they are..... Here's mine
"No One Should Have To Be A Stripper"
When I read this article I felt physcially ill. As a mother, a wife, a business owner and a very spiritual person, I was insulted and outraged by this article. Why? Because I am also a dancer. I'm appalled that you would even allow an article like this to be printed in your magazine, portraying every dancer as a drug dependant, soul-less, hopeless victim. And such a one sided story!!! Surely you are aware that hundereds, thousands of your readers are in the adult entertainment industry, and surely you realize you have offended each and every one.
Do not pity me because I dance. Pity the poor girl who lives with an abusive husband, fine. Pity the person who works an entire day and night yet barely makes enough money to feed his or her family. Pity the person who is addicted to his work so much that he hasn't seen his children grow up.
But DO NOT pity the woman who is assertive in her work, makes time for her family and provides a good life for her children.
Be proud of me, I am a healthy woman, I take pride in my appearance, I instill that pride and self love to my child, I am loved and respected by my husband and family, I am a spiritual and moral person. I do not feel used, abused, mistreated, neglected and outcast. I do not do drugs. I am not abused. I have no self loathing.
My suggestion to those of you in the editorial department, do more research, get all the facts, and think before you insult a large group of beautiful, proud and wonderful women!
siliconedoll
12-12-2006, 09:36 AM
Ladies these responses are fantastic and make me proud to be a dancer and proud to be a part of stripperweb. Lets hope they make a few people think.
Laylas
12-12-2006, 09:55 AM
I think all of us writing in responses would be awesome! I'm sure they underestimate the amount of women who strip...mostly because not too many people are very open about it. It's alienating quite a large group of females. Aren't there a million freakin other bad things going on in the world that need light shed on them, rather then women who are doing something both legal and financially rewarding?
Kabukicho
12-12-2006, 10:06 AM
ExoticEngineer, your letter is excellent
ExoticEngineer
12-12-2006, 10:08 AM
Thank you!!! I re-read it about twenty times, and kept thinking... "I know there's more to say..." I wasn't sure about it, It felt kind of angry...but then again, I am angry about it.
IN FACT...my hubby is angry about it, he too is going to write a letter, from the voice of the husband of an exotic dancer. I wuv that guy.
Kabukicho
12-12-2006, 10:26 AM
Awesome husband, its great that they will get a male opinion too.
I think that your letter is perfect as it is, expresses how upset the article makes you, all of us, without being over the top. I love that you call us assertive women, after all aren't these types of magazines all about unleashing the 'fun fearless females'? Yet they print something like this slamming a group of women who dare to be unconventional and in control of their lives. Hypocrites
Sunshine73
12-12-2006, 11:00 AM
Colleen, your letter was beautifull written and very level headed....I was a bit hot when I wrote mine...;D Oh well, first reactions being what they are..... Here's mine
"No One Should Have To Be A Stripper"
When I read this article I felt physcially ill. As a mother, a wife, a business owner and a very spiritual person, I was insulted and outraged by this article. Why? Because I am also a dancer. I'm appalled that you would even allow an article like this to be printed in your magazine, portraying every dancer as a drug dependant, soul-less, hopeless victim. And such a one sided story!!! Surely you are aware that hundereds, thousands of your readers are in the adult entertainment industry, and surely you realize you have offended each and every one.
Do not pity me because I dance. Pity the poor girl who lives with an abusive husband, fine. Pity the person who works an entire day and night yet barely makes enough money to feed his or her family. Pity the person who is addicted to his work so much that he hasn't seen his children grow up.
But DO NOT pity the woman who is assertive in her work, makes time for her family and provides a good life for her children.
Be proud of me, I am a healthy woman, I take pride in my appearance, I instill that pride and self love to my child, I am loved and respected by my husband and family, I am a spiritual and moral person. I do not feel used, abused, mistreated, neglected and outcast. I do not do drugs. I am not abused. I have no self loathing.
My suggestion to those of you in the editorial department, do more research, get all the facts, and think before you insult a large group of beautiful, proud and wonderful women!
Ditto! Colleen, I liked your letter too. I read the article last night. You have to be a strong woman to endure and flourish in this business, and the article made dancers out to be self-loathing women with no self esteem wallowing in self-pity & in the disgusting cesspool known as the strip club. Funny. I always thought of myself as a strong self-respecting woman who works at a job I like at a place where people have fun so that I have $$$ and time to spend with my child. And if someone disrespects me? I don't fucking take it. Sheesh.
BrunetteGoddess
12-12-2006, 11:25 AM
What makes me laugh is Harmony started her charade by writing "Your Loved!" on postcards.
1. We know that
2. Love does not pay the bills.
Yekhefah
12-12-2006, 11:38 AM
"No One Should Have to Be a Stripper"? Well duh, no one does!
Personally, I feel that No One Should Have to Be a Waitress. Maybe I should start proselytizing to every pretty waitress I see, so that they will know a better life as a stripper is just around the corner!
BrunetteGoddess
12-12-2006, 11:42 AM
:rotfl::rotfl:
Jo Weldon
12-12-2006, 12:04 PM
Excellent point.
I hate how a big part of her "getting out" was finding a husband, like she needs a man to support her.
BrunetteGoddess
12-12-2006, 12:36 PM
Really! It's not our fault she got into the business because she couldn't differentiate what was good and bad for her life. Pfft, not my problem.
destiny2980
12-12-2006, 01:18 PM
Every single one of us needs to write a letter to the editor about this article. Seriously, even if you can only write something short, we need to let them know that we disagree with this shit and that it's an insult to hardworking women everywhere.
I did just that a few minutes ago and I hope they get swarmed with them. Its shitt enough that we have to fight for fair rights as a dancer. That most men and people outside the buisness look at us as trash and to have something like glamour magazing print something like that. :biting:
britt244
12-12-2006, 04:46 PM
I wrote one too! I read this thread a few times over the last few days and I didn't think the article would make me as absolutely furious as it did. I dont HAVE to be a stripper, neither does anyone else, like this one-sided article claims. It bothers me so much that a magazine can tell you to be proud of your body and do what makes YOU happy and then write something like this. :mad:
Lysondra
12-12-2006, 04:55 PM
Excellent point.
Agreed. What's with this 'white knight' syndrome, anyway? If you got yourself the fuck in, you can get yourself the fuck out.. if you WANT TO. But a lot of people they're 'saving' don't want to. Who needs a man to support them?
Co-dependant people.
britt244
12-12-2006, 04:59 PM
Anybody notice on the last pages of the magazine where they have the 12 hot new things you DONT have to do this year.. #6 is take up cardio pole dancing. maybe im just being super defensive right now haha.. but this article is just ridiculous!
BrunetteGoddess
12-12-2006, 05:07 PM
Glamour is being ridiculous. Sure they're not affiliated with Tyra?
$$$magnet
12-12-2006, 05:10 PM
haha i'm so going to buy a holy hottie cap or tshirt. just for the irony.
I most-def. won't give away my hard-earned "sin" money to some bitch just so she can insult me! >:(
(Although they are kinda funny)
ExoticEngineer
12-12-2006, 05:39 PM
OKay, so I read this damn thing, oh I don't know how many times today, and one part that really stands out in my head is where this girl is telling her story (by the way, could this ENTIRE deal be anymore about her and any less about people in need? anyway) and she wakes up one day and suddenly realizes that she been wasting her life and kicks her drug abusing leech of a boyfriend out the door and finishes school (which she was about done with) and blah blah blah...K, sugar....You could have kicked his sorry ass to the curb any ole time you wanted! Why was being astripper holding you back?
I read this crap, which I will later use to wipe my healthy, in shape, non drug effected hiney, and I can't help but think it is a story not about how stripping ruined a person's life, but how that person ruined her own life.
Her blaming stripping is a cop-out to the extreme. No one forced this twit to hook up with a looser, no one forced this girl to shop lift and run with bad people, no one forced this girl to get high and to become bi=polar with violent tendancies....that my dear was all your doing, congrats by the way!
It still amazes me that Glamour (gag) published this article without even seeing how much of a blatant pity party it was!
It's fantastic that she got a raise, and married well, and it's equally fantastic that she is helping people (or trying) but the rest is total crap....
There, done whining about it now......now I shall crawl back to my bed and nurse my depression by shooting up and waiting for my mean ole man to come home and whip me soundly for having a point of view. G'night.
Katherine
12-12-2006, 07:07 PM
Ok. So. I actually subscribe to the mag. Although I was palnning on just throwing the issue out after learning there was an article like this in there (see my first post...) now I have to go read it and send in a letter plus my subscription cancelation. F*** that magazine.
Krissy Kennedy
12-12-2006, 07:19 PM
ARRRGH! While what I *wanted* to write to the editors of Glamour is that just because Ms. Dust is a loser who had a shitty upbringing, a loser of a boyfriend, and hung out with a bunch of other losers who happened to be strippers, here is what I actually wrote:
To Whom It May Concern:
As a long-time reader of your magazine, I would like to take the opportunity to express my disgust with your article “No One Should Have to be a Stripper.” While the work that Ms. Dust does is certainly commendable, her views on the adult industry and those of us who work in it are incredibly biased and insulting to those of us, who unlike Ms. Dust, were not abused, molested or otherwise neglected as children. We are not all drug-addled, we do not all have self-esteem issues, we are not all single mothers, we are not all supporting boyfriends who do not work, and I personally do not enjoy being stuffed into a little box and labeled as such. I am a married mother of a wonderful little boy, I am finishing a degree in Linguistics with a 3.86 GPA, I am a home owner, I am an internationally ranked martial artist, and believe it or not, I live a very normal life.
While I believe the intent of your article was to point out the atrocities that we, as dancers, supposedly suffer from day after day, did you ever stop to think how many women may only be seeing things like, “Since each song was three and a half minutes, she could, with generous tips, make $500 to $1,000 a night if she worked nonstop, with only bathroom breaks” and “At the end of my dance I asked someone to bring me a broom; I swept it all into a garbage bag and left.” She’d snagged $800 in singles—all from that one man.”? Sounds rather appealing, don’t you think?
It is articles like this that perpetuate stereotypes about dancers. The article was based on one woman’s experience and “research” (and I use this term loosely), but I guarantee that you could find a thousand other women whose experiences are far different from that of Ms. Dust. I will look forward to reading an article in your magazine about strong, confident, well-adjusted women who also happen to be dancers, so that your readers will realize there are two sides to every coin.
Regards,
K.K. Smith
velvet
12-13-2006, 12:10 AM
Excellent point.
now Jo you need to write and add your link.
to the rest of you ladies nice letters. sadly i doubt they will be published
xfatrabbitx
12-13-2006, 04:21 AM
augh.. i just read the first page. "some girls will cry because they are getting a gift." (a brochure and lipgloss.) WTF ..
hahahahahaha
yeah that was ridiculous.. she made it seem as if we're in some kind of 3rd world country and are forced to work this horrible job... honestly, if a female custy came in and gave me a brochure and lip gloss i'd either 1. kick her out cuz i'd think she was trying to poisen me with tainted lipgloss, or 2. take it graciously and throw it away later...
but yeah, she made us look like the stripper stereotypes that everyone thinks. On drugs or outta rehab. Getting fondled everyday..all having crackhead mothers, whatever else. But like someone said earlier, her life didn't seem to be going so well even before she started to dance, so...
If there's an email address you guys have so we can give some feedback, please post
Starfire
12-13-2006, 09:42 AM
does anyone else find it annoying you are supposed to provide your adress and phone number to send a letter to the editor? ps this article really sucks, I was going to renew my subscription to glamour but now I'm not. Perhaps someone could send them a link to this thread so they can see they really are losing our businness. I also stopped reading cosmo after they wrote something negative about strippers. (cosmo sucks anyways though.) For anyone who used to enjoy glamour I've found marie claire to be on the same level, I think I will renew with them instead.
colleen
12-13-2006, 10:07 AM
Awesome husband, its great that they will get a male opinion too.
I think that your letter is perfect as it is, expresses how upset the article makes you, all of us, without being over the top. I love that you call us assertive women, after all aren't these types of magazines all about unleashing the 'fun fearless females'? Yet they print something like this slamming a group of women who dare to be unconventional and in control of their lives. Hypocrites
You should write them and make that point. And EE, your letter was excellent. I. too, felt there was more to say, but I figured they would not hear from a lot of 2nd-decade vets like me, so I chose something I didn't think would get much attention from other people.
I could have written a whole book, if I'd had time.
BrunetteGoddess
12-13-2006, 10:19 AM
does anyone else find it annoying you are supposed to provide your adress and phone number to send a letter to the editor? ps this article really sucks, I was going to renew my subscription to glamour but now I'm not. Perhaps someone could send them a link to this thread so they can see they really are losing our businness. I also stopped reading cosmo after they wrote something negative about strippers. (cosmo sucks anyways though.) For anyone who used to enjoy glamour I've found marie claire to be on the same level, I think I will renew with them instead.
Yes that was annoyng. I've never been that into Glamour, so I'm not too suprised. Marie Claire whoops Glamours pants off.
Damia
12-13-2006, 06:11 PM
Im seriously considering writing an article for like Cosmo or something for the 'real life reads' as 'my life as a stripper' and focus all on the postive aspects...
How much ya wanna bet they wont print it? LoL
I agree. The magazines (along with most people) are trying to demoralize this industry and turn young girls whom read these magazines off from dancing all together.
Lysondra
12-13-2006, 06:12 PM
I agree. The magazines (along with most people) are trying to demoralize this industry and turn young girls whom read these magazines off from dancing all together.
Isn't that a good thing? Doesn't that mean we'll make more money?
BrunetteGoddess
12-13-2006, 06:23 PM
That's what I was thinking!
francescadubois
12-13-2006, 08:36 PM
Yeah, let's pump out more of these articles so we can all the money for ourselves!!! :D
(shivering)"...the precious..."
colleen
12-14-2006, 09:25 AM
I put this in my MYSPACE blog. Thought you all would get a laugh out of it.
"No one should have to be a stripper" She spent years dancing naked for leering men clutching $5 bills. Now she's trying to help other women escape the soul-killing triple-X life.
Now seriously, nobody HAS to be a stripper. Me, I could have taught school. I did that for one soul-killing year. Every day I faced a few dozen cocky, arrogant, misguided adolescents and attempted to teach them the pleasures of reading and learning and using their minds. And then they told me they hadn't done their homework because they were too busy watching TV or getting laid.
I could have stayed in retail. I could have killed more than my soul managing a Radio Shack store, mandatory 54 hours a week on $25,000 salary, with abusive customers and a misogamistic district manager. I was seriously expected to tell customers "thank you, please visit us again" after they threw merchandise at me. It happened more than once, and let me tell you, getting beaned in the side of the head with a package of four D batteries, HURTS!
But no, I chose to give all that up for the sad and depressing work of dancing. I must admit, I feel SOOOOOOOO degraded when some moron grabs my ass, that I just have to turn around and smack him for it. (Smacking people who desperately dereve it is jsut so humiliating, don't you think??) It is completely demoralizing to have people greet me warmly, buy me drinks, and give me compliments. I felt so much more respected when the great majority of people I met in a day would imply or even say outright, what do you know; you are only a woman (teacher)?
I really hate that, you know. Having people act happy to see me. I hate it more when they say how much they enjoy my company, or my dancing, or even looking at various parts of my body. I really mostly especially hate it when I know I have made somebody happy, really brightened their day. Absolutely disgusting.
And do you know what else I hate? (Ohhhhhh, I am on a roll now!) I hate not punching a time clock. I hate not being responsible for other people's children or merchandise or money or property. I hate being able to stay home with my kid when he needs me and taking time off to help my mom. Making my own schedule really sucks. So does picking up an extra shift or two whenever I decide I want something.
And I really really f'ing despise making as much in 2 days as I used to make all week, attempting to put a little sense into the heads of other people's insolent brats. Now I have no bloody choice but to spend some of my extra time and income with my own son, making sure he does not grow up to be the same kind of willfully ignorant, arrogant little cuss that I so enjoy beating my head against. Damn! That was one of my life's ambitions, to be so busy providing for my kid that I didn't have time to raise him. And I guess I have to spend the rest of my free time building up my couple of businesses and making my husband feel like the luckiest man alive. Man, that irks me!
Yo, sister! Over here! I need to be saved!
nychaos99
12-14-2006, 11:29 AM
This reminds me of tonight's episode of Intervention.
There was a bulimic girl who became a stripper so she'd have money to buy all her food that she would binge on. She hid it from her parents so they wouldn't be ashamed of her. Her father's reaction (when he was told about the stripping) was something along the lines of "wtfomg!!!!one!!!". He was calmer with the fact that his daughter had been a bulimic for over three years than with the idea of his daughter being a stripper (or at least it came off that way to me).
I bet that'll influence a lot of people's perception of the stripping industry. Well, the people that watched it anyway.
Did anyone else happen to see that episode...?
-slowly trails off topic- Sorry. :O
I think I saw that episode, but I didn't watch it all the way through- Was it with the sandy-haired blonde, she drove a truck that broke down, and her parents put a pad-lock on the fridge?
That was just terrible, by the way. How in the WORLD did she eat all that???
-slowly joining you on the off topic trail-.....
Eve21
12-14-2006, 11:37 AM
I wrote Glamour a letter about how pissed I am too. They lick super-model's and celebrity's asses - people who get paid to be hot - and then trash us! Women who have to be beautifull and actually WORK for our fucking money! I really like how Harmony blames stripping for her crappy 3 years instead of the scum-sucker she was sleeping with.
BrunetteGoddess
12-14-2006, 01:36 PM
Ugh, saw the issue of Glamour in stores today with the pictures and such. Bwuhahaha, she was a goofy looking stripper!
ntbubbles
12-14-2006, 02:37 PM
I put this in my MYSPACE blog. Thought you all would get a laugh out of it.
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Yo, sister! Over here! I need to be saved![/FONT]
Colleen, this is awesome.
Yep, I definitely miss my days at Blockbuster Video being yelled at by 9 year olds for not having the latest XBox game. ::)
Innocense
12-14-2006, 04:21 PM
Honestly, this articule is fucked up! She's was a stupid drogadict dumn ass girl dating a pimp! It's not our faul she was so stupid! and that doesn't mean we are all like that!
I am a dancer because I love to be a dancer. I don't do any drugs, Hell! I don't even smoke, I am married to a wonderful man who treats me with nothing but respect, who loves me and takes care of me, and I don't even let guys touch me when I'm giving a lap dance!
Hello_Kitty27
12-14-2006, 07:14 PM
I think I saw that episode, but I didn't watch it all the way through- Was it with the sandy-haired blonde, she drove a truck that broke down, and her parents put a pad-lock on the fridge?
That was just terrible, by the way. How in the WORLD did she eat all that???
-slowly joining you on the off topic trail-.....
Yep that's the one. i was gonna post on here about her father's reaction, but that last time I did that (re: a stripper having some kind of issue on Intervention and the parents being more upset that she was stripper than a drunken drug addict) I got flamed by some people, both on the forum and in PM. I didn't want to deal with it this time around.
Anyways, I haven't read the article yet. I got my magazone today and will read it yesterday. I plan to write a letter to the editor as well, but from the point of a female customer / friend of dancers. Sure, I've seen my share of the 'typical' stripper-stereotype, but I have great friends who've made a great living dancing and they are intellgent, witty and all-around good people. It really chaps my ass when I hear people going off on some rant about strippers.
prrfektwurld
12-14-2006, 08:32 PM
You ladies are so amazing!
I read this article at my lovely nine to five "regular" job and became angry like no other.
I'm drafting a letter to Glamour. No one should have to be a stripper, sure, but not everyone is cut out to dance. Not everyone is cut out to be in this industry. Clearly, Harmony Dust wasn't. But she shouldn't judge those of us who are.
Hello_Kitty27
12-14-2006, 08:37 PM
Shit, the more I think about it the more annoyed I am. I should write an article "No One Should HAVE to be a Piss-On Underpaid Taken-Advantage-Of Administrative Assistant" b/c let me tell you - that's what I am and I am exposed to shit that is unbelieveable. And there are millions of women in corporate america that know exactly what I am talking about. I see sexual harassment, gender discrimination, people being fired, physical fights between our union employees, I hear about men cheating on their wives (and no, not with strippers! ;) ), etc .....anyways this article makes me so irritated. When I can collect myself this weekend, I'm gonna explain to them that this article is very biased and is not at all accurate for a majority of dancers. (I can't wait to see if they'll publish any letters going against this article)
ExoticEngineer
12-14-2006, 11:53 PM
^ Doubtfull, although it would thrill me to see them at least apologize....
A strange thing happened after I wrote that letter to Glamor though. I decided I wanted to let my parents (Mom) know I was dancing. It occured to me that by defending myself, and being proud of what I do and who I am as a person, I shouldn't worry about what some stranger, who obviously has issues that she should be medicated for, thinks....but instead focus on giving my family that perspective.
I'm still rolling the idea around more and more. I love my mom to death, and we have a good, not great, but healthy relationship for two grown women....and if I can write to a national magazine and exclaim that I am proud of myself and feel good about myself then I'd better stick to it, or be a hypocrite......
gonna sleep on it...... :)
BrunetteGoddess
12-15-2006, 02:22 AM
Wow EE, good luck!
ntbubbles
12-15-2006, 06:51 AM
What a brave move, EE! I have not told my parents, and don't think I'm going to any time soon. Not because I'm ashamed of what I'm doing, but because I know that, even though I know that they would (eventually) support me it would be really hard for them. And I don't feel like I need to put them through that.
I have told pretty much everyone else I know, though. My friends, even some of my professors. So I think that pretty much confirms that I'm not ashamed at all!
ExoticEngineer
12-15-2006, 07:50 AM
**Thinking I'll wait till after the holidays....I'd hate to be "The stripper that ruined Christmas"! Maybe New Years......
So, any more letters to Glamor? C'mon...share!
~B
virgoamm
12-15-2006, 02:51 PM
I *heart* Colleen. That was awesome! 8)
thechaosfairy
12-15-2006, 05:13 PM
I hate how a big part of her "getting out" was finding a husband, like she needs a man to support her.
There's a guy in Portland who's had a classified ad in Exotic Magazine for the whole year I've been working. It says, "LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT?? Single male in search of a beautiful female to send back to school (?), spoil and travel with. Long-term relationship desired." And then there's a phone number. (If you want to know what it is for some reason, just download the magazine as a PDF and find the ad. I keep wanting to phone him up and give him a piece of my mind.)
There's just so much wrong with this, I can't even list all of it. He wants a woman as a commodity, but tries to look like a "rescuer" -- more like a life-long strip club experience, I'm sure. Yeah. Instead of being a fantasy dream girl for hours of every day, be one for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. Keep up the facade of love and gratitude in exchange for this loser's pocketbook. That's not a way out, that's a way deep, deep in. Anyone who can do this without going insane, more power to her, but that's not anyone I know.
Half the girls in Portland have been to school already anyway. When the club is dead I have been known to break out a CD with "What Do You Do With A BA In English?" on it. :-)
thechaosfairy
12-15-2006, 05:16 PM
P.S. No one should have to work. We should always be provided for by the Magic Millionaire Money Tree and have our asses wiped for us by robots.
Failing that, I at least enjoy working in an industry where I don't have to constantly make myself sick from lack of sleep, because my body's not built for 40 hours a week.
ntbubbles
12-15-2006, 05:25 PM
P.S. No one should have to work. We should always be provided for by the Magic Millionaire Money Tree and have our asses wiped for us by robots.
:rotfl: Ain't that the truth?! Maybe if I plant a dollar in my backyard it will grow into a money tree.... (side note: did anyone else do this when they were little? I think I planted some change in hopes a tree would grow. Weird kid, I know.)
thechaosfairy
12-15-2006, 05:41 PM
I think there's a special technique for taking cuttings, only harbored by the secret order of money gardeners.
Katrine
12-15-2006, 05:41 PM
Ok, I'm screwed up. But then again, I was screwed up before and after stripping. There are certainly some consequences of this industry. But then again, there are psychological consequence of being a garbageman too. Notice how people speak to their kids when they don't study: "Keep doing this and you'll wind up being a garbageman!"
Waste collectors serve an extremely important role to us. Yet they are looked down up as the least ideal job to do. Imagine how that feels to a father with a family he supports this way.
I don't know if this is directly tied to the convo. I havn't even read the story, not in the mood to be pissed off.