View Full Version : For the guys: How do YOU feel about VIP?
jaizaine
02-03-2007, 11:13 PM
I suppose this will irritate some of you, but if a dancer is trying to get the most money for her time and services, shouldn't a customer be able to get the most entertainment for his money?
I do understand it from the customers point of view but when you do it to a dancer it's actually very insulting. It's almost sneaky to go in when u know it's slow so she will be more easily bargained with.
You know dude we are getting naked for money and we deserve to be paid well for it not bargained with like some used car!
I don't allow bargaining for my dances, you either pay what I say or see ya.
Bridgette
02-03-2007, 11:22 PM
if a dancer is trying to get the most money for her time and services, shouldn't a customer be able to get the most entertainment for his money?You're not buying a car asshole, you're paying a PERSON for her INTIMATE service, and bargaining her down on prices, ESPECIALLY when it's slow in order to take advantage of her, is INSULTING to her as a PERSON. We're not fucking cars or houses or clothes, we're PEOPLE. :beat:
But yeah, you won't get any bargains with me either. I don't care if you're the only dude in the joint. You pay or you get no play.
To Kaiarose - if you're basing your decision to not try selling VIPs because of answers you got here, you are doing yourself a major disservice. The guys here do NOT, I repeat DO NOT represent an average sampling of normal strip club customers. NOT AT ALL. I said in the beginning of this thread that you won't get a good set of answers from the guys here, and this is what I meant. Selling VIP is worth it. More guys buy it than you think, obviously. Certainly more guys buy it than those who admit to it here. Get your ass to Hustle Hut and quit trying to cater so much to the guys. You're going about it backwards hun.
to me it's bit conceited, but I admit I wish I was half as conceited! I guess it sounds far fetched because I have a pre-conceived market-based notion of value: basically, one's services is worth whatever is the equilibrium price in the market. Anyway, I admire you. You must be a success!
For us mere mortals who can't actually say with a straight face "I am just the best there is and my time is worth an infinite amount and just because I *have* to put a number on it I'll say X" what do we do?I don't care if you think it's conceited - it's nothing but believing in what I'm selling. You are obviously NOT a salesperson and should never be, because you'd suck at it. Furthermore, you only want to call it "conceited" because you WISH you had the confidence I do. Insecurity breeds contempt = you call confidence being "conceited". No sweat off my nose. YES I am a success. You WISH you had half my confidence. You'll be much better off in this world when you quit confusing confidence for conceitedness.
Economically speaking, a product/service is worth whatever a buyer will pay. So if I can get guys to pay $600+ per hour, OBVIOUSLY it is worth that. Econ 101.
WoodyLV
02-03-2007, 11:46 PM
If you wanted to know what most guys are thinking, you'd listen to UtahMike. Hes not out of line on that one. Whether or not a guy even elects to get a dance with someone, guess what he's maximizing his investment right there by who he chooses. Its instinct when money is involved.
I never ever bargain, I feel it really cheapens the situation. I know what the price is and I will gladly pay for it, and I say no to girls who bargain off the bat b/c its a turnoff. But I will be selective in who I choose and if shes extra playful she might get more dances. Thats how I maximize my investment.
When you want to hustle, your job is a business pure and simple 100%. But when a guy wants ROI, now its on the personal tip? Im sorry but it cant always work both ways.
I am not trying to be disrespectful in the least, just trying to maintain the facts.
Bridgette
02-03-2007, 11:53 PM
The guys only buy from us in reality because they LIKE something about us - yes it's something personal. There's really no hustle to that - all we have to do is say the right thing or, more importantly, NOT say the wrong thing. When we talk "hustle" here, we're not talking about conning a guy out of more than he's willing to pay or giving him shit for his money, we're talking about working hard, working smart, maximizing our time on the floor, etc. What UtahMike is talking about is CONNING a girl into working for less than she should - yeah it's different and yeah he's an asshole for it.
Wanting to maximize your spending dollars or your time at work is one thing. CONNING someone into doing something they normally wouldn't and/or don't really want is quite another.
And obviously UtahMike's rather crappy view doesn't represent any standard here. It damn sure doesn't represent any standard among AVERAGE club customers. So no ladies, PLEASE DON'T listen to his crap except maybe to see what to avoid.
Finally, I challenge YOU to do what we do and NOT take it personal when some asshole wants to make you "work for it" for cheap bull$hit.
jaizaine
02-04-2007, 12:11 AM
Im in total agreement with Bridgette.
Guys who bargain for lapdances are tight ass LOSERS.
They are lucky to be able to get a dancer to spend time with them and they should pay the standard rate for it, not expect more for less.
Taco Goblin
02-04-2007, 02:30 AM
I'm not on either side of this issue because for one, I never try to bargain any dancer down.. and for two, I don't begrudge any guy trying because all the dancer has to do is say "No".. or "HELL NO YOU TIGHTASS LOSER" if you prefer. But I wonder this.. using UtahMike's scenario.. and assuming his VIP's work in 30 minute chunks... and assuming its really really slow. What's better? That the dancer sits there for a half hour with no custie and makes nothing? Or allows herself to be bargained down by UtahMike and makes 80?
Oh, and just to qualify.. I'm talking PRE dance bargaining. That stuff where the guy gets three $20 dances and then tries the old "Hey, how bout I just give you 50?" routine.. those dudes are the assholes in my op..
Darcy Foxx
02-04-2007, 03:18 AM
i'd rather go home with nothing than settle for $50 that some cheap asshole bargained me down to.
jaizaine
02-04-2007, 05:45 AM
i'd rather go home with nothing than settle for $50 that some cheap asshole bargained me down to.
Me too. Taco Goblin it's more of a dignity and respect for oneself than a money issue.
Bridgette
02-04-2007, 06:12 AM
1. I'd rather not have his money.
2. Accepting his cheapass offer only encourages him to do it again, and I WON'T do that.
3. I'm not that desperate for money - there will be other customers.
4. I refuse to work in such shitty clubs that customers like him actually feel they can get away with that bullshit.
5. I take great pride in turning guys like him down and moving on to make MORE money elsewhere.
6. Accepting any less than the standard price only cheapens the whole thing, drives down the "going rate" and I REFUSE to be a part of that.
7. I KNOW I am worth more than that.
8. $80 for 30 minutes is shit. So is $100, and so is $60.`
9. He is saying he'll offer $60 and IF she accepts it and IF she "does a good dance" he'll "tip" her the $20 to make the price $80. NO NONO NONO NONONONONO!!!!! Asshole!
10. If he tried that shit in my club he'd 1) be laughed out of the place and 2) be lucky not to get bitchslapped or kicked in the nuts on his way out the door.
Any girl who accepts such offers is 1) ignorant, 2) a poor stripper and should NOT be in the business and 3) needs desperately to work on her sense of self-worth.
Taco Goblin
02-04-2007, 07:30 AM
Interesting.. interesting.. I guess that's why I've instinctively never felt the need to bargain.. but I've never really thought it through 'til this thread. I think at first glance I was thinking that something had to be better than nothing.. but I can surely understand y'all's take on that to the contrary..
Oh, and I pulled 30 minutes out of my ass as a generic point of reference.. I probably should have used the Rhino VIP scale from the last time I was in Vegas a couple year's back.. I think it was 3 songs/$100.. 30mins/$200.. and I forget how much they were selling hours in the curtained booths for.. probably $500/hr
TG
21stcenturyfox
02-04-2007, 08:53 AM
ive lost count of the times ive said to arsehole customers trying to make me work for my money "you dont go into a jaguar dealership and bargain the price do you?"
Bridgette
02-04-2007, 09:22 AM
I get your point Jay, but the service we provide is rather more personal than almost anything else one can sell. So it should be easy to see why we would be so pissed off and offended by the guy who only sees it as a "commodity". On a certain level it is a commodity, but it's still US, and we are more than simple commodities.
Lady Jade
02-04-2007, 09:54 AM
I get your point Jay, but the service we provide is rather more personal than almost anything else one can sell. So it should be easy to see why we would be so pissed off and offended by the guy who only sees it as a "commodity". On a certain level it is a commodity, but it's still US, and we are more than simple commodities.
I don't think a lot of guys are looking at this from both sides. Yes, we all want more for our money, but what if the shoe was on the other foot? Would they compromise themselves and their integrity by letting a customer "haggle" with them? It isn't a flea market where you can try to bargain. A good dancer knows her worth and shouldn't let anyone tell her she is worth less.
Dirty Ernie
02-04-2007, 10:34 AM
Just curious, here. How can you reccommend in another thread, a dancer sell an unknowing out of towner a $20 VIP dance when the true price is $15. Why is the scale only allowed to slide upward? A dancer shouldn't be able to be a cutthroat upseller one minute then an outraged victim the next when the reverse happens, cause it's gonna happen, apparently.
Personally I would never negotiate prices in a club. I've been in VIP in Rhino Las Vegas and Sapphire and also a skybox. I'm really not a VIP kinda guy. I can't remember any particular thing that made me say yes, other than the dancer of the moment asked and I accepted. Most likely, an open mouthed, drooling nod.
Everyman
02-04-2007, 10:38 AM
Aside from the reasons I posted before, offering us less than the standard rate is insulting because it is basically the same as telling us that we are not worth it. That we are cheap, substandard, etc. Since what we are selling is OURSELVES, it is FAR different and worse than bargaining with the salesperson on the price of an object or other less intimate service. It's insulting and frankly any guy who does it deserves any negative response he gets.
OK, treading very lightly here.... I have never tried to bargain the price of a private dance down. I always tip above and beyond anyway. And, I even hate to negotiate cars... I'm just not the haggling type. In most of the world's open-air markets, I would be taken for a ride I guess.
But I also cannot agree that just because a dancer says her time or her dance or her whatever is worth $x, that means that's absolute truth and anything less is an insult. Some people just have the mentality of "everything's negotiable." And that doesn't mean that if they do try to negotiate, they have the intention to insult you.
Sort of an analogous example for how my money flows here in my hometown. At 3 related clubs (same ownership chain), dances are $45 (40 + 5 wristband) at the 2 "nicer" clubs and $25 at the 3rd club. Since I have found people I like and who are very attractive at the 3rd club, I now pretty much exclusively buy dances at the $25 level. And tip above and beyond that, of course. That doesn't mean they are "worth" $20 less than the dancers at the $45 level. I value them just as much. But I value my money, too.
Bridgette
02-04-2007, 11:08 AM
The point is that we are worth a standard price, a going rate. To haggle us is, in our eyes, to tell us we're worth less than the going rate - ie, substandard, subpar, less valuable than everyone else in the club/area. As I said before, I challenge YOU to do what we do and NOT find that insulting.
Just curious, here. How can you reccommend in another thread, a dancer sell an unknowing out of towner a $20 VIP dance when the true price is $15. Why is the scale only allowed to slide upward? A dancer shouldn't be able to be a cutthroat upseller one minute then an outraged victim the next when the reverse happens, cause it's gonna happen, apparently.We are talking in this thread about how insulting it is to US for men to try to pay LESS THAN the going rate, because it's the same as him telling us we are worth less. How then, can you not see that we would feel perfectly fine with having someone pay MORE, because he thinks we're worth it. If a buyer is willing to pay $x price, he obviously thinks we're worth it. Econ 101, again.
The price isn't a measure of our worth versus the custies' - it is solely an arbitrary measure of OUR (service's) worth. We are not insulting someone by charging more than the standard price - he can simply choose not to buy and THAT choice is not an insult to us.
I recommend to "especially" charge higher than going rate to out of towners (especially when the local rate is very cheap) because they are less likely to be NEGATIVELY BIASED with the knowledge of the cheap local going rate. Therefore, if approached with an offer of service for a slightly higher than average-for-the-area price, they are more likely to judge the value based solely on their perception of the experience rather than some cheapass local rate. It's not an insult to their intelligence or worth, but more a minor slam to the cheapass local custies who are negatively biased to think we are only worth some very low price ;)
Finally, one of the biggest keys to selling anything is knowing that whatever you're selling is worth the money. I know I'm worth whatever the going rate is or MORE. In many cases, just...MORE. What's wrong with one knowing his/her worth? What's wrong with a person refusing to devalue their service by selling it for less than the going rate? What's wrong with a person believing they are worth MORE than the going rate, particularly if buyers willingly pay MORE?
The scale should never slide downward because to do so would be to admit we are worth less. No human being on the face of the earth wants to believe they are worth less. That is simply not human nature.
sander8son
02-04-2007, 11:57 AM
hah, laughable. whatever makes you happy or miserable.
WoodyLV
02-04-2007, 11:58 AM
There are many, many times where dancers (not you) have used/tried techniques that I feel was 'conning', such as trying to state # dances more than actually were, higher prices, going to bathroom to keep me in VIP longer, etc.. And Im SURE you girls have more stories than I do. I believe thats why many guys (not me) feel that its OK to engage in 'conning' of their own. Again, its not right, its just how it works.
Sometimes I am a little leary to go into VIP, because of these experiences I am very suspicious if there is some con that is going to be involved and in VIP the $ goes fast! (Back to topic) the best thing the dancer can do are things that are not hustling-related, which I pick up on very easily, so I feel trusting enough to go in there and not lose my house.
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Bridgette
02-04-2007, 12:50 PM
Well sure there are girls running scams. Just like there are guys doing it. We do not advise girls to scam guys here, and in fact when anyone brings it up the majority is quick to jump on her and chide her for it. Likewise, we will call a guy out for bragging about or advising to con the girls. But this is beside the point. Yall are bringing in too many what-ifs and getting way off the principle of what's being said here.
There is NO scam in the simple act of charging more than standard price, as long as the buyer agreed to said price up front. Obviously no one here is advising that girls overcharge AFTER the fact.
jaizaine
02-04-2007, 05:48 PM
But I also cannot agree that just because a dancer says her time or her dance or her whatever is worth $x, that means that's absolute truth and anything less is an insult.
Well it depends on the club. My club has set dance prices and those prices are the absolute truth.
Our dances are $20 per song or $50 for 3 songs. If a customer asks me to dance for less than the set price he is basically saying that he does not think that I am worth the set club price and is also asking me to break rules.
We are not allowed to sell dances for less than $20 per song unless we are doing the $50 for 3 deal. We have some swedish girls dancing for us who were caught out selling dances for $10 per song and they were told off about it and have stopped.
It is not just ripping off the dancer in question but if the dancer agrees to the lesser price she is under-cutting the other dancers too.
UtahMike
02-04-2007, 07:40 PM
You're not buying a car asshole, you're paying a PERSON for her INTIMATE service, and bargaining her down on prices, ESPECIALLY when it's slow in order to take advantage of her, is INSULTING to her as a PERSON.
Hey, you misunderstood me.
I suggested that YOU ask for more than you were willing to take. Often, you might get it. If not, you can give a little discount, make the guy feel like he got a good deal, and still make more than you were willing to take.
Second, it was the DANCER who told me the tip was negotiable. Her idea, not mine.
Third, if I go in and she makes $60 from me on a slow night, that is $60 more than she would have made if I didn't go in at all. If she doesn't want to dance for $60, she can tell me no, thanks, and I'll either come up to eighty or not have a dance.
jaizaine
02-04-2007, 09:12 PM
make the guy feel like he got a good deal, and still make more than you were willing to take.
You are getting a good deal, u are getting to spend time with a beautiful naked woman who will lavish u with attention so why do u have a problem paying the going rate.
Third, if I go in and she makes $60 from me on a slow night, that is $60 more than she would have made if I didn't go in at all. If she doesn't want to dance for $60, she can tell me no, thanks, and I'll either come up to eighty or not have a dance.
You have not understood any of the posts: our services are personal to us, nothing like a used car or any other commodity which is why it is insulting to be bargained with.
NO it would not be better to make the $60 - as per the above posts have said. Read them again and u might work out why.
UtahMike
02-04-2007, 10:45 PM
I give up!
Let me try ONE LAST TIME to explain.
I NEVER ask a girl to lower her price for me anywhere except this one club. In fact, I have YET to ask anyone at this club to do it. Probably I never will now that all of you have ripped me a new asshole.
JUST AT THIS CLUB, every girl I have had for a lapdance has asked if I want a private dance. When I tell them I would, but I can't afford the $160 dollars, EVERY GIRL has told me that the tip is negotiable. This is, like, about ten girls.
I guess the next time I go in, I should tell them that the dancers on Stripperweb told me it was rude to negotiate on the price, so even though THEY want to negotiate, I'm not going to do it. ::)
Guess I don't need to save up my change any longer....sigh....
xoxoGracexoxo
02-05-2007, 11:17 AM
I give up!
Let me try ONE LAST TIME to explain.
I NEVER ask a girl to lower her price for me anywhere except this one club. In fact, I have YET to ask anyone at this club to do it. Probably I never will now that all of you have ripped me a new asshole.
JUST AT THIS CLUB, every girl I have had for a lapdance has asked if I want a private dance. When I tell them I would, but I can't afford the $160 dollars, EVERY GIRL has told me that the tip is negotiable. This is, like, about ten girls.
I guess the next time I go in, I should tell them that the dancers on Stripperweb told me it was rude to negotiate on the price, so even though THEY want to negotiate, I'm not going to do it. ::)
Guess I don't need to save up my change any longer....sigh....
Well, dude, you've already bargained her down to $80. Now you want to go in at a slow time and give her $60? How much more are you planning to drive down the price? Maybe you should wait till you *know* she needs the money for a kidney operation and see if you can get her down to $40.
Sheesh.
This is much of the reason I don't like to bargain; once customers get the idea the price is negotiable, they'll just keep trying to get the price down. If you can't afford the dance price every week, maybe save up and go every two weeks instead?
If you came in on a slow night and offered me less money, what I'd hear you saying to me is: "Hi. I can tell you're having a bad night and I'm wondering if I can take advantage of your desperation." Maybe some dancers will agree to this, but I guarantee you they resent you for it. Sooner or later there will be a busy night when you want a dance from them, and if they have half a brain they will leave you on your ass and dance for their good customers first.
doc-catfish
02-05-2007, 11:46 AM
It should be stated that while they are not the norm there are some clubs where the policy on pricing, particularly for blocks of time in the VIP area, is negotiable, (sometimes within limits). I don't think it should be considered insulting for the customer to haggle in circumstances where the explicitly stated rules say that its okay. If a gal has a set minimum in her mind that she will not work for less than, she's perfectly free to decline any offer short of it.
Now as far as the more common "fixed rate" situation goes:
Some people just have the mentality of "everything's negotiable." And that doesn't mean that if they do try to negotiate, they have the intention to insult you.
The thing is that everything IS negotiable. Its just that in a fixed price situation the negotation comes down to a simple answer, yes or no.
Not to throw another fireball in this thread, but speaking only for myself (although I'm sure others might agree with me...
I don't stay in a nice hotel to show my appreciation for the housekeepers, conceirge, etc.
I don't eat in a nice restauraunt to show my love for the chef/wait staff.
I don't go and buy a nice big ticket item from a particular store because I feel a longing need to send my business there.
I engage in those transactions for MY enjoyment. Any benefit to the vendor in those circumstances is the direct result of them fulfilling that enjoyment. If they don't do that, they don't get my business.
So forgive some of us for carrying that mentality into a strip club, where is seems by the commentary of some here, that customers should act as though they should consider themselves priveledged to hand over their money, and that regular supply and demand dynamics regarding pricing shouldn't apply.
Personally, I feel if the standard price of a lap dance is going to be considered absolutely unnegotiable under any circumstances, and that negotiating under that price "insulting", in fairness, it should be considered every bit as much a breach of etiquette for a dance to quote a higher number than said standard price. OTOH, if its considered permissable for a dancer to charge higher prices, in same fairness, active haggling should also be permissable. The door is either locked and bolted, or it swings both ways. Thats free market enterprise after all.
I guess the next time I go in, I should tell them that the dancers on Stripperweb told me it was rude to negotiate on the price, so even though THEY want to negotiate, I'm not going to do it. ::)
Guess I don't need to save up my change any longer....sigh....
Well Mike, you can take stock in the opinions of some people on a message board, most if not all of whom you will never likely meet in the flesh, or you can take stock in the opinions of the gals whom you spend your money on. Ultimately, I find it the judgment of those you actually do commerce with are the only ones that really truly matter.
Jenny
02-05-2007, 12:19 PM
It should be stated that while they are not the norm there are some clubs where the policy on pricing, particularly for blocks of time in the VIP area, is negotiable, (sometimes within limits). I don't think it should be considered insulting for the customer to haggle in circumstances where the explicitly stated rules say that its okay. If a gal has a set minimum in her mind that she will not work for less than, she's perfectly free to decline any offer short of it.
Okay, if I choose to work an hourly rate, in my club, I'm free to negotiate it, and I do depending on a variety of factors. However, keep in mind that we are all "afraid" of the race to the bottom. We are not a hardware store. We can't just get in more hammers and sell more at a lower price. It is a purely labour based industry. To what degree this should influence you as a consumer, is up for debate, but you must see that we have a legitimate concern.
I don't stay in a nice hotel to show my appreciation for the housekeepers, conceirge, etc.
I don't eat in a nice restauraunt to show my love for the chef/wait staff.
I don't go and buy a nice big ticket item from a particular store because I feel a longing need to send my business there.
I engage in those transactions for MY enjoyment. Any benefit to the vendor in those circumstances is the direct result of them fulfilling that enjoyment. If they don't do that, they don't get my business.
Certainly; however, again I'm sure you know and experience stripclubs as being a little different than a restaurant insofar as the provider's degree of enjoyment/happiness/satisfaction is a little more integral to the experience itself. I mean - you're not paying the chef to have dinner with you, and keep you company. I get what you are saying - that the consumer, as the consumer, should be able to please himself, and I agree; but the service we provide and, indeed that you WANT in a stripclub is a little different.
Personally, I feel if the standard price of a lap dance is going to be considered absolutely unnegotiable under any circumstances, and that negotiating under that price "insulting", in fairness, it should be considered every bit as much a breach of etiquette for a dance to quote a higher number than said standard price. OTOH, if its considered permissable for a dancer to charge higher prices, in same fairness, active haggling should also be permissable. The door is either locked and bolted, or it swings both ways. Thats free market enterprise after all.
I thought it was. I would describe a girl who told a customer that a dance was $50, when it is $20 as "ripping him off".
Bridgette
02-05-2007, 12:47 PM
The door doesn't swing both ways on negotiations in the strip club. Prices are a MINIMUM price. MINIMUM. Meaning we can negotiate up but not down. AGAIN dude, you need to reread the previous posts. To try to get us to go down on our price is to tell us that WE, WE!!!! are substandard, worth less. WE DO NOT LIKE THAT and any stripper with half a brain won't accept it.
Your $60 is NOT better than nothing. EVER. Reread previous posts for the explanation.
And UtahMike, wtf are you talking about when you say "tip is negotiable"??? TIP? The payment for VIP time is purely a TIP??? God I'm glad I don't work in that club. ::)
Well Mike, you can take stock in the opinions of some people on a message board, most if not all of whom you will never likely meet in the flesh, or you can take stock in the opinions of the gals whom you spend your money on. Ultimately, I find it the judgment of those you actually do commerce with are the only ones that really truly matter.TRUST ME when I say that our opinions on this messageboard are 100% representative of strippers everywhere. There is not a single stripper on this planet who doesn't get offended when some asshole walks up and offers her LESS than the standard price for her services. She may accept it because she's desperate and stupid, but that doesn't mean she still wasn't offended at the cheapass offer, and will be that much less enthused about entertaining said asshole. You can take that to the bank.
UtahMike
02-05-2007, 01:34 PM
And UtahMike, wtf are you talking about when you say "tip is negotiable"??? TIP? The payment for VIP time is purely a TIP??? God I'm glad I don't work in that club. ::)
Well, what I mean is that the dancer has said that the tip is negotiable, and offered to lower the tip from $100 to $80. This would make the total price in the private room $140. The private room would be a bikini dance with touching allowed of anything except what is under the bikini.
The way I understood "negotiable" was that it was a series of offers and counter offers until the two parties agreed somewhere in the middle and both were satisfied with the deal.
But I've learned at your knee, so the next time I go in, I'll just tell the dance, "No thanks," when she offers to lower the price of the tip. Or do what I've always done, just buy and enjoy the lapdances.
Bridgette--if you can get $600 for a half hour in the VIP in Atlanta, I can guarantee you that you do not want to work in Utah, unless maybe you want to come for the skiing and take home a few quaint stories.
This is the ONLY club in Utah that offers private and lapdances because it is a holdover from the old days before they outlawed nude dancing in juice bars. Today, a strip club can't get a license unless it is a bar, has an SOB business license, and is in an industrial area of town.
At all the other clubs, there is a three foot rule, a rail (not a tip rail) around the stage at about knee height, no dancing except stage dancing, and money cannot pass from the customer's hand to the dancer's hand.
Well, I think this is all I the longer I want to continue this enlivening and stimulating discussion, so instead, I think I'll go down to the biker bar and see if I can find a couple of guys to kick me around for awhile.
Thanks for the insights you've given me. It's been an education, that I can say.
sander8son
02-05-2007, 08:12 PM
Personally, I feel if the standard price of a lap dance is going to be considered absolutely unnegotiable under any circumstances, and that negotiating under that price "insulting", in fairness, it should be considered every bit as much a breach of etiquette for a dance to quote a higher number than said standard price. OTOH, if its considered permissable for a dancer to charge higher prices, in same fairness, active haggling should also be permissable. The door is either locked and bolted, or it swings both ways. Thats free market enterprise after all.
No you silly goose, this is stripperweb!
If you came in on a slow night and offered me less money, what I'd hear you saying to me is: "Hi. I can tell you're having a bad night and I'm wondering if I can take advantage of your desperation."
Asking a guy to pay for dances is like saying to him: "Hi, I can tell you're having a rough go of it lately with the ladies and I was wondering if i could financially take advantage of your desperation." And thats just wrong. I wish you would stop seeing us as just a tuition payment and/or meth binge. WE HAVE FEELINGS TOO! It's so insulting when people think I'm so desperate that I should pay for their attention and that I should feel priveledged and willing to fork over large amounts.
The door doesn't swing both ways on negotiations in the strip club. Prices are a MINIMUM price. MINIMUM. Meaning we can negotiate up but not down. AGAIN dude, you need to reread the previous posts. To try to get us to go down on our price is to tell us that WE, WE!!!! are substandard, worth less. WE DO NOT LIKE THAT and any stripper with half a brain won't accept it.
Just because you're capitalizing MINIMUM doesn't mean its actually the minimum. Infact everytime a price is posted its the maximum(unless you find a moron). Those prices are the MAXIMUM prices that a normal person would pay. And thats why its the "going rate." Nobody ever pays Above sticker for anything, including dances. again, except for the completely innept. I dont really care that you take advantage of them, if they're that clueless, they deserve it. But cry all you want about people trying to get a better value, its entertaining.
Trying to charge me for a dance is like saying I'm substandard. That I'm worth LESS(infact, that i have negative worth) than the guy who's dick you're sucking for free(hell, maybe you're paying him for the privelidge).
I think wether or not a stripper will or wont accept a lower price is based on market factors as opposed to her brain. Atleast thats how the world works. But then again, i forgot there are no strip clubs on earth, they're all in some foreign vortex. Keep up the good fight though.
And mike do yourself a favor, stop listening to these broads. It wont do you any favors in the club. Unless you're one of the few who derives pleasure from handing over everything you have for nothing.
WoodyLV
02-05-2007, 08:51 PM
Well, I think this is all I the longer I want to continue this enlivening and stimulating discussion, so instead, I think I'll go down to the biker bar and see if I can find a couple of guys to kick me around for awhile.
aaahaha. wise choice. ;)
The discussion has gone full circle and many opinions have been expressed. Thank you all for your participation in the thread :)
FBR