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britt244
04-16-2007, 04:46 PM
they also said that after he entered the building, he chained the doors shut so no one could get out.

mollyzmoon
04-16-2007, 05:45 PM
How in the Hell was he able to shoot so many people before he was stopped? God. Did he have an automatic weapon?

Fucking guns. Fucking, fucking guns.

Psychotic acts like this are horrid. Fuck guns, ohmygod. I hate them so much. I know it's complicated, etc etc, but you can't pull that shit with a knife.

Sorry, I'm just so Rousseauian. It's hard to have faith in humanity.

britt244
04-16-2007, 05:48 PM
on the news, they said he had 2 guns and then more ammo that could be quickly loaded.. i dont know much about guns. on the msnbc website, there are audio clips, and one was from a guy who got shot in the arm. he said the guy came in and after he left they all had to barricade the door because he tried to get in again. i guess there wasnt much anyone could do to stop him without getting killed themselves :(

Melvis
04-16-2007, 05:59 PM
Hrmm...

Are we surprised an Engineering department at a University made an Asian guy crack? I, for one, am not. Damn, if it's this bad for someone @ Va Tech, I can't imagine what MIT or CalTech could do to an Asian brotha'...

Fuck Jack Thompson and his opportunistic ass. Being part of the video game industry, I'd love nothing more than to see his ass exiled to Botswana or some other place similar to perish. Watch my beloved EA stocks fall now... that jerk.

Anyone else surprised the campus didn't shut down immediately after the first shootings took place? If text msgs/internet were the means of communication for people to know something was wrong, that's just troubling...

ArmySGT.
04-16-2007, 06:27 PM
My schools stellar idea in response to todays events was to put the fat heifer that works security in the cafeteria with a radio during dinner. Oh harass the gunsmithing students too.

Kaylinn
04-16-2007, 06:54 PM
So sad. What is wrong with some people?

GoldCoastGirl
04-16-2007, 09:33 PM
Naturally the ONE exchange student from Australia is now a mini celebrity due to this here in Australia. She wasn't anywhere near the shooting yet was around it as such.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21570975-2,00.html

Things that have been said about the story here in this country is similiar to what I have already read here and heard on the news.

The other thing is that one morning show presenter was going on about how GW was giving his condolences whilst at the same time saying (in a way) it's your god given right to bear arms.

Has your country NOT learnt a THING?! The right to bear arms is hurting you! It always has and always will and always will be the main reason I will NEVER want to be anything other than Australian.

Here it is much harder to get weapons. We have shootings. We have massacres. Just not as common as it seems as your country and it isn't due to population numbers either imo.

Anyway, what a way to start the day!

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21570639-2,00.html

scarlett_vancouver
04-16-2007, 09:35 PM
This is so sad and sick. It reminds me of the 1989 shooting at the engineering school at the University of Montreal when Marc Lepine walked into a classroom, told the men to leave, and shot the women. When he was done, he had killed 14 women, injured 10 more, as well as 4 men. That story just rocked Canada at the time. I feel so bad for the victim's families here---the last thing you would expect is that your children are going to get mown down by gunfire while they are pursuing a higher education.

That's exactly what I thought of. It's dangerous to be an Engineering student. :(

What IS it with mid-April and mass killings in the US? Seriously. Is it exam time stress? The Hitler connection? Wth. Oklahoma City, Columbine, this...

yogibear179
04-16-2007, 09:44 PM
gosh,. what a seriously sick person... wonder if they will ever find out why

mollyzmoon
04-16-2007, 09:46 PM
^^^I also thought of Lepine (though he was November I think)- it's the engineering thing, you're right. All that pressure or something. At least in this case it wasn't "boo girls", but that's hardly a consolation, obviously.

Susan-Va
04-16-2007, 09:51 PM
Fucking guns. Fucking, fucking guns.

Psychotic acts like this are horrid. Fuck guns, ohmygod. I hate them so much. I know it's complicated, etc etc, but you can't pull that shit with a knife.



If this guy wanted to kill people he could have just as easliy done it with a knife. This guy may have been fucked up but he knew what he was doing. It has nothing to do with his weapon of choice.

I may be getting off topic here but as a gun owner I have a problem with that comment. It's not the gun it's the person who uses it.

I did hear on one of the news reports about how easy it is to get a gun in the south. All I had to do when I purchased mine here in Virginia was give my drivers liscense and a background check was done on me by the state police. It's easy if you don't have a record but how are the state police or anybody else supposed to know what you intend to do with the gun. And we ahatever reason. This guy could have had his gun for years, like me, I've had mine for five years.

The bottom line is, don't blame the gun, blame the mother fucker that pulled the trigger.

britt244
04-16-2007, 09:53 PM
i personally agree with that ^. even if it wasnt easy to legally get a gun, people find ways. and if someone is crazy enough to want to kill people, they'll find a way. banning guys, making them harder to get, anything, won't stop things.

Nautilus
04-17-2007, 03:55 AM
i guess those of us who aren't american will never understand why you feel you *need* that right.

it just sucks that people are so unhappy they need to do something so major and drastic like this. that said, the engineering block at my old school was a creepy little place...

Chrissy68
04-17-2007, 04:21 AM
If this guy wanted to kill people he could have just as easliy done it with a knife. This guy may have been fucked up but he knew what he was doing. It has nothing to do with his weapon of choice.

I may be getting off topic here but as a gun owner I have a problem with that comment. It's not the gun it's the person who uses it.

I did hear on one of the news reports about how easy it is to get a gun in the south. All I had to do when I purchased mine here in Virginia was give my drivers liscense and a background check was done on me by the state police. It's easy if you don't have a record but how are the state police or anybody else supposed to know what you intend to do with the gun. And we ahatever reason. This guy could have had his gun for years, like me, I've had mine for five years.

The bottom line is, don't blame the gun, blame the mother fucker that pulled the trigger.

yes, you said everything in my head. well put, susan-va.

AlexxaHex
04-17-2007, 04:29 AM
I wonder who the American Public is going to try and blame for this. Marilyn Manson or Snoop Dogg?

Oh wait...the VIETNAMESE!

I loved Vietnamese food too! But not anymore! No sir, I spent 6 hours reflecting about my cat's life and the most profound thought I could come up with is that I love Vietnamese food.
:banghead:


But seriously, that sucks about people dying.

Will
04-17-2007, 07:22 AM
How in the Hell was he able to shoot so many people before he was stopped? God. Did he have an automatic weapon?

Fucking guns. Fucking, fucking guns.



Blame the creature that did it, not the tool he used. People suck, guns have evil and good uses. Don't turn the thread into an anti gun rant (or pro gun rant). A student from VTech speaks on his experience:


http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/wb/80510
Unarmed and vulnerable

Bradford B. Wiles (Wiles, of New Castle, is a graduate student at Virginia Tech.)

On Aug. 21 at about 9:20 a.m., my graduate-level class was evacuated from the Squires Student Center. We were interrupted in class and not informed of anything other than the following words: "You need to get out of the building."

Upon exiting the classroom, we were met at the doors leading outside by two armor-clad policemen with fully automatic weapons, plus their side arms. Once outside, there were several more officers with either fully automatic rifles and pump shotguns, and policemen running down the street, pistols drawn.

It was at this time that I realized that I had no viable means of protecting myself.

Please realize that I am licensed to carry a concealed handgun in the commonwealth of Virginia, and do so on a regular basis. However, because I am a Virginia Tech student, I am prohibited from carrying at school because of Virginia Tech's student policy, which makes possession of a handgun an expellable offense, but not a prosecutable crime.

I had entrusted my safety, and the safety of others to the police. In light of this, there are a few things I wish to point out.

First, I never want to have my safety fully in the hands of anyone else, including the police.

Second, I considered bringing my gun with me to campus, but did not due to the obvious risk of losing my graduate career, which is ridiculous because had I been shot and killed, there would have been no graduate career for me anyway.

Third, and most important, I am trained and able to carry a concealed handgun almost anywhere in Virginia and other states that have reciprocity with Virginia, but cannot carry where I spend more time than anywhere else because, somehow, I become a threat to others when I cross from the town of Blacksburg onto Virginia Tech's campus.

Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness.

That feeling of helplessness has been difficult to reconcile because I knew I would have been safer with a proper means to defend myself.

I would also like to point out that when I mentioned to a professor that I would feel safer with my gun, this is what she said to me, "I would feel safer if you had your gun."

The policy that forbids students who are legally licensed to carry in Virginia needs to be changed.

I am qualified and capable of carrying a concealed handgun and urge you to work with me to allow my most basic right of self-defense, and eliminate my entrusting my safety and the safety of my classmates to the government.

This incident makes it clear that it is time that Virginia Tech and the commonwealth of Virginia let me take responsibility for my safety.

_____________________________End

mollyzmoon
04-17-2007, 07:52 AM
I know my anti-gun comment was gonna be controversial, but it's just how I feel and have always felt about guns (and bombs). I personally agree with J.J. Rousseau, insofar as I think we were better off in the woods with sticks and stones.

But both my parents are in the military. I've been spoken to about my pacifist rantings. I know it's the person who does the killing. But I can't rescind what I said. I really believe that such an amount of violence, in such a short time, in that kind of setting, couldn't be carried out without guns.

I don't hate gun owners. I just don't get it, I guess. Why are they so important to have? If nobody had a gun, nobody would need one.

Ok, I just couldn't not say that. I get emotional about it. But I don't mean to offend, it's just that I don't understand. I'll shut up now before it gets all icky and political.

Will
04-17-2007, 08:01 AM
I know my anti-gun comment was gonna be controversial, but it's just how I feel and have always felt about guns (and bombs). I personally agree with J.J. Rousseau, insofar as I think we were better off in the woods with sticks and stones.

But both my parents are in the military. I've been spoken to about my pacifist rantings. I know it's the person who does the killing. But I can't rescind what I said. I really believe that such an amount of violence, in such a short time, in that kind of setting, couldn't be carried out without guns.

I don't hate gun owners. I just don't get it, I guess. Why are they so important to have? If nobody had a gun, nobody would need one.

Ok, I just couldn't not say that. I get emotional about it. But I don't mean to offend, it's just that I don't understand. I'll shut up now before it gets all icky and political.

We should all be shocked and stunned. I don't hate guns, I hate sick sh*& bags and wish we as decent human beings didn't need a means to defend ourselves from said sh*& bags. If I could wave a magic wand and take weapons away from everyone on the planet AND the intent of some to do others harm for their own sick reasons, I would do it. Short of that, the student above who was there had/has a right to defend himself. I agree kiddo, people suck, that good people need guns also sucks, but there we have it. I don't understand it either! OK, we end pro anti gun comments here.

242_fair
04-17-2007, 08:03 AM
Gun control. yep.

My Texas boyfriend bought me a gun and taught me to shoot it when I lived in Kansas. He was so cool and I love him for it. For several years I felt better there knowing my size and sex won't stop me from fighting back.

That gun is illigal here. In Toronto, only the criminals have guns.

I get a lot of criticism for the "American" attitude that if someone comes into my house uninvited, and I think I am about to get raped, I feel I should have the right to shoot them in the fucking face.

However, I hope the tragedy in VA doesn't bring all the NRA nuts out to defend their guns while the families are grieving. etc.

Susan-Va
04-17-2007, 08:07 AM
Ok, I just couldn't not say that. I get emotional about it. But I don't mean to offend, it's just that I don't understand. I'll shut up now before it gets all icky and political.

I do respect your opinion on this, I can get just as emotional on the topic from my end as you can. I do think it's great that we can listen to others stance on this and other issues. It can be enlightening and we can learn from one another. On any topic I respect and will listen to a persons opinion even if I don't agree with it.


The events at VA tech are tragic and this cannot be forgotten with the gun discussion. I've spent all morning on the web and watching the news. It hits close to home, I have family members that went to Tech and it's in my backyard, so to speak. I can't beleive that something like this happened so close to home. But it could have happened anywhere.

My heart goes out to everyone affected by this tragedy.

doc-catfish
04-17-2007, 08:20 AM
The lack of judgment in the media's rush to get information out on this simply astounds me.

VT hasn't released the names of any of the victims yet, but CNN has already broadcast the names of five victims. Two of them were professors.

They've also released the name of the shooter, but due to some confusion involving Asian names, either CNN or MSNBC have his first and last name reversed.

I realize there's a need to get the scoop on the competition, but this downright irresponsible.

Nicolina
04-17-2007, 09:16 AM
If this guy wanted to kill people he could have just as easliy done it with a knife.


Right. Sure. That's why we hear about so many "random mass knifings." ::)

NPR says--

He was South Korean. He was an English major. I think they said he was a permanent resident. (not sure.)

Susan-Va
04-17-2007, 09:26 AM
NPR says--

He was South Korean. He was an English major. I think they said he was a permanent resident. (not sure.)

He was Korean, a registered student from Centerville Va. It is believed that the first female victim was his girlfriend, not confirmed yet.

britt244
04-17-2007, 09:28 AM
they said he left a note that hasn't been released yet. when it is, that should be interesting... :-\

Vyanka
04-17-2007, 09:47 AM
they also said that after he entered the building, he chained the doors shut so no one could get out.

damn, that explains how one person killed that many.

ResQ
04-17-2007, 10:03 AM
Everywhere I read about this it turns into a gun debate. I wish we as people could forget that debate right now. We have grown so numb (myself included) to hearing about people being killed and such that instead of feeling for the families we start a debate. A couple of the students from VT post on a few forums I read. One said that the shooter had everyone on the floor and walked around just killing people at close range. Like less than 3 feet. How could someone just walk around calmly executing people like that is and always will be beyond me.

I truly feel for the friends and families of the VT victims. As well as everyone that is at VT and will be living in fear for quite some time

mollyzmoon
04-17-2007, 10:06 AM
How could someone just walk around calmly executing people like that is and always will be beyond me.

I truly feel for the friends and families of the VT victims. As well as everyone that is at VT and will be living in fear for quite some time

I agree that it's human nature that scares me. That we are capable of these things. That's why I don't think we should have guns. But then, here they are, they're not going away, so it's probably no use decrying their existence.

That execution psychotic thing, of innocent people? It happens in refugee camps in Africa (right now Sudan)almost everyday. The world is sick. It makes me miserable.

Roulette
04-17-2007, 10:47 AM
>:( >:(
This is a terrible day. That Vietnamese/Chinese kid id nuts. I know he was not Thai or Buddahist.
I love Veitnam food.


I loved Vietnamese food too! But not anymore! No sir, I spent 6 hours reflecting about my cat's life and the most profound thought I could come up with is that I love Vietnamese food.

Uhm... what does his race/ethnicity have to do with anything (unless you point out that generally mass murderers are Caucasian. And what does food have to do with anything, unless you're insinuating that the food he eats, assuming it is Vietnamese food, had anything to do with it. From how I read this is seems like you're going to stop eating food you like because some nut job is from the country the food is from.... Maybe I read it wrong but that strikes me as kinda dumb. Not to mention he was Korean, not Vietnamese. Alexxa I have read things on here that I really like that you said and was a little surprised by your comment. Sophie, you've done nothing but annoy and insult me. I don't even want to waste my time mouthing off about the inadequacies I see in you and your posts. And to whoever correlated it being a tech school and him being Asian I just wanted to point out that he was an English major.


Everywhere I read about this it turns into a gun debate. I wish we as people could forget that debate right now. We have grown so numb (myself included) to hearing about people being killed and such that instead of feeling for the families we start a debate. A couple of the students from VT poston a few forums I read. One said that the shooter had everyone on the floor and walked around just killing people at close range. Like less than 3 feet. How could someone just walk around calmly executing people like that is and always will be beyond me.

I truly feel for the friends and families of the VT victims. As well as everyone that is at VT and will be living in fear for quite some time

I couldn't have said it better ResQ!! As for how, the only thing I could think would be any sort of reasonable explanation would be if he was schizophrenic. He was the right age for it, but I suppose we will never know (unless they can test for that postmortem or could diagnose it from the things he left behind) This is a terrible tragedy and the largest mass murder/killing spree in US history. Though I am of the opinion that people kill people not guns I do agree that the ease that we as Americans can get guns is a factor that needs to be looked into, reduced and regulated a lot more. As someone said he could have used a knife rather than a gun, but had he I very highly doubt the body count would be 32.In most firearm related deaths the gun was registered and legal. This whole incident makes me sad for humanity and people being brought up in this world.

madmaxine
04-17-2007, 10:56 AM
I don't want to talk about this but given the recent event, it might help people understand mental illness better. I have severely mentally ill relatives & every day I live with the fear in the back of my mind that I'm going to get a phone call about some innocent person being hurt because my family member did something bad. We must not attack the killer's family...It is possible that they did not see this coming, or tried to help him but were rebuffed. The laws in the U.S. pertaining to the treatment of mentally ill people are outdated, ineffective and unhelpful.
I'm not making excuses. I am saying that this is a wake-up call for the whole nation to address a system that is not working and endangering innocent lives.

My prayers are with Virginia Tech and all affected by this horrible, senseless tragedy.

Edit- I am NOT being hysterical or "paranoid." I have lived with this issue for most of my life.

sophiemarie
04-17-2007, 10:59 AM
I knew he was not Chinese but see here is Korean. I feel bad for the families of those kids who dies.
Why was the college not paying attention to the bomb threats for 2 weeks? that is so stupid. Then they didn't even lock the college down after the 1st shooting. Slow people.

Naomi12
04-17-2007, 11:03 AM
God blessed..My hearts goes out to the victims and there family. Like what is the world coming to, when you cannot even send your children off to college to get an education, learn life skills, make mistakes, w/o having to worry about things like this happening.

cameron_keys
04-17-2007, 11:09 AM
My heart goes out to the families involed....what a horrible thing to have to live with. Not only losing a loved one, but having it splashed all over the media....

And the only thing i'll say on the gun debate is that it is a moot point. You will never get rid of all guns in the world...all stricter laws do is prevent law-abiding citizens to have them for defense. It is illegal(everywhere as far as I know) to carry on school grounds. With or without a permit. So those who would only use to protect themselves against nuts like this dont have them because they are law abiding. Therefore...only the criminals have them slanting odds in their favor.

So unless someone can come up with a way to get rid of every gun in the world....I will continue to keep them for my own protection

ResQ
04-17-2007, 11:13 AM
WHAT THE FUCK?! This seriously has me more pissed than I can recall being in years. Some god damn church fuck heads are going to be at the funeral to protest because its all gods will! These motherfuckers have no idea what the families are going through. They have no respect for others.

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/

madmaxine
04-17-2007, 11:18 AM
^^^^^^^The WBC is mostly inbred (the leader's family comprises the bulk of the church)...Which is self-evident.

This new declaration from the church has gotten people up in arms to block them from the VT funerals. I'm brainstorming a few things I can do, the easiest is to donate funds to the biker group that provides escorts to WBC picket targets.

Kabukicho
04-17-2007, 11:54 AM
So sad to hear that one of the dead was a Holocaust survivor.

This is all so sad, my heart goes out to everyone affected.

Incidentally, I just recently found out about the WBC, there was a documentary on them screened here a few weeks ago. I really hope something can be done to stop them.

(Roulette: I think Alexxa's post was intended to be sarcastic)

Hatshepsut
04-17-2007, 12:08 PM
I'll bet you that his snapping involved overbearing Asian parents and/or rejection from a girl.

Paintbaby
04-17-2007, 12:08 PM
This story of heroism made me cry. It is the story of the Holocaust survivor who died trying to save his students.

http://feministe.us/blog/

Check it out under "Stories out of Virginia".

britt244
04-17-2007, 12:10 PM
yeah, alexxas post wasnt serious!

i'm watching a few minutes of the convocation right now, it's really, really sad. it's giving me chills. a girl i went to high school with who goes to v tech, one of her good friends was killed yesterday. i want to cry just thinking about it, this really hits home for me.

britt244
04-17-2007, 12:10 PM
I'll bet you that his snapping involved overbearing Asian parents and/or rejection from a girl.

they think it started by him looking for his girlfriend.

Roulette
04-17-2007, 12:16 PM
(Roulette: I think Alexxa's post was intended to be sarcastic)


yeah, alexxas post wasnt serious!

Yeah I see that now and Alexxa I am sorry for snapping at you. I have a great deal of respect for the things you put out in these forums. I was just so annoyed by some of the things I was reading and angry at everything in general that I kinda missed the sarcasm. So I am sorry!!:-[

britt244
04-17-2007, 12:25 PM
the godhatesamerica site isnt working right now.. i hope that it never works again, personally.

Kabukicho
04-17-2007, 12:35 PM
^^ Me too. Seriously, is there anything that can be done to stop them? The thought of them showing up at the funerals is really horrible.

Roulette
04-17-2007, 12:36 PM
What was on the GodHatesAmerica site?!?!

britt244
04-17-2007, 12:37 PM
its a "church" that also has a website called godhatesfags or something like that, and they want to protest the student/faculty funerals because they say that this was "god's will." it's really, really sick.

Roulette
04-17-2007, 12:38 PM
OH THOSE FUCKERS?!?!?! I remember seeing something about them not too too long ago!! They're trying to go to the funerals of the students and faculty of VT????

Kabukicho
04-17-2007, 12:39 PM
I looked at it before it went down and it was saying stuff about it being God's will, that he sent someone to shoot these people as punishment for America's actions.

smartcookie
04-17-2007, 12:41 PM
The increasing frequency of events of this nature are actually a very good time to have a gun debate, especially when our president has made it clear in the last 24 hours that his opinion is that the right to bear arms supercedes the pain of the victims in this latest and most fatal gun-related mass murder. But, lest we forget, guns don't kill people, people kill people. That's why we see so many mass poisonings, mass stabbings, and mass stranglings in this country.

There are over 809 million people living in Europe right now. How many mass murders have taken place in the last thirty years in Europe? The one in Dunblane, Scotland, maybe a few others.

There are over 300 million people living in the U.S. right now. How many mass murders have we had in the last thirty years? .

But again, I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with the proliferation of guns in the USA; it's because Europeans are much more peaceful people, having purged the collective propensity towards violence out of their system in the 20th century.

Kabukicho
04-17-2007, 12:48 PM
OH THOSE FUCKERS?!?!?! I remember seeing something about them not too too long ago!! They're trying to go to the funerals of the students and faculty of VT????


Don't want to get too far off topic, but here is a clip from that documentary I saw about this church




ETA: Damn they changed it and now it doesn't show the interviews. Oh well

TheSexKitten
04-17-2007, 12:52 PM
I love you, SmartCookie! You say what I want to say, but better.

I was in tears watching the news yesterday. I'm so apalled that the most common place to start executing people in the US are schools. It's just fucking awful.

Hatshepsut
04-17-2007, 12:55 PM
I looked at it before it went down and it was saying stuff about it being God's will, that he sent someone to shoot these people as punishment for America's actions.
I'd consider it a godsend for someone to shoot them (The biblethumpers).