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Yekhefah
04-04-2007, 03:30 PM
^^^ What's "ignorant" about it? They BOTH fucked up. I don't see anyone here saying he shouldn't be deported or that he is blameless. But she fucked up too, and she did not live up to her end of the bargain. The money is his, not hers, and keeping it is just as bad as laughing about fucking people over this way. As Morrigan pointed out, a LOT of people have the potential to suffer for what they did, and a good person would not keep this money.

Katrine
04-04-2007, 05:37 PM
Sad thing is, given the situation in Uzbekistan, he probably could have sought out political asylum and stayed here legally. What a shame, that country has such a rich history.

I'm over this though. Mistakes were made.

AlexxaHex
04-04-2007, 06:18 PM
Djoser, I totally respect your opinion and always have, but I don't agree that being from Daytona is an excuse for her behavior. It may explain part of why she is the way she is, but it doesn't make what she did any less illegal. You can have integrity and come from anywhere in the world. I know many people in poverty-style housing that still manage to keep their homes clean.

Also I found it odd that she was saying she needed to hide their mutual assets quickly before he could get to them.

I don't think she should be giving back every cent he gave her though. He essentially paid her for a service. Even though it was illegal, that is what they agreed upon. He wasn't a victim of theft as he willingly gave it to her. Maybe my morals are different from almost everybody else here (and I am sure they are on many levels), but I think she should only give back what is HIS. Sell the car and give him the cash as well as his portion of what was in the joint bank account. That would be fair, IMO.

Dottie Rebel
04-04-2007, 06:25 PM
^^^I'm with this. I don't think she needs to give it all back like he's some kind of charity case. I think a compromise is in order.

Picaresque
04-04-2007, 07:27 PM
I'm curious about where this individual came from. What she wrote looks like a mangled version of Uzbekistan. Maybe?

This whole thing sounds like a TROLL.

Lysondra
04-04-2007, 09:18 PM
I'm with morrigan; I can judge you too - i'm an australian married to an american living in the US and dealing with immigration - i hope you get all that you deserve.
You have no idea how hard it is for people who are genuinely in love and want to spend their lives together to be treated by immigration because of people like you.

Yay, you're mad for the same reasons I am! :)

ExtacyInDaytona
04-04-2007, 09:22 PM
This is bs! Keeping the money does not make you a bad person and you both should face whatever consequenses come your way. However, you should not feel bad that he can not make whatever money in his country , those are the cards he was dealt and he took a risk to make his life better. It didn't work, end of story. I am sooo sick of people on here defending him, does anyone not understand his fault in this? Being young is most definately a reason this girl is in this mess. I don't think she finds it funny at all, but it has most likely been and will be a huge source of stress for her. I don't feel sorry for her, but for all of you who say she needs to consider what type of person she is settling on being if she keeps the money, that is just ignorant.

FINALLY some one with some freekien common sence!! She couldnt have worded this better!

ExtacyInDaytona
04-04-2007, 09:29 PM
Also I found it odd that she was saying she needed to hide their mutual assets quickly before he could get to them.

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He is selling his car before he leaves really i was just rambling trying to make light as DJoser stated out of a truly catostrophic situation! The joint bank account is MY bank account it just has his name on it for the interview so we had another joint document just like im on HIS car I have the name of I plan to remove his name so that the government does not concider it his and start taking my flippin pay checks that are direct deposited being anything he leaves will be taken i told him put it in a friend or familys account and deal with getting it later! who knows if he will listed or not.

ExtacyInDaytona
04-04-2007, 09:31 PM
What she wrote looks like a mangled version of Uzbekistan. Maybe?

This whole thing sounds like a TROLL.

Of course the classic TROLL lmao i have been a member of this sight for about 2-3 years now not sure exactly as I usually read and dont post. Now I know why!!!!

ExtacyInDaytona
04-04-2007, 09:32 PM
^^^ What's "ignorant" about it? They BOTH fucked up. I don't see anyone here saying he shouldn't be deported or that he is blameless. But she fucked up too, and she did not live up to her end of the bargain. The money is his, not hers, and keeping it is just as bad as laughing about fucking people over this way. As Morrigan pointed out, a LOT of people have the potential to suffer for what they did, and a good person would not keep this money.


READ THE WHOLE THREAD INCLUDING MY DEFENCES HERE BEFORE POSTING THE SAME CRAP THAT HAS BEEN REPEATED AND EXPLAINED COUNTLESS TIMES!!!!

Djoser
04-04-2007, 10:01 PM
Djoser, I totally respect your opinion and always have, but I don't agree that being from Daytona is an excuse for her behavior. It may explain part of why she is the way she is, but it doesn't make what she did any less illegal. You can have integrity and come from anywhere in the world. I know many people in poverty-style housing that still manage to keep their homes clean.

Also I found it odd that she was saying she needed to hide their mutual assets quickly before he could get to them.

I don't think she should be giving back every cent he gave her though. He essentially paid her for a service. Even though it was illegal, that is what they agreed upon. He wasn't a victim of theft as he willingly gave it to her. Maybe my morals are different from almost everybody else here (and I am sure they are on many levels), but I think she should only give back what is HIS. Sell the car and give him the cash as well as his portion of what was in the joint bank account. That would be fair, IMO.

Well I may have given the wrong impression--I was referring to the con artists and users who are drawn to the town, not Extacy. The woman who arranged the marriage being the chief culprit in my mind.

And what Extacy was saying was that the government would come take the assets if they weren't hidden, not the guy.

But I have said more than enough, I'm out of this. I was just trying to let you know that Extacy isn't as bad a person as some of you think she is, and that her main purpose was to warn other people away from making a similar mistake, whatever the motivation.

AlexxaHex
04-04-2007, 10:16 PM
He is selling his car before he leaves really i was just rambling trying to make light as DJoser stated out of a truly catostrophic situation! The joint bank account is MY bank account it just has his name on it for the interview so we had another joint document just like im on HIS car I have the name of I plan to remove his name so that the government does not concider it his and start taking my flippin pay checks that are direct deposited being anything he leaves will be taken i told him put it in a friend or familys account and deal with getting it later! who knows if he will listed or not.

I went back and read what you wrote - I guess I misunderstood and thought that both of you were keeping your money in one place. That is the usual purpose of a joint bank account.
Was he making payments on the car or was it fully paid for? I hope he can sell it in time before he leaves. Does he get deported right away or does he have time to take care of things here for a while? I'm not quite sure of how the immigration system deals with liars.

Lysondra
04-04-2007, 10:17 PM
I went back and read what you wrote - I guess I misunderstood and thought that both of you were keeping your money in one place. That is the usual purpose of a joint bank account.
Was he making payments on the car or was it fully paid for? I hope he can sell it in time before he leaves. Does he get deported right away or does he have time to take care of things here for a while? I'm not quite sure of how the immigration system deals with liars.

You get 28 days.

ExtacyInDaytona
04-04-2007, 10:49 PM
I went back and read what you wrote - I guess I misunderstood and thought that both of you were keeping your money in one place. That is the usual purpose of a joint bank account.
Was he making payments on the car or was it fully paid for? I hope he can sell it in time before he leaves. Does he get deported right away or does he have time to take care of things here for a while? I'm not quite sure of how the immigration system deals with liars.

Car is paid for he has time but im not sure how much i imagine if they wanted him really bad they would have arrested him than and there but didnt I have no idea but hes wrapping up his stay here and trying to find an attorney to see if theirs anyother legal options left for him but i dont think there is sadly hes holding on to a glimmer or hope but i cant really blame him there is just nothing more I can do i tryed

aussiepunkshocker
04-04-2007, 11:26 PM
Well one thing about this thread - I learnt some interesting things about Uzbekistan. I went and looked some stuff up cos I really didnt know much before.

I dont know if anyone else cares, but Im horrified to learn that school children there have to work in cotton fields throughout their school summer holidays, sometimes months longer. For 3 months labour they might make the equivilent of $4USD.

Also the average monthly wage is just $50USD.



When the school summer holidays begin, Shamsiddin will get up at 4am and work the fields with his bare hands until dusk. His hands will bleed from tugging at the cotton plants, his back will ache, and he will be inhaling the fertilisers and pesticides that locals say kill even rats.

As last year, this will be his daily routine until October brings the harvest to a close - or until the snows fall in December, if he does not meet the state production target. Over three months he will probably earn 3,000 local soums - £2. Shamsiddin is enslaved on the bottom rung of Uzbekistan's multi-billion-dollar cotton industry - whose produce ends up on finely woven and dyed garments in Britain's high streets. He is 11 years old.

Snip.

sc0101
04-04-2007, 11:31 PM
Well one thing about this thread - I learnt some interesting things about Uzbekistan. I went and looked some stuff up cos I really didnt know much before.

I dont know if anyone else cares, but Im horrified to learn that school children there have to work in cotton fields throughout their school summer holidays, sometimes months longer. For 3 months labour they might make the equivilent of $4.

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/5-17-2003-40508.asp

When the school summer holidays begin, Shamsiddin will get up at 4am and work the fields with his bare hands until dusk. His hands will bleed from tugging at the cotton plants, his back will ache, and he will be inhaling the fertilisers and pesticides that locals say kill even rats.

As last year, this will be his daily routine until October brings the harvest to a close - or until the snows fall in December, if he does not meet the state production target. Over three months he will probably earn 3,000 local soums - £2. Shamsiddin is enslaved on the bottom rung of Uzbekistan's multi-billion-dollar cotton industry - whose produce ends up on finely woven and dyed garments in Britain's high streets. He is 11 years old.

Snip.


OMG that made me fucking sad. That's horrible. And to think this is going on everyday all over the world, not just there.

Lexi
04-05-2007, 08:23 AM
This guy was desperate to get himself and his family in because of a horrible life in his country. Whether it is legal or not, many of you have no idea what is feels to be that desperate.

My family is from Cuba and 12 of them tried to come to the US (Yes, on a boat). 11 died on the way here. My grandfather was here for 3 years before he got my grandmother and my mother out of Cuba. No one knows unless they have been in it, or know enough stories of the horrors of living in a country where your "freedom" is limited!

Lexi
04-05-2007, 08:29 AM
Well one thing about this thread - I learnt some interesting things about Uzbekistan. I went and looked some stuff up cos I really didnt know much before.

I dont know if anyone else cares, but Im horrified to learn that school children there have to work in cotton fields throughout their school summer holidays, sometimes months longer. For 3 months labour they might make the equivilent of $4USD.

Also the average monthly wage is just $50USD.

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/5-17-2003-40508.asp

When the school summer holidays begin, Shamsiddin will get up at 4am and work the fields with his bare hands until dusk. His hands will bleed from tugging at the cotton plants, his back will ache, and he will be inhaling the fertilisers and pesticides that locals say kill even rats.

As last year, this will be his daily routine until October brings the harvest to a close - or until the snows fall in December, if he does not meet the state production target. Over three months he will probably earn 3,000 local soums - £2. Shamsiddin is enslaved on the bottom rung of Uzbekistan's multi-billion-dollar cotton industry - whose produce ends up on finely woven and dyed garments in Britain's high streets. He is 11 years old.

Snip.


Makes me sick. :-( Poor little guy.

But just playing devil's advocate here...
What if this guy (and his wife, kids) were in a situation like this? What if he had an 11 year old son who was working the fields, hence why he wanted out so bad?
Its confusing and sad at the same time. :(

aussiepunkshocker
04-05-2007, 08:58 AM
^^^ Well no one here knows what the mans situation was, but given the situation in Uzbekistan I can imagine that alot of people would do anything to get out.
I can understand people being against illigal immagration but I cant understand why more people dont understand how desperate some people are or the situations theyre coming from, or what people go through to get out. I know that if I had to live in 3rd world conditions, I would be trying to get the fuck out too.
Lexi your story is so sad, I dont know what to say. I cant imagine what it must have been like for your grandfather to go through all of that!

LuckyOne
04-05-2007, 05:51 PM
I'm sorry to anyone who is offended by this post, but to those who can read it with an open mind, I hope you gain some insight...




First of all, THANK YOU EXTACY IN DAYTONA FOR POSTING ABOUT THIS EXPERIENCE!!! I have a wonderful friend who had been with his partner for several years, but he is gay. But the government doesn't recognize gay unions... and the clock on his visa is ticking. SO, I seriously considered marrying him but decided against it because I didn't know where I'd be 3 years from then, or what I'd be doing with my life. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Though I wish I could have helped him, now I'm glad I didn't.

Second, to everyone who has criticized your green card husband- WOW. Extacy didn't tell us- how do you think you know his situation??? If you had a wife and children you loved, would it be such a terrible thing to try to give them a better life in another country with excellent public education, health care, human rights and opportunities??? I certainly would have to have an awfully good reason to make so many sacrifices just to immigrate...
Me personally, I would do ANYTHING I need to do to take care of my family under certain circumstances. ANYTHING , Legal or not. I must be a bad person.

Third, as sad as it is he got caught, it was NOT Extacy's fault that they got caught. And even if it was, she did the best she could. She did what she was agreed to do, and she deserves to keep the money. BELIEVE ME- she has suffered for this. She's NOT laughing (lol) out of apathy. She's laughing because otherwise she'd be crying. Some of you have misinterpreted the meaning, and she might not have expressed herself clearly enough, but it was NOT intended to be cold-hearted... you misread her tone.



Lilith-- perhaps it is because this is such a sore subject for you, but I think you misinterpreted Extacy's post, jumped to conclusions, and reacted aggressively...
As a third person observer, trying to see all sides of the story, YOU are the one who is behaving like a cold-hearted bitch.
I'm sorry- I'm just calling it like I see it.

Dottie Rebel
04-05-2007, 05:58 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I think a system that requires you be married for "love" is seriously fucked up, anyway. Throughout history, how many people have married for love? Even now? How many people do you know who married for reasons other than love? And this is somehow the gold standard for whether or not your relationship is "legitimate?" That seems horribly...gah, I don't even know. Just messed up.

If you married for love then bully for you. If you married for financial or other reasons as folks traditionally have the overwhelming majority of history then...prison for you.

Dottie Rebel
04-05-2007, 06:34 PM
^^^My question is, why is a relationship based on "love" more defensible than a relationship based any other of a number of factors that bring people together?

The whole idea of marriage being this love bond between two people that affords those two people special benefits and rights is messed up to me. Who decides what love is anyway? And what does love have to do with it? And who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?

BrunetteGoddess
04-05-2007, 06:39 PM
I'm singing now Dottie.... :headbange :headbange

sun child
04-05-2007, 07:55 PM
Freaking awesome.

LilSweetVixen
04-05-2007, 07:55 PM
Uzbekistan might be a fairly developed country where the conditions aren't that bad. Bad for many sure but not some trash heap. That was the point of the movie Borat. :D

Lexi
04-05-2007, 07:59 PM
^^^ Well no one here knows what the mans situation was, but given the situation in Uzbekistan I can imagine that alot of people would do anything to get out.
I can understand people being against illigal immagration but I cant understand why more people dont understand how desperate some people are or the situations theyre coming from, or what people go through to get out. I know that if I had to live in 3rd world conditions, I would be trying to get the fuck out too.
Lexi your story is so sad, I dont know what to say. I cant imagine what it must have been like for your grandfather to go through all of that!


Exactly... I mean I am not one to just quickly defend (esp if I dont know the whole story) but I am sure the situation was not a good one if he was that desperate. I can also see the issues with illegal immigration, but when people try to flee their country, legal or not, they are going to do whatever it takes. :( Its so sad.

About my gramps: thanks AussiePR. :) :hug:

Lola Rose
04-05-2007, 10:18 PM
Frankly, I hope you DO get your 5 years.

Lola Rose
04-05-2007, 10:24 PM
^^^My question is, why is a relationship based on "love" more defensible than a relationship based any other of a number of factors that bring people together?

The whole idea of marriage being this love bond between two people that affords those two people special benefits and rights is messed up to me. Who decides what love is anyway? And what does love have to do with it? And who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?

I sort of agree with this. My parents were not in love, they had an arranged marriage. 20 years later they're very happy, and have grown to love eachother, but may not neccessarily be in love.

ExtacyInDaytona
04-05-2007, 10:38 PM
Frankly, I hope you DO get your 5 years.

Frankly its really shitty to wish bad things apon people and creates bad karma!

And so you all know in your discussion of desperation no he was not living in horrible conditions he only came to America for a VACATION I with my "cush american life" don't even take vacations out of town

so he wasnt THAT poor if even poor at all his kids are in school and freekin karate classes n shit no working the fields as someone stated a few posts back

He states that if he never came here he would have been fine but fell in love with this country because of the freedom not even so much the lack of money he had.

Kaylinn
04-05-2007, 10:40 PM
I dont understand....if he wasn't in a desperate situation, he had plenty of money, and obviously had time...why didnt he just do it the legal way?

Laylas
04-05-2007, 10:42 PM
^^ ^^
I was wondering the same thing...

Lola Rose
04-05-2007, 10:43 PM
Frankly its really shitty to wish bad things apon people and creates bad karma!


No, it's realistic. I think people who commit awful crimes with vast reprecussions with out a 2nd thought need a reality check. You are a selfish child! Act your age, be responsible!

I do many good things, like donate my time and money, Give people rides or make them soup when they're sick. Overall I'm a good person, and my karma meatre is just fine, thanks ::)

ExtacyInDaytona
04-05-2007, 10:48 PM
And so is mine but you dont know the first thing about me So you wouldnt know that

And i didnt have second thoughts no i have freekin 10th and 15th thoughts for FUCK SAKE I stuck with it because I didnt want to divorce the guy 1 year into it when he already had spent that time and money towards his attempt to get his green card

virgoamm
04-05-2007, 11:42 PM
Man, some of you guys are just being so fucking harsh I feel I have to say something here. Yeah, what she did was illegal. And let me ask each and every one of you-are you all saints?? Can you honestly say that you've never broken a law in your life, regardless of whether or not you were caught?

Everyone seems to be focusing on the idea that she didn't live up to her end of the bargain, and therefore fucked up this guy's hope for a better life in the U.S. And where, in her posts, did she do this? She was married to this guy for what-three years? That a lot of time to commit to something like that. INS apparently had knowledge of the woman who sent him here for having a history of setting up fraudulent marriages.

It seems to me, like the OP said, that it was doomed from the beginning for that reason alone. Not to mention the fact that they were separated and gave conflicting answers to questions they were asked-Umm, so isn't he at fault for blowing the interview as well?

Okay, so you have a guy from a poor country that is trying to get out and provide a better life for his family, and then you have Ecstasy, who was willing to help him out and did so for THREE YEARS. Not everyone is willing to take those risks.

That being said, I'm not saying that I agree at all with either coming into a country illegally or helping someone do so by having a sham marriage. Ideally, you should go through the proper channels and do it legally. At the same time, I think some of our immigration laws are ridiculous and I have empathy for people who come from poor countries and just want nothing more than to provide a better life for themselves and their families.

She was having a hard time financially and needed money. He was trying to move to the U.S. to establish a better life. They both needed each other and used each other to get what they needed. Is that such a horrible, evil thing?

He is as much at fault for this entire situation as she is. I don't think she's a bad person anymore than I think he is a bad person. Even though she married him primarily because she needed money, how do you not know that the reason she continued to do it was because she truly wanted to help him??

Yeah, she cracked under pressure. She was scared. INS knew what was going on. But fuck, you guys, she's human-give her a break.

Chrissy68
04-06-2007, 02:53 AM
Uzbekistan might be a fairly developed country where the conditions aren't that bad. Bad for many sure but not some trash heap. That was the point of the movie Borat. :D

actually.. that was khazakstan and i do not believe Borat or Sacha Cohen has ever claimed to have had an underlying theme about underdeveloped countries. it was pure comedy. i could be wrong but i've read an awful lot of SC's interviews and i dont recall anything about that. just sayin.

Lysondra
04-06-2007, 04:05 AM
of course this subject will make me a bitch... I'm being forced to get married to prove a feeling most people can't define while getting scrutinized over every aspect of my life... And none of that would matter if people like this didn't ruin it for me and make it that much harder. I stand by my opinion, immigration is hard.. I don't need wankers making it harder.

scarlett_vancouver
04-06-2007, 08:11 AM
This is bs! Keeping the money does not make you a bad person and you both should face whatever consequenses come your way. However, you should not feel bad that he can not make whatever money in his country , those are the cards he was dealt and he took a risk to make his life better. It didn't work, end of story. I am sooo sick of people on here defending him, does anyone not understand his fault in this? Being young is most definately a reason this girl is in this mess. I don't think she finds it funny at all, but it has most likely been and will be a huge source of stress for her. I don't feel sorry for her, but for all of you who say she needs to consider what type of person she is settling on being if she keeps the money, that is just ignorant.

Regarding the bolded statement, it makes me sad that people think they can wash their hands of a situation based on that thought.

But anyways. I'm not saying he's blameless, but I'm not talking to him. I'm talking to Extacy.

In order for HER to make things right, I believe she should NOT benefit from the situation. She made a mistake, and I believe she can fix it- morally, ethically, cosmically, whatever- by not benefiting from others' hardships. Giving the money to him is one option...to charity, to the government, I don't care. That's another topic. I'm just saying that for her own moral well-being, she shouldn't keep the money.

We can agree to disagree, but don't call me ignorant.

Dottie Rebel
04-06-2007, 01:31 PM
^^^Hear, hear. That's all I was saying. I didn't attack her ONE BIT in my post to her on this thread. In fact, if anythingm, my advice was meant to save her from overwhelming regret in the future. She should give back the money for HERSELF.

Hatshepsut
04-06-2007, 01:53 PM
Man, some of you guys are just being so fucking harsh I feel I have to say something here. Yeah, what she did was illegal. And let me ask each and every one of you-are you all saints?? Can you honestly say that you've never broken a law in your life, regardless of whether or not you were caught?

Everyone seems to be focusing on the idea that she didn't live up to her end of the bargain, and therefore fucked up this guy's hope for a better life in the U.S. And where, in her posts, did she do this? She was married to this guy for what-three years? That a lot of time to commit to something like that. INS apparently had knowledge of the woman who sent him here for having a history of setting up fraudulent marriages.

It seems to me, like the OP said, that it was doomed from the beginning for that reason alone. Not to mention the fact that they were separated and gave conflicting answers to questions they were asked-Umm, so isn't he at fault for blowing the interview as well?

Okay, so you have a guy from a poor country that is trying to get out and provide a better life for his family, and then you have Ecstasy, who was willing to help him out and did so for THREE YEARS. Not everyone is willing to take those risks.

That being said, I'm not saying that I agree at all with either coming into a country illegally or helping someone do so by having a sham marriage. Ideally, you should go through the proper channels and do it legally. At the same time, I think some of our immigration laws are ridiculous and I have empathy for people who come from poor countries and just want nothing more than to provide a better life for themselves and their families.

She was having a hard time financially and needed money. He was trying to move to the U.S. to establish a better life. They both needed each other and used each other to get what they needed. Is that such a horrible, evil thing?

He is as much at fault for this entire situation as she is. I don't think she's a bad person anymore than I think he is a bad person. Even though she married him primarily because she needed money, how do you not know that the reason she continued to do it was because she truly wanted to help him??

Yeah, she cracked under pressure. She was scared. INS knew what was going on. But fuck, you guys, she's human-give her a break.
Thank you. What was the anecdote? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?

LilSweetVixen
04-06-2007, 02:20 PM
actually.. that was khazakstan and i do not believe Borat or Sacha Cohen has ever claimed to have had an underlying theme about underdeveloped countries. it was pure comedy. i could be wrong but i've read an awful lot of SC's interviews and i dont recall anything about that. just sayin.

I know it was khazakstan. But the same can be said about Uzbekistan. And no it wasn't just comedy, it was a brilliant satire on American ignorance.

LilSweetVixen
04-06-2007, 02:30 PM
Extacy I think the way you acted in this situation is directly related to the way the guys treated you on the blue side and maybe in your SC. It turned your heart cold, although I somewhat I agree with you that he knew the drill.

Have you been able to lose the weight?:-[

Blade
04-06-2007, 02:42 PM
Untill you have delt with imigration and know how in depth things can get in a situation like this you have NO right to judge me!!!

It was just as much his fault it got denyed as mine weather i broke down or not there was no saving the interview after the questions were screwed up that we has not prepared for WE is the key word here.I have the right to judge you. I had a girlfriend who married someone so they could get a greencard and it destroyed us. I think anyone who would do something like that is lower than gutter slime. You show ZERO remorse for the life you ruined in your breakdown. You sit here and bitch that people are attacking you, shit they are being kind trust me on that one.
You broke the fucking law and I hope that you end up in fucking jail for it.
People like you make me absofuckinglutely sick.

scarlett_vancouver
04-06-2007, 02:43 PM
I know it was khazakstan. But the same can be said about Uzbekistan. And no it wasn't just comedy, it was a brilliant satire on American ignorance.

Kazakhstan...locate between Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and assholes Uzbekistan. :D

BalletBaby
04-06-2007, 03:04 PM
Man, some of you guys are just being so fucking harsh I feel I have to say something here. Yeah, what she did was illegal. And let me ask each and every one of you-are you all saints?? Can you honestly say that you've never broken a law in your life, regardless of whether or not you were caught?

Everyone seems to be focusing on the idea that she didn't live up to her end of the bargain, and therefore fucked up this guy's hope for a better life in the U.S. And where, in her posts, did she do this? She was married to this guy for what-three years? That a lot of time to commit to something like that. INS apparently had knowledge of the woman who sent him here for having a history of setting up fraudulent marriages.

It seems to me, like the OP said, that it was doomed from the beginning for that reason alone. Not to mention the fact that they were separated and gave conflicting answers to questions they were asked-Umm, so isn't he at fault for blowing the interview as well?

Okay, so you have a guy from a poor country that is trying to get out and provide a better life for his family, and then you have Ecstasy, who was willing to help him out and did so for THREE YEARS. Not everyone is willing to take those risks.

That being said, I'm not saying that I agree at all with either coming into a country illegally or helping someone do so by having a sham marriage. Ideally, you should go through the proper channels and do it legally. At the same time, I think some of our immigration laws are ridiculous and I have empathy for people who come from poor countries and just want nothing more than to provide a better life for themselves and their families.

She was having a hard time financially and needed money. He was trying to move to the U.S. to establish a better life. They both needed each other and used each other to get what they needed. Is that such a horrible, evil thing?

He is as much at fault for this entire situation as she is. I don't think she's a bad person anymore than I think he is a bad person. Even though she married him primarily because she needed money, how do you not know that the reason she continued to do it was because she truly wanted to help him??

Yeah, she cracked under pressure. She was scared. INS knew what was going on. But fuck, you guys, she's human-give her a break.

Well said.

Chrissy68
04-06-2007, 03:18 PM
I know it was khazakstan. But the same can be said about Uzbekistan. And no it wasn't just comedy, it was a brilliant satire on American ignorance.

i guess you are correct on that, about ignorance.

ExtacyInDaytona
04-06-2007, 04:46 PM
No actually and gained more and dont really care to much any more I have a loving man 2 beautiful children and have been working in a feild I very much enjoy I make a postive difference in people lives and in the world every day and the way my body looks doesnt matter! How many of you can say that? I never got treated badly by men an any club and could honestly give 2 shits about what men on the blue side said and if you read my responces to the posts in "honsetly to big to dance" you would see that it didnt bother me, I have always been a confident woman I only quit dancing because I found somthing better to do with my life and my income dancing only declined when I began working at a low class club when i worked at a much better club up the street at 180 pounds I STAYED in the top 5-10 girls nightly when they were running 25-30 girls a night despite my size and no before you get back on your high horse i did not do extras. But thats a whole new thread and your WAYY off topic here!:D



Extacy I think the way you acted in this situation is directly related to the way the guys treated you on the blue side and maybe in your SC. It turned your heart cold, although I somewhat I agree with you that he knew the drill.

Have you been able to lose the weight?:-[

Dottie Rebel
04-06-2007, 05:22 PM
Extacy I think the way you acted in this situation is directly related to the way the guys treated you on the blue side and maybe in your SC. It turned your heart cold, although I somewhat I agree with you that he knew the drill.

Have you been able to lose the weight?:-[

did you REALLY just throw in "oh, and by the way, you're fat!"?? How is this relevant to the topic at hand or serve to do anything but make you look really, really mean and petty?

ExtacyInDaytona
04-06-2007, 05:32 PM
did you REALLY just throw in "oh, and by the way, you're fat!"?? How is this relevant to the topic at hand or serve to do anything but make you look really, really mean and petty?

Just proved that ANYTHING she said through the whole thread in responce to the imigration issue and people trying to accuse me of being a moster was only to be spiteful and create conflict probably never truly cared about the topic at hand some people just thrive on DRAMA!!!!

BrunetteGoddess
04-06-2007, 05:39 PM
Well Extacy, if you are tired of people that thrive on drama, then why not just stop replying to it yourself? People get bored eventually and the thread disappears.

sleepyboy
04-06-2007, 05:46 PM
OMG. This thread is comedy. How is it this girl's fault? She didn't ruin this man's life at all. Apparently they were onto the lady that put together the marriage for green card scam already. She did this man a favor and was paid for her services.

Telling her he she is a bad person is F'n ridiculous. How do you feel when people make you feel like shit for your life decisions? I.E. being a dancer? I'm sure some of you have experienced that. Maybe it was a mistake, but who the fuck are you to judge? The original post was one of sadness and frustration. Why bash on her? She turned to an anonymous forum to vent, then she gets bashed on.

Fuck the haters... don't even respond to them girl.