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Jenny
03-05-2007, 07:36 AM
Well, what if it was the greatest latte of your life? :) Oh, well, maybe if it were a really GOOD latte; I guess my hypothetical didn't account for that...
I would say that wine has different inherent value; I mean you could could say that "some are cheap and some are expensive" about ANYTHING. And, yes, call me simple minded and suspicious and irredeemably working class, but my proverbial hackles go up when I hear about guys offering that far out of a going rate. Sure, one guy out of 20 that offers might be legit, but that is 19 times you are going to get fucked over.
Stacy - okay, seriously, in your position I would want the money - I wouldn't believe it, but I would want it. I might even take the risk of being fucked over. I don't know the best way to do the exchange, but I don't think a body guard is necessary (I know, I know). Take 2 pieces of ID, photocopy it and leave it with someone. In the unlikely event that he is planning on killing you, I think that would be the adequate deterrent. However, in the event that he simply assaults you - don't expect good redress. This is not necessarily "likely" either, but we are always more aware of the possibility when we are in a more vulnerable position, right? Again, though, I have to stress - be suspicious. I mean I realize TOO constantly tries to lull us with the idyllic notion of billionaires throwing around $10 000 bills just because we look pretty, but it is not the way it normally happens. Just saying. If you do it - good luck! Let us know. If you don't - I hope you keep a pleasant and lucrative ITC customer.
lexXe
03-05-2007, 10:23 AM
This is a situation you really need to think about. Since he's offering you 18k for 24hours, there's a big chance he'll want more of your time after the session, especially if he enjoys himself. How would you handle this? I've never heard of a woman getting this amount of money for one day, if he was your sugar daddy sure, but it seems a little much for only one day of sex. Since he's already your regular and he's willing to pay so much for one encounter, why don't you turn him into a sugar daddy where you form a relationship with him giving you the chance to get to know him and consistently benefit from him financially. This also gives you the chance to ease into the sex giving you more time to decide if you're comfortable with him. I'm suggesting this because its easier and safer to take this amount of money from someone you know and have somewhat of a relationship with. This could also help you get more than 18k out of it.
Good luck!
Tell her to go to his doc and get an std check done first, and make him show her the papers. Transfer money befor the event, and maybe the girl can hire a guy for a couple $$ to be a body guard type who either stays in the next room, or right outside the door. This as well as calling a friend every couple hours, and, deffinitely have her do a backround check on this guy. I believe it's like 9 bucks, and worth it.
xoxoGracexoxo
03-05-2007, 10:56 AM
At the very least, for your safety, get a couple of forms of ID from him, photocopy them, and give them to somebody you trust. Make sure he knows you are doing this, otherwise it's no deterrant.
I wouldn't beleive anyone who made this offer. But you know the guy and I don't, so you're the expert. Just be aware that if you *do* get screwed over, there isn't much recourse for you.
threlayer
03-05-2007, 01:03 PM
I'll look at it from another standpoint for a second.
He must trust you not to be a lunatic to harm him physically or extort money from him (his community standing). To me it is a standoff in this sense whereupon you both must trust each other under your arrangements. Some greater degree of familiarity seems needed for you both. What if his 'wife' finds out and she is the psychotic about whom we are pondering?
On the other hand hot, animalistic, multi-orgasmic sex for awhile is worth some risk I guess.
evan_essence
03-05-2007, 08:12 PM
I'm also weary that this would be addictive for me. What are the possibilities of this changing my sex life? I want to be able keep sex and work sepetate. I know some dancers have had trouble with stripping effecting their sex life, and I don't want that. I've been stripping for quite a while, and that's never been a problem for me, but this is different.Completely different. If this is your first time, you won't recognize many similarities between it and lap dancing. In fact, I'm a bit surprised at all the talk of this being a no-complication money tree by people who are thinking of it hypothetically. Thinking with dollar signs in your eyes is the stripper equivalent of guys thinking with their dicks.
I think Nic had it right when she said, psychologically, you're consenting to be raped. Ask yourself exactly how you're going to feel while he's thrashing away inside you as his breath warms your neck and your nostrils fill with the scent of his sexually excited flesh. Do you have any feelings for this guy? If not, can you compartmentalize this? If so, can you compartmentalize this? How can you be so sure? What will you be thinking the next time you have sex with a loved one? Once you cross this boundary, you've crossed it; it goes on the permanent record of your psyche. I'm not proselytizing a moral stance here, just trying to get you to think about the personal impact you're going to feel, whatever that might be, and whether or not you can handle it during and after the event. The amount of money isn't going to change how it feels at the time and later.
-Ev
UtahMike
03-05-2007, 08:45 PM
Everyone seems to think the doc wants to have hot, multi-orgasmic sex with you.
But, are you sure?
What if he is into BDSM and wants to whip and cut you for 24 hours?
What if he is into Satanism (I know of one doctor who was) and wants you for a religious ceremony?
What if he is into orgies and wants to share you with another 79 guys while he watches?
Are you OK with these possibilities for $18K?
Be sure you know what he wants to do and get it in writing. And take that bodyguard with you in case he lies.
Hell, I bet the guy is really a space alien who wants to steal your ovaries in order to reseed the population of his dying planet ::)
Good grief.
If you've worked thru the emotional/personal implications and security as described by Ev, Nic and others, just get the money upfront and have a fun weekend. I dont know you and wouldnt presume to read your mind but considering that most folks have had blah sex a time or two and not gotten paid for it, 18 grand can buy some memory loss.
FBR
Jenny
03-05-2007, 09:08 PM
If you've worked thru the emotional/personal implications and security as described by Ev, Nic and others, just get the money upfront and have a fun weekend. I dont know you and wouldnt presume to read your mind but considering that most folks have had blah sex a time or two and not gotten paid for it, 18 grand can buy some memory loss.
FBR
Just out of curiosity - would you let a client fuck you for the money? If he had been a really good client before, and always paid on time? No offence, but you are looking at it through the eyes of a john, not a girl.
Just out of curiosity - would you let a client fuck you for the money? If he had been a really good client before, and always paid on time? No offence, but you are looking at it through the eyes of a john, not a girl.
Well, you are presupposing something that would never happen considering Im old and worn out and have to pay rather than get paid. But if I was a young, good looking charismatic guy and a female client offered me the deal described, I'd do it assuming that I wasnt in a relationship which I suspect the OP isnt. Yes, I might lose her business at some point down the road if she went off the deep end. But being the described young, good looking charismatic guy, I probably could maintain her business somehow or worse case would find another customer to replace her if she went south. And not worry about it.
FBR
All Good Things
03-05-2007, 11:44 PM
I mean I realize TOO constantly tries to lull us with the idyllic notion of billionaires throwing around $10 000 bills just because we look pretty, but it is not the way it normally happens.
It sure doesn't. They haven't printed $10,000 bills in about 35 years.
The point of my last post was that many people spend large sums of money for things other than women, however spectacular, and even on things that may bring them limited to zero returns. None. Some people are funny like that.
Look, at least this guy feels he is getting something valuable and desirable for his $18K, and I'd be the last person to challenge his personal valuation of that experience.
My only concern is her safety, and that's because the 24-hour thing puts her in unfamiliar territory for an extended period. And I might note that I was the first person in this thread to suggest physical security in the form of a bodyguard.
And Jenny, my dear, I would never try to "lull" you into anything. Talk about the mother of lost causes. It would be like singing "All the Pretty Horses" to a viper. ;)
Jenny
03-06-2007, 05:13 AM
Well, you are presupposing something that would never happen considering Im old and worn out and have to pay rather than get paid. But if I was a young, good looking charismatic guy and a female client offered me the deal described, I'd do it assuming that I wasnt in a relationship which I suspect the OP isnt. Yes, I might lose her business at some point down the road if she went off the deep end. But being the described young, good looking charismatic guy, I probably could maintain her business somehow or worse case would find another customer to replace her if she went south. And not worry about it.
FBR
And THIS right here is how you are looking at it as a john and not a girl. I actually specifically made the offerer male because I thought that might help you get into a different headspace, and you respond my levering it back into yours - the headspace of the payer, and the payee.
And FBR - really. MORE charismatic? Couldn't be done.
Jenny
03-06-2007, 05:17 AM
It sure doesn't. They haven't printed $10,000 bills in about 35 years.
Really? Damn. I guess that means the one I got last week is fake... I mean, I just thought I looked particularly pretty...
And Jenny, my dear, I would never try to "lull" you into anything. Talk about the mother of lost causes. It would be like singing "All the Pretty Horses" to a viper. ;)
Oh please. I suspect you know better than most people how all this talk of money makes our eyes half close, and causes us to gently sway back forth... like "you are getting sleepy..."
Tabytha
03-06-2007, 05:53 AM
I am going to agree with Emily here. I have had sex for free with less than stellar results.
18K???? FANTABULOUS results!
Stay safe...take the utmost precautions and go for it!
Stacy Loves Prada
03-07-2007, 09:15 PM
Well, thanks everyone for responding and caring so much for my safety.
I met the custy for lunch today and we discussed this more. I told him how much research I had done on him. And we spoke about my introspection and thought process on the situation. I apologized, and said it just isn't me, and I'd never forget it. He was disappointed and a little upset, but not mad. I have a feeling he'll be back to see me at work, but I'm not going to count on it.
I'm 1/2 in disbelief that I turned down 18k, but on the other hand, I'd never be able to forget it, or see myself as anything more then a prostitute.
Thanks again.
carolina6
03-07-2007, 09:30 PM
I'm glad you were able to realize that it wasn't for you. I'm sure that for 18k lots of people could (I think I could) but you aren't one of them. It's good that you know your limits.
Hopefully it'll drive him into a further craze for your attention and he'll give you more than 18k over the next couple months :)
Lysondra
03-07-2007, 09:37 PM
Well, thanks everyone for responding and caring so much for my safety.
I met the custy for lunch today and we discussed this more. I told him how much research I had done on him. And we spoke about my introspection and thought process on the situation. I apologized, and said it just isn't me, and I'd never forget it. He was disappointed and a little upset, but not mad. I have a feeling he'll be back to see me at work, but I'm not going to count on it.
I'm 1/2 in disbelief that I turned down 18k, but on the other hand, I'd never be able to forget it, or see myself as anything more then a prostitute.
Thanks again.
My prostitute friends wants to know: "What's wrong with that?"
Miss Jessica
03-07-2007, 09:39 PM
I'd do it.
I've had sex for all the wrong reasons anyway. $18,000 is a great wrong reason
:rotfl: Yup, I have to sort of agree w/you there. I still wouldn't do it, but you make a good point.
BlackSheEp3
03-07-2007, 09:50 PM
Thats a lot money...hell id do it. If someone offered me that much money....which wont happen..lol
mollyzmoon
03-07-2007, 10:27 PM
Hey Stacy, it's just money. Peace of mind is more important. I have nothing against prostitution, but I doubt if I could handle it either, personally. I think a person can guess their frame of mind, and make decisions based on that. Sex is so psychologically complex for many people...I dunno. What's ok and reasonable for one person could perhaps permanently disorient another's psyche. I think people should live to be happy (generally speaking), and a whole whack of cash doesn't really guarantee that happening (even if it does pay a few bills). Take care of yourself.
AlexxaHex
03-07-2007, 10:36 PM
For $18K I would gladly take that man on the ride of his life, with whips and chains if he so desired (preferably). Of course HE would be on the receiving end, but I digress. ;)
If we are still discussing the situation here although Stacy has already made her decision, I must say that I don't know what the big deal is. Almost every woman has had some kind of sexual encounter (for free) with some idiot who didn't deserve her and then ended up being a complete anus-face by doing something (to her) that makes her regret having sex with him in the first place, right? My question is why the hell would you not want to profit from this in some way? .
I know women who will fuck and hang all over anyone in a Hollywood band, yet they scoff at my past interest in possibly giving someone a handjob for several hundred dollars! What exactly is the difference here? Where does the line get crossed? Kissing, fondling, penetration?
Whether or not the guy is giving you money, you are still fucking him, so what exactly makes prostitution so dirty? What makes you think you won't be able to look at yourself in the mirror once you cross the "dirty hooker" boundary?
That whole "I'm too good for getting paid" thing is just silly to me - no offense, Stacy if you have other reasons (just a general statement). Some women are too good NOT to get paid! If you can reasonably tolerate giving the guy dances in VIP and you know your safety won't be compromised, then I don't know where all this inner damage comes into play. Sex is the easiest way to earn money. Ask any suburban housewife.
Lysondra
03-07-2007, 10:39 PM
For $18K I would gladly take that man on the ride of his life, with whips and chains if he so desired (preferably). Of course HE would be on the receiving end, but I digress. ;)
If we are still discussing the situation here although Stacy has already made her decision, I must say that I don't know what the big deal is. Almost every woman has had some kind of sexual encounter (for free) with some idiot who didn't deserve her and then ended up being a complete anus-face by doing something (to her) that makes her regret having sex with him in the first place, right? My question is why the hell would you not want to profit from this in some way? .
I know women who will fuck and hang all over anyone in a Hollywood band, yet they scoff at my past interest in possibly giving someone a handjob for several hundred dollars! What exactly is the difference here? Where does the line get crossed? Kissing, fondling, penetration?
Whether or not the guy is giving you money, you are still fucking him, so what exactly makes prostitution so dirty? What makes you think you won't be able to look at yourself in the mirror once you cross the "dirty hooker" boundary?
That whole "I'm too good for getting paid" thing is just silly to me - no offense, Stacy if you have other reasons (just a general statement). Some women are too good NOT to get paid! If you can reasonably tolerate giving the guy dances in VIP and you know your safety won't be compromised, then I don't know where all this inner damage comes into play. Sex is the easiest way to earn money. Ask any suburban housewife.
This is not funny... this is not funny... this is not funny.... BWAHAHAHHAHAAAAAA :laughing:
Jenny
03-07-2007, 10:40 PM
^^^
Alexxa;
people seldom make the decision to have unsatisfactory sex. That is, generally, an accident. Engaging in prostitution, is, for most thinking people, a BIG decision. It impacts fundamentally on how they see themselves and their sexuality. While it is perfectly fine and even positive in my opinion to make that decision, it is ridiculous to deride others for making a different one.
mollyzmoon
03-07-2007, 11:00 PM
If you're wondering how someone can handle giving a VIP, but not actual sex for money, I don't know. But I can tell you it absolutely makes a difference to me. I'm fairly selective about who I have sex with anyway, but even if I maybe regret some of the sex I've had, I know that at the time it was something I was comfortable with. I can't put it in a rational way except to say that the idea of someone paying me to go down on them, or fuck them, or whatever...it's just nightmarish to me on some weirdly visceral level. Maybe it's societal, or upbringing, or whatever, but that doesn't change how I feel about it.
I can totally see how people are ok with it. It's a rational decision. I can also see how people could not understand how I am ok with getting paid to dance around naked, or how this would be overwhelming and impossible for some girls. Even if sex should be no big deal, and people do act fairly hypocritically, it's still a big deal emotionally to some.
I remember a prof telling me once that sex between siblings is really easy to argue in favour of, rationally speaking (what with a safe amount of birth control, both being consenting adults, and all other necessary contingencies), but even the most logical argument could not convince a lot of people that it's ok. You could see it being rational, but also repulsive, you know? Not that I'm saying prositution is like incest, just that there are all sorts of issues tied in with sex that are not so easy to dismiss just because there's no good reason for them. There are philosophers who make very reasonable arguments in favour of infanticide as well, but their logic is rarely persuasive for those who just can't stomach the idea.
Not to rant and rave- just trying to emphasize with Stacy. It's a personal decision, and not really one that can be mulled over or argued about with anyone other than the person who's decision it is to make (I think abortion is the same way, whether or not that's a good analogy). Ok! Just needed to get that out. :)
Stacy Loves Prada
03-07-2007, 11:10 PM
^^^
Alexxa;
people seldom make the decision to have unsatisfactory sex. That is, generally, an accident. Engaging in prostitution, is, for most thinking people, a BIG decision. It impacts fundamentally on how they see themselves and their sexuality. While it is perfectly fine and even positive in my opinion to make that decision, it is ridiculous to deride others for making a different one.
Jenny, you're very right. I know I'll see myself differently if I did this. I've made soe bad decisions regarding sex in the past, and I don't want to do that again. I want sex to be something special for me, with only the person I love. Otherwise, I'm just unfulfilled, and I'd rather not have sex at all.
For $18K I would gladly take that man on the ride of his life, with whips and chains if he so desired (preferably). Of course HE would be on the receiving end, but I digress. ;)
If we are still discussing the situation here although Stacy has already made her decision, I must say that I don't know what the big deal is. Almost every woman has had some kind of sexual encounter (for free) with some idiot who didn't deserve her and then ended up being a complete anus-face by doing something (to her) that makes her regret having sex with him in the first place, right? My question is why the hell would you not want to profit from this in some way? .
I know women who will fuck and hang all over anyone in a Hollywood band, yet they scoff at my past interest in possibly giving someone a handjob for several hundred dollars! What exactly is the difference here? Where does the line get crossed? Kissing, fondling, penetration?
Whether or not the guy is giving you money, you are still fucking him, so what exactly makes prostitution so dirty? What makes you think you won't be able to look at yourself in the mirror once you cross the "dirty hooker" boundary?
That whole "I'm too good for getting paid" thing is just silly to me - no offense, Stacy if you have other reasons (just a general statement). Some women are too good NOT to get paid! If you can reasonably tolerate giving the guy dances in VIP and you know your safety won't be compromised, then I don't know where all this inner damage comes into play. Sex is the easiest way to earn money. Ask any suburban housewife.
I somewhat agree with you. I've seen the housewife relationship, and it can be very successful and beneficial for both people. And As I said, I've made so bad sex decisions, and don't want to do it again.
Hey Stacy, it's just money. Peace of mind is more important. I have nothing against prostitution, but I doubt if I could handle it either, personally. I think a person can guess their frame of mind, and make decisions based on that. Sex is so psychologically complex for many people...I dunno. What's ok and reasonable for one person could perhaps permanently disorient another's psyche. I think people should live to be happy (generally speaking), and a whole whack of cash doesn't really guarantee that happening (even if it does pay a few bills). Take care of yourself.
Wow, I totally get what you're saying, 100%. I could have said it myself! Sex is so intimate and personal for me, and I don't want it to be different. I want to keep it as something special. Thanks :hug:
My prostitute friends wants to know: "What's wrong with that?"
Well, for 1), where I live it's illegal, and I would hate to know that if I got arrested for it, I'd be charged with a sex crime. 2), If it's ALL I'd see myself as, then there's an issue. The sheer fact that you introduce those friends as your "prostitute friends" rather then "friends who are prostitutes" make my point entirely. Furthermore, I can tell you just want to argue.
So, Goodbye. I'm not going to log on as Stacy again. I'd like to go back to the name I'm proud of and where I can show my face :)
AlexxaHex
03-07-2007, 11:33 PM
I want to make it very clear, in case I failed to do so before, that my previous post was not directed at anyone specifically.
This is just how I feel about it personally. Obviously many other women don't (and I don't expect them to just as I hope they would not expect the reverse from me), but that's why I wanted to shove my ever-extreme POV into the mix for philisophical reasons.
X Evan X
03-08-2007, 01:50 AM
I'll bet $20 that he spends more than $18k on her over the next 6 months ITC.
I've seen some girls work some amazing sugar daddy deals over the years and almost always: Slow and steady wins the race.
I'm of the belief that a guy "shooting his load" of cash so to speak will likely mean he will move on to the next conquest if his big gesture doesn't win over his prospect...
Out of the hundreds I've witnessed, the 3 most lucrative (by a long margin) were girls who never slept with theirs.
Susan - He paid of of her bills (and I mean ALL) for more than a year, at least $3k a month.
Heather - $30k down payment on a home, new BMW and new Land Rover paid off, in her name. Sugar daddy didn't even know that the Land Rover was for her boyfriend or that he lived with her in the new house.
Krissy - Never even saw hers outside the club. I can verify some figures from seeing his receipts in the office... he once got mad and refused to come in for 3 months (because she wouldn't meet him OTC)... he began coming in again spending the same and told her "sheeesh in that 3 months staying away from here I saved $60,000". That guy came in just to see her for like 2 years.
-E
Nicolina
03-08-2007, 10:56 AM
I'd never be able to forget it, or see myself as anything more then a prostitute.
I understand that this discussion is over, but I just want to say a couple things before the thread fades into oblivion.
First, I'm proud of any woman who can recognize her own boundaries and make decisions that she feels will preserve her well-being and stand by those decisions in the face of pressure or temptation.
However, I do feel that it would be silly to not see yourself as "anything more than a prostitute" if you had decided to do this. "A girl who once turned a very lucrative trick" would be a more accurate self-identity, I think. I mean, I rode a horse once, but that doesn't make me an equestrian. I stole a lipstick when I was 15, and I don't consider myself "nothing but a thief." And despite having crossed this boundary a few times myself, I definitely don't think of myself as 'nothing but a whore.'
Think about it this way: Would you ever refer to yourself as "nothing but a stripper"?
sun child
03-08-2007, 11:28 AM
"where i can show my face"
^ buahahahaha
Sorry, this just seems over the top. Fucking a guy for 18K isn't that shameful!
But--I think that X Evan X is totally right. He will spend more money this way imo. I'm sorry you feel like you have to leave this site because you considered this scenario. That's silly. I'd like to know what happens with Mr. 18K.
UtahMike
03-08-2007, 12:05 PM
And we spoke about my introspection and thought process on the situation. I apologized, and said it just isn't me, and I'd never forget it.
Well, Stacy, whoever you are, you have certainly impressed ME.
It is so very refreshing to find someone who will not give up her personal standards. (No, I'm not criticizing all those who said they would take the money and f*ck. You have your own personal standards, and whatever they are, they are just fine.) I think you deserve a big award for personal integrity.
For what it is worth, every time in my life that I have done something I thought I should not do, for what I thought at the time were good reasons, I have lived to regret it later.
Congratulations, and I hope you make lots of money from this guy over the next several months.
Jenny
03-08-2007, 01:13 PM
Well, Stacy, whoever you are, you have certainly impressed ME.
It is so very refreshing to find someone who will not give up her personal standards. (No, I'm not criticizing all those who said they would take the money and f*ck. You have your own personal standards, and whatever they are, they are just fine.) I think you deserve a big award for personal integrity.
For what it is worth, every time in my life that I have done something I thought I should not do, for what I thought at the time were good reasons, I have lived to regret it later.
Congratulations, and I hope you make lots of money from this guy over the next several months.
All due respect UtahMike, but really. Saying you are not "criticizing the rest of us who have our own standards" - by that rationale you would have been "impressed" regardless of her decision; and her integrity would have been intact no matter what she decided. This is an indirect way of complimenting her on her chastity - at least as it compares to the rest of us.
Katrine
03-08-2007, 01:47 PM
Moot point, but if I were in these shoes, the custy would already have come many times and that $18K would be in my brokerage account earning me more money than hoping he will come back and spend would earn.
I think he'll be back to see her though........signing off, your friendly neighborhood whore. ;)
TheSexKitten
03-08-2007, 01:54 PM
Glad you could respect your personal boundaries, but....
I woulda!! }:D
After hiring a security guard of course.
sun child
03-08-2007, 02:08 PM
Last time I checked integrity meant adhering to moral standards or ethical principles. Both of these things have to do with right and wrong. Stacy must think it's wrong to have sex for money, but not wrong to strip. We can all agree that stripping and giving lapdances and having sex with clients are different things, but I don't see why she is patted on the back for thinking one thing is morally and ethically wrong and one thing is just fine and dandy. I personally think that there's nothing morally or ethically wrong with prostitution. We should be saying, "Congratulations for resisting the temptation to do something you're not 100% comfortable with" rather than "Congratulations for keeping your ethical and moral standards!" because the latter implies that those of us who might do this or have done this before are less ethical.
Bridgette
03-08-2007, 03:15 PM
We should be saying, "Congratulations for resisting the temptation to do something you're not 100% comfortable with" rather than "Congratulations for keeping your ethical and moral standards!" because the latter implies that those of us who might do this or have done this before are less ethical.Agreed. Whether or not someone else would've done it shouldn't even come into play. The fact that she stuck to HER boundaries is what's important. If other girls would've done it for the $18k, that doesn't mean they'd be compromising their own sense of right or wrong.
zoe jane
03-08-2007, 03:43 PM
i wouldnt give a shit how he got the money just as long as it was put in my hand (cash of course!!) id limit the sex to one time, if he had a problem fuck em raise up the price. if hes going to pay 18 grand he will probably pay more!!!
madmaxine
03-08-2007, 06:19 PM
Whether or not the guy is giving you money, you are still fucking him, so what exactly makes prostitution so dirty? What makes you think you won't be able to look at yourself in the mirror once you cross the "dirty hooker" boundary?
That whole "I'm too good for getting paid" thing is just silly to me - no offense, Stacy if you have other reasons (just a general statement). Some women are too good NOT to get paid! If you can reasonably tolerate giving the guy dances in VIP and you know your safety won't be compromised, then I don't know where all this inner damage comes into play. Sex is the easiest way to earn money. Ask any suburban housewife.
Words of gold. I spent YEARS giving good pussy away under the guise of "love in a relationship"...never again...never again.....
Lysondra
03-08-2007, 06:19 PM
i'd like to point out that I would have said 'my lawyer friend' instead of 'my friend that's a lawyer' any day. So saying 'my prostitute friend' was a grammatical choice, not a judgemental one.
UtahMike
03-08-2007, 06:55 PM
All due respect UtahMike, but really. Saying you are not "criticizing the rest of us who have our own standards" - by that rationale you would have been "impressed" regardless of her decision; and her integrity would have been intact no matter what she decided. This is an indirect way of complimenting her on her chastity - at least as it compares to the rest of us.
My, my aren't WE sensitive today.
Whatever your standards are, I respect you if you do not choose to be tempted to do something contrary to them. Chastity has nothing to do with it. It is when you are not tempted to do something YOU think is wrong that I respect you, not whatever it is that you consider wrong.
evan_essence
03-08-2007, 09:52 PM
Last time I checked integrity meant adhering to moral standards or ethical principles. Both of these things have to do with right and wrong.That's one definition, but I think an equally valid, alternate definition of integrity is the act of sticking to one's own personal principles consistently, rather than say, flip flopping positions to gain some personal advantage from the change.
Stacy must think it's wrong to have sex for money, but not wrong to strip. We can all agree that stripping and giving lapdances and having sex with clients are different things, but I don't see why she is patted on the back for thinking one thing is morally and ethically wrong and one thing is just fine and dandy.I don't believe she said she thinks one is morally wrong and one is fine. She spoke of her own personal boundaries and how she would feel. I think you're confusing someone else's misinterpretation or imprecise paraphrasing of what she said with what she actually said.
Like it or not, we all have our own personal moral code which is the basis of our comfort zone. Telling others what that is and describing how we're guided by it is not tantamount to believing that others are wrong and should be following our code. I'm like Stacy in that I have some spiritual beliefs about sex, and like her, if I were to share that viewpoint with you, it wouldn't be because I felt compelled to force them on you or look down upon you for seeing it differently.
-Ev
Jenny
03-08-2007, 10:39 PM
My, my aren't WE sensitive today.
Whatever your standards are, I respect you if you do not choose to be tempted to do something contrary to them. Chastity has nothing to do with it. It is when you are not tempted to do something YOU think is wrong that I respect you, not whatever it is that you consider wrong.
Oh, sweetie - how long have you been here? You might have noticed that there is no day that I am not sensitive to jerk off guys presuming that they are in a place to confer approval on us like we are a class of first graders. I hate it enough when we get paid for it.
And THIS right here is how you are looking at it as a john and not a girl. I actually specifically made the offerer male because I thought that might help you get into a different headspace, and you respond my levering it back into yours - the headspace of the payer, and the payee.
Jenny, your post did give me pause to consider. And while my entire head didnt venture beyond my headspace, my left eye, temple and part of my left ear did so. Which was kind of a scary exposure for an old reactionary like me.
And FBR - really. MORE charismatic? Couldn't be done.
A shameless flirt to make me feel better after the smackdown. But I'll take it ;)
FBR
All Good Things
03-08-2007, 11:15 PM
Jenny, I think he said, "You have your own personal standards and whatever they are, they are just fine."
That's a fairly broad-minded view, don't you think?
My reading of his posts was that he was congratulating her on not violating her own personal boundaries, "whatever they may be." Is that really conferring judgment?
I think the word "integrity" got in the way. It's so easily misunderstood as some sort of position based on an arbitrary moral standard, and it really pisses people off in that context, usually for good reason.
I'd suggest in this case, it was not used in that context.
He is supporting her for her sticking to her own personal boundaries, "whatever they may be." I think that we can all agree that's a good thing. Right?
dollyrocker
03-09-2007, 12:09 AM
Well it is prostitution... but 18k? Woah! I think i'd go for it
Money up front of course :D
Yeah, for 18 grand my ass is for sale! Well, maybe not my ASS since I'm not cool w/ anal, but you know..........
I could pay off all my bills, move to a new apt, AND buy boobs! ;D
As long as it's safe sex I see nothing wrong with it. If the girls comfortable with it she should go for it.
Sunshine73
03-09-2007, 12:24 AM
If it were me I wouldn't do it. Hell no. I just have a bad feeling about it. There are other ways to make $$$ without sacrificing your health, safety, or sanity. But if SHE wants to do it? I don't judge her for it...if it remains within the realms of her personal boundaries, and she's OK with it, then why not? BUT...if I were her, and I decided to do it, I'd get the $$$ in cash up front, hire security, tell a few close friends of her whereabouts & check in with them frequesntly, and make an agreement with her john that clearly states what can and cannot go on.
Ugh. It seems like it is more trouble than it's worth.
UtahMike
03-09-2007, 01:07 AM
Oh, sweetie - how long have you been here? You might have noticed that there is no day that I am not sensitive to jerk off guys presuming that they are in a place to confer approval on us like we are a class of first graders. I hate it enough when we get paid for it.
Gawrsh, I can't really tell if I've been complimented or insulted, so I'll just say thanks, and I appreciate the kind and considerate words.