View Full Version : custies do u keep accounts of what u spend on ATF's
Lola Rose
04-15-2007, 03:47 PM
Hell ya mast! That's the spirit!!!
Personally I don't. I take out what I'm willing to spend normally 200-300.00 and I expect to spend it all on dances, drinks, tips ect. Is long as I'm having a good time I don't really care.
Star Player
06-01-2007, 08:40 PM
I keep exact records on ITC and OTC with a monthly total to compare to budget. On a business trip to LA recently I spent about $1100 on ITC (lap dances) over a coupla nites. One girl at the Imperial Theatre in Anaheim I spent $400 on dances as she gave really good dances (she told me I was good customer). It is a nude club but they are nude only on stage then in bikini for lap dances which are $10 (a real treat!) and dance area is nice and dark. Plus I really like bikini girls. That week in LA I had lap dances with 12 girls, getting to feel all of them. A couple I got to suck some boob and smooch with them. I propostioned two for otc (made $$ offer) but no success - seems tougher to score in LA than in Houston. At one club ($10 dances) I got ripped bc the gal charged me $135 (private room) for 4 or 5 dances saying she was gonna "rock me." Or was she saying she was going to roll me LOL.
buttaskotch
06-08-2007, 08:31 PM
I don't intentionally keep track, but I know approximately how much I've spent just because I go about once a week and spend about $100 a night. I also only buys dances from my ATF and I don't drink (usually). So obviously everything I spend is gonna be on her (drinks for her and dances for me).
datchapin
06-09-2007, 04:59 PM
I don't keep exact track of how much I spend. Who cares right? Way I keep track is if I went to the wallet. Which is not a bad thing. If I pull the wallet out it's a good thing, shit I kinda get a tingly feeling my damn self when I pull it out. lol. So having said all that the total amount of my expenditures at the SC's is... not enough. The day I feel I've spent enough is the day I stop going. lol.
Even if I did keep track though, actually doing all the math in my head or whatever would keep me from fun time. I mean really, what, am I supposed to keep track if I run into two atf's. On top of that drinks, tips, and covers. Fuck all that. SC's are fun times, not let me think about what I'm doing time. I can do that afterwards (I'll get around to it one day.) }:D
ARCOR
06-10-2007, 02:44 PM
I usually, separate my cash from my wallet before I go in.
Sometimes when I am out with clients I loose track of how much I spend. On many occasions I have heard others stop going to clubs because they spend too much money. For me clubs are just part of my entertainment expense.
Svelt
06-10-2007, 03:42 PM
ATFs, hell yeah I track it.
In general I just track my entertainment budget. Which currently rides $1500 monthly. I do like to know how much I am spending in any one club, but don't track individuals unless its an fav. Spending can easily get out of control with a true fav.
Current fav sees about $600 monthly, nothing steller, but she treats me well.
Mastridonicus
06-10-2007, 04:48 PM
ONE thing's for sure. They sure know when I'VE stopped spending. *riiiiinnnng*
"Patheti....er this is Mast...Oh HI....oh dinner?....Sure...I'll take you out....Meet you at the SC? Yea I can do that... Sure I can have em hold a VIP room for you while I wait, just wait in there? You got it...see you in 5"
CalifSCVisitor65
06-10-2007, 07:35 PM
No I don't track it, but have a rough idea. Typically about $700-$800 over a 2-night weekend at 3-4 times/yr over 4-yrs. You do the math.
Djoser
06-10-2007, 07:55 PM
I keep track of what the dancers tip me. For two reasons. One, so I can keep track of how much total I am making every night. Two, if one of them regularly tips me 50-80$, she's damned well going to get more personalized attention than one who always tips 10$.
And the money in the pocket I can understand, lol--I always have so many singles that keeping them in my wallet would be ridiculous, so I keep them in a bundle in my pocket when I go out, and try to get rid of them. People tend to freak if they see it, but it's not that much money--if you have more than 100 in singles it makes a huge bulge in your pocket and looks dumb. The dancers understand, especially if I have worked with them before.
magic501
06-10-2007, 09:10 PM
I learned a long time ago you'll drive yourself crazy keeping track of what you spend in a club.
Like others, I take X amount of money & when it's gone, I go home- past the ATM and straight to the car :D
And if I don't have it to spend that payday, I don't. Seen too many guys get in over thier heads like that.
Chrissy68
06-11-2007, 01:17 PM
And I k ow one of my regs did the same thing. He asked me on a date the night he told me how much he spent. It's a bad sign if they share with you what they spent, imo....
this is where my mind went. that he's trying to manipulate you to feel badly for him or something. anyways.. be wary.
slims099
07-15-2007, 11:57 AM
A very good regular of mine recently surprised me when he told me that he has spent X amount on me to date. I didn't really knnow what to say. He told me that he writes down what he spends each time.
Anyone else do this and if so is it just a part of your general account/budgeting or is it for some other reason?
Probably a great thing to do, but I don't do it. If I had a budget, I'd never ever go to strip clubs hahaha. ::)
Pretty_Penny
07-15-2007, 12:41 PM
i would be slightly offended if a customer came up to me and told me "i've spent X ammount of money on you over X ammount of time". i would feel put on the spot. i mean, what are you supposed to say to that? it sounds like a bitter thing to bring up, or like the customer wants you to feel bad about it. i don't like when customers say things like that. it sounds too much like "i was ripped off". stripping is my -job- and you -chose- to pay for the entertainment. if you spent more than you wanted to, that's not my problem, and i refuse to feel bad about it. esp. considering i'm an honest person at work. i don't lead guys into thinking they're going to date me, or beg for money, or etc. i keep it professional and i expect them to do the same.
that's like going to a casino and telling them you "lost" Xammount of money there. or it's like going to a car dealership a year after you bought a very expensive car and telling them "i didn't really -need- a car this expensive and now i realize i shouldn't have bought it"
give me a break.
IMO the fact that he thinks it's "ok" to tell you that means he doesn't respect what you do as a valid profession.
*edited to add* i'm not saying it isn't wise to keep basic track of what you spend. most customers on here have mentioned that they have an entertainment budget or something of the sort. i'm just saying it's rude to bring it up to the dancer. not only is it rude, it's pointless.
Phd-BA-BS
07-15-2007, 01:08 PM
Entertainment is factored in a monthly budget based on my receivables. How much goes to who is not important. What goes where (x goes to entertainment) is the only thing I care about. That is important to know.
bem401
07-15-2007, 01:46 PM
i would be slightly offended if a customer came up to me and told me "i've spent X ammount of money on you over X ammount of time". i would feel put on the spot. i mean, what are you supposed to say to that? it sounds like a bitter thing to bring up, or like the customer wants you to feel bad about it. i don't like when customers say things like that. it sounds too much like "i was ripped off". stripping is my -job- and you -chose- to pay for the entertainment. if you spent more than you wanted to, that's not my problem, and i refuse to feel bad about it. esp. considering i'm an honest person at work. i don't lead guys into thinking they're going to date me, or beg for money, or etc. i keep it professional and i expect them to do the same.
that's like going to a casino and telling them you "lost" Xammount of money there. or it's like going to a car dealership a year after you bought a very expensive car and telling them "i didn't really -need- a car this expensive and now i realize i shouldn't have bought it"
give me a break.
IMO the fact that he thinks it's "ok" to tell you that means he doesn't respect what you do as a valid profession.
*edited to add* i'm not saying it isn't wise to keep basic track of what you spend. most customers on here have mentioned that they have an entertainment budget or something of the sort. i'm just saying it's rude to bring it up to the dancer. not only is it rude, it's pointless.
It's clear the guy is starting to question whether these expenditures were worthwhile, for whatever reason. He might be thinking " I have been spending all this money and look where it has gotten me. How appropriate or inappropriate his comments are probably depends on the amount of money and time involved. If he were to say " I've spent $3000 on you over the last year" its one thing. If he were to say " I've spent $50000 or more on you over the last year or so", its another thing.
Anytime the spending is so great as to affect his family or cause him to change his lifestyle, it is a sign that he is spending more than he should. Maybe he is trying to extract "more" from the dancer or maybe he is just starting to realize what a fool he's made of himself by blowing so much money. He might be trying to spread some of the blame for the financial situation he has created. Either way he's questioning whether he has gotten or is getting his money's worth.
Personally, I have never been so foolish as to dig myself a hole as a result of going to the clubs. Certainly I have spent more than I intended to on several occasions and I never tried to make anyone feel guilty for it besides myself, but guys who can't rein themselves in after a certain point can dig themselves quite a financial hole similar to people who entertain themselves by gambling or doing drugs.
Pretty_Penny
07-15-2007, 05:54 PM
It's clear the guy is starting to question whether these expenditures were worthwhile, for whatever reason. He might be thinking " I have been spending all this money and look where it has gotten me. How appropriate or inappropriate his comments are probably depends on the amount of money and time involved. If he were to say " I've spent $3000 on you over the last year" its one thing. If he were to say " I've spent $50000 or more on you over the last year or so", its another thing.
Anytime the spending is so great as to affect his family or cause him to change his lifestyle, it is a sign that he is spending more than he should. Maybe he is trying to extract "more" from the dancer or maybe he is just starting to realize what a fool he's made of himself by blowing so much money. He might be trying to spread some of the blame for the financial situation he has created. Either way he's questioning whether he has gotten or is getting his money's worth.
Personally, I have never been so foolish as to dig myself a hole as a result of going to the clubs. Certainly I have spent more than I intended to on several occasions and I never tried to make anyone feel guilty for it besides myself, but guys who can't rein themselves in after a certain point can dig themselves quite a financial hole similar to people who entertain themselves by gambling or doing drugs.
sorry, but IMO, as long as the dancer is professional (keeping it ITC, not promising him more) none of that is the dancers problem, no matter how much the ammount is. i understand that he's questioning his financial choices, but that shouldn't involve bringing it up to her.
i say, so you've spent way to much in the strip club over the past year? now you regret it? oh well. chaulk it up to "lesson learned", figure out where your priorities stand, and move on with it. he just wants her to feel guilty or he feels she owes him more.
sounds like -his- problem to me.
bem401
07-16-2007, 05:44 AM
sorry, but IMO, as long as the dancer is professional (keeping it ITC, not promising him more) none of that is the dancers problem, no matter how much the ammount is. i understand that he's questioning his financial choices, but that shouldn't involve bringing it up to her.
i say, so you've spent way to much in the strip club over the past year? now you regret it? oh well. chaulk it up to "lesson learned", figure out where your priorities stand, and move on with it. he just wants her to feel guilty or he feels she owes him more.
sounds like -his- problem to me.
But my question is do you continue to string him along at this point with the knowledge that his actions are creating financial stress for him ( and possibly his family ) ? While it is true that he ought to grow a spine and take responsibility for his own actions. He should keep this problem to himself. After all, if he is looking for the girl to help him curtail his spending, it would be kind of like making the arsonist the fire chief. But how would you deal with being put in this situation?
bem401
07-16-2007, 09:04 AM
Perhaps "stringing along" was a poor choice of words, and I was not intending to impugn anyone in particular, but it definitely goes on. The term itself has been used by dancers posting on this site. I was just trying to see if conscience kicks in at any point. I have one aquaintance who I was told lost his house and car because of his SC shenanigans. It all went primarily to one particular girl I am told. Clearly, he was strung along. I won't deny that he has to be a very weak and stupid person to allow that to happen, but he clearly did not have control over the situation.
As a counter example, I have friends who patronize AMP's but my conscience won't allow me to go there because I wouldn't want to feel like I was taking advantage of someone who was not in control of their situation. I think most of the girls at those places are smuggled in from abroad (human trafficking) and are basically treated as slaves.
I agree that complaints about overspending shouldn't be thrown up at dancer. After all, she didn't make the guy spend. But on the other hand, preying on a weak guy ( if and when that happens ), is wrong as well. The fact of the matter is, some of these guys are addicted.
Pretty_Penny
07-16-2007, 09:46 AM
i stated more than once in my responses that my opinion was based on a professional/honest dancer. "string along" doesn't qualify as professional IMO, since it implies leading the customer to think you will/are dating. that's exactly why i said i do not, and will not, feel guilty about customers spending money on me.
let's just say, over the course of a year, a regular customer comes in a couple times a week and spends a few hundred dollars on me each time. i have done nothing to make him think i want to see him OTC or to make him think i have feelings for him. after this year mark goes by he comes into the club and tells me he spent a little under 30k on me through the course of the year. then he tells me (lets just say an extreme case) that he has a disabled child at home and a depressed wife and a house about to be forclosed on.
do i feel bad? absolutely not.
let me rephrase a bit:
i would feel bad for his family, but not in a "guilty" sense, because i have done nothing wrong. i did my -job-. a customer's financial responsibilities outside of the club have -NOTHING- to do with me. a customer's addiction problems have -NOTHING- to do with me.
the alcohol addiction analogy was used before, and i agree with it. an addict is going to keep buying whatever they are addicted to untill they get help. i am not an addict counselor, i am a dancer.
if this customer told me the story i described above, i would be irritated that he felt the need to bring it up to me. i would probably tell him to seek help and i would not dance for him anymore after said incident, but i would -not- feel bad.
bem401
07-16-2007, 10:37 AM
[QUOTEif this customer told me the story i described above, i would be irritated that he felt the need to bring it up to me. i would probably tell him to seek help and i would not dance for him anymore after said incident, but i would -not- feel bad.[/QUOTE]
IMO, that is the perfect way to deal with the situation. The customer shouldn't be laying the guilt at anyone else's feet but his own. It is a pointless comment to make on his part. The money is gone and I would think if more were forthcoming from the dancer (in the form of extras or OTC ), it would have already happened. At the same time, I'd personally hate to feel I was taking advantage of someone so I would applaud your position to extricate yourself from the situation.
BTW, wouldn't it be uncommon to have a regular for a year spending at the rate you described. Most girls I know have told me regulars seldom last more than 6 months. Respond privately if you prefer.
sadbuttrue
09-15-2007, 03:33 PM
i haven't,but i just did, i think i'm swearing off sc's now. I could have bought a beach house, yikes :)
Oh, I definitely could have finished paying off the mortgage, if I had put all the money I have spent on SC's towards it. And I could have started on a cottage or something. But who knows if I hadnt done the SCs I could have been buying rounds at bars like a friend of mine. Or one gambling, which I have no use for. It's entertainment and it's all about what you like.
My fave gets a fixed amount every time we meet in my left pocket...lol. In my right is just 1s and 5s for the waitresses, a few stage tips, etc. She gets off visits on a rare occasion and she probably knows how much that will be. She gets the odd gifts and Christmas and B-day stuff. It's a controlled addiction these days.
Most of the money has gone to two girls, different time frames, the length of the customer relationship was about 4 years each. The first one was un-controlled sometimes and I don't want to have that happen again. But it was OTC, so...
>>>Sad<<<
Star Player
09-15-2007, 05:16 PM
I keep detailed records by girl / club / activity, etc. I use an excel spreadsheet for this. I also keep stats rating different girls in certain areas relating to performance.
jaizaine
09-16-2007, 04:08 AM
^^^
Edit: an eyeroll will suffice.
Santos
09-22-2007, 11:35 PM
I'm too fickle to have favorites. And I don't keep track of what I spend. If I added it all up, I would be far too depressed :) It's better I don't know how much I spent and keep the happy memories!
RandomUser
10-10-2007, 02:50 AM
I hadn't thought about this much. If I told someone I spent $30,000 on them I would want them to think of it as a compliment. yah I could have bought 10,000 latte's, 1500 pizzas, played wow on 6 computers for 15 years, bought a nice car, made a house downpayment. But no I thought your mind and body were the vibe. I suppose I could have regrets. I regret I didn't stay in the military and would be retired now. That is a compliment if you are a stripper, if you are a relative of mine then I am not sure if you are worth it.
And in another vein I was thinking about this with people in general today. Is it better to just give them money and not have an expectation or should the money be conditional and some sort of magical personal growth is to be the result of said investment.