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Pinups4DotCom
03-27-2007, 07:28 AM
I can reveal to the donor where the money goes and how much. To date, the donations went to
North Branch land Trust (donation of time sponsored by P4)
Wouunded Heroes
ASPCA
Manatee Foundation

Working now on a series called "earth Heroes" and a TV show called "A Place to Grow" as well as a NYC fashion TV show - all Pinups4 productions. Our board is considering concentrating on projects like this rather than the donated-images model.

We're working on a 2008 calendar that will probably benefit Soldiers Angels...but need to secrure corporate sponsors first.

Pinups4DotCom
03-27-2007, 07:29 AM
Clearly, we have some organizational work to do...I'll set that in motion and let you know when weve respondeed to your concerns

cinammonkisses
03-27-2007, 08:15 AM
I can reveal to the donor where the money goes and how much. To date, the donations went to
North Branch land Trust (donation of time sponsored by P4)
Wouunded Heroes
ASPCA
Manatee Foundation

Working now on a series called "earth Heroes" and a TV show called "A Place to Grow" as well as a NYC fashion TV show - all Pinups4 productions. Our board is considering concentrating on projects like this rather than the donated-images model.

We're working on a 2008 calendar that will probably benefit Soldiers Angels...but need to secrure corporate sponsors first.

Awesome, so that means when I get out of class today, I can call up each of these orgs and they'll tell me that they got a donation from Pinups?! Cool!

amylynnej
03-27-2007, 07:05 PM
They wont attorneys to donate their time but of course models have to. LOL
what a joke!

Id think id rather get knocked up by usama bin laden than pose for free.

scarlett_vancouver
03-27-2007, 08:24 PM
We have your word that you are not making money off of this;

Actually we don't have this, as my question (post 82) was never answered. Maybe he's not making money yet, but it certainly seems like the intention is there that this be a profit-making business for himself. Which makes the fact that he wants models to donate time laughable. I was so on your side before, too, pinups! I hate people who try to make money off of other peoples' charity, it's the lowest low.

Pinups4DotCom
03-28-2007, 02:47 AM
The donations have been made under various names, mostly anonymously (as I said, less to explain to nonprofit boards). You'll see the donations have more than matched a reasonable percentage of sales - since sales during our pre-launch phase have been very limited. My company's donation of time and expenses (partially credited to Pinups4) to environmental charities has amounted to several thousand hours and approximately $1500.

I have no intention of profiting from the charities or from any of this. Should at some point a staff be required to run the operation, I will most likely NOT be the staff member, as it would remove me from my board position and thus would remove me from having a controlling interest (even if not complete control) of the mission I launched.

I'm sorry you all see this as a scam. It is not, and in time you will see our work and understand. Right now, based partially on this input, I've suggested to the board we examine concentrating on specific organized events with measurable results...and let the photography angle be secondary.

I'm saddened by the many of you that believe there's no reason a model should do anything for charity...I'm glad that opinion is shared by a (growing, but small) minority of the folks I've come accross in my 5 years of nonprofit service.

I wish you all well. this is the last post I'll make here on SW about Pinups4. if any of you would like to shape the direction of Pinups4, we are open to considering members of our models' advisory committee - which reports to the board. Just PM me or email [email protected]

Jenny
03-28-2007, 06:02 AM
The donations have been made under various names, mostly anonymously (as I said, less to explain to nonprofit boards).
Less to explain... oh my god. You are out of your mind. You can't run around soliciting and then saying "but we're not registered, have no credibility and you have no way of knowing that we've done what we've said we've done because we donate what we raise anonymously." Dude - you may have noticed that most of us are not strangers to charitable donations. We KNOW this is not how it works.


You'll see the donations have more than matched a reasonable percentage of sales - since sales during our pre-launch phase have been very limited. My company's donation of time and expenses (partially credited to Pinups4) to environmental charities has amounted to several thousand hours and approximately $1500.
Well, that's what we asked you to do - show us that. And you haven't. And really - this is not a sensible use of our time and money. Scarlett, Cally, CK and many others here could make WAY WAY more than $1500 off their pictures in several thousand hours. This would be an ass backwards way for us to contribute to anything. It's essentially taking a potential contribution and giving it to you so you can whittle it down.


I have no intention of profiting from the charities or from any of this. Should at some point a staff be required to run the operation, I will most likely NOT be the staff member, as it would remove me from my board position and thus would remove me from having a controlling interest (even if not complete control) of the mission I launched.
A controlling interest? Of a charity? That is usually language used associated with corporations. I don't think you get controlling interest in charities, because a) charities don't have stock and b) charities are not meant to be "interested".


I'm sorry you all see this as a scam. It is not, and in time you will see our work and understand.
Well, similarly WE'RE really sorry if you are for real and just really, really stupid. Strippers are jerked around all the time, and with a start like you had, you need something substantial to lend you credibility. All you have are [weak] reasons you can't give us anything. We are not a trusting group, and you are a stranger who has essentially come here and asked us to do a free car show, and give you free pictures. For crying out loud.


I'm saddened by the many of you that believe there's no reason a model should do anything for charity...I'm glad that opinion is shared by a (growing, but small) minority of the folks I've come accross in my 5 years of nonprofit service.
Okay, let's be straight. Nobody said that - not even Amylynne. The argument was whether a model should provide bikini shots, and what control she should retain over them - not whether a model should ever do anything. Frankly I think there is something weird about an operation like yours not giving the model rights to her photos.


I wish you all well. this is the last post I'll make here on SW about Pinups4. if any of you would like to shape the direction of Pinups4, we are open to considering members of our models' advisory committee - which reports to the board. Just PM me or email [email protected]
Are you serious?

cinammonkisses
03-28-2007, 06:09 AM
The donations have been made under various names, mostly anonymously (as I said, less to explain to nonprofit boards). You'll see the donations have more than matched a reasonable percentage of sales - since sales during our pre-launch phase have been very limited. My company's donation of time and expenses (partially credited to Pinups4) to environmental charities has amounted to several thousand hours and approximately $1500.


I swear, you got an answer for everything. Not that I believe you but sheesh, you just don't let up. Maybe *someone* should send this link to the IRS }:D

Pinups4DotCom
03-28-2007, 08:36 AM
I've said many times I'll provide an itemization of all donations which are related to Pinups4 - and will post that here when I return from vacation. I screwed up in not having all checks say Pinups4 - but after reading all the posts here that describe how hard it can be for "adult" businesses to donate to charities, I'm not entirely sure that was a mistake.

IRS. Nice thought, but then there's alot on Stripperweb that could sound sinister, isn't there? Send away if you wish...not sure what will be gained by that. Since we're "upside down" finanncially, having spent alot and had little/no gross proceeds from the project (yet I donate time and money anyway) there's nothing for the IRS to gain.

Stupid you're right. I came here before I was ready, tried to tie together for you folks the things which make sense to me. The fact that all the charitable work I do since 2006 is connected to developing Pinups4. The fact that my photography work with models is connected, the fact that I donated my $4000 in radio airtime to the project, have tried several times to get volunteers to understand this program and have had limited success, yet I keep trying. Unfortunately, I've gotten overly emotional, even desparate here and for that I'm sorry.

The gross receipts generated by Pinups4 have been less than $800. The donations I've made in its name have totaled $1,500 plus alot of time as you've said. Go ahead and report this - but aside from burning even more of my time (since the donations didn't become large enough to require itemization on tax forms...so I didn't gain anything there) what will it do?

"controlling interest" was a misstatement, but not incorrect. We are NOT a charity at this time...so I can indeed have controlling interest. When/if we gain IRS status as such, I'll probably remain on the board (as chairman or such) so that I get to vote on the direction of the organization and have substantial influence on its direction. Structurally, the board members each get a vote (in most cases, the chairman just breaks a tie), in most organizations the founder "steers" the board- often because he/she has placed members which think the same way.

PINUPS4 ON HOLD -

Last night, a very exciting opportunity came up which requires that I step away from Pinups4 for a while. I've been asked (as a volunteer) to edit an independent film / documentary on environmental issues, and in addition to continuing my real job and working on a 2008 event committee and my other nonprofit boards, there's no room for Pinups4 right now. I've informed the other board/team members we're stopping external work for a while (can still plan and such).

Pinups4DotCom
03-28-2007, 09:38 AM
I found some financial outlines on this laptop - things I thought were only on my printed file at home.

This may clarify how we've done so far with Pinups4:
FINANCES
Right now, Pinups4 is a corporate effort of Projects with a Purpose LLC (pwpllc.com). Founded to support good causes "doing well through doing good", PWP hopes the Pinups4 brand will popularize sexy, sensual pinup photography and provide a vehicle for good charities.

PWP has donated more than $4,000 to various charities, in addition to tens of thousands of hours of marketing and media services. Internally, we attribute approximately $1500 (and alot of time) of these to Pinups4 Specifically, these have included:

* North Branch land Trust (donation of cash & time sponsored by P4)
* Wounded Heroes / Soldiers' Angels - time donated to organize CD duplication effort and possible calendar project - also working to put together 2008 calendar - $750 in costs and alot of time
* ASPCA - cash donation $100
* Manatee Foundation - cash donation $200
* The Lands at Hillside Farms - Cash Donation $2000
* Sea Turtle Foundation - Cash Donation $100
* Red Cross - Cash Donation $100
* Salvation Army - Cash Donation $100
* $4,000 in radio airtime, donated by PWP for Pinups4 project (Entercom of the Pocono Northeast)
* Alot of misc. corporate expenses (trademark, legal, office, etc.)
* $3000 in equipment expense for charity-based reality show produced by Pinups4 as a production company (currently happening, not part of the $1500)

Jenny
03-28-2007, 10:28 AM
I've said many times I'll provide an itemization of all donations which are related to Pinups4 - and will post that here when I return from vacation. I screwed up in not having all checks say Pinups4 - but after reading all the posts here that describe how hard it can be for "adult" businesses to donate to charities, I'm not entirely sure that was a mistake.
That would be a reason to find charities that are accepting of your donations; not conceal what you are doing with donated funds/time/product. "I screwed up sorry" may be fine in everyday life, but not in a situation like this where you are SOLICITING for DONATIONS of a sensitive nature. BEFORE making solicitations, NOT AFTER you need to be able to offer assurances attached to being a registered non-profit or charity. I feel the need to stress this in case some of our younger or more naive and well meaning members doesn't realize that it is kind of big deal to sign over an image of yourself to "charity" that is making a tiny fraction of what the photo is even worth, and has no documentation making any promises on what is being done with it, or how the money is being used.


Stupid you're right. I came here before I was ready, tried to tie together for you folks the things which make sense to me. The fact that all the charitable work I do since 2006 is connected to developing Pinups4. The fact that my photography work with models is connected, the fact that I donated my $4000 in radio airtime to the project, have tried several times to get volunteers to understand this program and have had limited success, yet I keep trying. Unfortunately, I've gotten overly emotional, even desparate here and for that I'm sorry.
Maybe if you can't get anyone to agree to it, that should tell you something - although you did say earlier that you were swimming in volunteers, that you had too many, didn't have time for them all. Bottom line - if models aren't willing to donate images under the conditions you want, maybe there is something wrong with your conditions and not models?

And dude - if you've spent $4000 to make $1500 - that should tell you something. If you've spent thousands of hours to make $1500 - that should tell you something. Contrast that with working a minimum wage job for thousands of hours, and donating that money. How much would that be? That is not a sensible outlay of money or time - hence the serious doubt that you are legitimate; if you are legitimate it is an excellent reason for the ladies here who are interested in organized charitable work to find an organization that is reputable and effective.


"controlling interest" was a misstatement, but not incorrect. We are NOT a charity at this time...so I can indeed have controlling interest. When/if we gain IRS status as such, I'll probably remain on the board (as chairman or such) so that I get to vote on the direction of the organization and have substantial influence on its direction. Structurally, the board members each get a vote (in most cases, the chairman just breaks a tie), in most organizations the founder "steers" the board- often because he/she has placed members which think the same way.
Okay. So currently you are a corporate body that has shares, of which you have a controlling number, but you want to re-register or change your articles to become a non-profit? We are only girls, but we are demonstrably literate.

Pinups4DotCom
03-28-2007, 05:31 PM
Me, I call those upfront investments. Hopefullly to pay off soon - when the site has enough images to be self sustaining.

We have about a dozen volunteers, I don't have time to manage all of 'em. Most of teh models are locals who want me to shoot them...there's where 50% of my time crunch comes (i get an evening to shoot maybe monthly) - let alone the "real work" of exec'ing an organization - managing volunteers and activitues.

We aren't :looking to change status to a nonprofit" - though I'm considering making the change when it's appropriate and the project can financially support iteskf