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RoseWhite
04-15-2007, 09:44 PM
I just thought of something... it never says that those barbs are painful... they're microscopic... what if it's like a small ouch that just hooks a condom on so when the guy comes, you don't get a disease? Nowhere does it say those hooks actually HURT... I mean, if they're small enough they'd just feel like little pieces of fur stuck in your skin.

Edit: Actually, where the hell does it even say it's microscopic?

I decided to look it up before I started posting opinions about it.

From Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_female_condom)


The anti-rape female condom (aka anti-rape condom, intended brand name Rapex) was invented by Sonette Ehlers, a South African woman. It is intended to prevent rape by hooking onto an attacker's penis, hurting and disabling him.

The device is a latex sheath held firm by shafts of sharp, inward-facing microscopic barbs that would be worn by a woman in her vagina like a tampon. Should an attacker attempt vaginal rape, the penis would penetrate the latex and be hooked by the barbs, causing the attacker pain and (ideally) giving the victim time to escape. The condom would remain attached to the attacker's body and could be removed only surgically, which would alert hospital staff and police.

Also:
http://www.rapestop.net/faq/index.asp

phairestofthemall
04-15-2007, 11:48 PM
My bf does a lotta humanitarian stuff in Africa, and he's mentioned this before- apparently guys limp into clinics with these a fair bit. I think it's a good thing, especially in places where rape is rampant- it has the immediate benefits mentioned as well as providing a deterrant if the locals know they're out there.

Hatshepsut
04-16-2007, 12:02 AM
My bf does a lotta humanitarian stuff in Africa, and he's mentioned this before- apparently guys limp into clinics with these a fair bit. I think it's a good thing, especially in places where rape is rampant- it has the immediate benefits mentioned as well as providing a deterrant if the locals know they're out there.
Oooohhhh what happens to these guys? Investigation? Report? Being hung from trees by their ankles and beaten?

Embyr
04-16-2007, 12:23 AM
My bf does a lotta humanitarian stuff in Africa, and he's mentioned this before- apparently guys limp into clinics with these a fair bit. I think it's a good thing, especially in places where rape is rampant- it has the immediate benefits mentioned as well as providing a deterrant if the locals know they're out there.

... i have really not known what to say about this thread... at least THIS tells me the condoms are "working" ... but like others have said, you are still RAPED, even if it is one thrust, and it is a revenge mechanism first and foremost...

even if guys ARE coming into clinics to get these removed, what actions are taken next??? a slap on the wrist? a "I hope your dick is ok, man?" Do the authorities actually look for the raped woman? Do they persecute the guy?? A female condom is NOT going to work if the justice system and police system in the area of concern have a long history of totally disavowing women's needs and ignoring their cries.

Yes, perhaps that was the original intent of the condom... to address the lack of societal care for rape/rape victims, but I would also be afraid of backlash from the perpetrator at the time of the rape.

Embyr
04-16-2007, 12:27 AM
but wasn't the rapist going to ejaculate inside anyways?

at least now the rapist is marked and the victim has some chance of fleeing since he's incapacitated, hopefully. i see it as the device would provide some protection at least (like a typical condom would).

... umm, many rapists don't ejaculate. It's power, not sex. But yes, I also see this, strange as it is (to say the least) as positive... though not necessarily a "push in the right direction"... by itself it still remains a smart idea.

pinkpvc
04-16-2007, 01:21 AM
if they had it here i would use it. Yes it's not perfect but it must increase the odds of you being able to get away,reduces the risk of contracting an std, and probably would go someway towards deterring a rapist to try the same thing again on another woman.
i don't really see it a revenge mechanism although i can see what you are saying.
I would think a guys first reaction from having barbs stuck in his penis would be at least 10 seconds of "WTF!", which would hopefully allow the victim to get away before the attacker got to the stage of turning violent

Mastridonicus
04-16-2007, 04:22 AM
Yes, perhaps that was the original intent of the condom... to address the lack of societal care for rape/rape victims, but I would also be afraid of backlash from the perpetrator at the time of the rape.

You could really, compare it this way.

Say you went out on a date with someone and you became a little to sexually forward, all of a sudden you're in an ASSload of pain, and your vagina is the source.

THAT'S ALL you know.

Confusion,

You look down and see something hanging out of you, and if you touch it, you want to cry more.

Confusion,

You look up to say "WHAT THE FUCK" oh look, he's running away and if you step towards him you want to cry and you still have no idea what it is inside of you.

I'm just trying to figure out here.

Even if it was ONLY 5 seconds. In a rape attempt, that's a LONG TIME, and someone could have a GREAT head start, which is what he didn't have without the damn thing.

Even if it's a wrap up, infection inspection, and a kiss on the cheek then sending the dude back out into the world. It's gotten him off of YOU, but lets hope it's more like full intent rape charges.

Optimist
04-16-2007, 06:51 AM
^^^^^ I agree, Mast, I'd rather take a chance with the claw than go without.

Embyr
04-16-2007, 08:00 AM
^^^^^ I agree, Mast, I'd rather take a chance with the claw than go without.

i agreed with it too.... ?? i'm simply saying it's sad that there's a need for women to wear it, period. as in, I don't feel I need to wear an anti-rape condom when I go walking around in long beach, but if I were a woman in a refugee camp where raping parties go tent to tent i suppose it would be different... and there is VERY little punishment for the crime in many of these politically unstable societies/areas.

Mastridonicus
04-16-2007, 09:46 AM
Well the need for prevention is as deplorable as the act.

I really feel scared for the doctor who has to remove one of these things and keeping it to himself under doctor/patient privilege.

Or even worse, the doctor who sees it in the E.R. room who cares about someone who's been raped and taking out HIS rage on the perp.

I know a few, and I work from time to time doing computers in a hospital that deals in that part of the body.

If I EVER heard a guy say he needed one of those things removed, it'd take every bit of me to maintain composure, and his (hopefully) non-sedated screams of pain during it's removal would be music to my ears.

Lena
04-16-2007, 10:13 AM
The rape statistics in South Africa are through the roof; something like 25% of adult women are raped or something...

Yeah, here too. I mean, I know the statistics vary and are controversial, but it seems like 1 in 5 is pretty widely accepted (and that stat came from college students, so it only applied to the first 20-odd years of their lives). Why is it that 1 in 4 in SA is through the roof, but 1 in 5 here is just business as usual?

rozz
04-16-2007, 10:47 AM
The rape statistics in South Africa are through the roof; something like 25% of adult women are raped or something.


Yeah, here too. I mean, I know the statistics vary and are controversial, but it seems like 1 in 5 is pretty widely accepted (and that stat came from college students, so it only applied to the first 20-odd years of their lives). Why is it that 1 in 4 in SA is through the roof, but 1 in 5 here is just business as usual?

I was wondering if I was going to be the first to point this out. *sigh*

Paintbaby
04-16-2007, 10:55 AM
Anything that can offer some trauma to a rapist is not a bad thing, in my eyes.

Optimist
04-16-2007, 12:22 PM
^^^^Yup Yup!

Casual Observer
04-16-2007, 04:02 PM
This is not new; similar devices have been around since the Victorian age, and while this device is arguably more practical, it's certainly not likely to see widespread adoption.

Clark
04-17-2007, 11:00 PM
Yeah, here too. I mean, I know the statistics vary and are controversial, but it seems like 1 in 5 is pretty widely accepted (and that stat came from college students, so it only applied to the first 20-odd years of their lives). Why is it that 1 in 4 in SA is through the roof, but 1 in 5 here is just business as usual?

Because that one in five figure is based on a definition of rape that's so broad as to be meaningless. Women weren't asked if they'd been raped. They asked if they'd been penetrated by anythign when they didn't want to be. Taking heavy petting farther than one party intended is rape by this definition. It's very difficult to get real figures because of the dual problem oof actual rapes going unreported for various reasons and the incredibly high number of false reports compared to other crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

I can see this being very useful. I can also see it being misused. Any area where it would be needed is in pretty sad shape.

Lysondra
04-17-2007, 11:18 PM
^ Are you saying a man sticking his finger in me after I say no isn't rape...?

Clark
04-17-2007, 11:32 PM
^ Are you saying a man sticking his finger in me after I say no isn't rape...?

No. I'm definitely not saying that. I'm saying that if a man and a woman are engaged in some consensual, heavy under-clothes petting and he sticks a finger in her, btu she didn't want to go that far,t hough she hadn't actually spelled out how far she wanted to go because that's not really something people do, by the definition used to derive the one in five figure, she has been raped. I don't see how this is a reasonable definition. Vaguely defined boundries does not equal rape. I'm having trouble finding anything that looks statistically sound, unfortunately.

Lysondra
04-17-2007, 11:43 PM
Everyone' definition of rape is different. Same with molestation. I was grabbed in a casino.. some girls here said I should've let it go.. but in my eyes, I was molested. Just like a man grabbing a girl's ass at a bar. Is she molested? Depends on her. So rape is a very fluid definition.

STEN_(d_slammd_1)
04-17-2007, 11:44 PM
Rape doesnt have to be physical (though almost all cases it is) to leave the damage behind in a women/man. Just the idea of "He tried to rape and I got away" still has its effect on people. Coming from a male, I like the idea of this, but as some have said its more of a revenge tool. I would love nothing more than to see every rapist hung from a tree by his penis! Then after a couple of hours cut that fucker off!!!

Lena
04-17-2007, 11:48 PM
I agree that the one in five stat wasn't derived scientifically. It was a study done by a magazine, if I recall right, and how scientific can that be? But it is an accepted middle of the road number.

I did my own "study" once, and asked every woman I knew. Three out of four women that I know have been raped or were sexually abused as children.

Here's another debatable statistic. Less than one percent of reported rapes are prosecuted in the US (see Judith Herman, Trauma and Recovery).

I did my own study again. Out of all of the women I know, only one's rapist had gone to jail. Later I worked with kids who had been abused and neglected, and none of the abusers went to jail (including a two year old girl who had been raped by her father and there was a lot of physical evidence besides her testimony... but since a two year old can't name a date the DA can't fill out the form to prosecute, oh well).

So, at least from my corner of the world, it looks like women get raped a hell of a lot in this culture and there are hardly ever consequences for the rapists. Rape is ignored and condoned by the culture and the criminal justice system. That's a big problem.

Lola Rose
04-18-2007, 08:54 AM
If I was truely afraid of being raped, I'd wear it. I'm hardly ever alone, though, and I feel safe. But if I was on my own in miami or something, hell ya.

I also think it'd be very healing to know that you fought back and didn't just get attacked without a chance to retaliate. Also that the scumbag has to go to a doctor to get it off.

Besides, if I was raped, I swear on my life, I'd get find someone to kill the man. I swear I would. Hell, I have an ex crazy and in love with me enough to do it. Justice in the court system is to liberal, subjetive, and with the burdon of proof, most rape cases don't even go to trial, much less get put away.

Lysondra
04-18-2007, 03:41 PM
If I was truely afraid of being raped, I'd wear it. I'm hardly ever alone, though, and I feel safe. But if I was on my own in miami or something, hell ya.

I also think it'd be very healing to know that you fought back and didn't just get attacked without a chance to retaliate. Also that the scumbag has to go to a doctor to get it off.

Besides, if I was raped, I swear on my life, I'd get find someone to kill the man. I swear I would. Hell, I have an ex crazy and in love with me enough to do it. Justice in the court system is to liberal, subjetive, and with the burdon of proof, most rape cases don't even go to trial, much less get put away.

But you would. A girl I know was raped and killed the rapist with a plastic spoon. Since she actually went back for the plastic spoon before killing him, it was deemed 'premeditated murder' and she was sentenced 8 years.

I never did learn how she killed him with the spoon though.

Lola Rose
04-18-2007, 03:45 PM
But you would. A girl I know was raped and killed the rapist with a plastic spoon. Since she actually went back for the plastic spoon before killing him, it was deemed 'premeditated murder' and she was sentenced 8 years.

I never did learn how she killed him with the spoon though.

she needed a better lawyer. And espically more selective/better jury selection.

PrettyCurlieQ
04-18-2007, 03:45 PM
Rapist: "Shut the fuck up and don't move!"
Victim: "Okay. Before you get down to business, please excuse me while I insert this anti-rape device."

??

Lysondra
04-18-2007, 03:50 PM
she needed a better lawyer. And espically more selective/better jury selection.

The law is the law. Just because you killed someone as a revenge tactic and not as self-defence doesn't mean it was alright or legal. Killing him while he's raping you is one thing... sending a hitman after him after the subject is a whoooole other ball game.

Circe
04-18-2007, 03:55 PM
How do you kill someone with a plastic spoon? :O

Lysondra
04-18-2007, 04:00 PM
How do you kill someone with a plastic spoon? :O

I don't know!! I wish I had the chance to ask her at the time and now I'll never know! :(

Yekhefah
04-18-2007, 04:04 PM
In prison they make shanks out of plasticware by melting the plastic and thinning it, sharpening it to a blade. By the time it dries and hardens, it's sharp enough to kill. Sure, it'll probably break too, but you only need to use it once and it's most likely gonna break off inside the victim and cause even more damage. Jeffrey Dahmer was killed this way.

With a spoon, she could've just made a prison shank out of the handle and stabbed him with it.

Lola Rose
04-18-2007, 04:11 PM
The law is the law. Just because you killed someone as a revenge tactic and not as self-defence doesn't mean it was alright or legal. Killing him while he's raping you is one thing... sending a hitman after him after the subject is a whoooole other ball game.

frankly, if someone rapes me they deserve it. And I'd bet every dime I have that I'd get off scott free.

Lola Rose
04-18-2007, 04:12 PM
and even if I dont, oh well. I'd rather be locked up and just do appeals then have my rapist doing it to others.

Yekhefah
04-18-2007, 04:14 PM
^^^ Agreed. Though I can't see myself having a man do it for me. If some vermin raped me, I'd kill him my damn self and not feel the least bit bad about it. I'd hate to know there was a rapist walking around and I never stopped him; I'd feel responsible for his subsequent attacks.

Lola Rose
04-18-2007, 04:17 PM
exactly. ^^^ Ya, I would want to do it myself. I'd buy a gun, and shoot his fucking dick off. but it would be nice to have someone with me, just in case he overpowered me again.