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gingerlee
04-24-2007, 05:54 PM
Hi Everyone.

I'm new on here and mostly signed up to find some investors for some films we are doing for a new production company (where the investor is the male star of the film).


Sorry to totally threadjack, but you're doing a series of videos where any dude that can afford it gets to star in his very own porn? That's weird, on so many levels. I know I don't like working with 'new' dudes, because it's a pain in the ass most of the time.

cameron_keys
04-24-2007, 07:45 PM
Sorry to totally threadjack, but you're doing a series of videos where any dude that can afford it gets to star in his very own porn? That's weird, on so many levels. I know I don't like working with 'new' dudes, because it's a pain in the ass most of the time.

yeah....thats a bit too close to prostitution for my tastes...fine line...and that crosses it. It has too much of a "If you have the money to pay for it..you can do one of our girls" kind of ring to it....

I wouldnt do it.

gingerlee
04-24-2007, 07:47 PM
yeah....thats a bit too close to prostitution for my tastes...fine line...and that crosses it. It has too much of a "If you have the money to pay for it..you can do one of our girls" kind of ring to it....

I wouldnt do it.

That's what I was thinking, too.

hardkandee
04-24-2007, 07:52 PM
Are you sure he doesn't mean that the owner of the company is the male star? Peter North style?

I don't know, I'm confused by it myself.:-\

cameron_keys
04-24-2007, 07:59 PM
Are you sure he doesn't mean that the owner of the company is the male star? Peter North style?

I don't know, I'm confused by it myself.:-\

He said he was looking for investors and that the investor would be the male star. Thats just paying for sex in my book....whether someone happens to be taping it or not.

VegasPrincess
04-25-2007, 11:43 PM
Before I state my opinion, I should add I have never done porn.

But I would! Why not? Who cares if it's on the internet? I'm not running for political office or anything?

What's the worst that would happen? My grand kids will see it and be all, "Gramma was hot and she liked sex?"

Who cares!

PS... if we're talking about Red Shoe Diaries, can someone explain to me why they always start with David D reading a porn-style letter while playing frisbee with his dog in a park??

Miss_Luscious
04-26-2007, 10:45 AM
Ok, I don't mean to thread jack but I want to make porn. I want is to be real sex though, no fake moaning or orgasms or anything. I want it to be people that actually do enjoy having sex together. And I won't have any shitty dialogue either!

yoda57us
04-26-2007, 11:44 AM
Ok, I don't mean to thread jack but I want to make porn. I want is to be real sex though, no fake moaning or orgasms or anything. I want it to be people that actually do enjoy having sex together. And I won't have any shitty dialogue either!

Sounds like what most of us are looking for in real life....

I_luv_dancers!
04-26-2007, 05:09 PM
Ok, I don't mean to thread jack but I want to make porn. I want is to be real sex though, no fake moaning or orgasms or anything. I want it to be people that actually do enjoy having sex together. And I won't have any shitty dialogue either!

My vision as well. Cinema verite porn. No cuts. I'd show the participants putting on condoms, using lube, small talk - the whole thing. No fake orgasms - give me the real thing or go home. Like early Seymore Butts or Shanesworld, get a bunch of hot people together to take a trip or go to a party or just hang out and see what develops.

Some of the best porn I've ever seen was amateur porn. People fucking on camera because they love to fuck on camera. The production quality isn't always there, but the heat is.

AdultFilms
04-27-2007, 05:34 AM
Sorry Girls... I was a little confused between the "blue side" and the "pink side" here, since I've never posted before. My mistake. I wasn't trying to find any talent here... just piping in on the fact that a girl can set any limits she wants in the industry.

I'm not on here trying to recruit. We already have talent hired for these shoots.

But... to further the debate a little... just because the male star is an amateur doesn't make it prostitution. ALL talent is paid to act out sex scenes in this industry. It make no difference if the other actor is Peter North, an amateur guy, a dildo or a horse! lol (kidding of course!) ;)

But seriously... I wouldn't expect strippers to be on board for it. This is for legitimate adult film talent, who really don't care much about the details of who is on the other side of the scene. Stripping isn't the same thing, and I definitely understand that.... so no offense intended. I just got caught up on this whole blue/pink side thing when I was on the other side looking for the 5 guys for these films.

Again... sorry about that.

Crow
04-27-2007, 07:11 AM
Okay, since nobody has said anything about this ( and if someone has, my apologies )

AIM - adult industry medical. No card. No work. What it is is testing for sexually transmitted diseases. https://www.sxcheck.com/aim/view/test/GetTested

I have no idea how that works out of the US, so someone else who knows can offer advice. DO NOT WORK for so called "Agencies" that say - " oh yeah, come on down. We will get you work." You will end up sleeping on someones couch and getting ripped off.
Also most legit places will book you the work in advance and require TWO forms picture ID.

Also if you don't have the ID, you wont get work.
Once again, this is for in the US. I am ignorant about how that works out of the states.:)

cameron_keys
04-27-2007, 08:36 AM
But... to further the debate a little... just because the male star is an amateur doesn't make it prostitution. ALL talent is paid to act out sex scenes in this industry. It make no difference if the other actor is Peter North, an amateur guy, a dildo or a horse! lol (kidding of course!) ;)


It isnt the amature status we were taking issue with. You said that the investor could be the talent. Which means he isnt getting paid..HE is PAYING to have sex. THAT is too close to prostitution for comfort. If that isnt what you meant...please clarify.


But seriously... I wouldn't expect strippers to be on board for it. This is for legitimate adult film talent, who really don't care much about the details of who is on the other side of the scene.

You are joking right? That was extremely offensive. So adult film actresses will just fuck whoever shows up at the studio and wont care at all about who it is? Porn actress doe snot equal whore thank you very much. I have a list of male talent, and studios I REFUSE to work with. The talent I work with is very important to me...any guy that is an a-hole in any wayI will NOT work with. Same goes for guys with questionable hygiene, etc...

cameron_keys
04-27-2007, 08:39 AM
Okay, since nobody has said anything about this ( and if someone has, my apologies )

AIM - adult industry medical. No card. No work. What it is is testing for sexually transmitted diseases.

I have no idea how that works out of the US, so someone else who knows can offer advice. DO NOT WORK for so called "Agencies" that say - " oh yeah, come on down. We will get you work." You will end up sleeping on someones couch and getting ripped off.
Also most legit places will book you the work in advance and require TWO forms picture ID.

Also if you don't have the ID, you wont get work.
Once again, this is for in the US. I am ignorant about how that works out of the states.:)

Yep..I have my issues with AIM(they are a pain in the ass and since they are bascially a monopoly they can charge you up the butt for testing....$200 a pop for me. every month...more if I have to be tested more than once like this month..it will cost me $400 min this month to get tested) but you HAVE to have it.
Any place that doesnt require testing and you see the tests of your co-stars beforehand...RUN. Preferably be able to look up their current test online in case they have a doctored one(yes...people do this so they can work, even if they are positive for a disease. A-holes...but people are)

Crow
04-27-2007, 09:26 AM
Yep..I have my issues with AIM(they are a pain in the ass and since they are bascially a monopoly they can charge you up the butt for testing....$200 a pop for me. every month...more if I have to be tested more than once like this month..it will cost me $400 min this month to get tested) but you HAVE to have it.
Any place that doesnt require testing and you see the tests of your co-stars beforehand...RUN. Preferably be able to look up their current test online in case they have a doctored one(yes...people do this so they can work, even if they are positive for a disease. A-holes...but people are)

YES! Exactly - I've heard of folks trying to fake their test results so they could work - As was stated before you can view your co-workers and co stars :) results before you even scene. Any place that dosent - leave, do not collect 200 hundred dollars and do not pass go.

AIM is a serious pain in the butt - then again I am glad it is there. Expensive to. But once you have it, it's done.

cameron_keys
04-27-2007, 09:45 AM
AIM is a serious pain in the butt - then again I am glad it is there. Expensive to. But once you have it, it's done.

Until next month..lol!

I like the local company Bio-collections SO much better...they are abit less expensive, you get your results faster and no BS(with AIM...it always takes FOREVER for them to get off their butts to fax over the paperwork to the lab...it has taken DAYS of my calling 100 times to get ONE freaking fax sent.Grrr.....)

But alas....I'm trying to go to LA soon and AIM is pretty much all thats accepted out there.....

Crow
04-27-2007, 11:32 AM
LA and Palm springs.. If you want to know where NOT to go. Shoot me a pm.
Bio-Collections is good. I've used them before. Got my results the same day:)


R
xoxox

gingerlee
04-27-2007, 07:14 PM
But seriously... I wouldn't expect strippers to be on board for it. This is for legitimate adult film talent, who really don't care much about the details of who is on the other side of the scene. Stripping isn't the same thing, and I definitely understand that.... so no offense intended. I just got caught up on this whole blue/pink side thing when I was on the other side looking for the 5 guys for these films.


Umm, I'm legit adult talent. I've done more than 75 films for actual companies that hire actual male talent. I'll say that I DO care about who is on the other side of the scene. I have a 'no' list of guys I won't work for, because they are a pain in the ass, they're rude, etc.

There is a reason that there aren't that many guys in porn-it's hard work. Not every guy can get hard in 2 seconds, stop and start 20 times without losing wood, pop on command, etc. To add to the fun, they have to do all that with a dozen or so people watching them. Guys always think that it's so easy to be male talent, and it's not. Why would I let some random dude that has never shot a film shoot with me? That's a nightmare waiting to happen.

And what agent would actually send one of his girls to a shoot like this?

cameron_keys
04-27-2007, 07:53 PM
. Why would I let some random dude that has never shot a film shoot with me? That's a nightmare waiting to happen.


OMG..I cant even imagine. That shoot would take for-fucking-ever. Real shoots take long enough..I would NEVER want to have a non-pro in the scene. ESP a male non-pro..at least a female can fake it...cant fake wood...

Not to mention the whole "arent I cool 'cause I'm in porn and I cant wait to show all my friends" attitude ANY guy who would PAY to be male "talent" would have...ugh...drama..I'm not a fucking trophy for the highest bidder...

gingerlee
04-27-2007, 08:02 PM
OMG..I cant even imagine. That shoot would take for-fucking-ever. Real shoots take long enough..I would NEVER want to have a non-pro in the scene. ESP a male non-pro..at least a female can fake it...cant fake wood...

Not to mention the whole "arent I cool 'cause I'm in porn and I cant wait to show all my friends" attitude ANY guy who would PAY to be male "talent" would have...ugh...drama..I'm not a fucking trophy for the highest bidder...

"Dude, I paid a bunch of money, and this porn chick let me fuck her on camera! Isn't that cool, man? Oh yeah, you can do it too, you just have to plunk down enough money!"

And now I want to know if these films are for distribution, or just for the male talent's personal collection.

Crow
04-27-2007, 09:52 PM
"Dude, I paid a bunch of money, and this porn chick let me fuck her on camera! Isn't that cool, man? Oh yeah, you can do it too, you just have to plunk down enough money!"

And now I want to know if these films are for distribution, or just for the male talent's personal collection.


This is too weird, I've heard of some weird stuff but then again some guys will do anything for a piece of ass -



There is a reason that there aren't that many guys in porn-it's hard work. Not every guy can get hard in 2 seconds, stop and start 20 times without losing wood, pop on command, etc. To add to the fun, they have to do all that with a dozen or so people watching them. Guys always think that it's so easy to be male talent, and it's not. Why would I let some random dude that has never shot a film shoot with me? That's a nightmare waiting to happen.

Once again dead on.. so it smells like BS to me

Cally
04-27-2007, 11:14 PM
Well I keep thinking about it and I just dont think I could handle it...

Im having enough of a melt down handling all the Miss Nude contests and working all the time... I think doing porn would push my barely there mental health over the edge and I would never return ahaha...

I am thinking about having my own website with a members area and doing cam shows or something.. but yea I dont think I could do actual porn..

sander8son
04-28-2007, 05:14 AM
Another option is to do it yourself. DVD duplication is as low as $1.35 per copy and broadcast quality equipment is more affordable than ever. Look at half the videos on the shelves today, 3rd-rate garbage filmed with a junk camera held by a shaky-handed camera guy. You would have to find a someone to work with (production and talent) but with a little effort you could probably find some good local talent. There are many success stories of girls who started their own website and retained control of all their merchandise including videos. This route would be even more rewarding since you're building your own empire and learning valuable business skills.



Cally, just FYI, I'm currently shitting on average about 3 times a day and can puke on command. Let me know if you need my services.

As for advice, I'm in no real position to offer any.

cameron_keys
04-28-2007, 09:35 AM
Well I keep thinking about it and I just dont think I could handle it...

Im having enough of a melt down handling all the Miss Nude contests and working all the time... I think doing porn would push my barely there mental health over the edge and I would never return ahaha...

I am thinking about having my own website with a members area and doing cam shows or something.. but yea I dont think I could do actual porn..


It definatley isnt for everyone. It can be hard to handle and is a LOT of work. If you are iffy about it....I would stay away.

Besides...you seem to be working constantly as it is...you dont need anything else.

gingerlee
04-28-2007, 09:53 AM
It definatley isnt for everyone. It can be hard to handle and is a LOT of work. If you are iffy about it....I would stay away.

Besides...you seem to be working constantly as it is...you dont need anything else.

Quoted for truth. It can be really hard mentally, as well as physically, and most girls can't handle it. I've seen girls totally break down on a set, especially if it was their first shoot and it didn't turn out the way the thought it would. It's one of those jobs that's tougher than it looks, and it really can traumatize somebody.

AdultFilms
04-29-2007, 10:15 AM
Wow... I have to say... I was putting up an apology for posting on the wrong side of this board and a few of you have called me "offensive" and generally attacked my business model. That's why you're not working right now and are just posting things on this forum. Attitude is very important in this industry. Mean/flakey girls don't get work, period.

You know we have a common place where we blacklist girls that are difficult, don't you?

You'll end up there faster than you can say "AIM" with an attitude like I'm seeing here.

I was trying to be nice and pipe in about how things work regarding limitations. Cleary, a lot of you girls who are just on here ready to pounce on somone who offers a helping comment are too mean and bitter to get a lot of work. None of us would hire you a second time with that kind of attitude and you would be blacklisted. In fact, I'll drop your screen names on the list right now.

I'm out of this forum. What a waste of time. Prattle on.

gingerlee
04-29-2007, 10:51 AM
Wow... I have to say... I was putting up an apology for posting on the wrong side of this board and a few of you have called me "offensive" and generally attacked my business model. That's why you're not working right now and are just posting things on this forum. Attitude is very important in this industry. Mean/flakey girls don't get work, period.

You know we have a common place where we blacklist girls that are difficult, don't you?

You'll end up there faster than you can say "AIM" with an attitude like I'm seeing here.

I was trying to be nice and pipe in about how things work regarding limitations. Cleary, a lot of you girls who are just on here ready to pounce on somone who offers a helping comment are too mean and bitter to get a lot of work. None of us would hire you a second time with that kind of attitude and you would be blacklisted. In fact, I'll drop your screen names on the list right now.

I'm out of this forum. What a waste of time. Prattle on.

Wow, that's really funny, because I am working right now. I'm in LA and I've shot every day that I've been here. I'm not mean or flakey, I'm just honest, and every company I've ever worked for has rebooked me. I come to this forum when I'm not at work on a set or in a club, because porn and featuring aren't exactly 9-5 jobs.

If you are really going to put girls that you have never met or worked with on the 'black list' shows how immature and petty you are. What are you going to type, "I posted my idea about letting regular civilian guys fuck porn stars, and some female talent thought it was a bad idea. No, I've never met them or worked with them, but they're bitches because of that, and nobody should hire them. ::) "

And by the way, 75+ movies in a year certainly qualifies me as a 'working' model.

cameron_keys
04-29-2007, 11:20 AM
Wow, that's really funny, because I am working right now. I'm in LA and I've shot every day that I've been here. I'm not mean or flakey, I'm just honest, and every company I've ever worked for has rebooked me. I come to this forum when I'm not at work on a set or in a club, because porn and featuring aren't exactly 9-5 jobs.

If you are really going to put girls that you have never met or worked with on the 'black list' shows how immature and petty you are. What are you going to type, "I posted my idea about letting regular civilian guys fuck porn stars, and some female talent thought it was a bad idea. No, I've never met them or worked with them, but they're bitches because of that, and nobody should hire them. ::) "

And by the way, 75+ movies in a year certainly qualifies me as a 'working' model.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I'm really worried about being "blacklisted" based on the opinion of an unknown with no idea how things actually work in this business and has shown such utter lack of respect for those IN the biz.

But I'm sure all the studios I work for that hire me again and again on a regular basis will listen to him. Oh no...I'm going to go put in an application at McDonalds because obviously i'll be out of work soon....:'(

gingerlee
04-29-2007, 11:30 AM
Well now that I've looked over his 'concept' again, he is basically running a high priced escort agency. Since he didn't answer the question about whether or not these vids are actually going to be distributed, I would assume they're not. No agent worth a damn would send a girl to a shoot like that.

cameron_keys
04-29-2007, 12:02 PM
Well now that I've looked over his 'concept' again, he is basically running a high priced escort agency.

Thats what I got out of it. And the guy gets a video souvenier...lovely. I cant imagine any escort wanting that either...video evidence? So all he'll get are naive girls working on their own thinking this will make them a "star".


Somehow..I doubt our careers are in danger Ginger!! ::)

madmaxine
04-29-2007, 12:11 PM
Wow... I have to say... I was putting up an apology for posting on the wrong side of this board and a few of you have called me "offensive" and generally attacked my business model. That's why you're not working right now and are just posting things on this forum. Attitude is very important in this industry. Mean/flakey girls don't get work, period.

You know we have a common place where we blacklist girls that are difficult, don't you?

You'll end up there faster than you can say "AIM" with an attitude like I'm seeing here.

I was trying to be nice and pipe in about how things work regarding limitations. Cleary, a lot of you girls who are just on here ready to pounce on somone who offers a helping comment are too mean and bitter to get a lot of work. None of us would hire you a second time with that kind of attitude and you would be blacklisted. In fact, I'll drop your screen names on the list right now.

I'm out of this forum. What a waste of time. Prattle on.

:laughing:

gingerlee
04-29-2007, 05:46 PM
Thats what I got out of it. And the guy gets a video souvenier...lovely. I cant imagine any escort wanting that either...video evidence? So all he'll get are naive girls working on their own thinking this will make them a "star".


Somehow..I doubt our careers are in danger Ginger!! ::)

But Cam, we make porn, we don't care who is on the other side of the scene! :P

cameron_keys
04-29-2007, 05:50 PM
But Cam, we make porn, we don't care who is on the other side of the scene! :P

Oh..right..I forgot...Bring on the fat smelly losers with their checkbooks open!!!

Madcap
04-29-2007, 08:25 PM
Wow... I have to say... I was putting up an apology for posting on the wrong side of this board and a few of you have called me "offensive" and generally attacked my business model. That's why you're not working right now and are just posting things on this forum. Attitude is very important in this industry. Mean/flakey girls don't get work, period.

You know we have a common place where we blacklist girls that are difficult, don't you?

You'll end up there faster than you can say "AIM" with an attitude like I'm seeing here.

I was trying to be nice and pipe in about how things work regarding limitations. Cleary, a lot of you girls who are just on here ready to pounce on somone who offers a helping comment are too mean and bitter to get a lot of work. None of us would hire you a second time with that kind of attitude and you would be blacklisted. In fact, I'll drop your screen names on the list right now.

I'm out of this forum. What a waste of time. Prattle on.


Buh-bye, douchbag.

Jenny
04-29-2007, 09:09 PM
AdultFilms - please don't come here and threaten the girls - either personally or professionally. For that matter, I think coming here to solicit male members would be equally inappropriate.

Wow... I have to say... I was putting up an apology for posting on the wrong side of this board and a few of you have called me "offensive" and generally attacked my business model. That's why you're not working right now and are just posting things on this forum. Attitude is very important in this industry. Mean/flakey girls don't get work, period.

You know we have a common place where we blacklist girls that are difficult, don't you?

You'll end up there faster than you can say "AIM" with an attitude like I'm seeing here.

I was trying to be nice and pipe in about how things work regarding limitations. Cleary, a lot of you girls who are just on here ready to pounce on somone who offers a helping comment are too mean and bitter to get a lot of work. None of us would hire you a second time with that kind of attitude and you would be blacklisted. In fact, I'll drop your screen names on the list right now.

I'm out of this forum. What a waste of time. Prattle on.

gingerlee
04-29-2007, 09:20 PM
AdultFilms - please don't come here and threaten the girls - either personally or professionally. For that matter, I think coming here to solicit male members would be equally inappropriate.

Thank you Jenny!

sander8son
04-30-2007, 04:01 PM
AdultFilms - please don't come here and threaten the girls - either personally or professionally. For that matter, I think coming here to solicit male members would be equally inappropriate.

I don't know, I kind of like the idea of random men paying someone else to fuck me in the ass. So respectfully Jenny, I'm going to have to ask you to get off his ass, so he can get off in mine.

hardkandee
04-30-2007, 05:11 PM
Damn, I wanted to know what company he worked for. }:D

But after reading it a few times, I think it's still in the idea stages and won't actually ever come to reality.

What an ass.

xoxo24
05-01-2007, 06:37 PM
Yep..I have my issues with AIM(they are a pain in the ass and since they are bascially a monopoly they can charge you up the butt for testing....$200 a pop for me. every month...more if I have to be tested more than once like this month..it will cost me $400 min this month to get tested) but you HAVE to have it.
Any place that doesnt require testing and you see the tests of your co-stars beforehand...RUN. Preferably be able to look up their current test online in case they have a doctored one(yes...people do this so they can work, even if they are positive for a disease. A-holes...but people are)



I agree with you. I was an adult film actress with 35+ films under my belt. I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS called the facility OR looked it up online b/c I met soo many people who were doctoring test. In the beginning, I made the huge mistake of "trusting" that a persons tests were legit, especially on orgy sets where things are always rushed anyway. But I quickly learned and never again. I remember being on the set of this one film, getting ready to do a scene and the dude handed me a blurry test. I was like "uh, how old is this test." He said "Oh I just took it like two weeks ago." I said "Ok, well IM sure that AIM would verify this for me." Low and damn behold, I called AIM, only to find out that this sneaky bastard hadnt been tested since LAST YEAR! And this was for a VERY reputable website and an even MORE reputable company!

Anyway doing porn involves a lot. Its a lot to think about it and it can take a lot out of you if you're not careful. Its somethings to consider and yes it sticks with you FOREVER. I worked primarily on the west coast but when I got back on the east, I swear I couldnt even go to the freakin' library without someone recognizing me. Its just nuts. But I loved the lifestyle....I made EXCELLENT money ...and it gave me lots of freedom. I was one of the sad cases that did not capitalize off it like I could have. BUT its time to "re-invent" and this time, I know a lot better.

Either or, good luck in your decision.....:P