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NWoD
02-20-2007, 08:58 AM
Good looking has nothing to do with it. I hate kissy, slobbery people, in real life and especially when I danced. What are you trying to do, mark me with you scent so I can't make $$$ off of other guys? :P

Don't worry, I usually floss my teeth and use breath mints before I go to the SC }:D

BmiWMT14
02-20-2007, 09:43 AM
The bottom line here guys is that no professional like to have their time wasted with endless chit chat. Weather it be the computer salesman, the carsalesman or what ever. Endless banter equals no $$. These women basically work on commission, so they need to sell to earn. Some cheap ass who wants an arm trophy for the nite is not gonna pay the bills.
I just came back from a trip to Daytona Beach, where I spent quite a few nights at a SC. Some of the girls were down right rude, and others had it goin on. One in particular caught my attention, and I made sure tha I spent $$$ on her. she was attractive, but had a GREAT personality. She danced for me for many songs, got paid double on 2 4 1's, and when she was hanging around the table I made sure to give her a 10 or 20 every now and then. one LD she just sat on my lap, and we chatted. it was a nice break for her, and for me. All in all it was a good time

Star Player
02-20-2007, 05:33 PM
If I am paying $2.50 for a beer and a dancer sits with me I will buy her a $2.50 beer for her. But a $12.50 drink, no way. When I buy my first drink, I tell the coctail waitress she works for me and not to bring or offer the dancer anything more expensive than what I am having. As the customer and an experienced player, I am in control.

I am a reasonable guy, but very direct. If a dancer can give me good, positive intelligent conversation, has a nice sexy outfit, and say some cuddling, well its going to be difficult for me not to buy a couple of dances from her. If on the other hand she comes across as a hustler, well I have no problem sending her on her way.

Don't you guys let dancers pressure you into buying them an expensive drink before you have had a chance to size them up, evaluate them. If they are too pushy on getting you to buy them an expensive drink, chances any dances you get from them won't make thru the mileage warranty. I have had dancers sit with me cuddling, conversing for up to an hour before the subject of dances came up.

georgiapeach
02-20-2007, 07:18 PM
When I buy my first drink, I tell the coctail waitress she works for me and not to bring or offer the dancer anything more expensive than what I am having. As the customer and an experienced player, I am in control.



actually,she works for the club. and if she knows you're going to be cheap with the dancers, it's likely that you'll be cheap with her too. chances are there are plenty of dancers who will tip her better than you will and she'll be sure to let them know which tables to avoid.

as for the $2.50 beer, heh, even water, soda and juice are $3 at my club. i'm relieved to know that, if you ever did come in, you'd be easily recognized as the guy who's too cheap to even buy a glass of coke.

Jenny
02-20-2007, 07:22 PM
See here's the thing. When you work on a drink commission, it is essentially a way of saying "if you want my company, this is what it costs." Of course, if you don't want my company it doesn't matter in the slightest what it costs. If you don't want my company and want to skip straight to the grind, it is just as easy to say that as "I'm not paying that for a drink!". And again, if you just don't want my company, the cost doesn't matter.

If drinks are just expensive - that's just what it costs to buy me a drink. It's not my fault, and I don't actually care, because I don't see the profit. But I'm not going to drink something I don't want to gratify a customer.

So by all means - don't feel pressured. But keep these things in mind.

jaizaine
02-20-2007, 07:59 PM
What drink costs $2.50? hahaha a glass of beer (which I do not drink coz I only drink champagne or non alcoholic drinks) costs $7 at my club.

Maybe you go to dives or holes in the wall, I dunno but I don't see why any dancer would waste an hour with you without asking for a dance when you obviously have a very tight attitude towards spending.

I never ask customers to buy me a drink because I consider myself working and I prefer not to drink. If they offer me a drink and I am in the mood I will order a champagne, if I ever had a customer tell me "oh can you order something cheaper" I would laugh in his face and bid farewell. Sorry If you can't even afford a $6 champagne then you can't afford my time either.

I don't need the business that bad to put up with ridiculous shit like that. An hour? Cuddling pfffft I don't think so.

gingerlee
02-20-2007, 10:58 PM
What drink costs $2.50? hahaha a glass of beer (which I do not drink coz I only drink champagne or non alcoholic drinks) costs $7 at my club.

Maybe you go to dives or holes in the wall, I dunno but I don't see why any dancer would waste an hour with you without asking for a dance when you obviously have a very tight attitude towards spending.

I never ask customers to buy me a drink because I consider myself working and I prefer not to drink. If they offer me a drink and I am in the mood I will order a champagne, if I ever had a customer tell me "oh can you order something cheaper" I would laugh in his face and bid farewell. Sorry If you can't even afford a $6 champagne then you can't afford my time either.

I don't need the business that bad to put up with ridiculous shit like that. An hour? Cuddling pfffft I don't think so.


I just spit out my bottled water on the screen. Dammit, do you know how much cuddling I had to do to get that bottle of water?? ::)

AndyI
02-20-2007, 11:16 PM
Yea, that doesn't exist in every market everywhere! ;)

Not to the extent that it does in strip clubs. I actually find it pretty rare to find people completely trying to rip me off, or who take take absolutely no pride in the quality of their service in other businesses. It happens but it so rare as to be remarkable. In strip clubs, rip-offs and no care about the quality of the service are standard. Maybe 50% of girls are like that.

That's the difference.

jaizaine
02-20-2007, 11:30 PM
^^^ Well I don't rip people off and I certainly take pride in my work which is why I guess I sell multiple dances and get regulars.

AndyI
02-20-2007, 11:35 PM
^^^ excellent. keep up the good work.

jaizaine
02-20-2007, 11:42 PM
^^^^
;)
Also partly coz I am a wimp I'm too scared of being called up on it.
Many of the dancers who I work with regularly rip guys off. We sell 3 songs for $50 and most only do 2 songs, I'm too wimpy and also I just don't think it's right. I mean $50 isn't much to a dancer but it is to a lot of people, it certainly was to me when I worked in retail.

Lola Rose
02-21-2007, 03:25 AM
omg... this thread has morphed pretty far!!!

Cuddling is easier then dancing, maybe the dancer mentioned in the OP as tired and wanted an easy break with a decent guy.

and I would like to say THANK G_D I'm not dancing in H-town!!!! I could NOT handle shit like this.... I hope star player and datchpin (in his later posts, where he seems to have become more and more like star...) aren't the usual custys there!

Star Player
02-22-2007, 07:22 PM
There have some interesting posts here, some opinions I find quite offensive. But what is so shocking and basically apalling is that a lot of dancers just don't realize what lengths their competetion will go to in getting customers to buy dances. It is insulting some of these dancer posters here would not find me interesting or like my romantic stories or the sexy backrubs I can give. Many dancers love to cuddle - am I wrong for enjoying that?

I like to sorta "test drive" a girl before I spend serious dance money on her. Based on years of SC experience, the girls that will cuddle and chat with me can give superior dances. As a player, I also like the "rest periods" inbetween dances for rubbing the girl and getting to know her. One rather delightful blonde gal at Heartbreakers who had been a college cheerleader gave me lots of really good mileage during these rest periods (they were as fun as dances and free!) - I would rub her legs and get to caressl her boobs, also smooch her on the neck. Great fun with a CL for my ITC date! I could also tell some of the other dancers were peeved seeing us like they were scared their regs would find out what pathetic service they gave. I like the cheergirls, and wow are they sure competetive!

Lola Rose
02-22-2007, 09:09 PM
From what you have said in your other posts, your idea of serious dance money is not enough to make most dancers sit and waste that amount of time and give free contact in the hope that you will spend.

You have said time and time again, in fact, I think in every single post you brag about getting high mileage in the club, seeing dancers OTC etc.
For whose purpose are you writing this? I'm not impressed and I don't think anyone else on here is.

You find other people's posts insulting ::)

rotfl!!! jaizaine, I think I just fell in love with you:couple::lovestruc!

jaizaine
02-22-2007, 10:14 PM
Awwwwwww Mwah Lola :-*

jaizaine
02-22-2007, 10:53 PM
^^^^^
Yep agreed. My regular makes my skin crawl. I don't allow any touching but just him in general he is a real dickhead. He makes stupid jokes that are not funny, sings to me during dances and is just a loser.
I just want him to pay up and piss off.
I'm a great actress tho ;)

sun child
02-22-2007, 11:27 PM
ok "star player" let me break it down for you

- strippers don't care about you and your "romantic stories"
- strippers don't appreciate back rubs
- if you want a stripper to be nice to you, give her lots of money
- if you want to get more "mileage" with a stripper, give her lots of money
- strippers can see your little game from a MILE away. we deal with chumps like you all the time. you're not impressing anyone

OH AND FINALLY...

strippers are people. not cars. the "test drive" metaphors are really trite.

gingerlee
02-23-2007, 12:25 AM
ok "star player" let me break it down for you

- strippers don't care about you and your "romantic stories"
- strippers don't appreciate back rubs
- if you want a stripper to be nice to you, give her lots of money
- if you want to get more "mileage" with a stripper, give her lots of money
- strippers can see your little game from a MILE away. we deal with chumps like you all the time. you're not impressing anyone

OH AND FINALLY...

strippers are people. not cars. the "test drive" metaphors are really trite.


Seriously, I got warm and fuzzy when I read this. The truth hurts on occasion, but this truth felt quite nice.

Lola Rose
02-23-2007, 12:57 PM
oh! so they're sexy backrubs and romantic stories! why didn't you say so?? that changes Everything ::)

and if we've insulted you, please, feel free to leave. we won't mind...really.

we could have a going away party!


.... but i doubt he'd appriciate the entertainment. no free milage fom these strippers ;)

Mastridonicus
02-23-2007, 02:13 PM
Oh man, I'll give this customer an inch HOPING he'll take a mile! *laces up*

big_daddy
02-24-2007, 05:41 PM
- strippers don't care about you and your "romantic stories"
WTF never tried that and never will.

- strippers don't appreciate back rubs
I have done this once, and I thought she did appreciate it :'( . She said she did not feel good and had a bad night. It was not really a back rub though, more like a long hug with me rubbing her back, ya know like.......well you know.

- if you want a stripper to be nice to you, give her lots of money
Not always true.

- if you want to get more "mileage" with a stripper, give her lots of money
I have never been down that road, can't say anything about it.

- strippers can see your little game from a MILE away. we deal with chumps like you all the time. you're not impressing anyone
Can they! Just sit and watch them work, strippers and the best readers out there, poker players ain't got shit on them!

OH AND FINALLY...

strippers are people. not cars. the "test drive" metaphors are really trite. Yeah, I have said it but I don't anymore, it's kinda degrading.

But I do have something to say about the whole something for nothing part. You want my money for your time and I want your time for my money. I'm not trying to be rude or anything like that! I think it's fair. I'm paying for your attention you only you, please pay attention to me only me. That's fair I think.

One more thing, 95% of the time I do not buy dances from girls that don't jump in my lap or at least have some kind of interaction like that. When dancers just come up to me and stand 3 feet away and ask if I want a dance it makes me feel like it's a hassle. If it's a hassle to warm me up a little, it's a hassle for me to get up and go with you. I know your here to make money, I know you have to deal with dickheads, etc. I do my best to be the custy you like to have. Then again I'm different than these two guys (I think). I have been educated in the proper blue baller etiquette. Thanks to this site;) .

Mastridonicus
02-24-2007, 09:35 PM
I just don't understand why, "She said she appreciated it." turns into a huge crusade for the truth (not saying you big daddy, just speaking in general, on another note, every time I type big daddy, I say it out loud...weird)

I just don't understand it, why do we need to KNOW she meant it? If a stripper tells me she's having a good time with me, I'm not going to seek the holy land trying to find out if she's being honest, because if I'M having a good time, than that's what I'm paying for. And regardless of what she says, I'm in control of me.

jaizaine
02-25-2007, 12:50 AM
Have any of our houston ladies ever had starplayer as a customer?

RoseWhite
02-25-2007, 02:29 PM
^^^ GREAT question. One I'd like to know the answer to as well!

I'm also genuinely curious about how well he fared on the trip to a different region he was posting about a little while ago. He said himself he was wondering how satisfied he'd be as a customer. Oh, to be a fly on the wall in the dressing room after a few dancers' encounters with Houston's ambassador.

FBR
02-25-2007, 02:39 PM
Have any of our houston ladies ever had starplayer as a customer?


^^^ GREAT question. One I'd like to know the answer to as well!

I'm also genuinely curious about how well he fared on the trip to a different region he was posting about a little while ago. He said himself he was wondering how satisfied he'd be as a customer. Oh, to be a fly on the wall in the dressing room after a few dancers' encounters with Houston's ambassador.

Nope...we are not going there. We all enjoy being anonymous here. The mods would not let a customer reveal your identities nor do we allow customers to be "outed" no matter how you might feel about them. We are very serious about this.

FBR

RoseWhite
02-25-2007, 03:03 PM
^^Apologies, and point taken, FBR. I didn't mean to step out of line. Feel free to delete that if you see fit & if you think it inflammatory. Again, I am sorry.

Mastridonicus
02-25-2007, 03:13 PM
Shh! No one tell, I'm FBR's son in law. And I am TOTALLY milking him. HOW BOUT THEM NEGATIVE INCOME NUMBERS ON MY TAX RETURNS LAST YEAR DAD!? *snuggle*

jaizaine
02-25-2007, 06:10 PM
:'( Sorry I didn't think about that when I posted it purely out of curiousity.:-[

maximvsv
02-25-2007, 11:41 PM
Technically, you ought to ask her. In those situations, I just assume it's the full price amount and decide accordingly.

Star Player
02-26-2007, 05:02 AM
As far as being Houston's ambassador to a Cali Strip club: I will be going there on business on a monthly basis - Torrance Area. There is a club there which is a world wide chain and it is not far from where I will be working during the day. After work I will be dining on their buffet and then sampling some Cali gals. I am concerned this may not be as high mileage as Houston. But I will need to see to believe.

Anyhow I will be looking to do some cuddling and chatting along with my usual SC fun with some lucky gal who appreciates interesting, experienced, and romantic men.

datchapin
02-26-2007, 09:17 PM
Dear mods, I just wanted to know if I could request this thread to be closed? I got what I was looking for in the first few posts and the thread on a whole has really morphed. I don't see it getting back on topic as some people keep wanting the focus on a certain market and it's practices now. I appreciate everyones feedback. If anyone cares, yeah I've incorporated some of the things I've learned here now. Cuddling and chatting is beneficial for both custy and dancer when both parties are willing, and compensating when agreed upon is also, I feel, a good trade off.

Again thank you.

Kaviyd
03-02-2007, 12:14 AM
Re: Strippers don't appreciate back rubs -- I am not a masseuse, I have no training, expertise, or interest in giving massages, and yet on more than one occasion a certain dancer of my acquaintance has asked me (for no cash payment to or from her) to rub her back or other body parts. I have complied with said requests, to the limited extent of my abilities, and she has been grateful for said attempts. I guess a lot depends on who asks for the massage -- certainly a dancer who asks a customer for a massage would not be freaked out to the extent that a dancer receiving an out-of-the-blue offer for a massage from a customer would be.

jaizaine
03-02-2007, 03:35 AM
^^^^
well obviously if someone asks for something they don't mind that is just stating the obvious isn't it?

after dancing for many hours I can understand a dancer wanting a massage from someone who isn't overly sleasy - like a well trusted regular.

sun child
03-05-2007, 02:41 AM
Oh Jesus. Boo hoo you said that strippers don't appreciate back rubs, but one time this stripper DID appreciate a back rub! My point is that I would rather have money than a back rub any day and generally I view back/foot rubs inside the club as an opportunity for a customer to rub his hands all over me free of charge. Maybe you should take a look at your own intentions before crying about the fact that I would prefer to make money inside the club than get a back rub. And anyone who offers me a back rub is not doing me any favors--instead they are satisfying their own desire to touch me for free.

Star Player
03-10-2007, 11:21 PM
^^^ GREAT question. One I'd like to know the answer to as well!

I'm also genuinely curious about how well he fared on the trip to a different region he was posting about a little while ago. He said himself he was wondering how satisfied he'd be as a customer. Oh, to be a fly on the wall in the dressing room after a few dancers' encounters with Houston's ambassador.

Had a great time out there in LA - but it was bikini club. Loved the $15 dances - went two nites - Torrance Club - still getting a feel for the place. Did a lot of cuddling and chatting with this one gal at the bar - slipped her $20. Felt her up real good too. There VIP deal is a rip off. Plan to go back and have more fun. The 3 different gals I had dances with enjoyed me but I way overspent my budget - spent around $400 for the week. Lots of good mileage, but it pisses me off its not at least topless. One gal offered me 3 dances for $30 - had a blast with her. I cuddled with her, got dances, and felt her legs and tits. Also kissed some on neck and told her sexy stories while feeling her tits, it seemed like she got turned on as her tits got larger. But then the mgr got after me for feeling her, so we had to cool it fo awhile. Would have asked her to meet me for session otc for $300 but did not want to cheat on my GF in Houston. Maybe next time.....

BmiWMT14
03-20-2007, 08:28 AM
::) ::) ::)

crizgolfer
03-20-2007, 07:01 PM
Perhaps he (the original poster) is overthinking this. You go to the club and enjoy what you enjoy. If you just want to sit and talk and cuddle and she is up for that then so be it. Just be conscious of the fact that she is working and make sure you make her time worthwhile.

I assure i have spent far more than the price of a dance or two for far less than cuddling.

ExtacyInDaytona
04-21-2007, 05:22 PM
The bottom line here guys is that no professional like to have their time wasted with endless chit chat. Weather it be the computer salesman, the carsalesman or what ever. Endless banter equals no $$. These women basically work on commission, so they need to sell to earn. Some cheap ass who wants an arm trophy for the nite is not gonna pay the bills.
I just came back from a trip to Daytona Beach, where I spent quite a few nights at a SC. Some of the girls were down right rude, and others had it goin on. One in particular caught my attention, and I made sure tha I spent $$$ on her. she was attractive, but had a GREAT personality. She danced for me for many songs, got paid double on 2 4 1's, and when she was hanging around the table I made sure to give her a 10 or 20 every now and then. one LD she just sat on my lap, and we chatted. it was a nice break for her, and for me. All in all it was a good time

if you were still in daytona beach i would so still be dancing!!

Star Player
06-06-2007, 07:41 PM
Which one? The waitress or the stripper?/:O

Stripper - she is pictured

UtahMike
07-30-2007, 10:29 AM
Sounds more like you were with a blowup doll, you probably rolled over on her leg which caused the air from her leg to inflate her breasts. Innocent mistake I'm sure.::)
I think he is gone, or maybe banned, but it was that post that made me wonder whether his persona was real or fake.

slims099
07-30-2007, 01:12 PM
The other night I'm getting dances from this girl and through the course of the session we're making some small talk. I had told her I liked spending time with her to which she responded. "So you wanna just cuddle and talk a little bit?" My first impulse was to laugh, but some things clicked in my head and I didn't laugh instead I left the decision up to her.

This was the first time this happened with me, but here is my questions. 1st. Does anybody on here do that? 2nd. Does the price change for her time as she's no longer dancing or should it remain the same?

I like to get dances mainly, but when I'm drunk and a girl dances for me and gets up close, I get really dizzy so I tell her to chill for a little bit. Then we'll chat and have a great time just doing that. Just depends I suppose.

as_intended
09-10-2007, 07:13 PM
I charge the same per song for cuddling as dancing. Sorry, my time isn't free or negotiable.

Here here, lets be honest your not buying a dance or cuddling your in fact buying the dancers time. what happens in that time is irrelevent to how much time she is spending with you.

britt244
09-10-2007, 08:19 PM
I think he is gone, or maybe banned, but it was that post that made me wonder whether his persona was real or fake.

neither.
Last Activity: 09-08-2007 10:59 PM
you got my hopes up!

Jewels69
09-10-2007, 08:35 PM
Sounds more like you were with a blowup doll, you probably rolled over on her leg which caused the air from her leg to inflate her breasts. Innocent mistake I'm sure.::)


That's the best response I've heard in a long time.Keep the sarcasm the world needs women like us to keep the ego's here on planet Reality ;D:rotfl:

Star Player
09-11-2007, 06:59 AM
I have found that a lot of dancers appreciate intelligent conversation / cuddling and have had them sit with me for an hour or more. Sometimes I gave them dances, sometimes not. I do give them all my business card. One gal in particular who was very personable and friendly, spending time with me chatting and cuddling - I spent over $300 on dances with her. If a gal won't so much as sit with me and chat for awhile then my motivation to spend money on her can be low. Guys are turned off by hustlers.

exotisch23
09-11-2007, 03:43 PM
I think he is gone, or maybe banned, but it was that post that made me wonder whether his persona was real or fake.

I remember seeing that same pic he's got in his sig. used with a female ribbon/name.

WiseGuy_TX
09-11-2007, 05:02 PM
I remember seeing that same pic he's got in his sig. used with a female ribbon/name.


I think he is gone, or maybe banned, but it was that post that made me wonder whether his persona was real or fake....it's top-gun "Derek".

fifi
09-11-2007, 09:18 PM
Star- get with the f*cking program. No one is interested in your conversation. Dancers pretend to be interested in you because that's our job. To PRETEND that you're interesting. I guarantee most of those girls think you're a total prick. It's too bad they don't have better hustling skills/experience, or they'd know better than to waste time on you when they could find someone who's not so disgusting and doesn't act like he's such a prince. Sadly, until they do learn, those are the girls who are stuck with douchbags like you.

Read any post on this board and I think you'll learn that dancers are not interested in your "amazing conversation." We are beautiful women. We can go out any night and get "Great conversation" from real men who aren't dicks to the waitress. But we do think it's hilarious how easily you idiots fall for the act.

Yeah, you're such an "experienced player" that you have to regularly pay for for the privledge of seeing a naked woman, LOL.

Eques
09-11-2007, 11:54 PM
Ok so I've been temporarily banned from this site before. But at least I've got some manners. How exactly is Star Player still around?

Pretty_Penny
09-12-2007, 09:12 AM
Star- get with the f*cking program. No one is interested in your conversation. Dancers pretend to be interested in you because that's our job. To PRETEND that you're interesting. I guarantee most of those girls think you're a total prick. It's too bad they don't have better hustling skills/experience, or they'd know better than to waste time on you when they could find someone who's not so disgusting and doesn't act like he's such a prince. Sadly, until they do learn, those are the girls who are stuck with douchbags like you.

Read any post on this board and I think you'll learn that dancers are not interested in your "amazing conversation." We are beautiful women. We can go out any night and get "Great conversation" from real men who aren't dicks to the waitress. But we do think it's hilarious how easily you idiots fall for the act.

Yeah, you're such an "experienced player" that you have to regularly pay for for the privledge of seeing a naked woman, LOL.


while i mostly agree, i -will- say that there are a few customers i really -do- enjoy having conversations with. i don't have to "act" interested in talking to them.

of course, i have no idea if that would apply to star or not, since i don't know him at all.