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liberator
05-03-2007, 09:26 AM
What's not to enjoy about a kiss?

Medman
05-03-2007, 09:47 AM
*Nasty Alert*:D

With my current ATF we make out like mad teenagers. :-*:flamed:

Cally
05-03-2007, 09:50 AM
Well I make out with Jenny everytime she comes to see me... sorry Jenny didnt mean to out you as a customer :P

britt244
05-03-2007, 09:51 AM
What's not to enjoy about a kiss?

um, i wouldnt want to kiss 99% of the guys i dance for, even if they were the most enjoyable kisser in the world. plus, we dont see the guys that way. i look at guys and think, that's a vip room, or, thats a lap dance or two. NOT, hey, i wonder if he's a good kisser?

Cally
05-03-2007, 09:53 AM
um, i wouldnt want to kiss 99% of the guys i dance for, even if they were the most enjoyable kisser in the world. plus, we dont see the guys that way. i look at guys and think, that's a vip room, or, thats a lap dance or two. NOT, hey, i wonder if he's a good kisser?


Speak for yourself :P Each and every guy *I* dance for I try to judge by how good of a fuck hes gonna be.. then of course I have to see if im right...


Okay i'll stop im sorry...

britt244
05-03-2007, 09:56 AM
Speak for yourself :P Each and every guy *I* dance for I try to judge by how good of a fuck hes gonna be.. then of course I have to see if im right...


Okay i'll stop im sorry...


i stand corrected ;)

Cally
05-03-2007, 10:01 AM
LoL please know im joking :O

britt244
05-03-2007, 10:02 AM
^ haha, that was what the ;) face was for!

xdamage
05-03-2007, 10:25 AM
But how often, that is if you even do, kiss your customers on the lips?


I guess I'm the odd man out, but I can't help but think this is the kind of question that is best left unasked.

I mean I just don't see what would motivate any dancer that does do this semi-regularly to say "me me me, I do it a lot". I mean you're asking about something that is almost assuredly illegal in the majority of clubs, and even hookers know when what they do is unsafe (hey, even smokers know when what they do is unhealthy, but it doesn't mean they want a lecture on it). For a dancer with a high post count to admit to kissing, she'd likely be ousted and labeled an extras girl, or get a lecture on how unsafe/un-hygenic it is, which of course she already would know. And the same for customers really, who wants to be lectured on how unsafe, un-hygenic, or illegal it is (which they already know too)?

Point is I think you're going to find many, even most don't, but I also wouldn't expect this kind of question to get a lot of answers in the affirmative, even if it is happening.

Perhaps the more important question, or issue is, there is a chance that if a girl does do this it is rare, and your risk is not much worse then kissing a girl you are dating or met casually. OTOH, even if no one speaks up and says I do it a lot, I think it would only be smart to assume that if she is kissing you, she is kissing other customers as well. If you're worried about hygiene and health risks, base your decision to kiss or not on that assumption.

Vinnie
05-03-2007, 10:32 AM
I guess I'm the odd man out, but I can't help but think this is the kind of question that is best left unasked.

I mean I just don't see what would motivate any dancer that does do this semi-regularly to say "me me me, I do it a lot". I mean you're asking about something that is almost assuredly illegal in the majority of clubs, and even hookers know when what they do is unsafe (hey, even smokers know when what they do is unhealthy, but it doesn't mean they want a lecture on it). For a dancer with a high post count to admit to kissing, she'd likely be ousted and labeled an extras girl, or get a lecture on how unsafe/un-hygenic it is, which of course she already would know. And the same for customers really, who wants to be lectured on how unsafe, un-hygenic, or illegal it is (which they already know too)?

Point is I think you're going to find many, even most don't, but I also wouldn't expect this kind of question to get a lot of answers in the affirmative, even if it is happening.

Perhaps the more important question, or issue is, there is a chance that if a girl does do this it is rare, and your risk is not much worse then kissing a girl you are dating or met casually. OTOH, even if no one speaks up and says I do it a lot, I think it would only be smart to assume that if she is kissing you, she is kissing other customers as well. If you're worried about hygiene and health risks, base your decision to kiss or not on that assumption.

Maybe a part of me wants to hear that dancers don't kiss their customers...

Djoser
05-03-2007, 10:41 AM
What's not to enjoy about a kiss?

Really, what's all the fuss about? Who cares if the dancer kissing you might have kissed half a dozen guys before you that night? Or if you're really lucky it might be in one of those clubs where you can get a BJ from the right girl, and you can kiss her towards the end of the night. Yummy!

Cally
05-03-2007, 10:44 AM
Okay im crazy but...

Everyone is bitching about kissing in the SC.... what about those girls who go to night clubs and make out with random guys all night? Or those girls who go home with a different guy every night from the night clubs?

Now dont get me wrong.... im not fucking and sucking guys in the SC... and the only kissing action my customers get is a kiss on the cheek... but still I keep wondering this lol..

xdamage
05-03-2007, 10:54 AM
Maybe a part of me wants to hear that dancers don't kiss their customers...

Almost every customer wants to feel special, like what the dancer does with them is unique, and real, but what can I tell you, it's part of their job (probably the most important part) to treat customers that way.

I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy it, or that there is anything wrong with it, but I am saying the practical matters here are 1.) there are some health risks associated with kissing, and 2.) it's probably illegal and she and you stand some minor chance of being busted for it. Now I'm not suggesting a course of action here, but I am saying be smart, and don't confuse a lack of affirmative responses here with a complete view of the reality. The problem with asking this question is there is no motivation in this context for everyone to be completely honest. People are anonymous here in that their names are protected, but they still build a reputation via their post count and previous messages. They do have a virtual reputation and presence, and you're asking about something that is illegal, has health risks, and has social connotations associated with it.

No matter how good it makes you feel to be kissed, what I can tell you is that in my experience as a customer it's fairly common that dancers will initiate kissing, and we really don't know and can't know how often any dancer does it. All we can do is put our stroked egos aside for a bit, and make an educated guess that she is probably kissing other customers, and make our decision to engage in the behavior or not based on that.

xdamage
05-03-2007, 10:57 AM
Okay im crazy but...

Everyone is bitching about kissing in the SC.... what about those girls who go to night clubs and make out with random guys all night? Or those girls who go home with a different guy every night from the night clubs?


The same thing goes through my mind Cally. Same risks really, although it's not illegal in that context, and for some, has a different social connotation. Strictly from the point of view of health risks though, yea, if your kissing a lot of people in or out of the club your kissing them and everyone else they have kissed.

Pretty_Penny
05-03-2007, 11:03 AM
i don't kiss any stranger (speaking of outside the club... at regular clubs) unless they are so fucking attractive that the posibility of getting the flu seems worth it.

this happens -very- rarely. i used to do it more when i was 18-23ish, but now (i'll be 28 in a few weeks) it's for those rare ultra-hot occasions. i think the last time i made out with a stranger, it was some kid on a dancefloor who's name i didn't know and who's face i only barely remember (i know he was hot though). it was about 6 months ago maybe. after we stopped making out i noticed he had big black Xs on his hands (which is what they do when you're under 21).

nice. lol

my boyfriend made fun of me for about a week.

i make out with my friends more often though... but they aren't strangers (obviously)

Pan Dah
05-03-2007, 01:17 PM
Okay im crazy but...

Everyone is bitching about kissing in the SC.... what about those girls who go to night clubs and make out with random guys all night? Or those girls who go home with a different guy every night from the night clubs?
Well, yeah, but that's different you know. Because those girls aren't dirty ho strippers or anything nasty like that. So that makes it all safe and good.

Jenny
05-03-2007, 02:51 PM
Okay im crazy but...

Everyone is bitching about kissing in the SC.... what about those girls who go to night clubs and make out with random guys all night? Or those girls who go home with a different guy every night from the night clubs?

Now dont get me wrong.... im not fucking and sucking guys in the SC... and the only kissing action my customers get is a kiss on the cheek... but still I keep wondering this lol..
I sometimes wonder about a lot of our professional/social conventions. Like, why is it okay for me to grind a guy with my ass, but not touch him with my hand? I mean, normally, my hand is a lot less intimate. Nonetheless - there you have it. It's different. I know it's different, the guy knows it's different, everyone else in the club knows it's different. It's hard to quantify exactly WHY though.

In terms of the difference in strip clubs and night clubs - I think relatively few girls here are judgmental over "normal, everyday" skankiness (i.e. the kind that results in recreational one-night stands). The problem arises when you are being a skank professionally. We don't like that. Very likely the reason we don't like it is because we all feel that certain kinds of behaviour at least have the potential to pollute our work environment. Kissing a lot of guys in the club raises the game for everyone else. And honestly, I don't think the aversion is kissing is all romantic with emotional intimacy issues; I think it is a physical intimacy issue. I can grind a guy and not taste him. More senses are involved in kissing - like smell and taste.

Picaresque
05-03-2007, 02:59 PM
One word...Herpes. Enjoy.

And that is exactly why I will never kiss a custy full-on. Ugh. Who knows where their mouths have been or what kind of nasty pathogens they've got?

Though I already have the type of herpes simplex that just gives me cold sores my mouth. I rarely actually get cold sores...maybe once every year or two. But last time I had one, I covered it with concealer and went to work. Halfway through the night, a custie in VIP was being extremely rough with me, pushing me around, digging his fingers into my skin, and he kept trying to pull my face towards his and force a kiss onto me. At one point he grabbed the back of my head, yanked my face into his and kissed my mouth. >:(

I was SO PISSED that the bouncers weren't watching the room. But the custy couldn't figure out why I started laughing my ass off after the initial shock-anger-disgust wore off. Enjoy your brand new lifetime of sporadic cold sore outbreaks, jackass; it's no more than you deserve! ;D

Djoser
05-03-2007, 03:11 PM
At one point he grabbed the back of my head, yanked my face into his and kissed my mouth. >:(

Enjoy your brand new lifetime of sporadic cold sore outbreaks, jackass; it's no more than you deserve! ;D

Maybe he was trying to 'break you in', as the self-styled studs who post in customer/extras-oriented websites will claim to be good at doing. You know, the kind of guys who wear sport jackets over running shorts, and give dancers orgasms a lot better when they pull their hair, etc. Or so they tell us.

Well now he will get a little 'breakout' of his own, won't he, lol?

miss marina
05-03-2007, 06:03 PM
only on the cheek if they are really good regulars, and i still try to avoid that at all cost...never ever ever on the lips.

datchapin
05-03-2007, 06:40 PM
I'm sorry I think I read most of the posts so if I missed something... oh well. Was there tongue involved? How did she look at you after kissing you? Obviously you don't gotta answer, but I'm feeling nosy. Anyways, your relationship with this chick is evolving, she didn't kiss you on your first visit and she seems to enjoy the time she spends with you.

You gotta keep in mind that even though it's a job, your ATF is still a person and will develop chemistry, feelings and thoughts on you. If you wanna know about how she feels about you you just gotta observe her closely. (Not stalker closely.) I mean does her face light up when she sees you. Does she come sit with you between rounds and whathave you all these things are indicators of how she feels.

I got a similar situation. This chick the first time she kissed me on the lips she immediately snapped her head back and apologized and explained why she did and how embarassed she was. I'm in Houston so the level of SS here is.... unique, but this chick is my special thing and I'm gonna enjoy it as long as I can. My suggestion would be to do the same thing, you never know something might work out and if not at least your having a blast. Don't look at this girl and judge her by others opinions and thoughts, because your girl is an individual and the only one that can honestly speak on her behalf is her.

BTW keep updating on the situation. I know I'm not the only nosy muthafucka on here. Oh, oh, might I suggest posting a TR on the blue side.

liberator
05-03-2007, 06:41 PM
It's really a freedom of choice issue. If a dancer wants to kiss a customer it's their business. If a dancer doesn't it is also her business. Let freedom of choice reigneth! BTW I love Neitzsche also. Thus Spoke Zarathustra!

Casual Observer
05-03-2007, 06:43 PM
GF kissing in incredibly common with regulars; DFK is not too far behind.

I'll go with Ww and say that common is probably more accurate, but lest we get caught up in hair-splitting, we can leave it at DFK is common.


I mean I just don't see what would motivate any dancer that does do this semi-regularly to say "me me me, I do it a lot".

Indeed--it's not much different than the extras issue here on Pink. Over on Blue...that tends to be a different story sometimes.

FBR
05-03-2007, 07:33 PM
DFK is deep french kissing and I believe gf would be like kiss on the ips..

gf or gfe is code for girl friend experience. Which encompasses...well..simulated girl friend stuff. If this not in the wiki, it should be.

FBR

Cally
05-03-2007, 07:34 PM
gf or gfe is code for girl friend experience. Which encompasses...well..simulated girl friend stuff. If this not in the wiki, it should be.

FBR

Yea I knew GFE was girlfriend experience but when it came to kissing I figured DFK would be like GFE so I was tryin to figure out how they would be different kisses lol...

jaizaine
05-03-2007, 07:37 PM
It's really a freedom of choice issue. If a dancer wants to kiss a customer it's their business. If a dancer doesn't it is also her business. Let freedom of choice reigneth! BTW I love Neitzsche also. Thus Spoke Zarathustra!

Actually no it's not. It is against the law in many areas. In my state it would be considered an act of prostitution and certainly would get me fired. No guy (even if the urge somehow came to me) is worth having a record as a prostitute for.

FBR
05-03-2007, 07:44 PM
Yea I knew GFE was girlfriend experience but when it came to kissing I figured DFK would be like GFE so I was tryin to figure out how they would be different kisses lol...

LOL Sorry. Point taken. I thought maybe you hadn't run across the expression. And I agree that DFK pretty much makes gfe debate a non issue :O :P

FBR

Cally
05-03-2007, 08:46 PM
Ahaha... well I am on an escort review forum... dont ask lmao...

Vinnie
05-03-2007, 08:52 PM
I'm sorry I think I read most of the posts so if I missed something... oh well. Was there tongue involved? How did she look at you after kissing you? Obviously you don't gotta answer, but I'm feeling nosy. Anyways, your relationship with this chick is evolving, she didn't kiss you on your first visit and she seems to enjoy the time she spends with you.

You gotta keep in mind that even though it's a job, your ATF is still a person and will develop chemistry, feelings and thoughts on you. If you wanna know about how she feels about you you just gotta observe her closely. (Not stalker closely.) I mean does her face light up when she sees you. Does she come sit with you between rounds and whathave you all these things are indicators of how she feels.

I got a similar situation. This chick the first time she kissed me on the lips she immediately snapped her head back and apologized and explained why she did and how embarassed she was. I'm in Houston so the level of SS here is.... unique, but this chick is my special thing and I'm gonna enjoy it as long as I can. My suggestion would be to do the same thing, you never know something might work out and if not at least your having a blast. Don't look at this girl and judge her by others opinions and thoughts, because your girl is an individual and the only one that can honestly speak on her behalf is her.

BTW keep updating on the situation. I know I'm not the only nosy muthafucka on here. Oh, oh, might I suggest posting a TR on the blue side.

First, I want to thank you for the nice post and the interest.

Anyways, it wasn't just the kiss that got me thinking. The kiss, btw, was only a peck on the lips (no tongue) and then she looked into my eyes and smiled, but I'll start from the beginning.

Before we went to private, I bought her a drink (she asked me too) and we sat for a couple songs talking. We talked about personal stuff, such as where our parents were from (I'm asian so that was an easy topic), kids, family. She also started talking about her cooking (as a result of where her parents were from) and she pretty much invited me over to taste some of her cooking. She also said stuff like how her last BF was asian, how she likes asian men, and how gorgeous I was and how she couldn't believe I was single which all seemed like an obvious invitation to ask her out (she said these things more than once, but I'm not really sure if I bought it).

After we finished our drinks, I got a dance from her and thats when the infamous kiss happened. After the dance, she had to go get ready for a stage show and I didnt see much of her after that since she's so gorgeous and guys were buying dances from her left and right.

On my way out, I went to say good night as she was finishing up a stage show and said "So when are you gonna cook for me?" and she gave me a kiss on the forehead and said, "I'll give you my number the next time you come in"

Basically some of the stuff she said/did seemed a little flakey, but some of it seemed pretty real. If it's all fake, then damn, she's good or I'm just a newbie.

jaizaine
05-03-2007, 10:06 PM
and she gave me a kiss on the forehead and said, "I'll give you my number the next time you come in"


sorry but thats classic SS.

All Good Things
05-04-2007, 12:19 AM
Okay... I don't know what to say about this, except... no it's not.

Oh yes it is!

I don't think it's particularly useful to get into a silly competition on this (such as, "I've been in far more clubs over a broader geographic area than you've ever worked in, so mine is a more legitimate sample") but I have to tell you that in my experience, DFK and GF kissing is extremely common. You can find enough validation from the other customers on the site. And it's often NOT in the dive clubs. You know my preferences to find the highest-end clubs I can and I could get into very specific examples in clubs in DC, Baltimore, NYC, Seattle, Vegas, Phoenix, NOLA and on and on. It's pretty consistent across the board. Seriously. A few years ago, I had this little young dancer in Seattle who I thought was simply never going to let go of my tongue, which is a real problem if you are a professional linguist.

I thought you had a particularly touching explanation that the reason I have had this experience was that I spend so much and the dancers are trying to “keep up.” I’m the first to insist that it’s all about the money, but honestly, I rarely, if ever, see them DFK-ing some dinosaur or physically repulsive guy.

Yeah, I know the kissing objections; gross, yuck, never-known-where-that's-been.

I usually avoid contributing to the "sex in VIP" threads (even though we all know it happens) or the extras threads (happens even more often) or even the OTC threads, but for some reason I'm taking a stand on the kissing issue. It happens more than you think.

And on the scale of things that really go on in SCs, I'm not at all sure that it's the end of modern civilization.

Cally
05-04-2007, 01:09 AM
DFK/GF kissing is not common up here TOO.. trust me i've worked in about every city in Canada... i've worked in a good hundred or so clubs now and its just not common. Now I am not denying it happens.. I have seen it, but its not a regular thing. I think I see more H/J B/J and F/S then I see DFK/GF...

Im not saying your lying... im just speaking from where Jenny stands because I know where shes coming from.

SportsWriter2
05-04-2007, 01:10 AM
Yea I knew GFE was girlfriend experience but when it came to kissing I figured DFK would be like GFE so I was tryin to figure out how they would be different kisses lol...

GFE has lots of different kisses. Here's a sample in context:

on the eyelids: "Close your eyes, I have a surprise for you." [sweet]
half on the lips: "I can't really kiss you; I have a boyfriend."

quick on the lips: "I don't want to get caught. It's a $200 fine."
slow on the lips: "I want everyone to see us, specially the perverts who think I'll kiss them for money." [also territorial marking]

DFK: "I would never do this with anyone else."
while biting my lip: "I wanna do it again."
randomly all over: "I love you[r money] so much." [yes, it is possible for a dancer to love one customer's money more than another's]

They're all top 10 percent dancers, 18-26, in mid-range clubs. I think the increased privacy in club booths makes it more common now, especially with younger dancers.

On the other hand, some dancers I like don't kiss at all, as in "I can't get off with anyone who loves me. Why is that?" :-\

Cally
05-04-2007, 01:18 AM
slow on the lips: "I want everyone to see us, specially the perverts who think I'll kiss them for money." [also territorial marking]




LMAO Im sorry I cant stop laughing at this :rotfl:

Madcap
05-04-2007, 01:23 AM
sorry but thats classic SS.


I know, i laughed at that one myself.

SportsWriter2
05-04-2007, 01:33 AM
LMAO Im sorry I cant stop laughing at this :rotfl:

[also advertising to the guy she wants next] But hey, I go early. :)

Wwanderer
05-04-2007, 05:50 AM
DFK/GF kissing is not common up here TOO.. trust me...

Somehow I am reminded of this semi-famous scene from the old Woody Allen movie, ANNIE HALL:

[Alvy and Annie are seeing their therapists at the same time on a split screen]
Alvy Singer's Therapist: How often do you sleep together?
Annie Hall's Therapist: Do you have sex often?
Alvy Singer: [lamenting] Hardly ever. Maybe three times a week.
Annie Hall: [annoyed] Constantly. I'd say three times a week.

For those who have not seen it, 1) you most definitely should (hilarious), and 2) the movie is about a relationship between Allen's character, Alvy Singer, and the title character played by Diane Keaton. You can find more quotes here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075686/quotes

and probably scenes on YouTube etc.

-Ww

Jenny
05-04-2007, 06:20 AM
DFK/GF kissing is not common up here TOO.. trust me i've worked in about every city in Canada... i've worked in a good hundred or so clubs now and its just not common. Now I am not denying it happens.. I have seen it, but its not a regular thing. I think I see more H/J B/J and F/S then I see DFK/GF...

Im not saying your lying... im just speaking from where Jenny stands because I know where shes coming from.
I'm not saying he's lying either. I'm saying that his fairly legendary spending is probably related to it, and that girls may do it because they feel pressure, real or imagined, either from him or from other girls in the club.

In any event, I think I shall continue to trust my own experience and that of the vast majority of my colleagues on this issue. I mean, TOO - you must realize that if you spend the way you say you do, girls are going to feel pressure, either real or imagined either from you or from other girl's (hence the keeping up).

Finally - I'm pretty sure that it is uncommon, because (as Cally knows) I am not a contact princess. I work to the line. If it were common, I'd be doing it.

xdamage
05-04-2007, 06:21 AM
On my way out, I went to say good night as she was finishing up a stage show and said "So when are you gonna cook for me?" and she gave me a kiss on the forehead and said, "I'll give you my number the next time you come in"

Basically some of the stuff she said/did seemed a little flakey, but some of it seemed pretty real. If it's all fake, then damn, she's good or I'm just a newbie.

Like jaizaine wrote, that's just good old everyday SS.

But let me qualify that slightly. There is a certain grey area. You may be treated better if you are clean, groomed, pleasant, attractive, etc., then if you are creepy, stinky, a mess, etc. But only to a degree, and even then it's just business for her. Kissing a customer on the forehead, or implying that she might let you do something non-business related for her (in this case, cook for her) is just pure SS. Telling you that she will give you her phone # next time you come in, think about it... First she has you thinking about coming back and spending more on her. Second she did it by leaving you feel special, like you're going to get her phone #, something which would connect you to her outside the club. Third, and the best part for her is that soon you're going to have her business phone # so that you'll be able to more efficiently arrange to spend money on her. It's the art of SS and it sounds like she knows what she is doing. Remember Vinnie, we are all newbs by comparison with the dancers. She practices these techniques 8hrs a day, 5+ days a week. You are in her element, and she knows it far better then you do.

Vinnie
05-04-2007, 06:28 AM
Seems pretty obvious to me now, just needed someone to tell me.

jaizaine
05-04-2007, 06:35 AM
dont feel bad. from your original post i got a diff idea but then when u mentioned the "i'll give u my number next time" that just gave her game away.

she wants u to come back to spend money on her.

Wwanderer
05-04-2007, 06:36 AM
One point re SC kissing - it is MUCH easier for the dancer (and her customer) to hide than extras like HJs, BJs, allowing customers extensive touching or even intense grinding. Kissing can happen relatively quickly and in a way that doesn't much change anyone's body positions or posture, etc. In other words, if you have observed the same number of kisses as, say, HJs in a given SC club, it probably means that the kissing in MUCH more common.

-Ww

jaizaine
05-04-2007, 06:38 AM
^^^
a customer told me that one of the dancers kissed him and i called bullshit on it and then he explained that she leant over him so that her hair was all in his face and pashed him. i thought about it and it would be hard for anyone else to see that.

xdamage
05-04-2007, 07:02 AM
Seems pretty obvious to me now, just needed someone to tell me.

BTW, there is a customer oriented site that is also owned by the same people, http://www.stripclubjunkie.com that focuses more on the customer experience (where this site is, I think, more of a dancer support site). I'd say almost every (if not every) customer that posts there will tell you that they at one time or another have confused SS with reality, or at the very least, would rather believe it :)

Wwanderer
05-04-2007, 07:27 AM
^^^
a customer told me that one of the dancers kissed him and i called bullshit on it and then he explained that she leant over him so that her hair was all in his face and pashed him. i thought about it and it would be hard for anyone else to see that.

Yep, that is exactly the sort of thing I meant. Not that it is always hidden, I have seen (and experienced) SC kissing out in the open for all to see, but I suspect that a dancer could do it quite often without anyone (except her customers) finding out, especially a dancer with long hanging hair.

-Ww

Wwanderer
05-04-2007, 07:44 AM
BTW, there is a customer oriented site that is also owned by the same people, http://www.stripclubjunkie.com that focuses more on the customer experience (where this site is, I think, more of a dancer support site).

It is not just another site; it exists in a whole parallel universe, as you can easily see for yourself by comparing the dancer behavior described by customers there to that reported by dancers here. SCs are completely different in these two alternate realities. ;)

-Ww

xdamage
05-04-2007, 09:01 AM
It is not just another site; it exists in a whole parallel universe, as you can easily see for yourself by comparing the dancer behavior described by customers there to that reported by dancers here. SCs are completely different in these two alternate realities. ;)

-Ww

LOL. Well, the OP may find that questions like these are better asked over there, or at least interesting to ask over there because as you noted, customer observations and dancer observations don't always coincide. Still, I don't think there is any big mystery. Customers are bit more likely to brag about activities above and beyond what is legal/normal because it strokes our egos to think of ourselves as exceptionally suave ;) OTOH, like I said, I can't imagine what would motivate a dancer on this support site to want to acknowledge such things even if she was doing it. What would be the point? She'd just get raked over the coals for making it harder for the girls who stick within the limits of the law. I do think it's interesting though that several dancers have said there was been the occasional exception, but yea, as a customer I can't remember a visit to a Vegas club when a t least one dancer hasn't tried to use lip to lip kissing to keep the money flowing. /shrug, still I wouldn't expect her to brag about it, or even want to discuss it with anyone else. For all I know it leaves her feeling like puking and it's just something she does to make ends meet.

Wwanderer
05-04-2007, 09:43 AM
Customers are bit more likely to brag about activities above and beyond what is legal/normal because it strokes our egos to think of ourselves as exceptionally suave ;) OTOH, like I said, I can't imagine what would motivate a dancer on this support site to want to acknowledge such things even if she was doing it. What would be the point? She'd just get raked over the coals for making it harder for the girls who stick within the limits of the law. ... I can't remember a visit to a Vegas club when a t least one dancer hasn't tried to use lip to lip kissing to keep the money flowing. /shrug, still I wouldn't expect her to brag about it, or even want to discuss it with anyone else. For all I know it leaves her feeling like puking and it's just something she does to make ends meet.

Although I wasn't being particularly serious in my comments about the alternate realities of the pink and blue sides, I do seriously agree with all the points you make in the post above, both re customer exaggerations (perhaps including distorted memories in our own minds) and re dancer the self-censorship and spin (again perhaps including distorted memories in their own minds).

The one point I would add to your analysis is that it would not be in a dancer's interest to post about kissing (or other permissive behaviors) even if 1) she was totally comfortable with it herself and even proud of its effectiveness and 2) she didn't care at all about being criticized by other dancers (here or in her club). The reason is simple. The better known it is that kissing (or other permissive behavior) is common, the less effective it is as SS, as a way of making her customers feel special and of encouraging them to become her regulars.

-Ww

liberator
05-04-2007, 09:46 AM
A moist kiss on the lips is an icebreaker if You think about it.

liberator
05-04-2007, 09:52 AM
How could kissing a customer be against the law much less considered an act of prostitution? For prostitution to occur penetration must occur. Kissing or Lap Dancing for that matter does not equate to prostitution. I can't imagine any judge that would allow a charge of prostitution to stand based solely on a kiss between a dancer and a patron. BTW prostitution should be legalized as it is a consensual act between adults which doesn't deprive anybody of life,liberty,or property thru force or fraud.