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FBR
04-13-2007, 08:04 PM
You have nice legs, Ev...well, I don't know that for sure but I have a mental picture of them. And I bet at least one of them wouldn't mind a little tug ;)

FBR

Idiot's Ink
04-14-2007, 02:57 AM
Now, let's say that I take your advice that anything is better than nothing, and for the first hour I actively labour (entertain a customer) and I get $10 in exchange (say at the end of the hour he buy a zero contact dance).
The $10 dollars an hour was your number, not mine, and I would never expect anyone to waste their time for 1/10 of their hourly average. So, of course you're not going to sit there and chat up some guy for 55 minutes to get one dance out of him. You spend 5 minutes with him and if he hasn't taken the bait you move on and you keep the other 55 minutes to yourself. I intentionally set the number at 35-40% of the average because while it's not great it's not completely insignificant either.


Now, for our hypothesis neither of these customers is just a "sales" job. They are both regulars who know me, and who actively and specifically want to spend time with me socializing, and from whom I have a rough idea of what remuneration I can expect. Is this a sensible way for me to act?
Is it sensible? How should I know. There are a ridiculous number of variables that would have to be taken into account: how much you like your job (do you like a lot of attention), how much you need the money (if you have 6 figures in the bank there's not a lot of incentive to bust your butt), the rules of the club (are you allowed to do whatever you want or do you have to spend all your time with the customers) and the big one being your own personality. If you're an introvert and, assuming that you're not really hard up for cash and the club allows it, you might rather hide out in the back reading Camille Paglia or Ayn Rand or whatever it is you find interesting. On the other hand if you're an extrovert you may not have any problem chatting with someone for an hour even if the money's not up to your standards.


ETA - by the way, as it happens one of my hobbies is designing and building miniature suspension bridges on my back porch (then I like to put my little doggie in goggles and a scarf, place her in a little car and zoom her back and forth across it - but that is neither here nor there). I'm sure we could work something out on the bridge front.
The sad thing is that considering some of the things I've come across on the internet I'm this close to believing you. I have no doubt that the youtube video would win one of those cuteness awards and get a million hits.

Jenny
04-14-2007, 07:37 AM
I intentionally set the number at 35-40% of the average because while it's not great it's not completely insignificant either.
See - there you go. You and I have different ideas on what constitutes "significant" in this context. I do think that it is PRETTY insignificant.


Is it sensible? How should I know. There are a ridiculous number of variables that would have to be taken into account:
Well - yes; but on the most basic "it's more than I would have had otherwise" analysis that you were working with heretofore - sensible way of allocating my labour?


If you're an introvert and, assuming that you're not really hard up for cash and the club allows it, you might rather hide out in the back reading Camille Paglia or Ayn Rand or whatever it is you find interesting. On the other hand if you're an extrovert you may not have any problem chatting with someone for an hour even if the money's not up to your standards.
No - this has nothing to do with being extroverted or introverted. That is assuming that my primary interest is social, which is not the case.


The sad thing is that considering some of the things I've come across on the internet I'm this close to believing you. I have no doubt that the youtube video would win one of those cuteness awards and get a million hits.
This is a sad thing? Come on. You are underestimating the power of cute.
www.cuteoverload.com. In 20 minutes you will have cavities; but your outlook on the universe will completely change.

Phil-W
04-14-2007, 06:21 PM
there's nothing to debate. well, except determining what behavior is more retarded: (a) customers who liken the experience of a whorehouse to a date. Or, (b) customers who go sc to engage in degenerate lechery and yet seem self-conscious or embarrassed by said sicko needs.

Sadly, the OP seems to have run for cover and didn't come downstairs to stick up for his POV. Pity - I thought he might find it an educational experience.

(I always did rather admire the way you told one such unfortunate he was a first stage larval PL who should stay in the shallow end of SCJ until he knew what he was talking about).

Phil.

datchapin
04-14-2007, 09:30 PM
What would you guys do if you were in my shoes?

FBR

Good question. Totally depends on what size shoes you wear. I mean I really can't do much if I'm writhing in pain because my feet have been crammed in shoes 3 sizes to small for me. Then again if they're three sizes to big I'd be laughing my ass off at the spectacle I'd be making of myself. However if they were anywhere near comfortable, I'd lean back and say something like. Do what feel's like it should be done.

datchapin
04-14-2007, 10:14 PM
I guess I can see somewhat the OP's point of view. Sort of, I mean putting out numbers like he did and failing to paint an accurate picture it just sounds like rambling, but an argument could be made.

Let's see down here in Houston I think it all depends. I mean if the person doesn't know any better than yeah it's still stupid. I mean don't get it wrong, just how it is down here. You go to some clubs here where a private dance gives you the same level of privacy as the VIP, minus the expense of champagne. I guess it all depends on what they're looking for, but if it's to fuck, than yeah VIP is kind of a waste of money. The chicks now what they're doing if they're gonna do something the setting won't make much difference to them.

I've been to a club down here that was table booth lap dances where this chick tried to suck me off on the spot. I have this habit of always being aware of my surroundings and I know by the way everything was situated it was doable, but I stopped her. Yeah, I'm slowly coming to the realization that maybe I do need to quit being a bitch and just start tapping whatever ass is available. (That's umm... I guess better saved for another day and discussion.) Anyways, I don't consider myself hot, rich or whathaveyou, it's just the culture down here. Sorry, got a little sidetracked, point is you wanna fuck down here VIP is a waste of your money.

I mean it depends on the individual right, but if said individual can pull girls outside the club, they'll be able to pull girls inside the club as well. This relates, because if you get a girl who digs you you can make arrangements for OTC. So instead of $80 on a bottle of champagne you might never drink you get a room and a bottle of whatever you're gonna slam with the girl. Instead of clearing out when the club closes, you clear out at checkout time. Also, down here girls will usually charge before they go up, so there's not always a guarantee that you'll hit or a guarantee that that's all they'll charge. Meeting OTC means more flexibility on the price if any because she's no longer on the clock. While I can't say I agree with the OP on how he phrased his question, an argument can be made.

As far as money spent @ the club, I think the OP really didn't think it through. I mean, $200 dollars on a visit? You don't gotta be rich for that. Anyways, just thought I'd throw some timber on the fire.

Idiot's Ink
04-15-2007, 02:23 AM
See - there you go. You and I have different ideas on what constitutes "significant" in this context. I do think that it is PRETTY insignificant.
Fine, I'll keep my $40 dollars to myself this week. I should probably use it to buy food anyway.


Well - yes; but on the most basic "it's more than I would have had otherwise" analysis that you were working with heretofore - sensible way of allocating my labour?
I have no idea. We're not the same person and I guarantee we have different systems for our lives. Do you think you're allocating your labor properly? I've read maybe 1% of the nearly 5000 posts you've made to SW but even if I read them all I still wouldn't know you because I have no idea how much the real Jenny resembles the 'Jenny' character you've created here. Hell, for all I know Jenny doesn't even exist, maybe you're a 30 year old overweight guy sitting in your parent's basement somewhere with a Jolt Cola in one hand and a bag of Doritos in the other rocking back and forth chortling about how you've got everyone fooled.

I'll say this: from what I've read you seem like a smart person. Are you maximizing your income potential? Probably not, but neither are most people. It's not that simple because, like I said before, there are many variables at work and it makes no sense to make as much money as possible if you're making yourself miserable in the process. If you're making enough money to keep yourself happy then you're already better off than 90% of the population, don't stress out about it. If you're not happy with the way things are going then it's time to consider a change.


No - this has nothing to do with being extroverted or introverted. That is assuming that my primary interest is social, which is not the case.
Do you think that being introverted or extroverted only effect social systems? If a person is an introvert/extrovert it's going to determine how he or she is going to behave at work as well. If you have to nerve yourself up before you go out and talk to each customer then you're going to be putting a lot more effort into each hour of work than someone who's a social butterfly chatting away with no hesitation.


This is a sad thing? Come on. You are underestimating the power of cute.
. In 20 minutes you will have cavities; but your outlook on the universe will completely change.
Cuteoverload? I'm way to hardcore to be effected by something as... hey bunnies! No! Must... find... tv... remote... turn... on... Ultimate... Fighting... Mmmmmm testosterone!

Do you actually think that I'm going to let the years of work I've spent thickening my skin and jading my personality be destroyed that easily? At most I will let a single Iron-Eyes-Cody-esque tear slide down my cheek to show that I do have a sensitive side while allowing me to remain secure in my masculinity then I'm going back to

mr_punk
04-15-2007, 08:01 AM
Let's see down here in Houston I think it all depends. I mean if the person doesn't know any better than yeah it's still stupid. I mean don't get it wrong, just how it is down here. You go to some clubs here where a private dance gives you the same level of privacy as the VIP, minus the expense of champagne. I guess it all depends on what they're looking for, but if it's to fuck, than yeah VIP is kind of a waste of money. The chicks now what they're doing if they're gonna do something the setting won't make much difference to them.true, in some clubs there is little difference between the two. in those instances, VIP is often about the illusion of privacy not to mention an upsell opportunity for the club. however, it can be a selling point for some customers. frankly, i lost what little modesty i had about whipping it out (or getting it whipped out), but some guys are a more modest than i.

I've been to a club down here that was table booth lap dances where this chick tried to suck me off on the spot. I have this habit of always being aware of my surroundings and I know by the way everything was situated it was doable, but I stopped her. Yeah, I'm slowly coming to the realization that maybe I do need to quit being a bitch and just start tapping whatever ass is available.why did you stop her? she was just being friendly..LOL. seriously, you already recognize how easy it can be. it seems the only ingredient missing is the nerve to whip it out. in any event, even if you're just considering it. welcome to the dark side. :devil: http://www.xxxporntalk.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bentoverbanana.gif

xdamage
04-15-2007, 10:48 AM
You go to some clubs here where a private dance gives you the same level of privacy as the VIP, minus the expense of champagne. I guess it all depends on what they're looking for, but if it's to fuck, than yeah VIP is kind of a waste of money.

Putting aside the up-sell reasons, and gimmicky overpriced champage, I've long looked at the VIP room as basically just a way for the clubs to put some distance between LE and what they know really goes on. Depending on what arrangement the club has with LE, you may have to go back there to get more simply because the club wants those few extra minutes between the time LE walks in the door to warn everyone to zip it up. There's still a chance of an undercover bust, but the risk to the club is lowered if they funnel the extra activity to the VIP room.

Jenny
04-15-2007, 12:53 PM
Fine, I'll keep my $40 dollars to myself this week. I should probably use it to buy food anyway.
Well - I do think strippers are more important than eating. But, you know - whatever.


Hell, for all I know Jenny doesn't even exist, maybe you're a 30 year old overweight guy sitting in your parent's basement somewhere with a Jolt Cola in one hand and a bag of Doritos in the other rocking back and forth chortling about how you've got everyone fooled.
Shut up! I've gone through 5000 posts building up credibility here! What the hell are you doing?


Do you think that being introverted or extroverted only effect social systems? If a person is an introvert/extrovert it's going to determine how he or she is going to behave at work as well. If you have to nerve yourself up before you go out and talk to each customer then you're going to be putting a lot more effort into each hour of work than someone who's a social butterfly chatting away with no hesitation.
Okay, yes. However... that's just a matter of how much effort goes into any given hour. It comes out the same, regardless. Like - if I'm extroverted it will be x effort per hour, and introverted it will be y - it's still the same for both hours.


Cuteoverload? I'm way to hardcore to be effected by something as... hey bunnies! No! Must... find... tv... remote... turn... on... Ultimate... Fighting... Mmmmmm testosterone!

Do you actually think that I'm going to let the years of work I've spent thickening my skin and jading my personality be destroyed that easily? At most I will let a single Iron-Eyes-Cody-esque tear slide down my cheek to show that I do have a sensitive side while allowing me to remain secure in my masculinity then I'm going back to www.cruel.com (http://www.cruel.com)
Didn't you see the kissy-llama picture? Whatever - if you are into ultimate fighting, this (http://www.kittenwar.com) might be more your style.

Katrine
04-15-2007, 06:39 PM
Damn you Jenny! I spent hours on cuteoverload yesterday instead of doing...anything else whatsoever. You cruel vixen!

datchapin
04-15-2007, 07:18 PM
why did you stop her? she was just being friendly..LOL. seriously, you already recognize how easy it can be. it seems the only ingredient missing is the nerve to whip it out. in any event, even if you're just considering it. welcome to the dark side. :devil: http://www.xxxporntalk.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bentoverbanana.gif

Lol, right now sex isn't at the forefront of my existence, though it's starting to move up there again. I've been to the dark side before and I've used VIP for what it was meant to be used for, it's just been so long ago I don't really see the point in braging about it or anything like that because it's not me at the moment. Anyways, right now I'm still trying to organize myself and decide who and what I wanna become so I'm just letting that choice sit on the backburner for now. Besides down here in the dirty south it's not like there's a shortage of "friendly" girls. If I do dip on the "dark side" I'll definetely post it on the TR's.

datchapin
04-15-2007, 07:28 PM
Putting aside the up-sell reasons, and gimmicky overpriced champage, I've long looked at the VIP room as basically just a way for the clubs to put some distance between LE and what they know really goes on. Depending on what arrangement the club has with LE, you may have to go back there to get more simply because the club wants those few extra minutes between the time LE walks in the door to warn everyone to zip it up. There's still a chance of an undercover bust, but the risk to the club is lowered if they funnel the extra activity to the VIP room.

I can understand where your theory comes from. Matter of fact some places might operate like that. From my experience though, the way the SC is structured leaves the SC without much to really worry about besides fines and whathaveyou. I mean the girls are the ones that take the biggest risk as well as the customers. I mean during a bust it doesn't matter how well prepared the club is, all it takes is some drunk ass fool to get him and his companion in trouble. I mean as soon as the cops are in the parking lot a ripple effect hits the club and if your aware you'll be set without any "help." from the club. I mean as long as you disengage from whatever you were doing LE can't do anything. I mean they got to go through due process if they wanna fuck with you otherwise they blow their case so all anybody has to do is remain calm and act like nothing happened.

evan_essence
04-15-2007, 08:45 PM
Am I missing something in the discussion between Jenny and Idiots? A customer budgets $80 in dances with me. That's taking perhaps 18 minutes of my cooing and dance time on a slow night. Or maybe 16.5 minutes on a moderate night. Or 15 minutes on a busy night. Where's this hour coming from?

-Ev

Jenny
04-15-2007, 08:51 PM
Am I missing something in the discussion between Jenny and Idiots? A customer budgets $80 in dances with me. That's taking perhaps 18 minutes of my cooing and dance time on a slow night. Or maybe 16.5 minutes on a moderate night. Or 15 minutes on a busy night. Where's this hour coming from?

-Ev
We're assuming there is a regular customer who buys 4 or 5 dances, but demands an hour total of your time.

Idiot's Ink
04-16-2007, 01:08 AM
Well - I do think strippers are more important than eating. But, you know - whatever.
I don't actually know this for a fact but I suspect that fainting from starvation while getting a dance isn't going to do my already flagging reputation any good.


Okay, yes. However... that's just a matter of how much effort goes into any given hour. It comes out the same, regardless. Like - if I'm extroverted it will be x effort per hour, and introverted it will be y - it's still the same for both hours.
Okay, you lost me here. x=extroverted, y=introverted. assuming that x does not equal y how can 2x = 2y?


Didn't you see the kissy-llama picture? Whatever - if you are into ultimate fighting, might be more your style.

That's just brutal! Sure it's all cute and shiny on the outside but have you even considered the psychological damage to some of these kittens? I'm sure you're saying, 'But it's all in good fun,' right? Yeah, right, tell that to poor ! At a painful 27-201-16 record his self esteem must be in the toilet, but do his handlers pull him out? No way! They just send him in for another round! Just look at him, he's prematurely aged and probably shell shocked! Sure, this kind of site is great for the and of the kittenwar world but they're superstars! I ask you, who's standing up for the Mr. Bigglesworths out there? You! I think not! No, you would probably just stick them in a car and make them drive on a miniature bridge! Disgusting!

Jenny
04-16-2007, 07:36 AM
Okay, you lost me here. x=extroverted, y=introverted. assuming that x does not equal y how can 2x = 2y?
No, I meant that it costs the same dancer the same amount of labour per hour. Like naturally extroverted dancer expends the same effort and labour in hour 1 as hour 2, as does introverted dancer. So, ultimately, the x dancer's job may be easier overall, but I don't think it impacts this particular analysis.


That's just brutal! Sure it's all cute and shiny on the outside but have you even considered the psychological damage to some of these kittens? I'm sure you're saying, 'But it's all in good fun,' right? Yeah, right, tell that to poor MR. Bigglesworth (http://kittenwar.com/kittens/114168/)! At a painful 27-201-16 record his self esteem must be in the toilet, but do his handlers pull him out? No way! They just send him in for another round! Just look at him, he's prematurely aged and probably shell shocked!
Hey I voted for Mr. Bigglesworth.


Sure, this kind of site is great for the Neeshas (http://kittenwar.com/kittens/118152/) and Finns (http://kittenwar.com/kittens/105841/) of the kittenwar world but they're superstars! I ask you, who's standing up for the Mr. Bigglesworths out there? You! I think not! No, you would probably just stick them in a car and make them drive on a miniature bridge! Disgusting!
Mr. Bigglesworth might enjoy a nice drive. And I would put googles on him first.

Idiot's Ink
04-17-2007, 01:18 AM
No, I meant that it costs the same dancer the same amount of labour per hour. Like naturally extroverted dancer expends the same effort and labour in hour 1 as hour 2, as does introverted dancer. So, ultimately, the x dancer's job may be easier overall, but I don't think it impacts this particular analysis.
I concede. Your personal experience beats my theoretical BS. I'm retreating to the losers corner where I can be alone, well, except for Mr. Bigglesworth.

Jenny
04-17-2007, 10:50 AM
Really? Neat.
Does this mean you're my bitch now? Because I could really use one.

Samba
04-17-2007, 05:57 PM
As a custy, I bring what I can afford, and (usually) spend it all on a cute girl who has the sense to chat me up for a half a song first and get me smiling. I know the game, as I am a dancer myself. I love watching the stage, enjoy dances, and it's money well spent.

I don't spend the rent money. Duh.

Idiot's Ink
04-17-2007, 11:11 PM
Really? Neat.
Does this mean you're my bitch now? Because I could really use one.
Yeah sure, I'll give it a try. But in order to provide full disclosure you should probably know that I'm lazy, I don't follow directions all that well and I complain a lot. Other than that I'm sure I'll do a thoroughly mediocre job. So, how do I sign up?

evan_essence
04-17-2007, 11:19 PM
We're assuming there is a regular customer who buys 4 or 5 dances, but demands an hour total of your time.:rotfl: That's a hilarious thought.

Seriously, I wonder if lawyers have this problem. Maybe if my lawyer likes me really well, and I come in with business on a regular basis, he'll spend an hour with me for only $80. I'm thinking about paying him his usual rate of $400 an hour at least once a month so he should be grateful for that! He wouldn't get that $400 an hour if he turns down my $80 an hour business today. Besides, if he doesn't accept my $80 today, he'll be sitting around for an hour without any work and will reduce his average hourly earnings. (Not to mention the fact that my lawyer kinda gets off on helping me, so I think, when he figures the price, he should take into account that he gets pleasure out of it, too.)

-Ev

xdamage
04-18-2007, 06:15 AM
Seriously, I wonder if lawyers have this problem.

This question was a joke right?

I'm waiting to talk to a lawyer myself. What's at stake is many tens of thousands of dollars, many complex inter-state laws, and penalties if it's not handled right. I don't get any free time, and the lawyer is so busy I need to wait for our appointment. Just finding one that can answer my questions has been a chore.

But then that's not exactly comparable to dozens of girls, most with no education, who want my money for the service of taking off their clothes or grinding on my lap. No major money is at stake. No laws will be broken if I don't buy a dance. I don't need their service to resolve any complex problems.

Dancers are selling optional entertainment. Customers will spend left over money on it, after their more important expenses are taken care of, and they are competing with dozens of other girls who can provide the same service for the same price, no waiting. There is no major issues at stake. No big money is involved. No major legal issues. No major health issues. And if the girl does a poor job, no stress for her. If she does a crappy job and leaves the customer limp, no big money is lost, no one goes to jail, no laws are broken, etc.

So the answer is no, lawyers don't have this problem, but that's because the service they provide requires far more education, and the consequences of screwing up are much greater, and what's at stake is much more important.

evan_essence
04-18-2007, 08:05 PM
This question was a joke right?Obviously to you it is. The fact is, if you thought the lawyer's rates were unreasonable in relationship to supply, demand and perceived value, you'd simply refuse to buy. I doubt you'd mull over any of the ridiculous lines of thinking I mentioned.

-Ev

xdamage
04-18-2007, 08:59 PM
Obviously to you it is. The fact is, if you thought the lawyer's rates were unreasonable in relationship to supply, demand and perceived value, you'd simply refuse to buy. I doubt you'd mull over any of the ridiculous lines of thinking I mentioned.

-Ev

True, although in many cases hiring a lawyer (or a doctor) is not an option, while paying a stripper is just entertainment money, what we spend after all other more important expenses are paid.

Also if we are going to argue that a dancer's time is valuable, then it has to be argued so is the customer's time. The customer spent that time in another job, accumulating money, possibly over a period of many hours or days for some customers. They are then paid, and so their entertainment money represents a certain amount of work time for them that they can spend on entertainment.

You want the customer to pay you for your time. The customers wants the time he has been paid for to be well spent. If the customer gets poor service, it's just like wasting his time and reaching into his pocket and wasting the hours he spent working to make those $$s.

The difference between dancers and lawyers or doctors or many other professions though is as dancers, there is absolutely no standards of performance. For $400 an hour, I can have expectations of a lawyer, and anticipate that the education, bar exam, and legal system have already weeded out many who aren't able to perform at a $400 an hour rate. I also know many work for firms, the public, or have their own practices which have standards of performance. And even then, there is room for lawyers to build a reputation of being better then other lawyers.

Dancers on the other hand, almost any girl can do it if she wants, and there are no standards of performance. Customers learn this fact early on. If they want $400 worth of performance, they better be very careful to pre-screen because they know full well that many dancers will take the money and then do as little as possible.

If you want us to buy, and spend our hard earned bucks on you vs some other girl, then yea, we expect you to sell yourselves and prove you can deliver before we spend. We simply can't take dancers on their word because there are too many out there that are flakes, and there is really no industry standards or board of excellence pushing any of these girls to provide excellent service for the money we pay.

evan_essence
04-18-2007, 10:07 PM
If you want us to buy, and spend our hard earned bucks on you vs some other girl, then yea, we expect you to sell yourselves and prove you can deliver before we spend.That was already a given in the context of the conversation. We were talking about regulars who come in during slow times to see their ATF in hopes that she will spend more time with him than usual for that amount of money.

-Ev

xdamage
04-18-2007, 10:36 PM
That was already a given in the context of the conversation. We were talking about regulars who come in during slow times to see their ATF in hopes that she will spend more time with him than usual for that amount of money.

-Ev

I guess I missed that context. In that context I agree with you.

Personally I have no ATFs and don't believe in ripping people off. But if I did, as a customer, I'd say if a customer and dancer have an arrangement, I do think they should stick to it, and don't think it's right for the customer to take advantage (or vice versa).

datchapin
04-19-2007, 07:49 PM
I think lawyers also have this problem. People are always looking for a discount or extra services for a fee. I don't think it's as in your face as it might be in the strip club. Even though lawyers set appointments, organize and a variety of other services, there's always flaky customers. Customers that call and say I can't make that appointment can you push it back an hour, or I don't have all the money right now can I pay you later. The difference I think is that with lawyers the services provided are clearly outlined, while with stripping there's this big ? on what exactly the entertainment entails.

The biggest problem I think comes from strippers that do provide all these extra services and make it harder for the rest of the girls.

lestat1
04-19-2007, 09:18 PM
Geez...what happened around here?

I miss the old days when we had a few scapegoats everyone got to gang up on, rather than this general melee of visciousness and 'oneupsmanship.'

:(

Katrine
04-19-2007, 10:23 PM
Geez...what happened around here?

I miss the old days when we had a few scapegoats everyone got to gang up on, rather than this general melee of visciousness and 'oneupsmanship.'

:(

Well 'statsky.....the number of punk emulators has grown exponentially. Now, no one can touch the original evil mastermind, but many try.

Oh, that and xdamage, jenny, and sometimes evan_, like to argue in circles.....

GenWar
04-20-2007, 01:58 AM
Oh, that and xdamage, jenny, and sometimes evan_, like to argue in circles.....

No...they don't...;D

mdiver
04-20-2007, 04:41 PM
It defies my belief that so many guys get dragged into VIP and Champagne rooms for such outrageous sums of money. I like strip clubs, and when I go, out of respect for the dancers, I will tip generously at the stage and purchase a couple of dances. However, I believe any guy who drops $200, $300, $400 a night in a club is either entirely desperate, obscenely rich, or grotesquely stupid. I know the dancers have to make a living, but I have my own livelihood to be concerned with, too. I have enough confidence in myself to know that if I want to meet women, I can. I can get better conversation almost anywhere besides a club (where almost every word spoken is a lie). I would much rather spend $300 or $400 on a woman who is a real friend. For me, the club experience is an opportunity to see some beautiful women who are tanatlizingly sexy, in ways I could never see them otherwise. I don't feel I have the right to be rude and spend little or nothing (although a person could), but I do feel I have the right to walk out with my billfold and my dignity somewhat intact.

I have never seen anyone dragged into the champagne room, but I do think it is foolish to pay the local price of pussy or more and then not get the pussy. The champagne room is usually a case of pay more get less

mr_punk
04-20-2007, 05:56 PM
Now, no one can touch the original evil mastermind, but many try.evil? who me?:angel:

cinammonkisses
05-02-2007, 07:18 AM
Right now, $125 or there abouts only lasts me maybe a half hour.

What?! I'm horrified! You're not spending any of it on me! That is the problem ;D

Smokeless
05-02-2007, 09:55 PM
I think lawyers also have this problem. People are always looking for a discount or extra services for a fee.

Not to mention computer consultants. I can't even count the number of times when announcing I'm in the computer industry at a party that someone tries to get free advise! Or when I was still consulting, the number of times people nitpicked or tried to haggle over a bill for work already agreed to and completed.

Samba
05-03-2007, 03:38 PM
If you want us to buy, and spend our hard earned bucks on you vs some other girl, then yea, we expect you to sell yourselves and prove you can deliver before we spend. We simply can't take dancers on their word because there are too many out there that are flakes, and there is really no industry standards or board of excellence pushing any of these girls to provide excellent service for the money we pay.

ah hahahahaha. We should have you junkies form a board of excellence, then strippers could be certified. Any volunteers?

crizgolfer
05-03-2007, 03:58 PM
Not to mention computer consultants. I can't even count the number of times when announcing I'm in the computer industry at a party that someone tries to get free advise! Or when I was still consulting, the number of times people nitpicked or tried to haggle over a bill for work already agreed to and completed.

I can relate there. I don't like to socialize with people from my place of work for this very reason. They want advice on their computers. Sorry, gang, but I am looking to have a few drinks and find a little nice conversation with a member for the fairer persuasion.

Now, they ask me if I will help them with their PC. I say sure, $125 an hour with one hour upfront. ;)

FBR
05-03-2007, 04:02 PM
What?! I'm horrified! You're not spending any of it on me! That is the problem ;D

LOL Well, CK, I venture to say that if I were spending it on you, the $125 would last an even shorter amount of time :P

FBR

FBR
05-03-2007, 05:11 PM
ah hahahahaha. We should have you junkies form a board of excellence, then strippers could be certified. Any volunteers?

Now that debate would be worthy of a you tube video. Can you imagine Mr_P and Phil trying to agree on the relative merits of a stripper? Phil would be trying to drive her home while the punkster would be trying to drive in a well lubricated thumb.

FBR

mr_punk
05-04-2007, 05:30 AM
ah hahahahaha. We should have you junkies form a board of excellence, then strippers could be certified. Any volunteers?sounds like a plan. why, we could go even further by slapping an RF tag or tattoo a barcode, which can be read by any PDA device, on the stripper's ass or forehead. thus, PLs can just scan the stripper and get a readout.