View Full Version : Glamour magazine's stripper article
Paintbaby
12-15-2006, 06:31 PM
so a stripper found jesus....whoopdefuckingdo
Where was he?
madmaxine
12-15-2006, 06:52 PM
There's a guy in Portland who's had a classified ad in Exotic Magazine for the whole year I've been working. It says, "LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT?? Single male in search of a beautiful female to send back to school (?), spoil and travel with. Long-term relationship desired." And then there's a phone number. (If you want to know what it is for some reason, just download the magazine as a PDF and find the ad. I keep wanting to phone him up and give him a piece of my mind.)
There's just so much wrong with this, I can't even list all of it. He wants a woman as a commodity, but tries to look like a "rescuer" -- more like a life-long strip club experience, I'm sure. Yeah. Instead of being a fantasy dream girl for hours of every day, be one for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. Keep up the facade of love and gratitude in exchange for this loser's pocketbook. That's not a way out, that's a way deep, deep in. Anyone who can do this without going insane, more power to her, but that's not anyone I know.
I dated a guy like this. The straw that broke the camel's back was when he looked at me like I was a toddler & said, "Now, you KNOW you can't keep dancing if you're with me, right?" M*therf*cker, you met me through my dancing! Unfortunately, I only thought that response in my head- I was too amazed at his stupidity to say anything.
YEAH as far as I know he never got a girl to take the "rescue" bait I rejected- he was a loser looking for the life-long fantasy dream girl.
thechaosfairy
12-15-2006, 06:56 PM
It's totally possible that some woman wants to be that girl for the $$$, but if she does, she's sure as hell not looking for "a way out"!
Damia
12-15-2006, 11:33 PM
I dated a guy like this. The straw that broke the camel's back was when he looked at me like I was a toddler & said, "Now, you KNOW you can't keep dancing if you're with me, right?" M*therf*cker, you met me through my dancing! Unfortunately, I only thought that response in my head- I was too amazed at his stupidity to say anything.
YEAH as far as I know he never got a girl to take the "rescue" bait I rejected- he was a loser looking for the life-long fantasy dream girl.
I don't get that either. I've been with a couple of guys since i started dancing and they tried to say that I can't dance. My reply was 'Are you going to cover my expenses?' No? I didn't think so.
thechaosfairy
12-16-2006, 04:03 AM
They must think it's a thing like a hobby or a relationship. Not, you know, a JOB. :P
colleen
12-16-2006, 08:00 AM
Thanks, Chastity and ntbubbles. I used to want to be a newspaper columnist. I read Mike Royko and Ellen Goodman and Bob Green and so on all the time. I guess some of it rubbed off after all!
rusdancer
12-16-2006, 11:02 AM
[quote=Katrine;912765]Ok, I'm screwed up. But then again, I was screwed up before and after stripping. There are certainly some consequences of this industry. But then again, there are psychological consequence of being a garbageman too. Notice how people speak to their kids when they don't study: "Keep doing this and you'll wind up being a garbageman!"
Waste collectors serve an extremely important role to us. Yet they are looked down up as the least ideal job to do. Imagine how that feels to a father with a family he supports this way.
This is a bit off topic,but yeah,I do agree.They say this a lot especially in europe.My father used to say that if I don't study I'll be selling cucumbers and potatoes at a farmers market,or even passiong out toilet paper in a public toilet.
But....about the garbageman......It's so ironic,I met one in NYC,and can you believe,it turns out that he ran most of the trash collection business for Manhattan and Brooklyn,the guy was a millionaire.So....I've learned my lesson from this,you just never know.
Lysondra
12-16-2006, 11:50 PM
Where was he?
Fucker was hiding behind my bushes... I'm pressing charges.
makeitrhyme
12-17-2006, 01:35 AM
I think I saw that episode, but I didn't watch it all the way through- Was it with the sandy-haired blonde, she drove a truck that broke down, and her parents put a pad-lock on the fridge?
That was just terrible, by the way. How in the WORLD did she eat all that???
-slowly joining you on the off topic trail-.....
Yeah that was her. :D At the end it said that she was no longer stripping or binging. Yay she is saved! -eye roll-
noelle
12-17-2006, 09:47 PM
I wrote a letter too. Ugh, what a terrible article. I can't imagine any stripper ever CRYING because they were given gift bags full of tacky crap. I can't even imagine strippers not getting those women kicked out of the club immediately for being a nuisance.
Damia
12-18-2006, 02:52 PM
This all kinda reminds me of an article i just read today in Black Noir called 'Can a stripper be a Christan?'
ExoticEngineer
12-18-2006, 04:25 PM
can this be found online? ^^^^
Gypsy14
12-20-2006, 01:12 AM
Although the Glamour article is (in my opinion) completely innacurate and disgusting I do see one good thing that might come out of it. If more girls start viewing stripping as "degrading" and not glamarous (isn't that what this article is basically saying?) maybe there will be less girls wanting to be strippers and/or following their boyfriends/husbands into stipclubs -- we all know how annoying that is! I don't know about you girls, but I am sick of my club hiring new girls ALL THE FU**ING TIME! and I am sick of groups of girls showing up at my club and acting like ignorant boneheads. Let all those girls and women out there think that stripping is bad -- see if I care!
No, all this article will do is keep out the intelligent young women who don't want to "degrade" themselves. We will continue to see the drugged-out, co-dependent girls come in who don't think they can do any better. And the sharp, assertive girls who may have considered it if Glamour had bothered to give a two-sided, unbiased article may no longer even consider it as a profession because of the negative light in which it's been portrayed. I don't think this article will do anything for the people who desperately need the money and don't feel that they have any other options (especially people like Miss Star Dust who apparently seem forced into the career by deadbeat boyfriends). However, it will probably make everyone else think twice.
So sad. The truth is that we need more stable and awesome, pro-active- SW-esque women in this profession to show everyone how truly COOL strippers can be.
ExoticEngineer
12-20-2006, 01:37 PM
^ yep ^
Gypsy14
12-20-2006, 02:48 PM
I wrote a response, though... so there's another! Mine was long haha... they probably won't read it all.
Guenevere
12-20-2006, 11:36 PM
No, all this article will do is keep out the intelligent young women who don't want to "degrade" themselves. We will continue to see the drugged-out, co-dependent girls come in who don't think they can do any better. And the sharp, assertive girls who may have considered it if Glamour had bothered to give a two-sided, unbiased article may no longer even consider it as a profession because of the negative light in which it's been portrayed. I don't think this article will do anything for the people who desperately need the money and don't feel that they have any other options (especially people like Miss Star Dust who apparently seem forced into the career by deadbeat boyfriends). However, it will probably make everyone else think twice.
So sad. The truth is that we need more stable and awesome, pro-active- SW-esque women in this profession to show everyone how truly COOL strippers can be.
But don't you think that if an "intelligent young women" or "sharp, assertive girls" saw this article they would be bright enough to realize there are ALWAYS two sides to a coin? I wonder how many of us here are those descriptions and did hear only negative things about the industry and checked it out for themselves anyways??
Gypsy14
12-20-2006, 11:52 PM
Of course, but that's not to say that the discouragement of Glamour will help their negative views. And this article definitely has the potential to reach out to people, otherwise, it wouldn't be such a big deal to us.
lilriot_atl
12-20-2006, 11:52 PM
Thats a complete bunch of crap (the article that is). Stripping actually kept me out of the poor house and furthered my education. If it wasn't for stripping I wouldn't have two degrees, a house, a new expensive car, everything that I could possibly want (within reason) and my boyfriend.
I don't drink like a fish nor do I do any drugs nor do I prostitute myself out.
Now I do have a harsh outlook on religion but who wouldn't when it compromises their job?
WTF?
-e
mina loy
12-22-2006, 12:39 AM
i wrote a letter and sent it via snailmail. it pretty much contained what everyone else said above. i dispute what ms. dust says about all strippers being unhappy women. last night a fellow dancer asked me if i was happy, in general, pointing out that i'm young, single, and a graduate student with no children. i said yes, i was. i elaborated by telling her that these circumstances alone don't make me happy because like every other person, i have problems as well. i'm a happy person with problems. yay!
anyways, i started thinking if my fellow dancers were happy people. i concluded that the majority probably were. yet ms. dust probably only could see the negative parts of her coworker's lives in the dressing room. for some reason the dressing room just brings out a lot of negativity in everyone. it's a toxic place that i try to avoid as much as possible.
are the rest of you strippers happy wo(men)?
ExoticEngineer
12-22-2006, 11:42 AM
**If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands!** (clap clap)
ntbubbles
12-22-2006, 01:54 PM
*clap clap clap clap clap*
I'm incredibly happy knowing that I'm going to graduate with a PhD and ZERO student loan debt. While still being able to avoid the life of your typical starving grad student. No ramen here! Ha!
:cheers:
Three cheers for stripping!
sugartaste
12-22-2006, 11:52 PM
Having always considered Glamour to be one of the only halfway decent, woman-positive mainstream mags out there, reading this article was a definite shock. Glamour should be publishing articles about strong, independent, positive women (and they often do), not digging up sleaze pieces that cast judgement on an entire group of women. Shame on you, Glamour!! My letter went out yesterday.
Pinups4DotCom
12-23-2006, 06:33 AM
i've been a loyal reader to glamour for awhile and i will definitely write a letter to the editor over this article.
gah!
explain how you're never reading COSMO and will not think favorably of the advertisers
Copy the letters and send to the advertisers too
Miss Diva
12-23-2006, 06:07 PM
I can’t believe this article. I just picked up the magazine today and was blindsided by it. I will be writing in a letter to the editor and encouraging everyone else to do so as well.
mina loy
12-24-2006, 12:59 AM
explain how you're never reading COSMO and will not think favorably of the advertisers
Copy the letters and send to the advertisers too
i read cosmo when i was 18-19 just for the sex tips. then i realized just how stupid that magazine really is.
sassfire
12-24-2006, 10:23 AM
I saw this documentary where feminist were striking against strip clubs. One of the strippers said something that summed it all up to me.
"Why don't they protest at that restaurant where the waitresses are making $3.35 an hour?"
Bella21
12-24-2006, 12:55 PM
i read cosmo when i was 18-19 just for the sex tips. then i realized just how stupid that magazine really is.
Seriously. That's why I read Glamour (when I even read a fashion mag). They have the same STUPID tips over and over again.
sing4u16
12-24-2006, 07:26 PM
Has anyone read the article in Glamour magazine this month (January) entitled "No one should have to be a stripper"? It's absolutely ridiculous...I'm writing a rebuttal. Anyone care to join?
BrunetteGoddess
12-24-2006, 09:57 PM
I saw this documentary where feminist were striking against strip clubs. One of the strippers said something that summed it all up to me.
"Why don't they protest at that restaurant where the waitresses are making $3.35 an hour?"
It's even worse here: $2.13/hour....:O
Bella21
12-24-2006, 09:59 PM
^How is that LEGAL!! OH MY GOD!
Lysondra
12-24-2006, 10:04 PM
^ Tips. They count tips as 'income'... some waitresses LOSE MONEY if you don't tip them because they give you min, wage, take 10% of the price of each meal you sell and ASSUME you'll get tipped at least that.
Oh yeah.
mina loy
12-24-2006, 11:51 PM
Seriously. That's why I read Glamour (when I even read a fashion mag). They have the same STUPID tips over and over again.
it's all about pleasing men. not to say that i don't want to please my partner or that my job as a stripper isn't supposed to be pleasing to men, but that magazine made it seem like everything i did was supposed to be geared to that idea.
while waiting for a prescription to be filled i leafed through a cosmo magazine. it featured a section about "chick behavior that baffles guys." it had quotes from guys who were irritated that their girlfriends left their tampon boxes out, had stuffed animals on their beds, and used weird devices to style their hair. how is that information going to help me? that i should rearrange my lifestyle just to snag a guy?
ugh!
ShellyBElly
12-25-2006, 01:38 AM
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
Yah that definetly is rediculous, haha yes im sure every stripper wants someone 2 "save" them. Its funni cuz most strippers i kno r like the realest and strongest ppl ull ever meet. u kno wat i mean? i mean u gotta have a strong backbone in this industry so yah dancers r def. not victums and im here by boycotting glamour! im never gonna buy that magazine again, like seriously (Thank God that article wasnt written in Cosmo a.k.a my bible) haha
<3 <3
BrunetteGoddess
12-25-2006, 09:46 AM
^How is that LEGAL!! OH MY GOD!
Close to the Mexican border:-[ Minimum wage is $5.15/hour too...
Yekhefah
12-25-2006, 01:22 PM
I was a waitress for most of 10 years, and I made $2.13 at every single restaurant I worked at. That's the norm in the USA... tip your waitresses, people!!
funlatina82
12-25-2006, 03:35 PM
Damn, couldn't get past the first page of the article. I really hope they do publish some of our angry letters to the editor!! I've never been a reader of Glamour, but I want to look in the next issue to see if they publish any of our letters.
poca-sita
12-26-2006, 10:30 AM
i "joined" the JC'sGirls and posted a scathing reply in their forum. lets all join and write in. what a bunch of brainwashed idiots!
Bella21
12-26-2006, 11:03 AM
^Well, those people didn't do anything... I'm looking at their forum now... It's really small and sad. I found a thread about how this chicks newfound love of god has made her like veggies. ...?
EDIT: It looks like whatever you posted has been deleted? Ummm.... and "christian chicks who are on fire for christ chat here"?! Relgious people are so.... freaky.
Gypsy14
12-27-2006, 02:33 PM
Hey everyone--
I received the following letter this morning in response to my own letter:
Thanks for writing to GLAMOUR to comment on "No One Should Have to be a Stripper" in the January issue. We appreciate feedback, and I have forwarded your letter to the senior editors, including Editor-In-Chief Cindi Leive.
Thanks for expressing your opinion.
Sincerely,
Lynda Laux-Bachand
Reader Services Editor
...we'll see what happens!
Did anyone else get a response from them?
Bella21
12-27-2006, 02:56 PM
^No, I didn't. What did you write? Maybe it will get published! I can't wait to read the feedback section of their next issue.
BalletBaby
12-27-2006, 04:13 PM
I'm supposed to follow the advice of someone named Harmony Star Dust!?!
Gypsy14
12-27-2006, 05:42 PM
Here's my original response to the article. Looking back, I wish I'd spent a little more time on it because it's kind of all over the place, but I was going for the "strength in numbers" approach- submitting yet another response to accompany the ones that all of you had previously submitted.
"No One Should Have To Earn Minimum Wage If They Love To Dance Around Naked"
I have been a long-time fan of your magazine and have always held it in high regard because of its progressive outlook on women's issues. However, I found your recent article "No One Should Have To Be A Stripper" offensive and biased. While I understand that some women feel pressured and forced into the profession, I think it is important to recognize that for others, the decision to strip is made only after they realize that it is what they truly enjoy doing, and the benefits greatly exceed the costs.
I have been a stripper for a few years now, and in no way do I consider myself to be any of the stereotypes described in the article (those who lead a "soul-killing triple-X life", an "unhappy" life, or "spend their money on drugs, boyfriends, and expensive clothes"). In fact, I attend a prestigious university, I have ambitious career plans upon graduation, and I am highly involved in many other pursuits. I play to my strengths when working as an exotic dancer, because I have found that my intelligence, wit, and talents all help to sell dances where other women who rely on their beauty alone may fall short. In fact, I do wish that more women who feel comfortable with themselves and who are confident would consider such a profession, because there is a TON of money to be made by those who are assertive and smart enough to earn it. The current problem is that there are too many girls who feel forced into the career (such as Miss Dust herself) by abusive boyfriends or struggles in their childhoods, and these are the women who are keeping the negative stereotype alive.
Yes, there are negative aspects to the industry, as there are with nearly everything, but there are also plenty of great things about it that do not simply include money. How about a flexible schedule, or ample time for other pursuits? Or the opportunity for a young woman's own sensual exploration? Or even just the sheer joy of prancing around naked without getting arrested for public indecency? I do wish that Glamour would fairly publish a story about a stripper who loves what she does, and leads a healthy, beautiful, "normal" life.
I have informed many of my family and friends (all of whom who support my decision to dance) of this article, and all have agreed to boycott your magazine and spread the word unless Glamour issues an apology or publishes an article that examines the other side to the story. I don't think that I am alone here, either, and I think you have the potential to alienate a lot of readers by propelling the negative "stripper" stereotype in this fashion. I do not in any way feel "pressured" to do what I do. In fact, I feel as though I am a "woman of the future" because I am comfortable in my sexuality and in my skin, and I do not feel as though men are in control of what I do, in fact, it's just the opposite. I hope you will re-examine the way in which you've offended your readers, exotic dancers or otherwise.
Bella21
12-28-2006, 03:11 AM
^^Oooohhh, I'll bet the word "boycott" got them! :) F*ckers! :D
Gypsy14
12-29-2006, 12:28 AM
Yeah, that's the hope!!
Kabukicho
12-29-2006, 05:03 AM
^^ Very good letter, I can't wait to see if anything comes of it in the next issue.
sun child
12-31-2006, 11:44 PM
Glamour is being ridiculous. Sure they're not affiliated with Tyra?
Oh my god your sense of humor almost made me spit champagne out of my mouth. You are fucking hilarious. Thank you.
virgoamm
01-02-2007, 11:55 AM
Wow, I just checked my e-mail and I got a response from them too! This is what it said:
Thanks for writing to GLAMOUR to comment on "No One Should Have to be a Stripper" in the January issue. We appreciate feedback, and I have forwarded your letter to the senior editors, including Editor-In-Chief Cindi Leive.
Thanks for expressing your opinion.
Sincerely,
Lynda Laux-Bachand
Reader Services Editor
Holy Shmoley! :O
sophiemarie
01-02-2007, 12:04 PM
Christina Aguilara is from Pittsburgh, I had no idea she was a dancer. I am glad she is standing up for us.
sxybrat07
01-02-2007, 12:06 PM
Christina Aguilara is from Pittsburgh, I had no idea she was a dancer. I am glad she is standing up for us.
Huh? /:O
virgoamm
01-02-2007, 12:16 PM
^^ Pretty random, huh? Sophie, speak for yourself!!!! :D
Anyways, I'm glad that we're geting responses from them. It looks like enough of us wrote in that it is actually getting their attention! Yay, to everyone who wrote in-I'm really curious what they're going to do about it. Hmmm.../:O