View Full Version : Few than expected guys on this site - too much reality?
Bridgette
04-25-2007, 10:13 PM
Oy Vey, Phil. Unless you're now inhabiting the DR as the new housemom, how do you know how accurate that hypothetical convo is? The point being you can't. The fact you spend time with strippers without spending money doesn't somehow magically exclude you from SS.No shit. Dear Phil is obviously more deluded than most ;D
FONDL
04-26-2007, 11:01 AM
FONDL rarely visits this site anymore not because of the reality but because of the unreality of it. To oversimplify greatly, there are two types of strip clubs: the gentlemen's clubs (and the wanna-be's) and the small local dives, which are by far the more numerous. I'm a big fan of the latter and hate the former. But I find the former to be grossly over-represented here.
Madcap
04-26-2007, 11:08 AM
FONDL rarely visits this site anymore not because of the reality but because of the unreality of it. To oversimplify greatly, there are two types of strip clubs: the gentlemen's clubs (and the wanna-be's) and the small local dives, which are by far the more numerous. I'm a big fan of the latter and hate the former. But I find the former to be grossly over-represented here.
That's cool, cause not even the customers can stand you FONDL.
FONDL
04-26-2007, 11:19 AM
Thanks, Madcap, for confirming my expectations.
yoda57us
04-26-2007, 11:38 AM
Thanks, Madcap, for confirming my expectations.
LOL, FONDL, you asked for it...;)
Madcap
04-26-2007, 11:51 AM
Thanks, Madcap, for confirming my expectations.
You're very welcome, young man.
FONDL
04-26-2007, 05:02 PM
Hi, Yoda, glad you're enjoying this. It confirms my impression that people at the lowbrow clubs that you and I and the other TUSCLers frequent are often much more codial than people at the GCs. In fact I've often observed that one is much more likely to be treated as a gentleman in a local dive than in the typical gentlemen's club. Which ought to be a concern to some people here because it's costing them money.
But I do have a question for you, Madcap. The original poster here asked what I thought was a very reasonable question, which is why customers like me who obviously don't care for this site are no longer here. If you aren't interested in our responses, why are you wasting your time reading this?
Bridgette
04-26-2007, 05:11 PM
If you aren't interested in our responses, why are you wasting your time reading this?It's just entertainment.
However I haven't found that customers are more likely to be treated like gentlemen at dives - quite the opposite. It's just that you have to spend more at the GCs ;D
lestat1
04-26-2007, 05:12 PM
Yikes! What exactly did I miss while I was gone?
Bridgette
04-26-2007, 05:16 PM
^Oh, not much more than the typical drama. Most boys' egos are too fragile to allow them to hang around here long - that's the topic of the day I guess ;D
lestat1
04-26-2007, 05:34 PM
^Oh, not much more than the typical drama. Most boys' egos are too fragile to allow them to hang around here long - that's the topic of the day I guess ;D
Ahh yes, this site can be depressing. But the hostility?
Madcap
04-26-2007, 05:39 PM
But I do have a question for you, Madcap. The original poster here asked what I thought was a very reasonable question, which is why customers like me who obviously don't care for this site are no longer here. If you aren't interested in our responses, why are you wasting your time reading this?
Question posted, question answered. Frankly, FONDL, I just don't give a hoot who isn't here. What i find annoying is that your original post in this thread can double for 900 other posts you've made over the couple years i've been checking this site out.
We get it FONDL. You think things should be different. There is no need to repeat yourself.
To any newer faces reading this, i'm not bullshitting you... run a search on this clown, he parrots the same line of crap over and over and over and over and over and over...
With that, i'm done. Before JZ comes in and starts kicking some ass...
Bridgette
04-26-2007, 05:48 PM
Ahh yes, this site can be depressing. But the hostility?
What hostility? It's a site for strippers and the boys are guests, as always. Sometimes the boys have to put in their places. No more, no less.
Jenny
04-26-2007, 06:08 PM
Ahh yes, this site can be depressing. But the hostility?Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I would say what you perceive as "hostility" is just territoriality. Personally I don't mind guys reading wherever they want on the site; I do get a little irritable when they start either:
acting like this site should cater or be set up for them ("why isn't there a "men's only" section?" "I don't like being censored just because I'm a man"),
when they start acting like they are in strip club as opposed to an industry centered and supporting website. Sort of like going into Starbucks corporate offices and demanding the VP of Sales make you a latte. ("you girls should be grateful that people like me exist, so start being nice to me tout de suite" or "this site ruined strip club experiences for me; all you girls are so bitter and mean"),
when they just act full out stupid ("why aren't there exhaustive and rigorous guidelines pertaining to when men can post in Stripping General? I don't want to use judgment; I want to toe the EXACT line of being either offensive or annoying") AND (finally)
when they are what I call "mystery guests" ("I don't like strippers, I'm not interested in strippers, and none of you have any particular appeal to me. I'm not fooled by the fact that you're strippers. You're not particularly special. I just went home and googled "Stripper" and joined "stripperweb" because "accountingweb", "plumberweb" and "juggglerweb" weren't loading. You're all boring and not that great. I'm unimpressed with strippers.").When I put it like that, I'm sure you get it.
Jenny
04-26-2007, 06:11 PM
With that, i'm done. Before JZ comes in and starts kicking some ass...Nicely said - since I can kick your ass too now (don't worry - I promise to use my power for good not evil). I would personally appreciate it hugely if everyone followed this lead.
lestat1
04-26-2007, 06:28 PM
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I would say what you perceive as "hostility" is just territoriality. Personally I don't mind guys reading wherever they want on the site; I do get a little irritable when they start either:
acting like this site should cater or be set up for them ("why isn't there a "men's only" section?" "I don't like being censored just because I'm a man"),
when they start acting like they are in strip club as opposed to an industry centered and supporting website. Sort of like going into Starbucks corporate offices and demanding the VP of Sales make you a latte. ("you girls should be grateful that people like me exist, so start being nice to me tout de suite" or "this site ruined strip club experiences for me; all you girls are so bitter and mean"),
when they just act full out stupid ("why aren't there exhaustive and rigorous guidelines pertaining to when men can post in Stripping General? I don't want to use judgment; I want to toe the EXACT line of being either offensive or annoying") AND (finally)
when they are what I call "mystery guests" ("I don't like strippers, I'm not interested in strippers, and none of you have any particular appeal to me. I'm not fooled by the fact that you're strippers. You're not particularly special. I just went home and googled "Stripper" and joined "stripperweb" because "accountingweb", "plumberweb" and "juggglerweb" weren't loading. You're all boring and not that great. I'm unimpressed with strippers.").When I put it like that, I'm sure you get it.
Sorry, I meant the hostility towards FONDL. The last time I posted here regularly (which I admit was quite a while ago) he'd wasn't a pariah, at least not that I remember.
Bridgette
04-26-2007, 06:31 PM
So uh Jenny, does that mean you might kick my ass or just bitchslap me. If I get a choice, I think I'd take the bitchslapping, unless of course you're gonna pick the one I don't want and then I don't want you to bitchslap me.
;D
And lestat, FONDL is just f'in annoying - pretty much what madcap already pointed out.
Casual Observer
04-26-2007, 06:56 PM
It confirms my impression that people at the lowbrow clubs that you and I and the other TUSCLers frequent are often much more codial than people at the GCs. In fact I've often observed that one is much more likely to be treated as a gentleman in a local dive than in the typical gentlemen's club. Which ought to be a concern to some people here because it's costing them money.
Huh? What the fuck are you talking about? Every time I leave a local dive without getting into a fight, I consider that a victory, yet I never think about that at high-end clubs.
SportsWriter2
04-26-2007, 07:06 PM
Having read through all the deconstruction, I think Phil's the one who's got it down: Just be the ride. :-\
crizgolfer
04-26-2007, 07:27 PM
What drew me here was my experiences in the clubs. I will readily admit that before I started going into clubs I pretty much had the stereotype belief about strippers...dumb, drug abusers, whatever. Actually, I never even thought about them.
I went into a club for the first time out of pure boredom and restlessness in the midst of a long and taxing period of work. I went in with no expecations. Not even sure what my motivation was for going. Just wanted to get out of a hotel room, try something different, not really sure.
What I discovered was a couple gourgeous, intelligent, and interesting young women. It surprised me and I had a wonerful time. I have been "hooked" ever since.
When I found Stripperweb, I found it interesting. I enjoyed learning more about these ladies in general. I read hustle hut. Sometime I laugh, because I can relate one of the Hustles to one that had been tried on me.
The strip club is a place of fantasy and I enjoy my time there very much. But I value honesty. I see that here and I respect it.
Later!
Docido
04-26-2007, 08:50 PM
Fondl, I'd wager that most of the dancers on this site work in dives or your local neighborhood strip joints. You're claim that high-end clubs are over-represented here is flat out wrong. Just read any of the infamous "Stripper Hall of Shame" posts as a reality check.
Santos
04-26-2007, 10:04 PM
It's just entertainment.
However I haven't found that customers are more likely to be treated like gentlemen at dives - quite the opposite. It's just that you have to spend more at the GCs ;D
I have to agree with Bridgette on this.
I've been to many real gentlemen's clubs and many dives, and I can say without hesitation that I prefer a great gentleman's club far more than any dive I've visited.
However, I do agree with FONDL: the Pink site is frequented primarily by dancers from higher-end clubs. And for me, that's a good thing. Frankly I left my "working class" roots behind many years ago.
Madcap
04-27-2007, 01:31 AM
when they are what I call "mystery guests" ("I don't like strippers, I'm not interested in strippers, and none of you have any particular appeal to me. I'm not fooled by the fact that you're strippers. You're not particularly special. I just went home and googled "Stripper" and joined "stripperweb" because "accountingweb", "plumberweb" and "juggglerweb" weren't loading. You're all boring and not that great. I'm unimpressed with strippers.").
I'll say it, i like Strippers. But none of you internet people have particular appeal to me. }:D You are internet people.
I like some of you fine, but it takes flesh and blood... you know? Not looking for jollies, here. I figure that might be part of why the dudes who DO stay, stay in the first place. We slid in not looking for porn in the first place.
Some of us guys are getting what they came for, what that is no clue, the guys that leave were expecting threads along the likes of "How do i cut my coke best" or "what's the best way to take a facial?" Those guys NEED to hit the road. Back off to be fleeced by the local atf, while she promises him the world.
People come and then leave for whatever reason, who gives a fuck? Worry about who's here (*looks at a certain parrot and then runs from Jenny*).
All Good Things
04-27-2007, 11:25 PM
Having read through all the deconstruction, I think Phil's the one who's got it down: Just be the ride. :-\
Oh Sporty, what emasculated demon has seized control of your body and mind? This is so unlike you. I am all for safe havens, but all in the proper context. As in: it's all a matter of timing.
No disrespect to Phil at all, but if I ever become so safe that there is no sneaking, growing, knawing interest, or ultimately this tugging curiosity or irresistible itch, or just plain fucking confusion now and again, then something is desperately wrong.
There will never be a time, not ever, that I will fail to take care of a dancer financially, often far beyond what is expected or reasonable, extending into OTC and wire transfers and courier deliveries and God knows what else with no strings attached or expectations or subtle suggestion. Not ever.
But as you know, better than most, you should always allow for the genuine interest that will on occasion sneak up on you and come at you in full force from the other direction. There are many reasons that this can be appealing, the most compelling of which is that they are unexpected, or surprising or overwhelming in a way that it is so forceful that it hits you with the power of a tsunami.
It's always the waves that strike at your back that knock you down because you don't really see them coming at all.
SportsWriter2
05-02-2007, 08:34 PM
But as you know, better than most, you should always allow for the genuine interest that will on occasion sneak up on you and come at you in full force from the other direction.
I remember my ATF freak leaving for Florida and saying, "We f*cked it up for everyone else we'll ever meet." My ATF student graduates this month. She was so good that I never want to tutor anyone else.
I've already found the best in every category I care about. It's okay to just be the ride for a while and have good memories. :-\
datchapin
05-03-2007, 06:52 PM
Ahh yes, this site can be depressing. But the hostility?
I don't know about hostility, but I disagree that this site is depressing. I like going on various sections. Whenever a girl bitches about a customer I feel great because I think... I'm better than that dumbass. lol. I go to the ladies only section }:D (What, I don't post.) they got this thread on preferred sizes and uncut and you know what those threads make me feel like the shit! (in a good way.) I guess it can be depressing to some, but I love this site.
Eques
05-16-2007, 02:30 AM
This website is probably 70-90% of the reason why I have stopped going to strip clubs entirely.
I don't even visit this website all that often anymore. Though at the moment I have a question I wouldn't mind fielding the ladies here... but well I'm not quite inebriated enough to actually ask it of an anonymous internet audience.
/edit/ Hmm perhaps I should explain why.
Basically I think the kind of guy who wants to come and post on this site frequently is someone who goes to clubs often and enjoys understanding how they work, the people inside them and also still enjoys the club while knowing those things. I easily grasped the underlying mechanics of a stripclub within my first visit, fleshed it out even more as I read this forum and made myself something of a regular for a bit over a year. I had understood the whole thing within the first few months. Appreciated it for a bit and then basically I came to the conclusion that I was spending my days and nights around basically the same people (salesmen/women) and got tired of it and no longer feel like going to clubs because really its a sales environment. The products may be different but I spend my days selling people, I don't want to spend my nights getting sold.
BlackSheEp3
05-17-2007, 03:43 PM
I just joined this site to learn more about how strip clubs work, how the "dancers" like to hustle the "pathetic loser", etc.
sadbuttrue
05-17-2007, 05:49 PM
Joshua (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0009980/): A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
Yet we do it anyway!
>>>Sad<<<
barcusberry
05-17-2007, 09:30 PM
I just re-join ed this site to re-post the post that got me banned. It was not for being rude, or appoaching internet folks... just plain old egos...... sad.
I had some fun on here, and met a couple of friendly people - real or not.
I didn't care. I came here for two reasons. I was looking for the name of a song that I heard one night, and I still don't have a clue what the song is, but a search kept bring up this site.
So I checked it out as a guest, and then joined for one reason. I was engaged to a girl who I am still very good friends with, and found what I was looking for - honest opinions about a subject that I would not talk to my friends about. For me it was real, I knew what I had experienced and I wanted a WOMAN's view. Where else to find women except backstage at the Iguana - know what I mean - no bullshit.
I made friends with a few folks on here who I have exchanged emails with - casual, I am not interested in e-dating, I AM; however interested in e-friends.
Anyway, to a couple of trusted and very helpful women here, I asked my question about a non-dance thing. Truth be told, it was more of a substance issue than anything, and they gave me insightful opinions that helped me to find my own clarity about what was up for me.
I have been around the club scene for YEARs, been laid, loved, and hated. Can't remember the first club, but it was like 35 or more years ago. I know the game, accept it and help out by not wasting time and making some girls nights a little better money-wise. RARELY, I have gone to see bands with a few, dinner with a couple, and almost married one. Hey if this was a site of dentists and my lady was a dentist, I might find this site useful. I have to agree with most of the opinions that say, guys that come here for the wrong reason, can't deal with the reality.
I used to like to pop in and get a little cerebral stimulation remembering old and new band's songs, and I found some other aspects interesting.
I like clubs for a few reasons; the music, the women, and the booze. I have been in clubs all over the US and in Europe, and the draw is the same, women and the more naked the better, being honest. The sex, if that's what you want to call it, is the draw for most of my friends, and there is NO sex on this site - so my friends could care less about exchanging ideas with women, hey they have their girlfriends for that. That fits about 95% of the 20% of my friends that frequent SCs. The other 80% feel it's a waste of time and money. My personal opinion is that for the clubs I have been in, I got my money's worth. I wanted companionship (brief) and got it, I wanted to see nudity and got it, I wanted a hint of sex and got that, and only when I was drinking a lot did I go to places where contact is king, and got it.
The only reason I came back here was to post my little thread for fun and, yes ego. It was promptly deleted about an hour ago, and I have to laugh every time I hear that song used on TV in ads (Heineken), cause it was the innocent name of the thread. There are very sensitive people here, and what we can't deal with we kill - with angry words, by ignoring, or by overt actions of power.
I am positive this is a good site for strippers. If I start stripping I may be back, till then farewell!
I will fondly think of all of you as dancing green bottles till then!
cheers,
Big 10 Inch
Star Player
06-06-2007, 07:35 PM
I have found the site informative but feel there is a hostility / denial of reality here towards players who seek fun otc. Strip Clubbing as a hobby for me is not just about itc anymore than football is just about the running game. Like a trophy room I have many CD's of photos / photo albums of sc gals I have dated otc over the years. Many of the photos are bikini others nude. I may even publish a book one of these days. Some of these have found their way to privatevoyer.com
jaizaine
06-06-2007, 07:47 PM
:laughing: :laughing: :rotfl:
sun child
06-06-2007, 09:30 PM
Wow Star Player. You deserve many cookies.
White & Nerdy
06-09-2007, 06:39 PM
I once had a dancer tell me about the other customers she had during the shift and the crazy things they did. It was quite funny. As I work in Customer Relations, I understand about getting unclassy and strange customers. I understand how it feels like to be verbally abused and threatened. Heck, if a customer doesn't threaten to get me fired, it wasn't a good shift! :) But I rather enjoy reading what happens behind the scenes. It's interesting and it makes me want to act more like a gentleman and treat a dancer more respectful than I already do. My saying is "Better to be a gentleman than a jerk."
Luthor Dare
06-09-2007, 11:42 PM
Just thought I'd pop in for my first, & possibly only, post. I don't recall exactly how I found I found this site, was probably looking up some topic on google & got a link to a thread here.
Truthfully, I'm not into stripping, & have never been to a strip club. I certainly don't object to it on any sort of moral grounds, I've got far too much porn on my harddrive to be a prude, it just never interested me. I don't know, something about the idea of going to a club & paying money to some woman so that she can take off her clothes in front of me, dance around a little, & then I go home, just seems pointless. Like, big deal, what's in it for me? If I'm gonna spend money on a woman to see her naked I'll just go to a brothel so I can get the same thing PLUS have sex afterwards.
But that's just me.
Anyway, I started reading the threads & got some interesting insights. I praticularly enjoy the Ladies Only forum. It's nice to get some uncensored female opinions on everything from interracial dating to penis size. So I check this place out from time to time when I have nothing else to do. I only eventually signed up because there were a few times when I wanted to click on a link to see a picture, but you have to be logged in for that.
Crazy E
06-10-2007, 01:20 AM
With all this talk of the realities of the business overshadowing the fantasies for us blokes, it's time to offer my $0.02 on it.
I've always known that, romantically speaking, I wouldn't stand much of a chance with dancers, but at the same time, it's not going to stop me from enjoying the time I spend with them in the clubs.
So it's best to keep the reality of it all in the back of your mind. Sure, talking about real things with the girls is always a great thing, but just enjoy the fantasy anyway.
Voovegas
08-14-2007, 06:28 PM
I searched out a site like this after going to a SC last weekend. I guess my main curiousity is whether strippers are just normal people with a bizarre job or are bizarre people with a bizarre job. I probably go to a club every 3-6 months and I always leave curoius about the life of a stripper.
In only a couples days I've read several things already that were pretty shocking or eye openers. I'm more naive than I thought.
bgrimsle
08-14-2007, 11:22 PM
I read through this site a great deal back in 2005 when I dated a couple of strippers. Wanted to know as much as possible about the clubs, dancers in general, etc.
Returned recently because I have a friend who is a dancer who is involved in a custody battle for her son (her profession is an issue, unfortunately). Scanned some posts about this.
I suspect the average casual SC customer doesn't have enough incentive to spend valuable time getting in-depth knowledge at this subject, what do they really care?
Lapaholic
08-15-2007, 01:10 PM
If guys dont stay here because seeing what's posted here breaks there ILLUSION - then great IMHO... I mean if they dont know its an illusion then they are delusional. Maybe if more guys like Jeff of voltabianca fame read the threads here there would be less Jeffs and stalkers and what not!! Or maybe a little less. Hell it wont affect the real weirdos. But its not healthy to believe in the illusion now is it?
But what I came here for was - I dont know. I found the site I guess in a link on TUSCL. Ive stayed because I like forums firstly and I have discovered that the ladies here are bright, articulate and very funny!!!.. And this is also true of the guys on the blue side. ( I swear I am not kissing up!!! ) . But really I think thats what u truly look for in a forum . U may come here for the common interest but u stay cause the posters have some real insight, humor and empathy. And there are some darn good writers here. Ive even added some words to my vocab and that always a plus!!!
Thats me of course YMMV ;)
Katrine
08-15-2007, 08:37 PM
The mods are pussies!!! Drunk with deletion power...lol!
Jenny
08-15-2007, 08:39 PM
That was me. Although if you guys want to, you are free to sling insult via PM. Hmm? Something to look forward to?
crizgolfer
08-15-2007, 08:52 PM
Huh....guess I missed all the "action."
Deogol
08-15-2007, 10:40 PM
Huh....guess I missed all the "action."
No you didn't and best you don't get involved for your own sake.
Just keep living in the illusion. That's how they like it here.
Triton
08-17-2007, 12:59 AM
I have to be honest this site has given me my faith in strippers back.I used to work as a DJ up north but after moving to Florida I got really down on strip clubs b/c of the high contact,all the touching,the groping,the grabbing that's not my thing.I originally came here to gain insight into a girl I'm seeing who works as a stripper b/c she doesn't like to talk about work with me.I used to go about once a week and the only reason I went was to get to know her.I stopped after I started seeing her b/c I didn't think it was a good idea for me to go anymore.Plus I didn't like them down here anyway.So I haven't been to one now in years.Since I am involved with a stripper I wasn't sure if reading the posts here would be a good idea or not but like I said it's reaffirmed my faith in strippers and to some extent customers.I like hearing it's just biz and all about money it's actually made my relationship with her better.So thanks to all for that.I have learned it's not a good idea for me to go to the blue side tho.
benin
08-26-2007, 09:20 AM
I find this site quite intriguing, to be honest. Its not the "OMG I get to talk to strippers!!!" factor at all. I just find it interesting to read through the tactics everyone uses, as well as any stories everyone may have about their experiences.
As for why there may not be more men.. well I'm sure they're more motivated for a more porn-oriented website.
Macnee2
09-07-2007, 01:21 AM
I read, I post, I get my ass handed to me when I deserve it due to being fouled up. Lots of good old fashioned honesty on these forums. There's not much posted here in these forums that has shocked me, I still go to my local club and enjoy the interactions as much as I did before coming to these forums.
Star Player
09-07-2007, 06:50 PM
I like this site, it gives me a lot of insight into dancers and their motivations and strategies.