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StevieStar7
06-03-2009, 10:02 AM
Ok Question...Once you get the guy to agree to go to VIP...Do you tell him BEFORE you get into VIP, what you're going to charge or do you get into VIP with him, hang out, do some dances AND THEN negotiate a price for you're time spent with him?
Athenathefabulous
06-03-2009, 11:11 AM
in my club, they are required to pay for vip rooms up front since we have to give a fee to the floor guy.
in general, the lapdances i ask for the money afterwards, especially since there are signs all throughout the club saying they are 20$ a song. its harder for them to claim they were ripped off. also its much easier to get the smaller amount of money off of a difficult customer. i have always retrieved my money on lapdances to this day, even if i had to argue or get a bouncer to get it. however, i imagine if i didnt get my money, i would be pissed as hell but only a few minutes of my naked time would have been wasted, so it wouldnt be the end of the world (although i would definitely make a scene and a few death threats).
however, with vip time, a lot more than a song or 2 of your time would be wasted and there is more money at stake. at my club, there are standard rates but no signs, so it would be easier for the customer to say he felt lied to if you arent paid up front. also, havng them pay up front means you can peace out if he does any funny business (whip a dick out or is too grabby etc.) And if you spend a half hour nude with some guy and he doesnt pay you the few hundred dollars he owes you, imagine how pissed off you would be. I would recommend getting your money before doing any private one on one time with a customer.
SpeakngEZ
06-09-2009, 08:12 PM
^^^ I like to get at least the money for the First dance or first VIP time up front, and then trust him to pay me for the rest--rather than to break the flow to have him dig out his wallet. That way, I'm not screwed out of all my money, I don't Go NEGATIVE paying out for the dances I didn't get payed for, and he understands that the money he gave was for the first song ONLY. Seems to work.
shinysugar
06-22-2009, 01:59 AM
so you got the guy to do a dance... yay!!! other than making dance plural, what other ways can you get them to do more dances?
ive been askng at the end of each song if they want to play some more and they usually stop between 2 or 3. i too dont ask for the money upfront, so im afraid of getting ripped off if i don't ask.
Otoki
06-23-2009, 12:05 PM
so you got the guy to do a dance... yay!!! other than making dance plural, what other ways can you get them to do more dances?
ive been askng at the end of each song if they want to play some more and they usually stop between 2 or 3. i too dont ask for the money upfront, so im afraid of getting ripped off if i don't ask.
You should always do something to ask their permission for another dance, however you don't have to phrase it like a question. Sometimes saying "let's keep going" is a good way to get them to do another dance without asking a question.
Don't ever do any dances that you didn't get their permission for. It's a recipe for disaster. The chance that they'll feel ripped off is pretty big.
keira0304
06-24-2009, 01:09 AM
so you got the guy to do a dance... yay!!! other than making dance plural, what other ways can you get them to do more dances?
ive been askng at the end of each song if they want to play some more and they usually stop between 2 or 3. i too dont ask for the money upfront, so im afraid of getting ripped off if i don't ask.
My favorite line is : "You DONT Want to STOP now do you??" They hear the enunciation on "don't stop" and they naturally want to tell you know, but in this case NO means YES! Always get's a second dance. Then at the end of the second dance, dance like 2-3 seconds into the next song and then say "keep going??" while nodding your head and looking at them. Works 75% of the time. For getting the fourth song say " I don't want to stop, I'm having so much fun, aren't you?? " idk. that's what I do. with a good customer I can easily get 4 in a row using these lines.
AmbrosiaSpice
06-24-2009, 03:11 PM
keira0304 - awesome lines, thank you!
AmbrosiaSpice
06-24-2009, 03:12 PM
I also like to say, around the 2nd/3rd dance - especially if I'm starting to "glisten," i.e. sweat - "Oooh, I'm getting so excited... let's keep going." Therefore you can pin the glistening on getting hot for him.
Rayna Skye
07-07-2009, 03:17 AM
Yu know what? I agree and dissagree with the sitting by yourself thing. Sometimes it looks like no ones wants you, and other times, I've made so much money by sitting down till it's not even funny. I mostly sit by myself when I'm tired or my feet hurt.
Some of the things guys have said to me while I was sitting by myself at a table never at the bar are:
"You aren't bothering me like the other girls, give me a dance"
"You bored? well I can keep you busy"
"You already made your money huh? come get some more."
ect.
Every club is different, I don't make a habbit outta sitting by myself, but it can be a good thing sometimes.
femmefatale88
07-09-2009, 12:06 AM
a good way to get them to not want to stop and continue with another song is that when the song ended and another song is coming up, do something really sexy at that very moment that makes it hard for them to want to back out of , ie, boobs in the face, or grinding sexily in their lap, (when you weren't doing that before). i found that when i did that the guy couldn't resist and didnt want to stop even though he prob didn't plan on it.
Honorarydancer
09-29-2009, 01:55 PM
Hi Chrissy
I'm new to this site and even though been dancing for over a year i am still looking for ways to earn more cash from the custy's. I'm gonna try these out tonight see if they work :)
bambiblue
12-27-2009, 08:11 PM
Great hints! Something that I found works well for me is to go up to a guy, introduce myself and say "your ready for a dance now aren't you?". If he says yes GREAT, but if he says something like "maybe later" I sit down and chat with him for a few minutes (about 5). Then I tell him I h:)ave to go mingle and leave. Often times the guy will pursue me for a dance later. The fact that I stuck around to chat AFTER the no tends makes a good impression and leaves him not feeling like I'm a ruthless wallet hound.
I don't think I agree with this......Sit 5 minutes...then ask... if he says no... move on.
XAnastasiaX
01-12-2010, 05:37 PM
Always assume the sale ladies.
rihannsu
01-23-2010, 02:09 AM
I just wanted to say thanks to you guys for making this thread. I've followed the links and printed out a hell of a lot of information that I desperately needed.
Now to make enough $ to afford Stripandgrowrich and take it to the next level.
zombee
02-08-2010, 05:14 PM
Something that I think helps me sell more dances is throwing in a new position every song or so. I can give an entertaining, intimate dance with just 2 or 3 positions, so the first one is still worth it. But every time he buys another, I mix it up a little and do something different, even if it's just a minor variation.
I also try to gauge which position he responds to the best, and get confirmation for another song when I am in that position. Usually, it is on his lap, facing away and leaning against him, so I can talk softly into his ear. Sometimes I cover my chest with my hands while I am asking, so he doesn't get to see my boobs again until he agrees.
Maybe this is a little silly or obvious, but I tape a dollar on the inside of my locker, and a sticky note with a financial goal or big purchase written on it. When I am dragging, or the club is slow, I remove myself from the floor for 5 minutes tops to touch up my hair and makeup or just take breather. I see the sticky note and the dollar and I can go back up to the floor, refreshed and focused again. It also makes me look like I have been busy rather than just making the rounds looking for someone I haven't already talked to.
Otoki
03-04-2010, 08:39 PM
Maybe this is a little silly or obvious, but I tape a dollar on the inside of my locker, and a sticky note with a financial goal or big purchase written on it. When I am dragging, or the club is slow, I remove myself from the floor for 5 minutes tops to touch up my hair and makeup or just take breather. I see the sticky note and the dollar and I can go back up to the floor, refreshed and focused again. It also makes me look like I have been busy rather than just making the rounds looking for someone I haven't already talked to.
I like the idea of the sticky-note:)
angeldiamond
03-04-2010, 11:18 PM
I've been trying this out: If I am talking to a customer before I need to pick my music and get on stage, I will ask him what he would like to see me dance to. If it's something I can dance to I tell him "I'm going to dance to that just for you" and if I don't like the song at all I'll say "Hmm, I'm not sure they have that song but I'll dance to it if they do!" that way I can always claim the DJ didn't have the song. I've only tried it a couple of times so I'm not sure if it works but I thought it might be a nice personal touch that would make a customer feel special.
angeldiamond
03-07-2010, 12:25 PM
I would just like to say that I used some of these techniques last night and increased my earning by 50% !!! and I KNOW I can do better! Thanks all!
jennsweet
03-24-2010, 09:19 PM
Great ideas! ty:)
XAnastasiaX
04-05-2010, 05:38 PM
If it is a couple walk up and compliment the both of them by saying " You brought your own beautiful girl!" This allows you to gauge what type of clients/couple they are and it opens up the conversation from a positive point of view. Also ALWAYS ask the lady if you can sit down " You wouldn't mind if I joined would you? (nod) then when you sit down look at the guy and say " So who's the lucky man?" If they are a male dominant couple still focus your attention on the lady but say something clever to him when you close if the woman dominates the sale reverse this. Couples are in the club to get dances approach them first often you will be the only girl who does and this helps your sale a ton!
Also look for the people with open body language. You want someone who looks like he or she WANTS to spend time with YOU! Remember it's not how many people are in the place it's how many are there to see YOU regulars are always what you want to aim for.
If you haven't done so already study body language books/ videos they helped me ALOT at work. When you understand your work you really can take it to the next level. Not every guy is just there to have tits in his face so figure out his needs and then SELL him on it.
Good luck girls
XOXO
luscious sadie
04-26-2010, 10:27 AM
what do you say when a guy says "you probably say that to everyone!"
last night I said something along the lines of "I wouldn't have said that I love the hat if you were wearing a Red Socks, Mets or Cubs hat!"
Other times I've said "I'm saying it to you right here right now, baby and who cares what I say to other people!"
saphire123456
04-26-2010, 12:45 PM
i say "come on baby, have you seen the other guys out there?:O"
that seems to go over well
london
04-27-2010, 05:06 PM
Customer: You probably say that to everyone!
Me: Probably! *But right now it's all about you!
I'm the queen of cliches and corniness, but the fact that you're not trying to convince them otherwise usually results in the guy being satisfied that he is 'oh so smart' and he'll usually get a dance anyways, or at least waste less of your time by then saying 'maybe later' or turning you down.
*Sometimes I omit the 'all about you' statement in order to keep things short and progressing towards heading to the lap dance area, and not derailing towards any unnecessary ego. boosting.
justa_grrl
01-15-2011, 09:39 AM
My favorite line is : "You DONT Want to STOP now do you??" They hear the enunciation on "don't stop" and they naturally want to tell you know, but in this case NO means YES! Always get's a second dance. Then at the end of the second dance, dance like 2-3 seconds into the next song and then say "keep going??" while nodding your head and looking at them. Works 75% of the time. For getting the fourth song say " I don't want to stop, I'm having so much fun, aren't you?? " idk. that's what I do. with a good customer I can easily get 4 in a row using these lines.
and that, my dear, is NLP--Neuro-Linguistic Programming. I'm impressed.
melb_oz_n00b
01-18-2011, 03:01 AM
It's really cheesy, but if a custy tells me his name for the first time, I ask, 'Is that your real name or your stage name?' Always gets a laugh, and I find they're less likely to bother me about my real name after that. It looks like I don't take myself or my job too seriously, and that I'm happy to poke fun at myself.
JaneysGun
01-31-2011, 01:28 PM
Thanks for all the great advice!! I'm new to dancing and new to the forums and I decided to give some of your advice a try. I need to work on making my pick-up lines sound NATURAL and sweet, so I don't come across too pushy or aggressive...
Some of the guys got a little nervous and refused when I used the "would you like me to rub myself all over you" line, but I found when I was really sweet and flirty, ALL the guys responded well!
There were guys who said "maybe later" or "not right now" so I made a mental note to remember their names and COME BACK LATER! Then I hugged them like we were old friends- they totally loved this- and said "so are you ready for that private dance?" (this only had a 50% success rate, I need to remember to stop phrasing it as a question and just TELL THEM it's time for that dance. Being assertive is something I really have to work on...)
All in all, I had a MUCH better night than usual! Thanks so much! I'm going to keep reading and practicing!
kaiarose
02-25-2011, 11:40 AM
I like the hugging approach when you return... Instead of asking for the dance say, "Alright let's go for that dance now!" Then grab their hand and hopefully they will get up and follow you. I've never tried this but I'm going to tonight!!
trishaxxxo
05-27-2011, 03:51 PM
One of the things that I can't stand about the "maybe later" is that when you go up to them 3 times (my boss says after 3 stop trying), & they keep saying they're not ready, but then you walk away & later see them going into vip with another dancer. It makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong or that i'm terribly ugly. :( I need to learn some game because the "maybe laters" never work out for me.
part of your problem is that you are accepting "maybe" later....whenever guys say "maybe later" or "maybe next time" I lean over, get a little touchy/boobs in the face with a BIG SMILE and say "I don't take MAYBE for an answer!" This type of guy NEVER says "No" because the "maybe" is already a result of shyness or not wanting to hurt your feelings with an outright "no"...
They either laugh and say "OK YES later" right away, or if they hesitate I start nodding my head and saying "yesss, see its so much easier to say YES huh!" until they nod with me and laugh. This works 75% of the time when I check back in with them, I go back over and say "Hey it's time for our fun! Remember you already said YES! *giggle*" and take them by the hand to lead them to the lap dance area. ALSO some of the time they go for the dance right away, the later becomes NOW! I developed this after taking the Strip and Grow Rich "dont take no for an answer" mantra to heart....and it has REALLY increased my sales ;)
HH_NOLa
06-03-2011, 03:41 PM
I subscribe to Psychology Today. What's on the outside is amazing but not always enough. To make the most of our jobs, even now, we should study the way our minds work and how it differs from men. The articles within this magazine are an insightful tool for our profession. It helps me immensely. I do not hustle. And I'm still considered a top earner for every club that I have a contract.[/FONT]
pollywogg
07-07-2011, 10:32 PM
Keeping that fun attitude is so important. It helps me to have lines ready to go. I use quick conversational comments in response to something they say ... I have used this line for years and it works very well ... if a guy tells me his name is Jim, i say "Oh, that's one of my favorite names: that's the name of the guy who gave me my first orgasm." ... and it is true too, so if he ever came in again after a while and asked me the name of the guy who gave me my first orgasm, I'd immediately be able to tell them without blinking and sometimes I'd offer this challenge to get them to come in again ... and it works.
The appearance of being in demand is huge too, very strange, but true.
missfionna
07-24-2011, 06:54 PM
I really love the idea of the 'free dance' in exchange for cr. that could work out really well at my club. in my club our job is to sell $25 cocktails(which we keep half of) and cr's. we also have private dances for 20. best part is, we get to keep all of our dances as long as we also sell the club's drinks. for every 1 cocktail we sell, we are allowed 2 dances with no cut going to the club. cr's also count towards cocktail sales. so, technically i have nothing to lose with this hustle!
missfionna
07-24-2011, 07:14 PM
Remembering names is also a very good tip. i used to be great at remembering names when i danced before, and it really paid off. nowdays since having my twin boys in their terrible 2's im not as good at remembering names, but rather little details. a group of 5 guys came in the other night i sat with about 3 wks earlier, and i couldnt remember any of their names. but i did remember one did karate, one liked a particular song, one used to be a repo man, etc. so i made up little nicknames until heard their names again. anyway, so to help myself out ive started a little notebook with peoples names and a few key or stand outish details to help out. anyone who bought a few drinks, dances, or cr's go in it.
Flickdreams
07-28-2011, 03:11 AM
I subscribe to Psychology Today. ...The articles within this magazine are an insightful tool for our profession. It helps me immensely. I do not hustle. And I'm still considered a top earner for every club that I have a contract.[/font]
Most of the girls and custies have at one time or another compared me to a Psychologist, I'm keen to have a look at this- and I believe we can claim magazine subscriptions which are work related as part of our tax return.
TheEminator
08-06-2011, 08:53 PM
Wow, a gf of mine told me about SW and I'm so glad she did! I am leaving early Wednesday morning for my first feature show and I'm so nervous because it has been quite a while since I've danced, I've mostly been shooting. These tips are amazing Chrissy, thank you so much for sharing! I've gotta step up my rusty stripper game! ;)
Swagz
09-02-2011, 10:04 AM
People really appreciate you taking the time out to speak their language or when you know a bit about their culture. Also if someone comes from a country I know little about, I wikipedia it, and then am armed with a few facts about their country for the next time around. They are so impressed when I do that! I think it's interesting to learn about other cultures anyway. Hope this helps :)
I get sooo many dances from Indian guys just knowing where Kerala/Bangalore/the Himalyas are, and tons more dropping badly accented phrases to Hong Kong Chinese and Mexican customers :-*
also I know how to say "you have a big dickhead" in Vietnamese. good for laughs! Sometimes the stereotypically cheap custies can be the best ones
On the same topic, learning a few quirky science/math jokes will keep you in good favor with engineers. Those smart, awkward, goofy, WEALTHY engineers (my favorite!)
kitinboots
09-02-2011, 10:32 AM
Most of the girls and custies have at one time or another compared me to a Psychologist, I'm keen to have a look at this- and I believe we can claim magazine subscriptions which are work related as part of our tax return.
One of the girls at work has a degree in psychology. She hasn't been dancing long (about 8 months I think) and she's not the greatest dancer in the club (although far from the worst) but she makes a fortune! Provided the customer has money, she can get them and keep them all night, where others might only get a dance or two.
XAnastasiaX
09-02-2011, 11:50 AM
I'm a penile engineer I design erections. LOL geeky guys love that one. Also if you standout it will make you money. Be different!!
Emanuelle
10-18-2011, 08:27 AM
Yes!! I did this the other night and it worked like a charm. I would never discount my VIP price, but I'll eat the one free lapdance in order to get an hour in VIP. Great tips, thanks for posting!!!!
you missed my point as well. bargain with a FREE lap dance. it's a transitioning thing. do NOT, i reapeat do NOT, take any money off of VIP price. the bargain is the free $20 lap dance. "if you want to be back there instead, i wont charge you for this dance" type of thing. you're eating $20 to make 200 or 150 out of that 300, right? so that seems worth it!
I've done both. I'd never offer to give a free dance upfront, but if they like the dance & feel a little afraid of the price of the room I'd say if it makes them feel better I won't charge them for the dance I just did. And when I worked in Vegas and we set our own prices for VIP rooms but they had to be at least $500/hr. I usually liked to charge $700 if I could get away with it, but there were times it was SO slow I was afraid I'd make nothing so I'd kind of bargain without actually bargaining. I'd say the VIP room is $700/hr but IF you pay for 2 hours upfront I'll do the second hour for $300. That's less than half price to them so they felt like I was really giving them an unbeatable deal, but I still got the $500/hr I was expected to charge. Of course these were both things I did at the beginning of my career. Now that I've been doing this long enough to see how much money goes through these places I feel comfortable letting the customer get used to the idea that I'm expecting him to spend & tip well.
smeca
04-01-2012, 07:09 AM
Thought I'd share something that's been working for me with regards to selling a couple of dances up front. Depends on the club and customers but ours has £10 topless, 20 nude, and VIP.
I get them over to the dance area, if they don't go for VIP and just want a £20 one, I then say 'we can go for twice as long for 30' which sounds like a deal to them (I will just be doing a topless song then nude song.) When they're reaching in their wallet for 30 I jump in again with 'ooor we can go for the whole naughty forty! ;)' (just 2 nude, but sounds like it might be even longer/sexier). Being as they mostly have 20s in their wallet anyway and it's in their hand, they agree!
I may try offering a 3 for 50 'deal' but I'm not sure that would seem appealing to the guys in this club. I like this because it happens in 10 seconds, no room for indecision.
Timor
04-10-2012, 07:36 AM
When guys start asking me how much dances and stuff are, I've started telling them that my mama raised me saying that a lady doesn't talk about money if possible- but I'm more than happy to bring them to the back so they can see the price list for themselves :)
*boom* dances. This has had a pretty decent success rate for me.
ShayBaby
04-11-2012, 03:44 AM
Ok, so I feel like I waste a lot of time with conversation sometimes and miss out on getting to other custies that actually want a V.I.P before other girls do...does anyone have advice on how long it should take before asking for a dance. Should it just be intro, where r u from, so you wanna dance? Or more in depth conversation. Also, I'm in the habit of asking custies if I may join them first to save time on ones who don't want me but I'm starting to think maybe that's bad. Like it gives the impression of pandering or something. I don't know, any thoughts? Thanks!
kaiarose
04-11-2012, 12:38 PM
I say, always ask before sitting down. I approach from the front so I don't surprise them and plus I can give them a million dollar smile before I talk to them. 3 songs max to wait before asking them for a dance, IMO.
Marley13
05-21-2012, 10:16 AM
Wow great tips! I especially liked the VIP bargain idea. Thank you ladies!
ssstripper
08-09-2012, 12:37 PM
Who has helpful things for 2012-2013 year? Any new tricks anyone has discovered? Any new ways on hustlin?
RogueMonroe
08-11-2012, 02:54 AM
I just wanna say, I tried the "You DON'T want to STOP now, do you?" line, and it worked WONDERS. Absolutely brilliant.
renee39
01-21-2013, 11:01 AM
walking away from someone before you asked for a dance.... I have done the exact same thing before mainly because the guy was just being standoffish & It felt awkward or I just thought that they would say no. I am learning that alot of dancers feel the same way or thin the same that I do. Now If we all could just get along.
SexxiSunshine
02-04-2013, 12:44 PM
Thank you SO much for the great advice. I'm still new to stripping and couldn't make more than 800$. I had been really wanting to make 1g+ and last night I finally did it! I'm so proud of myself and extremely happy I decided to study the hustle hut threads, especially this thread. I walked into my club last night knowing I was the hottest, most popular, and beautiful girl there. I made guys feel like they *needed* to spend time with me/get to know me; not act like I need them to pay my bills lol.
The best part was when other guys started getting jealous because I was spending time with other guys and not them. (They all wanted to be with the life of the party "popular" girl.)
I was able to use that to my advantage when talking with custies. Example, "Look at how jealous all these guys are that you have the attention of the most beautiful, popular girl in the room. Let's go upstairs and make them have something to really be jealous about heehee."
Worked like a charm.
Thanks again for all the great tips. :)
simone87
04-14-2013, 09:59 AM
so i tried the tricks on prolonging dances and it worked like a charm! but when i say things like " so want to come play with me out back/ com have fun with me/ you're ready for your dance now aren't you?/ ok enough talk you want a dance now/" it fails EVERY time. if i say things like " could i give you a dance?" while i twirl my hair and give big doe eyes it works..maybe its because i live in mass and the guys there don't want to feel hustled or something? but i've been trying those lines for 3 weeks and they have 100% fail rate with me..but if i ask nicely they'll say yes. very odd, because i liked those tips and thought they were genius! i just work with some very strange guys i guesss :/
Ok, so I feel like I waste a lot of time with conversation sometimes and miss out on getting to other custies that actually want a V.I.P before other girls do...does anyone have advice on how long it should take before asking for a dance. Should it just be intro, where r u from, so you wanna dance? Or more in depth conversation. Also, I'm in the habit of asking custies if I may join them first to save time on ones who don't want me but I'm starting to think maybe that's bad. Like it gives the impression of pandering or something. I don't know, any thoughts? Thanks!
I think it looks a bit unconfident to ask if they want company. I just sit down next to um and start talking, I think of it as "assuming the sale". When I assume they want me I usually do better and in sales they teach you to always assume the sale. kinda goes w that.
Ok, so I feel like I waste a lot of time with conversation sometimes and miss out on getting to other custies that actually want a V.I.P before other girls do...does anyone have advice on how long it should take before asking for a dance. Should it just be intro, where r u from, so you wanna dance? Or more in depth conversation. Also, I'm in the habit of asking custies if I may join them first to save time on ones who don't want me but I'm starting to think maybe that's bad. Like it gives the impression of pandering or something. I don't know, any thoughts? Thanks!
I think it looks a bit unconfident to ask if they want company. I just sit down next to um and start talking, I think of it as "assuming the sale". When I assume they want me I usually do better and in sales they teach you to always assume the sale. kinda goes w that.