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Roulette
04-19-2007, 12:51 PM
Are you going to continue dancing? If so will you continue at that club? And obviously no need to answer now or anything. I understand you have to think about these things a lot.

icey
04-19-2007, 12:55 PM
I am not going to work for that club anymore, as for still dancing probably I just bought a house and saving up to start a family.

papillonluvr
04-19-2007, 01:03 PM
I hope that if you do report this incident, that the cops will actually be helpful and that those other two girls will talk.

ChubbyChaser
04-19-2007, 01:21 PM
The other girls acted as assistants to a crime and should be charged as such. Have you told the manager? Does the club know the names of the guys - maybe they used a credit card or something? All four of them are criminals, and you have rights, and a legal system to protect you. I really hope you're okay, and that you will make sure they are punished for this. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

leogirl876
04-19-2007, 01:33 PM
You may have washed it off yourself by bathing but do you still have your underwear from last night? If you haven't washed it or thrown it out, there's the evidence right there because it'll have your vaginal secretions on it (your DNA) and those guys sperm on it (their DNA), think Monica Lewinsky with Bill Clinton. It was her dress that proved there was sexual relations going on. If you have the underwear, take that to the police and have the DNA tested and processed, it wouldn't surprise me if these guys have past convictions and have done this before. You could help put them behind bars so they can't do this to another woman, and please press charges because if they don't pay for it, they'll get away with it and will do it again.

Roulette
04-19-2007, 01:35 PM
^^^ Good point, I hadnt even thought of the undies.

icey
04-19-2007, 01:37 PM
Yes I still have them

BalletBaby
04-19-2007, 01:40 PM
Icey I am so sorry:hug: You've been through alot and you're obviously a very strong women.

Sue the club. That place needs to be shut down. They have DOORS to the champagne room?! That alone is dangerous. And the fact that these two girls stood their and watched? No I doubt they were on drugs, you said they weren't going to the CR without you right? I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it really sounds like they planned this and were planning on getting you drunk.

And about the cutting. I know how it feels; I'm a cutter and still trying to work on it. But with all that you've been through I know how much of an emotional release it is. I know I can't help you but I'm here to give you :hug:

:hug::grouphug::hug:

BTW, do you still have your clothes from that night?
ETA: just saw leogirls post

JustJayda
04-19-2007, 01:43 PM
Sorry this happened to you. Do you mind telling which club it was? There are plenty of ladies here that dance/have danced in AZ. I'd like them to know which club has such shitty security, and forces girls to drink!

icey
04-19-2007, 01:45 PM
Sue the club. That place needs to be shut down. They have DOORS to the champagne room?! That alone is dangerous. And the fact that these two girls stood their and watched? No I doubt they were on drugs, you said they weren't going to the CR without you right? I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it really sounds like they planned this and were planning on getting you drunk.

And about the cutting. I know how it feels; I'm a cutter and still trying to work on it. But with all that you've been through I know how much of an emotional release it is. I know I can't help you but I'm here to give you :hug:

:hug::grouphug::hug:

BTW, do you still have your clothes from that night?
ETA: just saw leogirls post

I hope thats not true, why would the girls want to do that too me? I had never even talked with them before. If that is true that is so wrong! :'(

I have been a cutter since I was a kid, I had been doing better with it. Thank you so much for the hugs I needed that.

Yes, I still have the clothes from last night, the guys did pay with a credit card too.

TigersMilk
04-19-2007, 01:45 PM
Wow Im so sorry you had to go through that. There is some great advice in this thread. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do something for what the guy, club, girls and so called security did to you. This is in no way your fault and youre not a slut in any way. If you dont do anything at all then this will happen to another girl. I pray for you to have the strength to get these bastards back.

Lights off?! Anything goes?! Its not a champagne room its a rape and buy a hooker room and both of which have no place in a strip club.

virgoamm
04-19-2007, 01:47 PM
I didn't think about the undies either-that's irrefutable evidence. Plus, there were two witnesses to attest to what happened. They may deny it, but the police are usually pretty good about getting people to crack and tell the truth.

TigersMilk
04-19-2007, 01:49 PM
I hope thats not true, why would the girls want to do that too me? ...

....Yes, I still have the clothes from last night, the guys did pay with a credit card too.

Because some people are heartless and no respect for other human beings or for themselves for standing by and watching you be defiled like that.

You have underwear (DNA) and with help you can get their credit card number, address and person who did this to you. I hope you do something and his ass gets raped in jail and see how he likes it. >:(

Roulette
04-19-2007, 01:51 PM
You said you dont know the girls that well but do you think maybe they fucked you over for drugs? Money for drugs? these girls are actually hookers and these guys might be their pimps? that just occurred to me in trying to figure out how a girl could let another girl go through this w/o doing anything and from what it seems like on here setting her up for this.

Emily
04-19-2007, 01:51 PM
of course the girls were in on it!

They didn't know you. They insisted you join. They insisted you drink. They sat and watched you get raped.

No normal person, especially a woman....especially TWO WOMEN would let that happen. Especially if they were responsible for getting you in the situation to begin with. You were totally being set up.

BalletBaby
04-19-2007, 01:53 PM
I hope thats not true, why would the girls want to do that too me? I had never even talked with them before. If that is true that is so wrong! :'(

I have been a cutter since I was a kid, I had been doing better with it. Thank you so much for the hugs I needed that.

Yes, I still have the clothes from last night, the guys did pay with a credit card too.

Well I can't say for sure they planned it, but it makes me highly suspicious when they wouldn't go without you and then wanted you to drink. I would never watch that happen to anyone. You just have to remember there are sick cruel disturbed people in this world. They can be held accountable for the rape also.

If you EVER get the urge to cut again, just send me a PM.:hug:

Clothes and credit card? You've got some good evidence right there.

madmaxine
04-19-2007, 01:56 PM
I hope thats not true, why would the girls want to do that too me? I had never even talked with them before. If that is true that is so wrong! :'(

It has been done, even up to the point of women luring other women to be killed by their male partners in crime (The Bernardo/Holmolka case in Canada is a perfect example.) They may have been paid a lot of cash, or just lied to/threatened also....

You need to go to the authorities. They will do this again. Rapist do not stop at one victim. They do not stop until they are caught or incapacitated.

icey
04-19-2007, 01:58 PM
:crying: I think you guys might be right. Just thinking that is making me cry and I feel very used right now.

BalletBaby
04-19-2007, 02:00 PM
:crying: I think you guys might be right. Just thinking that is making me cry and I feel very used right now.

:hug:Karma will come back to get them. Either while they are sitting in prison or later on in life, but IT WILL come back to get them.

madmaxine
04-19-2007, 02:00 PM
Do what you need to do for yourself and then take care of business.

You can PM me if you wish.

You're going to be okay.

(((HUGS)))

oohdamnbaby
04-19-2007, 02:15 PM
Can you please PM me and let me know what club this is so I can STAY AWAY from it?

So sorry this happened to you.

Corgan
04-19-2007, 02:22 PM
I am not going to work for that club anymore, as for still dancing probably I just bought a house and saving up to start a family.

okay... starting a family with whom? the boyfriend that blames you when things go wrong at work... at a job that you're keeping? shit happens everyday for me as a dancer, that will never change.

also, i thought you were moving??

be careful :) make good choices.

mollyzmoon
04-19-2007, 02:34 PM
Oh my god. I can hardly imagine how horrible that must have been for you. If that were me...I can't even think of what I'd do.

Don't wait to tell your therapist...please report this. I'd call the cops on the club, but madmaxine is probably right- you should sue them blind.

I also don't understand how your boyfriend thinks any of this is your fault, but that's neither here nor there. Take care of yourself, and yourself only right now.

Whatever you do, please don't ever go back to that club unless you've got a lawyer/ the authorities on hand. That's so gross that places like that exist. What a nightmare.

*hugs*

icey
04-19-2007, 02:58 PM
I don't know if I should go and talk to the manager that is there tonight and let him know what happened, or just go to the cops and let them deal with it.

I want to report it, but my mom and my main job do not know that I do this, and I don't want to cause problems.

Corgan
04-19-2007, 02:59 PM
hmm... then that is a choice you must make on your own hun.

BalletBaby
04-19-2007, 03:07 PM
I'm not going to tell you what to do. But in the long run, what decision will you want to have made? I would go with that.

icey
04-19-2007, 03:08 PM
I know, I am just scared................But I would not want this to happen to anyone else.

Yekhefah
04-19-2007, 03:11 PM
^^^ Then you have to take all the evidence to the police, and give them ALL the information you have.

BalletBaby
04-19-2007, 03:14 PM
I know if I was in your situation Icey I would be scared as well. I wouldn't even know what to do. You know we at SW are here to support you.

exotisch23
04-19-2007, 03:38 PM
Icey, you should look into taking a self defense class, and/or get some kind of weapon to carry around with you at all times.

Sometimes I just fucking hate men.

icey
04-19-2007, 03:43 PM
It's really sad I am a black belt in karate been doing it for 8 years. Never lost a fight, but when someone starts to touch me sexually I freeze and I just shut down!

BrunetteGoddess
04-19-2007, 03:47 PM
Icey, if you don't want to say in public, could you IM me what club this is? I'm in AZ too and would like to stay away from it!

Sillymonkeyz
04-19-2007, 03:49 PM
Just to post a reply here, the Club is Sonny's in Chandler, they do have a sliding door that closes off the CR, and as far as I've ever seen there are no cameras in there.:'(

blondi553
04-19-2007, 04:00 PM
and who r u?^^^^^^ and how do you know this? for this to be your first post, that is kind of odd!

cameron_keys
04-19-2007, 04:03 PM
It's really sad I am a black belt in karate been doing it for 8 years. Never lost a fight, but when someone starts to touch me sexually I freeze and I just shut down!

Which is why the adult industry in any way shape or form, may not be good for you. I know you want to save up for several things...but the psychological damage to you of being in a place where people WILL look at and touch you in a sexual manner in the BEST of normal strip club situations may not be worth it.

toomuchhomeworklately
04-19-2007, 04:38 PM
Talk to the police first. Don't say anything to the manager - I'm afraid he might try to cover up or "lose" the credit card receipts. The police can get the proof they need with a warrant. I would still see a doctor (after talking with the cops) you might still have evidence inside you - maybe just a pube, but that's all you need to put that scumbag behind bars.

I didn't report several rapes when I was a teenager till many months later when I told my boyfriend & he threatened to shoot these guys unless I told the police. Too much time had passed & the cops wouldn't do anything but offer me counseling. I left the police station in tears. My boyfriend slashed some tires that night.

Check out this site http://siawso.org/ They don't post all the meeting sites, but if you contact them they'll tell you where the closest meeting is or they could counsel you over the phone. My mom is a member & has phone counseled people. This group has helped her immensely.

FilliPeenis
04-19-2007, 04:55 PM
First and foremost, I am deeply saddened to hear about this. Rapists, in my opinion, are the biggest scum on this earth right next to killers and child molestors. They should all be castrated and hung for death.

But it does sicken me even more to hear that your coworkers and management both basically enabled and continue to enable the situation. However, if you were my girlfriend, I'd not only vow to kill the punks involved, but my first plan of action would have been to dial 9-1-1 and have that place raided and the assailants discovered/arrested. That place needs to be shut down and many individuals put in the pen...and I think by you alerting the authorities you are not only helping yourself, but also a lot of both current and perspective dancers who may find themselves defenseless in the same situation in the future.

Regardless, take good care of yourself and I hope justice is served.

NekkoStarz
04-19-2007, 06:10 PM
I'm really sad & very bothered by all this. I'm verrrrrrrry verrrrrry upset with the girls, the club, your bf, the guys, the whole damn situation.

But, does anyone else find this post a lil odd? Like Icey's whole situation & responses & etc? Then that guest who made the one comment about the Champaigne room!? As I was reading her first post I WAS JUST BLOWN AWAY WITH A TORMENT OF HORRID FEELINGS FOR THE GIRL.... But as you keep reading it's just all way too odd. Non of it seems to match up. I'm not trying to be cold or anything. Just eh!? Anyone else?!??

cameron_keys
04-19-2007, 06:22 PM
I'm really sad & very bothered by all this. I'm verrrrrrrry verrrrrry upset with the girls, the club, your bf, the guys, the whole damn situation.

But, does anyone else find this post a lil odd? Like Icey's whole situation & responses & etc? Then that guest who made the one comment about the Champaigne room!? As I was reading her first post I WAS JUST BLOWN AWAY WITH A TORMENT OF HORRID FEELINGS FOR THE GIRL.... But as you keep reading it's just all way too odd. Non of it seems to match up. I'm not trying to be cold or anything. Just eh!? Anyone else?!??

I said something to that affect in one of my posts. It isnt that I dontbelieve her...ther just has to be more to the story because it doesnt seem to add up

aussiepunkshocker
04-19-2007, 06:30 PM
I meantioned this before too. Icey I really hope that you can report this and that those bitches are charged with something, that makes me so extra mad.
Hope you got some sleep.


And the fact that these two girls stood their and watched? No I doubt they were on drugs, you said they weren't going to the CR without you right? I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it really sounds like they planned this and were planning on getting you drunk.

aussiepunkshocker
04-19-2007, 06:35 PM
Hello - the girls just been raped. Its very normal for stories to sound jumbled right after someones been through a traumatic experience.

People, worry about the details and the boyfriends reaction (which although fucked was a very normal reaction upon hearing of a rape) and all the rest later if you must. One thing people who have been raped dont need is additional people badgering them about the small stuff right afterwards.



I said something to that affect in one of my posts. It isnt that I dontbelieve her...ther just has to be more to the story because it doesnt seem to add up

NekkoStarz
04-19-2007, 06:38 PM
I wasn't badgering the poor dear.... I'm just so confused & yeah... Just in this shock factor....

cameron_keys
04-19-2007, 06:59 PM
Hello - the girls just been raped. Its very normal for stories to sound jumbled right after someones been through a traumatic experience.

People, worry about the details and the boyfriends reaction (which although fucked was a very normal reaction upon hearing of a rape) and all the rest later if you must. One thing people who have been raped dont need is additional people badgering them about the small stuff right afterwards.

I wasnt badgering by any means. I'm just wondering what the rest of the story is. I dont think anyone is really worrying about hte small stuff...jusy trying to piece together the whole picture.
And the details including the boyfriends reaction are all part of the whole experience. Having someone you love and trust not support you at a time like this can be just as, maybe more, traumatizing. ANd she said he didnt support her the last time it happened either.

I'm just wondering about why she seems to be a target...raped repeatedly as a child...then 3 times this year?? This is a disturbing pattern.Either she is in a very dangerous area, which is another argument for her staying out of the club...or she screams "victim". Possibly exuding a lack of self esteem....not in ANY WAY am I even suggesting she is at fault....but a good therapist could help her understand why she continues to be targeted for assault.

toomuchhomeworklately
04-19-2007, 07:30 PM
I wish that this didn't happen to Icey, but we should be here to support her, not question her.

If anyone had bothered to read the home page of the website I mentioned earlier, I doubt you'd be passing judgement. http://siawso.org/
Just read the first page.

And Icey, I want you to talk to my mom. It's not your fault.



Sorry if I sound like a bitch - no offense to anyone. I just feel really strongly about this topic.

aussiepunkshocker
04-19-2007, 07:31 PM
I just dont think the additional questioning and speculation is particularly helpful right now.
Ive just started a thread over in body buisness about dealing with rape btw.

paintgoddess
04-19-2007, 08:20 PM
I hope you sue the fucking shit out of that club. I'd consult a lawyer on this one and take some of your power back that way. You don't have to know anything about the law to sue someone, and it doesn't cost you anything unless you win the case. I hope you get rich. I hope that club gets shut down.

Side note: what's this crap with the cocktail waitress asking if you wanted the lights on or off in the CR??? What kind of fucking club compromises the safety of the dancers this way?!?!?! For all i'm concerned, the managers might as well be guilty of this crime also by setting up an obviously unsafe condition for you workers. I bet you're not the only one there that has been raped there.

This just makes me mad. ANd I feel so sorry for you. I don't even know what to say... I want to hug you... and I want to help you, and there's nothing I can do. Just so frustrated and angry on your behalf...

icey
04-20-2007, 08:30 AM
Thank you everyone that has giving me help and support. Yes my story here as jump around, some stuff I have just not wanted to write down yet, I am still trying to deal with this.

I did go to the club last night to talk with the managers, at first they were being odd but by the end they were very nice. They said one of the girls that night told the manager that I was having sex in the CR but did not want to get me into trouble. :O Anyways the manager that was on that night was like I saw nothing worrg, so they brought in the main manager and we talked. They then brought in one of the girls from last night and her story change like 3-4 times when she was telling. And she did say that she hear me say NO NO NO many times, but it did not look like I was really fighting so she did nothing about it. >:(

Once she said that the manager were like we are looking into this. And they said the CR does have a camera in it, but they don't tape anything. So I asked, even if I was having sex why did someone not see it on the screen and come in and stop it? They had no answer, also the other girl that was in there said she did not see anything.

The manager said he was going to look into this and get the guys name that was there and that they would call me Monday with what they found, and if they find out something did happen then they themselves will press charges against the girls and the guys that were there that night.

But they said I also have to understand it might come out that I was having sex for him for money, and did I? I was like if I was there doing that why would I come in today and say this and were is the money then.

Also everyone my boyfriend has been great he been there for me, he said he was very sorry if it seemed like he was mad at me, he was not he was mad at the situation. :)

Yekhefah
04-20-2007, 08:48 AM
The manager said he was going to look into this and get the guys name that was there and that they would call me Monday with what they found, and if they find out something did happen then they themselves will press charges against the girls and the guys that were there that night.

That's bullshit, they aren't going to press charges against anybody. For one thing, they don't have the right as they are not the victims. They're trying to get you to be quiet and drop it, because they don't want the cops in the club, or the negative publicity. YOU are going to have to do this. I know it's hard, but it will help you heal in the long run.

Have you been to the police yet, with your clothes (especially panties) that you wore that night? Have you had a rape kit done? Most importantly, have you taken Plan B? The last thing you need is to wind up pregnant from this.


But they said I also have to understand it might come out that I was having sex for him for money, and did I?

More bullshit. They're trying to get you to hush and go away. If you had sex with him for money, you wouldn't be going to the police and admitting it. That's another reason you need to talk to the police RIGHT NOW. You need to press charges against the rapists, the girls (who do sound like accomplices; I agree it sounds like you were set up), and the club itself. You should also consider suing the club - not to get money, but to shut them down or hit them so hard they make sure this never happens again.

I know you'd probably rather just let this die down, but this happened to you because no one put a stop to it before. It will happen again to someone else if you don't stop it now.

icey
04-20-2007, 08:50 AM
I wish that this didn't happen to Icey, but we should be here to support her, not question her.

If anyone had bothered to read the home page of the website I mentioned earlier, I doubt you'd be passing judgement. http://siawso.org/
Just read the first page.

And Icey, I want you to talk to my mom. It's not your fault.



Sorry if I sound like a bitch - no offense to anyone. I just feel really strongly about this topic.

Thank you, I just went to the site and signed up for the meetings in my area, I hope that by talking about my past with others that have been through it will help me let go of these feelings of mine and maybe not allow people and myself to hurt me. :)

icey
04-20-2007, 08:59 AM
I'm really sad & very bothered by all this. I'm verrrrrrrry verrrrrry upset with the girls, the club, your bf, the guys, the whole damn situation.

But, does anyone else find this post a lil odd? Like Icey's whole situation & responses & etc? Then that guest who made the one comment about the Champaigne room!? As I was reading her first post I WAS JUST BLOWN AWAY WITH A TORMENT OF HORRID FEELINGS FOR THE GIRL.... But as you keep reading it's just all way too odd. Non of it seems to match up. I'm not trying to be cold or anything. Just eh!? Anyone else?!??

:'( I am sorry. I don't know what to say about this. This is why I am so scared about going to the cops what if they think this about me? :-\
I can't take someone right now thinking I am lying..................I am sorry. :'(